Grateful Dead

USPS received my DaP41 from UPS on Saturday, but only delivered it today.

Sounds just as expected. Thanks Betty, Norman, Dave & Co.
I never had this on cassette and have listened to the torrent copy I have less than 5 times, so it’s basically a new show to me.
Yeah, the filler is jarring being at the end of CD 2. But glad we got it.
Since I only listen to the CD’s once to confirm that they aren’t defective and then copy to a HD, process, and transfer to a micro SDXC card for use in a music player, this show will flow smoothly and 7-19-90 will now have it’s encore.

....that Duran Duran put a record out in October. Last Five will now include that. BRB.
Teen of the early '80's here.

It's largely irrelevant here in the US. Unless your car breaks down in Cleveland Ohio.. why bother. Full disclosure.. Cleveland is great city and is just few hours drive from me.. so considering the proximity I go to the Hall of Fame all the time (not). Never been, never will. (R&R Hall of Fame that is, Cleveland is cool).

I think that's about the answer one would expect. With the small exception of seeing a piddly list of newbies each year.. we don't give a shit and neither did Jerry.

Now what were we listening to again?

.....although my son is enjoying Duran Duran. Rio.
I only have two ears and one auditory output at a time.
He thanked me for mixing it up a little. John Taylor lays some serious bass lines according to my minion.
I squirred. It happens.

....new wave.

Hmm

Xtc?
Hazzee fantayzee?
Lena lovich?
M?

Bow wow wow? Remember the hot chick in the video singing i want candy and licking the melty ice cream cone?

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I sure do

....soon, it will be 2.22.22.
Neat.
Ultravox. INXS. Oingo Boingo. Simple Minds.
Goodnight peeps....

According to Memphis musician Jim Dickinson, " The best songs don't get recorded ; the best recordings don't get released ; and the best releases don't get played".

I always felt a bit too scruffy for new wave. Although I did like the way Hayzee Fantasee used to dance about on the telly-and Lene Lovich once appeared on stage with Hawkwind, for Gods sake.

Mr Ones - thanks very much - I hope you realise that I have the greatest respect for you, and your views - and that if I disagee with anything you happen to say, that respect isn't diminished in the slightest.

Oingo Boingo new wave? Yep, 40 plus years ago... discovered because of a truly bizarre and profane movie, The Forbidden Zone. Have their first vinyl EP, with the cat on the cover. High energy rock ska, the brilliant Danny Elfman. Weird Science a pop hit. Never expected to see mention here, thanks!

Hello all first time posting. Hope everybody is well out there. Received my copy of 41. However discs 1 and 3 have heavy static halfway through both cds. Can anybody help me out. Emailed customer service haven’t heard back. Long time collector first issue I’ve had. Thanks all stay well!!!🤘🏻

send me a PM with the details and I will ask the Doc to get on the case.

I have no affinity for the induction portion of the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame, I really gave up on it when they started inducting folks like Madonna and such. If you are going to induct them, just call it a music hall of fame and be done with it.

That said, any folks on these pages would enjoy a visit to the museum immensely. I am a 20+ year museum professional who likes going to museums and I can say my visit to the R&R HOF Museum in 2009 was one of my finest museum experiences. The exhibits are extremely well done and the artifacts displayed are incredible. Lots of goosebump stuff that chronicle the history of blues and rock and roll. A handful of Jerry's guitars are in a public space to see without having to pay, but I remember seeing Pigpen's harp and beat up hat (there may have been a jacket, too) among other GD stuff. Full on outfits worn by Mick Jagger and others on tour, instruments from pretty much every notable player, and some really fantastic stuff. I recall the piece of the tail from the airplane that went down in Lake Monona with Otis Redding. That kind of stuff! It is a big museum and well worth a visit and the money to get in.

OK, off soapbox. Onto filler. I was being melodramatic about not listening to the second cd of this set because of it. Really, I just can't get the third CD out of the player, it is that good. I can listen to a stand alone S&D, High Time, etc... or that magnificent jam on CD 3. No contest. Best filler I had in my tape days was on the end of 12/31/78 set III tape-- someone put the 1967 clip with strange stage banter and one of the few Golden Road to Unlimited Devotion followed by New Potato Caboose. It was revelatory to hear primal Dead like that. I am forever thankful to the fellow who put that on there.

Got DaP41 today, finally. Just be patient if you haven't gotten yours yet. But a question: does anyone know what's going on about the hair-dos on the turtles on the cover?? I was around in 1977 and this wasn't the style, especially on turtles.

You would think they could at least have thrown in the missing US Blues from the previous Dave's Picks 40. The extra disc they threw in that release for no particular reason just barely missed making 2 complete shows ;-)

Estimated - that does sound good. I used to like going to exhibitions on rock memorabilia when I went to London up to two years ago. Great ones on Elvis, David Bowie and The Stones. The Pink Floyd one was a bit sketchy. I can remember standing behind a group of people looking at a telecaster covered in silver mirrors placed in a glass case. When I got up close, I read the card underneath it, which said it was an exact copy of the one Syd Barrett used to play. Great. Anybody could have done that on cheap tele !

....huge fan since 1985. Their final show on Halloween 1995 is one of the most high energy shows I've seen (on yoo toob. I wasnt there sadly).
Fingers crossed for a reunion at some point, but doubtful. Not because of I'll feelings amongst the band, but Elfman has stated that his hearing is too far gone to consider it. Bummer.
Him and Bartek have gotten together a few times since, but only for a song or two.
Back to Baltimore '77. That Jack-A-Roe, Minglewood, Bertha is a definite 1-2-3 punch. Very nice.

....Garcia lets loose these very nice solos at times. He does it again at the end of this NFA. Is it just me?

Just halfway through the first set, it sounds more or less exactly as I remembered it. Beautiful recording, high energy show. ..and the vocals are quite good by GD standards. There's one thing I never quite got used to and that was the tone of the Travis Beam. Still, he manages to rock with it, and it has a very clean sound.

A very good show, certainly a worthy Dave's Picks. Can't wait for the second set.

It is just me, or did they mix Tom Constanten's harpsichord way down? This is(was) my all time favorite rendition, in no small part due to the fact that Tom was up front and very audible.
I did a quick compare with the Archive soundboard, the difference is there...what happened? tried it on two systems, same result; anybody else noticed?
Can't comment on the rest of the set, I just went straight to that side.

...Did someone say Lene Lovich? I saw her and other Stiff Records acts at The Whiskey in West Hollywood...Stiff's motto was "If It Ain't Stiff, It Ain't Worth a F***k"... and of course at the same time were the Two Tone bands out of England...The Specials, Madness and The Selecter...wow!

DAVE- Why the 3+ minutes of crowd "Not Fade Away" chanting at the start of "U.S. Blues"?? First of all it simply makes no sense to include that as part of the bonus for "U.S. Blues"... it would make sense at the end of "Not Fade Away." Second... that's going to be a pain to have to fast forward to on all future listens.

Even for crowd noise/ band banter that is actually part of the concert it would be nice to make it a separate "song" on the CD--or code it as negative time before the song starts-- so we can skip it on future listens.

THANKS!

I rarely play "CD's" anymore...I rip my purchases to my HD and drop them into my digital walkman or connect the player via aux cord to my car stereo so this bonus track was not an issue...I simply dragged the track out of it's folder and relabeled it "18" and dropped it into the corresponding folder for 40....the crowd chants match up pretty well like that....that being said it should have been available as a one time download with proof of purchase of 40...

Dave is doing a great job to supply us with complete shows. Not Fade Away is the missing encore from Deer Creek on the last Dave's Picks. Aside from it completing the show, it's almost impossible to get a crowd to sing for 3 minutes (no small feat). I heard of them doing that once before when they closed out a show and had the whole place chanting over and over 'Hey now, Hey now, lko lko all day, Jock-a-mo pee-no ah na-ney, Jock-a-mo pee na-ney"

I am not impressed with this show.

Hey Vguy,
That Halloween 1995 show was released on VHS first, then as a 2 DVD package. Plays well on home systems given it's not HD spec. One of the best live shows far and wide. Have OB vinyl and CD, but that video captures the essence, should have run that one up the flag pole when music videos were under discussion a little while back. Same for the vids from Branford Marsalis Live in Amsterdam: A Love Supreme, or his last, late period Miles Live in Munich. One thing to hear the music (do "get" that repeated videos do not sustain like pure earfood, it's a different part of the brain), one must see musicians live or as close to it as possible, when at peak. Completed two full passes on 41 and can only agree, disc three is outstanding. This performance virtually free of warts as far as I can tell and polished, great audio and power under the hood, add another star to the constellation that is 1977. Will reiterate, not that I didn't want it, US Blues is just out of place. YMMV.

was an Oingo Boingo fan

Blondie

One way or another just came up on the PA at the burger joint i am at

old wave

Still freaking awesome in 2022

Black Angel's Death Song

If it's a problem (US Blues), the go through the trouble.. work the metadata and place it where it belongs. If you are a physical media person than burn a new copy sans USBlues and toss it in the 6 disc changer instead of the original. It takes about 20 min tops. Keep the original so you don't scratch or damage it and all is good with the world.

I might not have put the Dave's Picks 40 leftover on this particular release, but these are first world problems to be sure. It's not that hard to grab it, relabel, etc. and put it where it belongs or not.

As for liking this release, 77 is not on my radar for a host of reasons, but every now and then it really does scratch the itch. '77 for me is the practically perfect GD band otherwise known as my supermodel ex-girlfriend. We don't date anymore but when we reconnect, I am rarely disappointed. I like my GD warts and all and value risk over stability, but that's just me. I doubt if I listen to this day in and day out but this is top shelf GD. I would put it very much on par with Dave's Picks 1.. the main difference being Scarlet>Fire vs. Estimated>Eyes but both shows are solid and rock from start to finish, no warts.. practically perfect in every way. But that's just my brain wrapping itself around this problem, interpretations vary. What you think and how you process it is 100% correct, no wrong answers.

Worthy GD. A monumental release. Now can we get some warty 1968 for goodness sakes? Trip or Freak GD Please.... Less on the worthy, more on the worth it. :D

edit: in a pinch, 69 or 70 would suffice.

Claude Bessy, aka Kickboy Face (lead singer of Catholic Discipline and editor of LA punk zine Slash in the '70s) pretty much said it all about 'new wave':

"There was never any such thing as New Wave. It was the polite thing to say when you are trying to explain you were not into the boring old rock-n-roll, but, you didn't dare to say punk because you were afraid to get kicked out of the fucking party and they wouldn't give you coke anymore."

I remember those parties, sort of. Last five:

Wayne Shorter: The All Seeing Eye
GOGD: DaP 34 bonus disc
Ty Segall: Harmonizer
Neil Young: On the Beach
GOGD: DaP 41

I could while away the hours, conversin' with the flowers, consulting with the raiiiiiin

Gonna wave, gonna wave
Gonna wave to the wind

:)

What Jimmy said.

Be Well People!
Sixtus

Forgive me my piping in late on this previous topic of discussion but I've been having PC issues and I really don't like typing on my phone with my paws...first of all we lost two great Bluesmen last week...Jimmy Johnson was a great singer and guitarist, Born 1928...if you can get a chance, listen to his Storyville album "Tobacco Road"...great live club recordings from Chicago '77....the other Bluesman lost was the Great Drummer Sam Lay, born 1935...he recorded with everyone in Chicago...he was also the drummer for the first Paul Butterfield Blues Band LP recorded in 1965...Sail On Sirs...Sail on...Mas blues talk later....

2/4/70 was filmed by P.B.S. for a special called " San Francisco Rock, A Night at the Family .Dog". It was shown on television on 12/13/70 and included the Dead, Santana, and the Jefferson Airplane. only 3 songs were shown by the Dead, Hard to Handle and China Cat/ I know you Rider. This show was released on DVD a few years ago. I imagine that they filmed the whole show by the Dead and not just 3 songs, it would be great if this show could be released in its entirety, if it still exists. Nappy, to bad about Sam Lay, that first Butterfield Blues Band was one of the greatest bands of alltime, Not a whole lot of those older guys left. Charlie Musslewhite is still going strong, he put out a CD with Elvin Bishop a couple of years ago that's really good.

R & R Hall of Fame: in my (hugely expert) point of view, the people being inducted surely make the whole concept a farce. BUT on a cross-country jaunt maybe 18 years ago, driving a vehicle from Annapolis to Denver, my path crossed with the museum. A few highlights: a moldy valise with a noticeable bump in the upper lid, said to belong to Howlin' Wolf. He kept his gig cash in it and the bump was caused by a large-caliber handgun placed atop the cash. Mr. Wolf would place the valise under his chair on stage, the safest place for it, as the GD themselves would learn. That sez blues to me. Jimmy Reed's red Les Paul; just OMG! Then there was an exhibit of stage costumes previously worn by the Rolling Stones. Carefully curated, the outfits were displayed on the typical headless dummies. (GREAT band name....) The thing that struck me is that, from what I could tell, the Stones must all be around four and a half feet tall. YES! Rarely discussed fact. Those guys are basically midgets. Hang on, nothing pejorative here about midgets, but more the defrocking of rock 'n roll legends -- those boys could have acted in the Lord of the Rings with no costumes or makeup. Little-known fact: Bob Weir is also under 5 feet tall; he just looks big under the spotlights....

Okay, the artwork on DPs does not really matter to me. But in light of the amazing artwork done for the PNW box, I really favor strong, simple graphics for CD cases due to size and proportion. The intricate cartooning -- especially skeletons -- is cliched and silly. Not to harsh anyone's pleasure if you enjoy it, but prehistoric indigenous imagery from various locations on the American homeland is possible and, to me, desirable. Blah blah!

Lastly, the actual music on #41... killer, so far. I agree we're saturated with spring '77 and this was clearly an easy pick for the first release of the year so they could spend more time on whatever special projects they're cooking up. And followed by a '74 show with bonus disc is keeping me as a subscriber. I've only listened to disc one so far and based on sound quality and performance alone, I totally dug it. Would my choice be different, if given a guest spot making a Pick? Sure. But remember, Dave & Co. have to view these releases as installments in a long river of releases that eventually will go vastly different places. I almost fear what Dave has in mind when he mentions "variety." Either that's the month/year of upcoming releases (including the '22 box) or the format (video or vinyl of Euro '72 shows coming?).

So, um, yeah, I'm most interested in a late '67, anything from '68 mini-box. I don't see Rhino greenlighting a full-on '68 box but a four-disc thing-y? Take my money! (And my brain. It's on a month-long February discount...)

it's still rock and roll to me

Popped into my head

Catholic Discipline quote is priceless. Coke was never appealing to me. "New Coke" new wave coke

"'New wave' doesnt mean shit" he goes on to say

Last 5 mon GD
VU and Nico
Metallica And justice for all (WHEREZ THE FUCKING BASS)
Motorhead bomber
Melvins the Maggot
Yes Relayer

Is there not any organization by topic here? I thought I was commenting on the latest Dave's Picks but it appears this is just a general word-salad-bar with non sequitur dressing...

This is where you comment on the latest Dave's Pick but it is also where you post anything that comes into your head. No organization, but you don't have to search the whole site for interesting stuff because its all here in one place.

Comment away.. my last post was mostly regarding DaP 41. It's a stunner, classic GD.

Not only do our purchases contain mis-placed bonus tracks, so do our conversations...

Search the website for topic specific discussion. Likely there is a topic for what you want to discuss. But, you may or may not get a reply. Or, perhaps not a reply for months or years. That's part of the fun and some of what keeps me here. :-)

Dave's 41 still shrink wrapped, waiting for its full reveal

I like putting GD stuff on here as well as random stuff on here. I make show recommendations fairly regularly.

Scroll past if you don't find it relatable. I also need a place to vent my inner lunacy, so y'all are the lucky recipients.

Just don't talk politics or say things like "DT sux donkeys"

Keep in mind that the occasional random word salad comment can spark a detailed conversation

"because of the formlessness" - Jerry Garcia

it's also very Acid Test-y

lol

Maybe just as improvisation lies at the heart of The Dead's music, it also lies at the heart of discussion on the Dead's music too. That's my excuse for slipping off topic anyway.

This is where 90 min cd-r’s with over burn come in. Granted not red book but if I’m working around the house I’m not hearing perfection so let it rip

It’s how we entertain ourselves and each other.
And we just keep moving to the comment page of the most current release or announcement.

They usually arrive by now. Is it delayed? (Like everything else.) And why is the Dave's Picks page so empty? I see just two sold out sets of cards.

Hover over 'Special Edition Shops' in the store, there's more Dave's stuff there. Alas, you may have missed out on the glass if that's what you were going for. Yes, DaP 41's are now shipping and arriving...

not letting the pork chops touch the mashed potatoes. Trust me, J3ff, that one threw me, too. But it's been years.

Not to be defensive, but at least 2% of my last post had to do with the current release. So there!

That's my story and I'm unable to get unstuck from it.............

Pork Chops touching the Mashed Potatoes...

There is no greater controversy or travesty in the modern world. Archduke Franz Ferdinand was a famous mixer of mash and chops.. and we know what happened after that. good grief. Can't we keep it clean? Politics, religion, race relations, anything but pork touching taters on the plate.

Getting ready to delve into the second set of 5/26/77. The place, but not the time of my first dead show. I'm totally psyched.

This whole tater pork chops comment reminds me of merlot on that movie sideways. "If anyone orders merlot, I'm leaving. I am not drinking any flucking merlot"

VGUY72, I would say Fela is more rock 'n roll than most of the folks in the hall...no Fela, no Talkng Heads "Remain In Light"...Fela was constantly threatened by the Military Junta that ruled Nigeria during the 70's...He was arrested many times, most famously when he was arrested and had a joint planted on him...he ate the joint and his jailers kept taking his stool to test so he could be charged with possession...what they didn't know was that other prisoners were passing along their stool to be tested...he was cut loose and recorded his LP "Expensive Shit"....Ginger Baker went to Africa to play with him after Blind Faith broke up...When McCartney went to Lagos to record "Band On The Run" he said one of his fondest memories of that trip was to go to a small sweaty club and see Fela play...He was a bad man...

....I tell jokes sometimes. Example. My dog has no nose. Wait. Not that one.
Where do bad rainbows 🌈 go?
Prism! But it's a light sentence.
BTW. J3FF. You didn't comment on the release either. Potato, potato. And chops. And applesauce.
I remember when this group shared recipes too.
That was the pre-no-linq daze though.
Thanks for the Kuli lesson Mr. Rags btw.