Dave's Picks Vol. 40: Deer Creek Music Center, Noblesville, IN 7/18/90 & 7/19/90

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18,000 happy Dead Heads could not be wrong. Deer Creek, my how you deliver.

We're closing the books on DAVE'S PICKS 2021 with not one but two - nearly - complete shows from Noblesville, IN 7/18/90 & 7/19/90. Yes, we've packed it all on four CDs, save for that second night encore which we promise you'll get to hear in the very near future. Sometimes there really is just too much good stuff.

For now, we'll invite you to cozy up with two exceptional back-to-back shows, shows with precision and clarity, shows with more than a lion's share of exploratory jams, and most importantly, shows that were simply a damn good time for all. Highlights from night one include the bookends of a spectacular "Help>Slip!>Franklin's" and an epically intricate "Morning Dew" followed by a classic cover of "The Weight." Night two, is the sleeper hit, with flawless playing from start to finish, the set list inviting you to find new favorites in top-notch renditions of "Foolish Heart" or "Victim Or The Crime," and if that's not one of the finest versions of "Desolation Row" Bobby ever did do! We would be remiss if we didn't mention that these shows were among Brent's last and they are some of his finest of the era at that.

Limited to 25,000 numbered copies, DAVE’S PICKS VOL. 40: DEER CREEK MUSIC CENTER, NOBLESVILLE, IN 7/18 & 19/90 was recorded by Dan Healy and has been mastered to HDCD specs by Jeffrey Norman.

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November 17, 2021 - 2:16pm

#561

Atron

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DaP 40 (7185) makes it to the maritimes.

Pretty much a week ahead of schedule as per the other releases this year, on a day off no less. Had a full spin and a half through. This is my first subscription and I have to say I am very impressed, a few in and out of the box picks, filling in some holes in my collection. Different flavours, a great selections of tunes. Maybe too early to make an informed call but #40 might be my favourite. Glad they kept the DrumsSpaces intact, I love all the MIDI madness.

How would you folks rank the 2021 picks?

Looking forward to 2022.

Take care.
November 17, 2021 - 1:47pm

#562

unkle sam

Joined:
October 3, 2008

pheew loud

Seen a lot of them
Loudest, can't say, Black Sabbath loud and heavy, like a barbell on your ears
Foghat, believe it or not, these guys could rock and rock, down front, nothing but sweat and sweet loudness
Thin Lizzy, started the show with Jailbreak, 4th note blew out the fuses 20 mins later back but not as loud
The Who, very loud, even in a stadium but not ear shattering
Saw a band recently who opened for Captain Beyond, can't recall their name but everyone, everyone, even me and I'm almost deaf, left the venue, just ear bleeding loud that almost made you barf, Captain Beyond was great, Bobby Caldwell is still out there playing those great songs.
Ted Nugent, he sucked but it was sooo loud, nasty loud Brownsville Station opened that day, then Mahogany Rush, then Cheap Trick, then Ted, everybody was better than nugent. Talk about the neighborhood complaining, not only was it loud, it was nugent
Saw a band named Nektar back in the 70's, loud but clear as a bell, great light show all though the sound may have been compromised by the venue, basically a tuna can.
Agree about the good old Dead, they were loud but really good loud, and clear as a bell, love that Mac sound even today. Zero distortion
Spirit in 1974 at the Peabody Auditorium in Daytona Beach, Loud Spirit of 76 and then Kaptain Kopter music, raunchy in your pants loud.
Uriah Heep in 1970 very loud competing with Deep Purple that wah-wah on Gypsy was incredibly loud, still remember the front rows being literally pushed back by the sound
Im sure there are more, just the ones I can remember right now loud seemed to be "in" back in the 70's
November 17, 2021 - 12:37pm

#563

hbob1995

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Loudest

'79 - Saw Twisted Sister in the Gemini, a bar on the west side of the Hudson River. Stood right in front of the right hand side speaker stack. Could not hear much for the better part of a week
Rock on
November 17, 2021 - 11:05am

#564

daverock

Joined:
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Poor sound

I couldn't objectively verify it, but I would think the quality of the sound was quite poor for all those loud British hard rock bands I saw in the mid 70s. Maybe I just got used to it, but I saw quite a few punk bands around 1976-1977, and I can't remember ever thinking they were particularly loud. Similarly with the next wave of bands - Echo and The Bunnymen for example - I never came out deaf like I did in 1973.

The Dead weren't noticeably loud in 1981 - loud enough and a very clear sound. I saw both Black Sabbath and Deep Purple in 2017 after a 40 odd year gap, and again, I didnt think about ther sound at all - it was probabaly much better than it was in the 70's.
November 17, 2021 - 10:17am

#565

Dennis

Joined:
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Loud

Late as always, lost internet!!!!

I'm always amazed at peoples memory. I couldn't think of a 'loudest" show. Dead show were always "loud", but as HF points out there's a difference between loud noise and loud clarity. Dead were always top shelf for my years (80's) in the sound system department. Saw Peter Gaberial for his tour in 83? Outdoor amphitheater, we were maybe in the 20th row about middle,,,,, GREAT sound, full and clear, sounded just like the live album turned up.

Anyway, last night I remember a show, and the damn thing wasn't that long ago, but that memory.......

Lockn a few years back finished one night with My Morning Jacket. They came out ear blistering loud, that level of loud you'd swear had blood coming out your ears. The crowd thin fast. I just stood there and faced the music as it were. Now I'm pretty green at this point, but I get a focus on the sound and to me it was this HUGE cloud of distortion, LOUD, but then I finally hear at the heart of this cloud of white, this guy playing a clean guitar line, that is crystal clear and a bright light at the center of white and this cloud is huge, in my mind it's a 60' high sphere.

And while he's climaxes in the jam, the sound sucked down to a human size piano and him playing (crystal clear, no distortion field), I like to teach the world to sing......

THAT was a moment, that was loud.

Maybe it was the green!!

I learned the song was "steam -> Teach the world to sing"

A couple of years later on some college station, I heard he was touring again with the "distortion" tour, but without the distortion,,,, called it clarity or some such. I thought maybe it wasn't all green :-)
November 17, 2021 - 8:08am

#566

proudfoot

Joined:
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Ol' Man Jenkins is currently listening to...

Metallica's "Justice" on my phone.

I feel the energy without PAIN.

My lawn is mighty green...
November 17, 2021 - 7:51am

#567

hendrixfreak

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My conclusion

Okay, so high volume goes with rock and electric blues, yet there's a crucial difference. As John Hammond Jr. once told me about seeing Hendrix after the latter's career had taken off, "too loud is too loud." The bands long ago indulged in it and, not knowing any better as a young person, I went along for the ride. But over the years (yes, I'm old now -- but only if you're young) it's become clear that loudness alone can really spoil the music. If you can't hear what's going on, or the volume is so high that it becomes an issue in itself, then the musical artistry is lost and pointless. I see this in local venues that are known for being "loud." The volume is simply too high to relax and enjoy the music; the volume becomes an issue in itself. And, to be sure, I like loud music. So I was always, er, grateful, that my favorite bands -- the GD, ABB and The Band -- back in the day were into quality sound systems, though that didn't necessarily account for the venues and their acoustics. Among them, as far as I know, the GD were the only ones who plowed significant resources, constantly, into the science of their amplification medium to achieve the cleanest live sound they could get. That to me says alot about this band.

And the thing is, "too loud is too loud" was true when I was young. I was just too young and too stupid to move when it was an issue.
November 17, 2021 - 7:40am

#568

proudfoot

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again from ol' man Jenkins

I like rock n roll
I like the energy
I like the grooves
I like the riffs

But if I want to attend a show by a band, I do not want my eardrums ASSAULTED. (I just flashed on the sequence in 2001 where Bowman is shaking in his helmet).

I never experienced PAIN and "eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee" during or after a GD show.

I'll just listen to my stuff on my front lawn...stay off, you punks!

JENKINS NATION!
November 17, 2021 - 7:17am

#569

KeithFan2112

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Loudest Band

Couple ways if looking at it in my mind, and I am biased due to my stake in this discussion: 1) the bands are loud because they love it loud and they hit a dB mark that happens to distinguish them; and 2) same as #1, except they're aware of the "bad-assery" of being the loudest band, so they kick it up a few dBs to take the crown.

I've been a major Who fan since I was 10 yrs old, hence my stake in this discussion. I heard along the way that The Who were renowned for being in the Guinness Book of World Records as the loudest band in the world. That was some bad-assery I passed on to many a Who nonbeliever.

Maybe this is commented on already - I haven't read far enough back in the posts to see where the discussion began. The history of it is, Deep Purple, who I believe falls into category #1, set the record originally, I guess in the early 70s.

The Who had been a notoriously loud band throughout the 60s and 70s, and were commonly regarded as the loudest band in the world, if only because Pete Townsend said so (and had the hearing loss to prove it). Eventually Guinness sought them out and caught them at the end of their 1976 tour at Charlton. They broke Deep Purple's record and held it for the rest of their pre-Farewell Tour career.

Sometime after that I believe things get sketchy, because bands were falling into category number two, where they kicked it up a few notches to gain the notoriety of being the loudest band in the world. I could be wrong, but I don't think anyone held the record as long as The Who, and because there was a shot at making Guinness, I think there were bands who didn't really come by it honestly. So I'm going with The Who :D
November 17, 2021 - 5:18am

#570

simonrob

Joined:
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The loudest band in the world... Allegedly.

Grand Funk Railroad headlined a free concert in Hyde Park in July 1971. They were advertised as being the loudest band in the world. It would have made no sense to try and promote them on the basis of their musical prowess. Almost nobody in England had any idea who they were. Heads, Hands and Feet were the opening act who I remember nothing about, unfortunately. Maybe I arrived too late and missed them. Second up was Humble Pie with one Peter Frampton on guitar. A great performance, they ensured that GFR would never be able to top that and indeed they didn't. An endless selection of standard riffs seemed to be all they were capable of. The world's loudest? Hard to say because it was outdoors in a park.

I think I only saw Deep Purple once and mercifully that was also outdoors so my ears were spared. I remember little about it due to being chemically compromised at the time. It was either 1970 or 1971.

The loudest band I ever heard (indoors, naturally) was Black Sabbath in May 1970. People living miles away complained about the noise which gives an idea of the volume levels involved.

There were other gigs that resulted in hearing problems the following day but I can't remember them all.

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18,000 happy Dead Heads could not be wrong. Deer Creek, my how you deliver.

We're closing the books on DAVE'S PICKS 2021 with not one but two - nearly - complete shows from Noblesville, IN 7/18/90 & 7/19/90. Yes, we've packed it all on four CDs, save for that second night encore which we promise you'll get to hear in the very near future. Sometimes there really is just too much good stuff.

For now, we'll invite you to cozy up with two exceptional back-to-back shows, shows with precision and clarity, shows with more than a lion's share of exploratory jams, and most importantly, shows that were simply a damn good time for all. Highlights from night one include the bookends of a spectacular "Help>Slip!>Franklin's" and an epically intricate "Morning Dew" followed by a classic cover of "The Weight." Night two, is the sleeper hit, with flawless playing from start to finish, the set list inviting you to find new favorites in top-notch renditions of "Foolish Heart" or "Victim Or The Crime," and if that's not one of the finest versions of "Desolation Row" Bobby ever did do! We would be remiss if we didn't mention that these shows were among Brent's last and they are some of his finest of the era at that.

Limited to 25,000 numbered copies, DAVE’S PICKS VOL. 40: DEER CREEK MUSIC CENTER, NOBLESVILLE, IN 7/18 & 19/90 was recorded by Dan Healy and has been mastered to HDCD specs by Jeffrey Norman.

Ah Stoltzie

4/24/72 RTR - the release that turned me into a casual Dead listener. Sugar Magnolia came on in the smoky basement of a home poker game shortly after it came out. I looked at the guy whose house we were at and said in a British accent "what's this mate?" And the rest was history. Still think it's the best version, but you know, you never forget your first Sugar Magnolia.

I'm with you on the 8/1/73, 6/10/73, and 11/19/72. I would add Chicago 7/25/74 to that list. Really want that last '74 Dark Star with the early Slipknot! after it.

Would still very much like the Boston Tea Party shows from the end of 1969 into New Year's. It's unreal how long a Dave's Pick 1969 drought it's been. Back to back Bonus Disc releases with 6 & 10, and then crickets for 8 years.

A few thoughts

7 25 74 yes KF agreed

Glad to have 2 23 74 coming our way

69 shows YES weeee neeeed moooore, Dave

Yesterday of all days

I drive home from Oregon in glorious GD goodness

Pick up son and his GF from airport on the way

Get to my house

Stove/oven and an electrical outlet not functioning

WTF

yin yang

For those with short memories

Trump was the one throwing millions at the drug companies in the2020with the instructions to get a vaccine now! What were the Dems doing? Saying it will never work, it will take 5 years blah blah. Harris claimed she would mess it up. Wtf he wasn’t developing it By the way I’m not anything close to a Trump supporter, as a matter of fact I resigned from the Republican Party in June 16 of 2016 when they nominated him. How many here left the Dems when they nominated a self entitled criminal in ‘16 or a clearly deficient old man in 2020. No just interested in historical accuracy

Best to all

Hi all, I just wanted to wish all you grate people on this forum the best of christmases, restful holidays, and a wonderful, safe and healthy new year!

I've said this before, but it bears repeating: I really enjoy the conversations here, I learn a lot about other music to check out, and I feel like this is a place where there is interesting, informed conversation about the best band in the world, and my favorite band. Thanks, all!

Snafu got into the brown acid

FDT

Meanwhile...

The gorillas at the zoo are cool

Canned heat

Try 1971 'whiskey and wimmen' with john lee hooker on harp and vocals. Happy holidays guys.

Alan Wilson…

On harp. JLH didn’t play harp and you can hear him in amazement as to how the Blind Owl can keep up

Snafu

I meant harmonica.

Christmas is the day that holds all time together.........

Yo! Rockers!!!!

Christmas is the spirit of giving without a thought of getting. So if anybody out there needs some 1971 Christmas joy in their stocking, you know where to find me! The excellence of a gift lies in its appropriateness rather than in its value........

Christmas to a child is the first terrible proof that to travel hopefully is better than to arrive.........

Happy and safe holidays to all, and rock on!!

Doc
Christmas is a season for kindling the fire for hospitality in the hall, the genial flame of charity in the heart......

Hooker 'N' Heat

That's an amazing album. Not very seasonal - but that version of "Burning Hell" is corrosive. John Lee talks about Pigpen inbetween songs, too-dissing his cooking. I presume that's the same Pigpen.

its Christmas

and I'm sure no one here wants to hear the ravings of a trumpian, so let's all be thankful that the orange loser is not in power anymore and be done with it.
The best xmas present ever, trump in jail.

Daverock

You are correct, sir. Canned/Hooker combination is sweet as honey. Hooker adds that voice that you can't find anymore. Legendary. It is going to be a long, long road to 74' winterland, and Baltimore. If you signed up for the early pigeon subscription, it is even that much better.

Dick's Picks Vinyl Question

Ok, everyone gave me enough amazon gift cards I was able to buy a copy of DP36 in vinyl. (missed it by this much when it came out!!) Just for argument sake it was 350 (new/unopened)

My question is how many of the dicks have been put out in vinyl? I have 8, 26, 19 and now 36. Am I missing any?

Hope everyone had a super Christmas and Santa left you everything you ever wanted!

Dennis: Dick's Picks Vinyl Question

I believe DP 1 though 5 have been reissued on vinyl.

Dicks Picks on vinyl

Dennis - I think 24 came out too-3/23/74. I am not 100% sure - I didn't get it. There was one from 1974 that I dithered about...and while I was trying to make my mind up, it disappeared off Amazon. Whichever 1974 show it was - the last time I saw it was on Discogs...for hundreds of pounds

Two cool shows ten years apart.

12/26/69 and 12/26/79

12-26-70...we were

At the El Monte Legion Stadium (of Frank Zappa fame) for the start of a three day run...one of those night's had an "Easy Wind" that was so good and powerful I thought the back wall of the arena was going to blow out...

12-26-79 DP 5

With the "Uncle John's" 2nd set sandwich is another fine listen for today...

El Monte December 1970

Now therez a box opportunity

Real Gone Dicks

DiP 19 recently came out on on vinyl Real Gone, and I grabbed me one. I think I kind of panicked.

Last year Real Gone put DiP 36, which is one of my 3-4 most favorite of the whole series, but money was tight, and I hesitated and it sold out and then I regretted it. So when they announced they were doing 19 I ordered it immediately, even though to me it's only a very good and maybe not great show. But I'm still glad to have it. Not sure how many others they've done on vinyl but they've done quite a number DiPs and Road Trips on seedy. It's worth it to subscribe to their email newsletter if you're looking for that stuff.

Just btw, I received a vinyl copy of the Goat Head Soup reissue for Xmas, and I'm enjoying it more than expected. I really only wanted it to get the 'Brussels Affair' live set, which is some of very best live Stones on record IMO, but the studio album is better than I remember. Lots of songs I'd forgotten all about (Winter, Silver Train, Hide Your Love) are actually really good. Also never noticed what a major contributor Bill Wyman was on that record: very melodic, tasty bass lines throughout. I'll say it again: to me, the Stones haven't sounded like the Stones since he retired. And of course the Brussel stuff is amazing.

Speaking of Real Gone Dicks: One thing thing that I'm pretty sure was just exactly as bad as I remember is 2020. I refuse to rise to the bait and try to list all the ways that **** failed to address the public health crisis that was killing thousands of Americans per day for months at a time. (Who has the time?) I'll just say this: if you're going say in the middle of a crisis "I take no responsibility," then you don't get to come back later and say "I want to take credit."

Giving 9 8 73 another try

No complaints

But

"Official release" worthy? Dick was keen on 9 8 73?

Ooooodd

Luckily we got the St. Louis box

12/26,27,28/70 Legion Stadium

Nappy, cool show, I've never heard these before. P.F., yeah these would make a great box set.

Crow

Thanks for finding the words. In it for a penny, in it for a pound.

Goats Head Soup

Check the liner notes on Goats Head. There ain't a Stones album from the Bill
Wyman era where he contributes less. Keith & Mick Taylor played bass on many
of the tracks. Apparently Wyman either wasn't invited those particular days or was
out sailing on his yacht ... An underrated effort by the Rolling Stones - last good
lp from the MIck Taylor era. Brussels is the live gold standard for the that line-up!

It’s Christmas

Not interested in the raving of haters on either side Trump or Biden/ Clinton

well said Crow

I love how you x'ed out its name lol.

Anniversary shows 12/27/79, 80, 81, 82,83

Big fun at the Oakland Auditorium and the S.F. Civic.

The Stones vs Mighty Baby

It;s a great album, Goats Head Soup - maybe not as funky as Exile, but the actual songs may be better in some respects. And The Brussels Affair is my favourite live album of theirs.

It's a pity Stones box sets always cost so much ( Black Sabbath's are even worse) When you compare the cost of a Stones box to the cost of, say, the 6 cd Mighty Baby retrospective, the latter works out about three times cheaper. And if you were to ask me which I played the most, the answer would be....The Mighty Baby.

Great Dead shows at Oakland December 1979. 12/26 and 12/28 are anyway. The 26th features maybe my favourite jam of theirs with Brent at the wheel.

The Stones Vs Mighty Baby

No contest. In my house Mighty Baby wins hands down. That's like Max Bygraves Vs Tom Jones.

Every so often...

I listen to So Many Roads release from...a while ago

I really like it

I would love another one like it

There must be a bunch of great music in shows that can't be released as full shows for whatever reasons

I'd buy it

Got a joke for ya

I AM AT AN AIRPORT!

Punch line....

....dealing with the airports these days.

So. Many. People.

Sooooo many.....people

And

OUR FLIGHT GOT CANCELLED.

HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!

Punch an airline in the nose today, kids!

Anniversary show 12/28/79

42 years ago today , I was at the Oakland Auditorium for a killer show with the good ole Grateful Dead, what a blast!

Major jeally btk

I have good memories of that show on cassette.

Been a Long Time

Listened to 12/29/77 DP 10 all the way through for the first time in ages . That is some quality Wolf era '77. Terrapin Station really rocks on this one.

The Brussels Affair is great. Ladies and Gentlemen...The Rolling Stones is also an outstanding must have from the Exile Tour the previous year (best of 4 shows) released as a movie. There are a few different songs and a few better performances (check out Happy, Tumbling Dice, Bitch, Love in Vain, Sweet Virginia, and Dead Flowers on L&G). The Blu-ray sounds much better than the CD because it 's in 5.1 Surround Sound. I think Keith's vocals are bit better on L&G as well. The Brussels Affair on the other hand has a Midnight Rambler and Can't Always What You Want that may be the live GOATs; then there's Dancin' with Mr. D and Heartbreaker live, which I find more raw and exciting than the studio versions. I'm going back to back on these now....

Re: Major Jello

Agree.. what a run. I have fond memories of this show on CD.

Jug of Love

I went back to that Mighty Baby box set, and it really is superb. I can't think of any other British band that could jam as freely as this, without reverting to blues rock. If, having already got the signature albums, you passed this by, Simon, I highly recommend it. Great to hear so much of that Glastonbury set from 1971 that was featured on one side of that album all those years ago. Its not Daves Pick standard sound wise, but its infintley better than that side on the Glastonbury L.P.
I never saw them live - but I did see guitarist Martin Stone during his brief time with the Pink Fairies. It was 1976. I was 19. I don't remember a darned thing about it.

Dead of the day -3/17/68 from 30 Trips. Grrreat. Lovelight, when it still sounded fresh, kicks things off in fine style. I've only played the first two songs, so the best is yet to come.

Anniversary show 12/28/83 S.F. Civic

38 years ago today, I was at the S.F Civic for a knockout show with the Dead. I put this show on my top 10 list of Grateful Dead shows I've attended. December, what a great month for Grateful Dead shows, I think they could put out a box set of December Grateful Dead year end shows : 12/68, 12/69,12/70, 12/71, 12/72, 12/77, and on and on.

McDonald and Giles

ring any bells?

"sunbells rain down in a liquid profusion"

BTK should be a vault release consultant

gotta check out that 12/28/83 sometime

R.I.P. John Madden

A Bay Area Legend, I was a huge fan of the Oakland Raiders back in the 1960s.

Last 4, all today

8-23-68 153116.8trackmix.gems (playing now, on Caution)
12-28-91 UM.144626.dm.miller
9-9-87 UM.106823.cm.miller
12-28-69 8999.cotsman

A grease sandwich with 2 anniversaries.

A raise of the glass to...

John Madden

A legend is a legend

sun bells rain down...

Looks like one of Peter Sinfield's pearls of wisdom - though I'm not sure he was on board that early on.
I do like the lyrics of some of the psych/prog rock bands from the late 60's early 70's. I was listening to the Tyrannosaurus Rex album "Prophets Seers and Sages The Angels of the Ages" yesterday - a sample of the words?-
"A cobra seer with the puntured ear
Slaughtered a Malayan Sun bear
Night stood erect with bronzen haunches
Zapped the seer gave the bear back to us."

Genius. They don't write 'em like that anymore.

Dave the Rock and lyrics

Reminded me a little the The Bewlay Brothers by Bowie.

Now there be some great lyrics they don't write anymore! :-)

Dennis - Bewley Brothers

That's a truly great song - one of Bowie's best. Both that, and the album that preceded it, "Man Who Sold The World" are full of strange and wonderful songs. I do like records that somehow manage to be both profound and absurd at the same time.

Phish had to cancel their NYE shows at MSG due to covid....

....but, lo and behold, they are going to play a 3 set show on NYE without an audience on their app and YouTube channel. Starts at 5:30 pm EST sharp.
Did I mention its free??
Pardon my French, but that's pretty fucking cool of the band. They remind me a lot of the Grateful Dead in that they just want to play. And appreciate their phans which is payed forward.
Oh, and it might snow in Vegas tomorrow lol.

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