Dave's Picks Vol. 40: Deer Creek Music Center, Noblesville, IN 7/18/90 & 7/19/90

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18,000 happy Dead Heads could not be wrong. Deer Creek, my how you deliver.

We're closing the books on DAVE'S PICKS 2021 with not one but two - nearly - complete shows from Noblesville, IN 7/18/90 & 7/19/90. Yes, we've packed it all on four CDs, save for that second night encore which we promise you'll get to hear in the very near future. Sometimes there really is just too much good stuff.

For now, we'll invite you to cozy up with two exceptional back-to-back shows, shows with precision and clarity, shows with more than a lion's share of exploratory jams, and most importantly, shows that were simply a damn good time for all. Highlights from night one include the bookends of a spectacular "Help>Slip!>Franklin's" and an epically intricate "Morning Dew" followed by a classic cover of "The Weight." Night two, is the sleeper hit, with flawless playing from start to finish, the set list inviting you to find new favorites in top-notch renditions of "Foolish Heart" or "Victim Or The Crime," and if that's not one of the finest versions of "Desolation Row" Bobby ever did do! We would be remiss if we didn't mention that these shows were among Brent's last and they are some of his finest of the era at that.

Limited to 25,000 numbered copies, DAVE’S PICKS VOL. 40: DEER CREEK MUSIC CENTER, NOBLESVILLE, IN 7/18 & 19/90 was recorded by Dan Healy and has been mastered to HDCD specs by Jeffrey Norman.

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November 16, 2021 - 12:16pm

#581

bigbrownie

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First, Last, Loudest

First live show: The Sound of Music at the Lunt-Fontaine in NYC, probably 1963, with my parents.

First rock show: Allman Bros. at Roosevelt Stadium in Joisy City, 6-6-74. Dad took us.

First unsupervised trip to NYC for a show: Frank Zappa at the Felt Forum, Halloween (early show), 11-31-75.
Little did the folks know that they were releasing the beast. Oh, yeah.

Loudest: A tossup between Aerosmith, 12-16-76 at MSG (and I saw pretty much every big-name act at the Garden between late '75 and Aug. '77), and The Who, 10-6-16, at the Santa Barbara Bowl (5th row left, in front of the PA).

Last show before Covid: Ricky Skaggs, 3-9-20

First show after "back to normal": Pat Metheny, 9-29-21

Most recent should-have-been: Dave Grisman (cancelled), 11-11-21

Most recent: the Immediate Family, 11-6-21

Next up: Bela Fleck, 12-15-21.

Who do I look like? I have been told that am Roy Buchanan's doppelganger, but to me I just look like sad, old Chevy Chase.
November 16, 2021 - 10:11am

#582

hendrixfreak

Joined:
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Vguy, our resident evil genius!

I always have to think before I get your jokes. I "think" that's a good thing.

Unless getting your jokes means that I've slipped in a permanent way.

I fear it's the latter.
November 16, 2021 - 9:53am

#583

Vguy72

Joined:
June 29, 2007

My wife has been missing for over a week....

....the police said to be prepared for the worst. So I had to go to Goodwill to get all her clothes back.
November 16, 2021 - 9:26am

#584

Crow Told Me

Joined:
October 15, 2020

I Wish that I Knew What I Know Now

The Faces in October 1973. I still think they were one of the all-time great bands, and it still kind pisses me off that Rod Stewart decided he’d rather go make disco records with a bunch of studio hacks rather than rock with Ronnies Wood and Lane, not to mention Kenny Jones and Ian Maclagan. What a band. The coulda shoulda woulda given the Stones a run for their money.

Loudest was probably Meat Puppets circa 1994. This was in a small-ish club, and I think at that time they were touring as an opening act for Stone Temple Pilots, so their equipment was probably waaaay too loud for the room. It’s the only show I can ever remember where it was so painfully loud that I had to go outside and a take break mid-show. Couldn’t hear shit for days.

I think the last thing I saw before everything shut down was Titus Andronicus. Seems like a million years ago.

Poor young grandson, there’s nothing I can say, you’ll have to learn just like me, and that’s the hardest way.
November 16, 2021 - 9:23am

#585

Dennis

Joined:
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Loudest?

What?
November 16, 2021 - 9:15am

#586

Oroborous

Joined:
June 19, 2007

Nappy, last, and loudest

First, happy, happy, joy, joy to good ole Nappy! Many more good sir!
Hellava start: Airplane/Dead in 67, boo-yah!

LAST: Gary Clark jr. Fall 2019, Nat Rateliff and the Nightsweats fall 2019, D&C Boulder summer 2019.
Had tix for D&C 2920, and Phil fall 2021 but didn’t feel comfortable yet so got refund.
Still waiting to for that cup to be filled…

LOUDEST: LOL. Some of the bands I played in were pretty loud, not good, but loud!
Gray Matter we basically had late 70s Dead stage gear only in little hole in the wall dives. We played a battle of the bands once and first song was Deal. Just as were peaking out on it we blow the power. Now this is at a R&R club that hosted many acts including the popular well known but now lesser drawing kind of acts. So the infrastructure was much more than a typical bar. But with all those MC2300s and a big PA when we hit that big crescendo on the outro, complete with bass bomb, we’ll boom boom out went the lights. Sound guy was flummoxed “do you really need all those amps” LOL.

Working for some pretty loud hard rock bands too. Eventually we realized that we should ware protection so got some Norton Sonic 2s: sonic filters that protect but still let you actually hear the music. They were a little bass heavy though so we modified them by sticking a booger sized piece of duct tape in the opening. Much more even frequency response which is crucial if your mixing, especially monitors where you need to hear harmonics and other tells BEFORE things start to feedback. Great product, wish I still had them though I’m not in loud situations much anymore.
90-95 dB peaks on the home system is plenty loud for this old timer. BITD that would of been more like 100 dB plus lol. But hey, it was good clean Mac power!

The Who 12/4/79 was way too loud. They were I believe using a Meyers PA even before the Dead did full time, but they weren’t using it properly: way too shrill!
Over the years many situations that made it loud, but my all time most notable was the Dead on 5/17/81, smoking show! I ride a bus myself, scored a ticket at the last minute, walked in, never looked at my ticket, just saw an opening in the third row, boom.
Well they were still using Clair Brothers PA with the big square boxes, but they were stacked on the ground, not hung. So my seat was way left near the end of the row, which was just mere feet away from the PA. Also, JG was trying out the new McIntosh MC 2500 that was replacing the 2300s. (Probably since Binghamton was very near)
He didn’t use them very long so I’m wondering if they were too much for his needs? He stuck with the 2300s decades after they stopped making them.
Man was he screaming loud that night, you can really tell on a good Aud tape. So combine that with my proximity to the PA and, well, I’m lucky I didn’t do permanent damage as my ears rang for several days afterward. The worst part was I had my first collage final the next day and couldn’t hear the Proff give the directions at all, just ringing!
I think it’s a testament to clean loud versus dirty loud. Your ears can tolerate clean loud easier than all that distortion cranked to 11. But they’ll also get damaged without you necessarily knowing it right away due to lack of pain from the distortion. A quieter distorted sound while damage your ears way quicker than a louder clean one!

Not sure about loudest but worst was the Stones at a stadium show late 70s, perhaps early 80s?
As was often the case with the big stadium shows back then, after the first 3 to five acts, and after the headliner had started you could just walk in. But it was so loud and terrible sounding we left even though it was free! You could hardly tell what song they were playing. Always left a bad vibe for me about the Stones: just another way they (to me) were sell outs. High ticket prices but shitty sound, very opposite the Dead!
November 16, 2021 - 8:40am

#587

hendrixfreak

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If perception is reality, we're all in a lot of trouble!

But please, populate your nightmares with an image of HF as Yosemite Sam..... har har har!

GarciaLive 17 just landed and it looks tasty. I caught that band at Seton Hall University in South Orange, NJ, on 17 Sept '76 and man, everyone in the hall was blasted on blow that night. Or at least it seemed that way to the white-wallers I went with. The floor was open and absolutely everyone was twirling (or swirling, in our case). The band seemed to be tooting as well and the "songs" were 10-15 minute excursions apiece. All just minutes from my childhood home... And we'd seen 3-4 GD shows that June in Boston and the Capitol in lovely Passaic, NJ.

Yours truly, YS
November 16, 2021 - 8:18am

#588

Forensicdoceleven

Joined:
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Yes, I'm quirky, loud and crazy........

Yo!! Rockers!!!

Loudest ever? The Who, old Boston Garden, April 1 1976, twenty rows back dead center. Overpowering and oh so awesome!! Pink Floyd March 14, 1973,old Boston Music Hall, close second...........

What do I look like? LOL picture a cross between Clark Kent and Timothy Leary..................

Rock on!!

Doc
Musicians want to be the loud voice for so many quiet hearts.....
November 16, 2021 - 8:17am

#589

Deadheadbrewer

Joined:
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First, Latest, Loudest

The aforementioned Culture Club in 1983 was my first. I lived a few hours from the Twin Cities, so I missed a lot of shows I would have loved to have seen. I was 13 at that show, and my friend's older sister drove us to the show. I can't believe my parents allowed it; they were pretty strict.

Latest--I have seen some great string quartets lately, and went to Adam Meckler Orchestra (groovy big band) recently. Those shows were all outdoors or required proof of vaccination and masks. Things are going badly here in MN right now, as far as Covid goes, so I've skipped a few shows recently. And I just can't bring myself to pay more than about $30/ticket anymore, when so much amazing classical and jazz is inexpensive or free, and at those shows one can sit in a beautiful 300-person (or less) theater with no lines for anything. Other than Dark Star, I think my live rock-n-roll days are behind me, and I'm only 51!

Loudest--everything at First Ave. is TOOOO loud, so I've walked out of shows there. I left a Living Colour concert there once when I couldn't discern any notes or lyrics . . . just a painful smoosh of noise. I think I left a Blues Traveler show there once . . . And my wife and I walked out of Yonder Mt. String Band at First Ave.; somehow they couldn't even leave the volume down for acoustic music. :( My friend used to practically LIVE at First Ave. back in the day, and now he's been battling tinnitus for years.
November 16, 2021 - 8:08am

#590

1stshow70878

Joined:
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Loudest?

Too many to remember but I do remember physical pain to the point where I was using my taller friend as a shield and even squatting down a couple of times when it got intense. Couldn't even find a tissue or something to plug my ears. Good thing it was an open air show!
You guessed it GD 7-08-78. You can hear one of those moments during Ship of Fools. Jerry scorched me! But that can happen when you play with fire. No regrets and no permanent damage and only now losing some hearing on one side.
My first tape of this show taken from the Italian bootleg CD has a better take on this than the box set CD. You can really hear the amps buzzing loudly before the start of the second set. That CD came out in '95-'96 on Red Robin (?) so was that some of the Betty's from ABCD leaking out? Inquiring minds want to know. Thanks
Cheers all!

John Perry Barlow

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18,000 happy Dead Heads could not be wrong. Deer Creek, my how you deliver.

We're closing the books on DAVE'S PICKS 2021 with not one but two - nearly - complete shows from Noblesville, IN 7/18/90 & 7/19/90. Yes, we've packed it all on four CDs, save for that second night encore which we promise you'll get to hear in the very near future. Sometimes there really is just too much good stuff.

For now, we'll invite you to cozy up with two exceptional back-to-back shows, shows with precision and clarity, shows with more than a lion's share of exploratory jams, and most importantly, shows that were simply a damn good time for all. Highlights from night one include the bookends of a spectacular "Help>Slip!>Franklin's" and an epically intricate "Morning Dew" followed by a classic cover of "The Weight." Night two, is the sleeper hit, with flawless playing from start to finish, the set list inviting you to find new favorites in top-notch renditions of "Foolish Heart" or "Victim Or The Crime," and if that's not one of the finest versions of "Desolation Row" Bobby ever did do! We would be remiss if we didn't mention that these shows were among Brent's last and they are some of his finest of the era at that.

Limited to 25,000 numbered copies, DAVE’S PICKS VOL. 40: DEER CREEK MUSIC CENTER, NOBLESVILLE, IN 7/18 & 19/90 was recorded by Dan Healy and has been mastered to HDCD specs by Jeffrey Norman.

Ah Stoltzie

4/24/72 RTR - the release that turned me into a casual Dead listener. Sugar Magnolia came on in the smoky basement of a home poker game shortly after it came out. I looked at the guy whose house we were at and said in a British accent "what's this mate?" And the rest was history. Still think it's the best version, but you know, you never forget your first Sugar Magnolia.

I'm with you on the 8/1/73, 6/10/73, and 11/19/72. I would add Chicago 7/25/74 to that list. Really want that last '74 Dark Star with the early Slipknot! after it.

Would still very much like the Boston Tea Party shows from the end of 1969 into New Year's. It's unreal how long a Dave's Pick 1969 drought it's been. Back to back Bonus Disc releases with 6 & 10, and then crickets for 8 years.

A few thoughts

7 25 74 yes KF agreed

Glad to have 2 23 74 coming our way

69 shows YES weeee neeeed moooore, Dave

Yesterday of all days

I drive home from Oregon in glorious GD goodness

Pick up son and his GF from airport on the way

Get to my house

Stove/oven and an electrical outlet not functioning

WTF

yin yang

For those with short memories

Trump was the one throwing millions at the drug companies in the2020with the instructions to get a vaccine now! What were the Dems doing? Saying it will never work, it will take 5 years blah blah. Harris claimed she would mess it up. Wtf he wasn’t developing it By the way I’m not anything close to a Trump supporter, as a matter of fact I resigned from the Republican Party in June 16 of 2016 when they nominated him. How many here left the Dems when they nominated a self entitled criminal in ‘16 or a clearly deficient old man in 2020. No just interested in historical accuracy

Best to all

Hi all, I just wanted to wish all you grate people on this forum the best of christmases, restful holidays, and a wonderful, safe and healthy new year!

I've said this before, but it bears repeating: I really enjoy the conversations here, I learn a lot about other music to check out, and I feel like this is a place where there is interesting, informed conversation about the best band in the world, and my favorite band. Thanks, all!

Snafu got into the brown acid

FDT

Meanwhile...

The gorillas at the zoo are cool

Canned heat

Try 1971 'whiskey and wimmen' with john lee hooker on harp and vocals. Happy holidays guys.

Alan Wilson…

On harp. JLH didn’t play harp and you can hear him in amazement as to how the Blind Owl can keep up

Snafu

I meant harmonica.

Christmas is the day that holds all time together.........

Yo! Rockers!!!!

Christmas is the spirit of giving without a thought of getting. So if anybody out there needs some 1971 Christmas joy in their stocking, you know where to find me! The excellence of a gift lies in its appropriateness rather than in its value........

Christmas to a child is the first terrible proof that to travel hopefully is better than to arrive.........

Happy and safe holidays to all, and rock on!!

Doc
Christmas is a season for kindling the fire for hospitality in the hall, the genial flame of charity in the heart......

Hooker 'N' Heat

That's an amazing album. Not very seasonal - but that version of "Burning Hell" is corrosive. John Lee talks about Pigpen inbetween songs, too-dissing his cooking. I presume that's the same Pigpen.

its Christmas

and I'm sure no one here wants to hear the ravings of a trumpian, so let's all be thankful that the orange loser is not in power anymore and be done with it.
The best xmas present ever, trump in jail.

Daverock

You are correct, sir. Canned/Hooker combination is sweet as honey. Hooker adds that voice that you can't find anymore. Legendary. It is going to be a long, long road to 74' winterland, and Baltimore. If you signed up for the early pigeon subscription, it is even that much better.

Dick's Picks Vinyl Question

Ok, everyone gave me enough amazon gift cards I was able to buy a copy of DP36 in vinyl. (missed it by this much when it came out!!) Just for argument sake it was 350 (new/unopened)

My question is how many of the dicks have been put out in vinyl? I have 8, 26, 19 and now 36. Am I missing any?

Hope everyone had a super Christmas and Santa left you everything you ever wanted!

Dennis: Dick's Picks Vinyl Question

I believe DP 1 though 5 have been reissued on vinyl.

Dicks Picks on vinyl

Dennis - I think 24 came out too-3/23/74. I am not 100% sure - I didn't get it. There was one from 1974 that I dithered about...and while I was trying to make my mind up, it disappeared off Amazon. Whichever 1974 show it was - the last time I saw it was on Discogs...for hundreds of pounds

Two cool shows ten years apart.

12/26/69 and 12/26/79

12-26-70...we were

At the El Monte Legion Stadium (of Frank Zappa fame) for the start of a three day run...one of those night's had an "Easy Wind" that was so good and powerful I thought the back wall of the arena was going to blow out...

12-26-79 DP 5

With the "Uncle John's" 2nd set sandwich is another fine listen for today...

El Monte December 1970

Now therez a box opportunity

Real Gone Dicks

DiP 19 recently came out on on vinyl Real Gone, and I grabbed me one. I think I kind of panicked.

Last year Real Gone put DiP 36, which is one of my 3-4 most favorite of the whole series, but money was tight, and I hesitated and it sold out and then I regretted it. So when they announced they were doing 19 I ordered it immediately, even though to me it's only a very good and maybe not great show. But I'm still glad to have it. Not sure how many others they've done on vinyl but they've done quite a number DiPs and Road Trips on seedy. It's worth it to subscribe to their email newsletter if you're looking for that stuff.

Just btw, I received a vinyl copy of the Goat Head Soup reissue for Xmas, and I'm enjoying it more than expected. I really only wanted it to get the 'Brussels Affair' live set, which is some of very best live Stones on record IMO, but the studio album is better than I remember. Lots of songs I'd forgotten all about (Winter, Silver Train, Hide Your Love) are actually really good. Also never noticed what a major contributor Bill Wyman was on that record: very melodic, tasty bass lines throughout. I'll say it again: to me, the Stones haven't sounded like the Stones since he retired. And of course the Brussel stuff is amazing.

Speaking of Real Gone Dicks: One thing thing that I'm pretty sure was just exactly as bad as I remember is 2020. I refuse to rise to the bait and try to list all the ways that **** failed to address the public health crisis that was killing thousands of Americans per day for months at a time. (Who has the time?) I'll just say this: if you're going say in the middle of a crisis "I take no responsibility," then you don't get to come back later and say "I want to take credit."

Giving 9 8 73 another try

No complaints

But

"Official release" worthy? Dick was keen on 9 8 73?

Ooooodd

Luckily we got the St. Louis box

12/26,27,28/70 Legion Stadium

Nappy, cool show, I've never heard these before. P.F., yeah these would make a great box set.

Crow

Thanks for finding the words. In it for a penny, in it for a pound.

Goats Head Soup

Check the liner notes on Goats Head. There ain't a Stones album from the Bill
Wyman era where he contributes less. Keith & Mick Taylor played bass on many
of the tracks. Apparently Wyman either wasn't invited those particular days or was
out sailing on his yacht ... An underrated effort by the Rolling Stones - last good
lp from the MIck Taylor era. Brussels is the live gold standard for the that line-up!

It’s Christmas

Not interested in the raving of haters on either side Trump or Biden/ Clinton

well said Crow

I love how you x'ed out its name lol.

Anniversary shows 12/27/79, 80, 81, 82,83

Big fun at the Oakland Auditorium and the S.F. Civic.

The Stones vs Mighty Baby

It;s a great album, Goats Head Soup - maybe not as funky as Exile, but the actual songs may be better in some respects. And The Brussels Affair is my favourite live album of theirs.

It's a pity Stones box sets always cost so much ( Black Sabbath's are even worse) When you compare the cost of a Stones box to the cost of, say, the 6 cd Mighty Baby retrospective, the latter works out about three times cheaper. And if you were to ask me which I played the most, the answer would be....The Mighty Baby.

Great Dead shows at Oakland December 1979. 12/26 and 12/28 are anyway. The 26th features maybe my favourite jam of theirs with Brent at the wheel.

The Stones Vs Mighty Baby

No contest. In my house Mighty Baby wins hands down. That's like Max Bygraves Vs Tom Jones.

Every so often...

I listen to So Many Roads release from...a while ago

I really like it

I would love another one like it

There must be a bunch of great music in shows that can't be released as full shows for whatever reasons

I'd buy it

Got a joke for ya

I AM AT AN AIRPORT!

Punch line....

....dealing with the airports these days.

So. Many. People.

Sooooo many.....people

And

OUR FLIGHT GOT CANCELLED.

HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!

Punch an airline in the nose today, kids!

Anniversary show 12/28/79

42 years ago today , I was at the Oakland Auditorium for a killer show with the good ole Grateful Dead, what a blast!

Major jeally btk

I have good memories of that show on cassette.

Been a Long Time

Listened to 12/29/77 DP 10 all the way through for the first time in ages . That is some quality Wolf era '77. Terrapin Station really rocks on this one.

The Brussels Affair is great. Ladies and Gentlemen...The Rolling Stones is also an outstanding must have from the Exile Tour the previous year (best of 4 shows) released as a movie. There are a few different songs and a few better performances (check out Happy, Tumbling Dice, Bitch, Love in Vain, Sweet Virginia, and Dead Flowers on L&G). The Blu-ray sounds much better than the CD because it 's in 5.1 Surround Sound. I think Keith's vocals are bit better on L&G as well. The Brussels Affair on the other hand has a Midnight Rambler and Can't Always What You Want that may be the live GOATs; then there's Dancin' with Mr. D and Heartbreaker live, which I find more raw and exciting than the studio versions. I'm going back to back on these now....

Re: Major Jello

Agree.. what a run. I have fond memories of this show on CD.

Jug of Love

I went back to that Mighty Baby box set, and it really is superb. I can't think of any other British band that could jam as freely as this, without reverting to blues rock. If, having already got the signature albums, you passed this by, Simon, I highly recommend it. Great to hear so much of that Glastonbury set from 1971 that was featured on one side of that album all those years ago. Its not Daves Pick standard sound wise, but its infintley better than that side on the Glastonbury L.P.
I never saw them live - but I did see guitarist Martin Stone during his brief time with the Pink Fairies. It was 1976. I was 19. I don't remember a darned thing about it.

Dead of the day -3/17/68 from 30 Trips. Grrreat. Lovelight, when it still sounded fresh, kicks things off in fine style. I've only played the first two songs, so the best is yet to come.

Anniversary show 12/28/83 S.F. Civic

38 years ago today, I was at the S.F Civic for a knockout show with the Dead. I put this show on my top 10 list of Grateful Dead shows I've attended. December, what a great month for Grateful Dead shows, I think they could put out a box set of December Grateful Dead year end shows : 12/68, 12/69,12/70, 12/71, 12/72, 12/77, and on and on.

McDonald and Giles

ring any bells?

"sunbells rain down in a liquid profusion"

BTK should be a vault release consultant

gotta check out that 12/28/83 sometime

R.I.P. John Madden

A Bay Area Legend, I was a huge fan of the Oakland Raiders back in the 1960s.

Last 4, all today

8-23-68 153116.8trackmix.gems (playing now, on Caution)
12-28-91 UM.144626.dm.miller
9-9-87 UM.106823.cm.miller
12-28-69 8999.cotsman

A grease sandwich with 2 anniversaries.

A raise of the glass to...

John Madden

A legend is a legend

sun bells rain down...

Looks like one of Peter Sinfield's pearls of wisdom - though I'm not sure he was on board that early on.
I do like the lyrics of some of the psych/prog rock bands from the late 60's early 70's. I was listening to the Tyrannosaurus Rex album "Prophets Seers and Sages The Angels of the Ages" yesterday - a sample of the words?-
"A cobra seer with the puntured ear
Slaughtered a Malayan Sun bear
Night stood erect with bronzen haunches
Zapped the seer gave the bear back to us."

Genius. They don't write 'em like that anymore.

Dave the Rock and lyrics

Reminded me a little the The Bewlay Brothers by Bowie.

Now there be some great lyrics they don't write anymore! :-)

Dennis - Bewley Brothers

That's a truly great song - one of Bowie's best. Both that, and the album that preceded it, "Man Who Sold The World" are full of strange and wonderful songs. I do like records that somehow manage to be both profound and absurd at the same time.

Phish had to cancel their NYE shows at MSG due to covid....

....but, lo and behold, they are going to play a 3 set show on NYE without an audience on their app and YouTube channel. Starts at 5:30 pm EST sharp.
Did I mention its free??
Pardon my French, but that's pretty fucking cool of the band. They remind me a lot of the Grateful Dead in that they just want to play. And appreciate their phans which is payed forward.
Oh, and it might snow in Vegas tomorrow lol.

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