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    You can listen to Grateful Dead records over and over again and never understand the attraction they have for certain people until you attend one of their concerts. Sometime during the Dead's usual five-hour set, it will all click: Jerry Garcia's Indian bead string of notes on the guitar, the ozone ooze of the vocal harmonies, the shifting, shuffling rhythm of bassist Phil Lesh and drummer Bill Kreutzmann, and the distant echo of the oldest of American folk music. - Columbia Flier

    "Certain people" will know that we're coming in hot with one that's got all these things and more, DAVE’S PICKS VOLUME 41: BALTIMORE CIVIC CENTER, BALTIMORE, MARYLAND, 5/26/77. Yes, there's still plenty of spectacular May '77 to go around. Nearly chosen for Dave's Picks Vol. 1, 5/26/77 delivers three-fold. There's one count for the energy - all the precision of the Spring tour conjuring up the raw power of the Fall tour that was to come. There's another for the setlist which featured beloved songs from WORKINGMAN'S DEAD and soon-to-be favorites from the freshly recorded TERRAPIN STATION. And a third for its element of surprise (or shall we say surprises) from an astonishingly peak 15-minute "Sugaree" to new delights ("Sunrise," "Passenger," "Jack-A-Roe') to a rare first-set finale of "Bertha" to the second set's "Terrapin>Estimated>Eyes," traveling leaps and bounds towards the improvisational journey that is a nearly 17-minute "Not Fade Away." 

    Limited to 25,000 numbered copies, DAVE’S PICKS VOLUME 41: BALTIMORE CIVIC CENTER, BALTIMORE, MARYLAND, 5/26/77 was recorded by Betty Cantor-Jackson and has been mastered to HDCD specs by Jeffrey Norman at Mockingbird Mastering. Grab a copy while you can.

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  • Mr. Ones
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    Just what nobody wants(my 2 cents)

    I love the discussion of live shows vis a vis, shows we attended vs. shows we love to listen to. I will always enjoy having a cd of a show that I attended, regardless of which band we’re talking about. It’s just the ultimate souvenir.
    But when it comes to the Dead, my first show was 8/31/80, and while I would flip my lid if it was ever released, what I really want more than anything else, are shows from 1967-1974, with 67-70 being the real hot spot for me.
    I realize that there are most likely not too many shows of that era in a releasable form. Do I like shows from all years. Yes. To a point. If it is a superbly played show, I’ll give it many listens. If it’s not, it’s probably a 2 and done for me.
    While I’m perfectly ok with that, it’s human nature to want what I want(and right NOW).
    ANY show is desirable for me between 67-70, regardless of how sloppy or how much repeat of set lists, because they were absolutely PRIMAL at this time!!
    Of course, that just one idiots opinion. I gladly take whatever Dave gives me. I don’t feel the need to ‘threaten’ him by saying I’ll stop buying stuff. If I were to stop, there are certainly many punters ready to take my place. My music addiction does not seem about to subside anytime soon.
    As far as box sets go, I don’t see me buying anything from after ‘74. Again, that’s just me, I know I’m in the minority.
    I think I’ll let Dave worry about choices and sales figures, and I’ll just keep subscribing, and pick and choose which boxes to buy.

    Anyway you look at it, my opinion only applies to me, and I welcome opinions from any and all who contribute to this site.

    And keep the Last 5’s and other recommendations coming, because I sure as hell want to be on the receiving end of your much anticipated suggestions/favorites!!

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    Daverock, thinking, thinking....

    So I saw the band 1972 to 1992, with a ton of shows in '73. I have found that magical '73 sound to be my favorite in many ways, probably because I tripped out back then as a very young man and the sounds made an indelible impression. Yet I'm a stone Pigpen fan and love the early band's energy. I bemoan the lost of ... "spirit" let's say in the later years that to me reflected Jer's decline due to H. That said, something some folks call "attendance bias" or something like that suggests that people do enjoy hearing the shows they attended. Therefore, if they released the two '92 shows I went to, I'd dig it. But I'd go apeshit for a release of my first show in Sept '72 because that would overlap with the band's best year(s).

    I'm babbling but I guess it must be difficult to intuit what the GD fans will purchase. Some suggested that younger fans (those under, say, age 55!) might have snapped up the Giants Stadium box (I skipped it, always looking for opportunities to stop spending on GD music, though not really succeeding). Are older heads (I'm 65) really a monolithic force jonesing for '60s shows? I do not pretend to know.

    I suppose they can always analyze the sales for any given release, but who's to say what the demographics behind the sales #s really are? We're currently fixated on chronology and specific years for the band, which seems natural, but does that really influence sales? It has to, but how much of a factor is it? Versus, say, longtime buzz about a certain show and its circulation on tape, etc. (Example: Barton Hall '78, said to be "the greatest of all time" show doesn't really impress me... As in, I have NO IDEA what the hype is all about. It's a fun show, that's all -- for me.)

    The whole thing is a mystery to me. And for Dave, and Rhino, how much of their release decisions are based on data and how much on intuition and wishful thinking?

    I'm going to solve this conundrum by immediately retreating to my music room with a whiskey and spleef and play around on slide in standard tuning on my 1964 Gretsch as the day's last light slants across the room... Hey, I sincerely appreciate the opportunity to kick stuff around and goof off on this forum. Thanks gang!

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    HF - your comment that older heads might prefer 67-69 shows and younger heads 80's and 90's shows got me thinking. I only saw The Dead in 1981 and 1990, but my taste in listening to live recordings has always been 1967-1974. With different years within that timespan being my favourite at different times. It was 67-69 that originally got me interested in them.
    Curiously perhaps, I don't really relate listening to their live recordings to my experience of actually seeing them. It doesn't feel nostalgic when I listen to them - a forever now band.

  • That Mike
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    Bobby (Bobby?) Weir & Wolf Bros

    “Live In Colorado” just arrived!
    New persona, Bob!? Asking for a friend.

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    Well, we know that #42 is 2/23/74. Making this another year where Dave has selected at least 1 show from both the late Keith & Donna era (with Mickey post-hiatus) and the early K&D era (post Pig pre-hiatus). The only exception was 2018 with no early K&D. 2 late K&Ds + Brent + Pig/TC. Also got PNW Box that year, so plenty of early K&D.

    On the chat Dave said a good year for variety. Pig, Brent, & Vince/Bruce are the other eras. Hope the Box + 2 DPs touch them all. Have not had a Pig Dave's since 2019. Have had 2 Brent's the last 2 years, the only times Dave has done that.

    Last 5 boxes: STL 71/72/73, June 76, Giants 87/89/91, PNW 73/74, May 77 GSTL. I think we are gonna get early (Carousel '68?) or late (Brent 80s or MSG fall 90).

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  • hendrixfreak
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    OMG! I just had ANOTHER thought........

    Perhaps this is too obvious, but the Listen to the River box is just so good in concept, execution and content, that
    WHAT IF ... ole' Dave decided to couple up shows from
    - fall '67
    - spring '68
    - fall '68
    - spring '69

    To show the early band's evolution. Fall '67 to spring '69 is quite the arc in their ability to deliver, from surging beast to well-oiled psychedelic band. That approach could be done in 5-6 discs. I think the barrier to my own "ideas" relates to Dave's story on how "Listen" came together. He went to Rhino, if I recall correctly, with the "Listen" concept but only a 10 or 12-disc product and they responded, "could you do a 20-CD box?" I guess we'd have to review the history -- shorter boxes have been issued -- to see what the pattern is. Or maybe 20-disc boxes are Rhino-favored going forward? For my money, it'll be tough to surpass the "Listen" box because '71-'72-'73 is prime material for me. Okay, maybe older heads want primal 67-69, younger heads might favor 80s-90s? My thrashing about here confirms that I don't belong in merchandising. Just purchasing...........

  • Oroborous
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    Primal box

    Said it before, I’ll say it again: only have fragments of primal, no problemo, center the box around some primo 69, say April 69 Avalon/Ark, and tack a few discs of 67-68 on it, voilà!
    Say frags of 67 on one or two discs depending on quantity/quality, three or four short 68 shows, and the majority of the Avalon and Ark shows…

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    I don’t really compare or pay that close attention, but it does seem overall like they’ve gotten better with time/experience. I try to judge each show singularly, on their own merits.
    Later, I might compare to other shows within that tour, but any other than that it seems futile to me.
    The only recent one I’ve thought was audibly subpar was the 73 from last year, and I think that was more to do with the recording. Most folks couldn’t even tell though, I think you need certain ears/equipment?

    Think sonics the last couple years have been great except the above mentioned, and perhaps a smidge too much ambient mic on the 87? (But I really prefer a good matrix! SBs don’t sound natural to me)
    Still blown away how well the 78 (37?) sounds. 41 too.
    Really, all formats have marked improvement, If you compare apples to apples: meaning i.e., say 40 to other summer 90 DATs, and say, 41 to other May 77 Beatty reels etc, and Philly 83 to other cassettes, there seems to be an audible improvement over early releases of similar formats.
    My only complaint Is that sometimes Dave picks a good city and street, but goes to the wrong house…

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You can listen to Grateful Dead records over and over again and never understand the attraction they have for certain people until you attend one of their concerts. Sometime during the Dead's usual five-hour set, it will all click: Jerry Garcia's Indian bead string of notes on the guitar, the ozone ooze of the vocal harmonies, the shifting, shuffling rhythm of bassist Phil Lesh and drummer Bill Kreutzmann, and the distant echo of the oldest of American folk music. - Columbia Flier

"Certain people" will know that we're coming in hot with one that's got all these things and more, DAVE’S PICKS VOLUME 41: BALTIMORE CIVIC CENTER, BALTIMORE, MARYLAND, 5/26/77. Yes, there's still plenty of spectacular May '77 to go around. Nearly chosen for Dave's Picks Vol. 1, 5/26/77 delivers three-fold. There's one count for the energy - all the precision of the Spring tour conjuring up the raw power of the Fall tour that was to come. There's another for the setlist which featured beloved songs from WORKINGMAN'S DEAD and soon-to-be favorites from the freshly recorded TERRAPIN STATION. And a third for its element of surprise (or shall we say surprises) from an astonishingly peak 15-minute "Sugaree" to new delights ("Sunrise," "Passenger," "Jack-A-Roe') to a rare first-set finale of "Bertha" to the second set's "Terrapin>Estimated>Eyes," traveling leaps and bounds towards the improvisational journey that is a nearly 17-minute "Not Fade Away." 

Limited to 25,000 numbered copies, DAVE’S PICKS VOLUME 41: BALTIMORE CIVIC CENTER, BALTIMORE, MARYLAND, 5/26/77 was recorded by Betty Cantor-Jackson and has been mastered to HDCD specs by Jeffrey Norman at Mockingbird Mastering. Grab a copy while you can.

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....I'm going with some Doors to start. Box set that came out in 1997. LA Woman y'all.
Chris Collingsworth is annoying imo. I know who he's rooting for.

....I had 10.19.72 in my hand before dipping into Ray, Jim, John and Robby. Weird.
Second half music.
Edit. Nice catch by Chase. Dayum.

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10-19-72 playing now, on Greatest Story
10-18-72 earlier today
10-30-73 last night

Love this Box.

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....first set starts out with a Promised Land, Tennessee Jed and a Jack Straw. Who would complain about that trifecta? Hint. No one.
Hitting play now.
Edit. At the 2 second mark of Jed, someone squealed. Hell yeah.

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Lately I've been going back in time somewhat. Nothing wrong with that, of course.

Slumberin' on the Cumberland - John Hartford, Pat Burton & Benny Martin (1979)
When the clock strikes 12 - Slo Leak (1999)
Texas rock for country rollers - Sir Doug & the Texas Tornados (1976)
Casting pearls - Mill Valley Bunch (1972)
Live at Mexicali Blues Cafe, Teaneck, NJ April 7, 2007 - Avalon Allstars
(Ray White, Bobby Vega, Barry Sless, John Molo, Mookie Segal. Download from DigitalSoundboard.net)

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Wow, the Grateful Dead sure played some fantastic shows on Valentine's Day: 2/14/68 & 2/14/70 are as good as it gets. Happy Valentine's Day everyone.

I was curious to see which shows they played on Valentine's Day. Turns out they also played in 1969, 1986, and 1988 on the holiday. (Others? JGB, side bands?) Of course, most know about 1968 and 1970 where the shows have reached essentially mythic status but those other gigs were generally unbeknownst to me. Lovely day all :-)

-edit- I should say, besides '86. I knew about that one as I had a nice sounding tape once upon a time.

-edit 2- Enjoying DaP 21 (4-2-73) currently, which sort of has a Valentine's inspired cover art.

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HendrixFreak mentioned the 2007 Avalon release of the Bear’s recording of the Flying Burritos - an absolute fantastic release, with pretty well impeccable sound. A great band well ahead of it’s time. I changed my avatar to show me skulking around Chris Hillman, after a club date in town with his musical partner Herb Pedersen (a criminally under-appreciated guitarist, who did duty from the Dillards to Old And In The Gray). Nice guys, both, and great musicians, and this is a collection worthy of finding on CD. Ahead of their time, indeed.

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TM, actually I was thinking after hearing the Burrito Bros dbl-disc that, while the sound is pretty darn good, it lacked a degree of clarity I typically associate with Owlsley's recordings. But everything is there -- bass, drums, guitars, pedal steel, vocals. It made me wonder whether the GD shows 4-6 April '69 are of similar quality, which certainly is good enough for me to plunk down money for them.

Hmm, guess I'll have to spin that Hot Burrito again.

HF - There is an interesting take on the April 4-6 shows by the Dead at the Avalon, on a blog called Lost Live Dead dot blogspot dot com
Not only were the Dead packing a powerful Pigpen showcase, some thought is given that Jerry heard Sneeky Pete doing his ‘thang on the pedal steel, and it reinvigorated his desire to master the instrument.
Regardless, I agree with you 100% that the three shows would make a nice neat little release!
Is there a Dr Lemieux in the house?

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I’m sure there’s a forum page that references these but I just listened to Jerry’s contributions to the Zabriskie Point Soundtrack. I can't believe I'd missed them before. (Jerry Garcia - Love Scene and 4 Outtake Improvisations)

Wow. Powerfully simple playing. Like he was sitting right next to you. As he put it after recording, “…just me and my electric guitar and a little amplifier.”

Stunningly simple improvisational songs, slow, steady, and melodic.

These tracks won’t knock you out of your chair but they will make you want to sit still and listen to them more than once.

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The JGB played an epic show on 2/14/76, and there is a really nice soundboard that circulates.

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TM, I actually wondered about that pedal steel (possible) connection.

Did you mention PIGPEN??? In fact, that is what I noted from the 4-6 April setlists: plenty of my favorite GREASE.

Also note that the Burrito Bros. played Hank Williams' "You Win Again" and I think maybe that's where Jer picked that song up... I think in the early days, Jer is said to have always gotten to the gigs early.

That Byrds >> Burritos sound may well have inspired the Jer transition to the WD-type country, in contrast to Bobby's cowboy songs, per se.

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PF's stage show by '94 was way way over choreographed...little room for improvisation...at a complete show dress rehearsal they did at an empty hangar at the closed Norton Air Force base in San Berdoo I found a sheet of paper on the ground that was a list of instructions to one of the spot light operators....it was completely written out...red beams at 5:43 of so and so song, green and blue at 7:31 etc...blew me away...I was working the weekend for a caterer I knew...the first night was a very VIP invited crowd....the second night, no crowd just us working folk and we were treated to a complete show as the night before...in addition to the stage sound system they had their remote stacks out on the tarmac in front of the hangar...mas cool

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HF - The more I see those set lists for that 3 night stand at the Avalon, the more I would love to see it’s official release. A seldom-played song was Jerry drumming up the pathos with a world weary voice on (I Know) It’s A Sin. Just great stuff! What shows to see, too: prime Burritos as an appetizer, and really greasy Pigpen for the entree!
All for probably $5 at the door, which barely buys you a beer now!

Fun fact: Something in the musical air in April, 1969. Less than two weeks later, at Winterland, Bill Graham had the “coming out” party for The Band!

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....I'm boring lol.
Hi Mike! 👋
Figured I'd jump on the showing my face trend. I've done it before, but not with my valentine. 💘 She keeps me on an even keel. Say hi to my dead.net friends Cheryl! 👋
She says Hello and loves you peeps too.
Could be worse influences she says. Ha.
Edit. Is there something in my teeth?
Nope. That was my phone screen. Disregard.
adedhed68 has a tabby cat. The best cats. Followed closely by black cats.
Second edit. Tons of bands announcing tours. Grate newz!!!

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Once again this site has cost me money. All this talk about the Flying Burritos and the Stanley recording, made me check. And, no, I didn't have it.

Luckly, I found a copy on Discogs for 5 bucks,,,, what the hell!

U's guys and talk about shit I don't have....... keepin' up with the jones' is killing me, they ought to hang the man that said the best thing in life are for free!

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Got my "shipped" notice about Joni Archive 2. It's mail innovations, should be here by Easter!

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If you don’t have Bear’s Sonic Journals #1, Janis and Big Brother 6-23-68, I highly suggest it.
Bust out the wife’s credit card.

Weird that it isn’t listed on the OSF web page, and yet is the first release in the series.
There’s info about it on Wikipedia.

No sign here. UPS hasn’t updated since 7th Feb. USPS say they are aware of the alternative tracking number but don’t have it. This tracking number ends in FR so is presumably heading to France. Poste France doesn’t have tracking info and Royal Mail say that the number isn’t traceable. I’m still not worried. I’ll start panicking in a week or so.
Looking at Amazon UK I notice the Janis/Big Brother cd is on offer for c. £135 so I think I’ll give it a miss.

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Dennis - Believe me, the best $5 you will ever spend. There is not enough Gram music out there, and it’s an Owsley! HendrixFreak & I are quietly proud right now…

VGuy72 - Great pic of you and the Mrs!

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A little off subject and likely should be in the What's in Your Fridge thread:
Another Covid related crisis in Colorado. Ball can co. has shut out small brewers by raising their minimum order to a million cans per SKU (5 times higher) and not offering storage any more. One brewer said it would take his price from $10 per 6 pack to $13 as he had to buy cans from Nebraska and now pay to store the waiting cans. Ball blames metal prices and a shortage of warehouse space. What's next, sliced bread? Lord, give us this day our daily beer please.
Cheers, or maybe pound 'em if ya got 'em.

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Here in the Netherlands I have not yet received my copy of Dave's 41 and I'm not expecting it any time soon.

It has been shipped with Mail Innovations.

Normally it is given to UPS who then pass it on to USPS who use the alternative tracking number, a US tracking number with the format XX123456789US. USPS then ship it to Europe where the national postal service take it and deliver it.

This time, for the first time, it is different. The alternative tracking number has the format XX123456789CH which is a tracking number for Swiss Post. USPS recognizes the tracking number but have said that the label has been created but the package is not yet in their system. According to UPS the package departed the international carrier facility on February 9. Swiss Post tracking shows that it left LAX on February 9. From this you can see why I'm not expecting it in the Netherlands any time soon.

I suspect that Colin Gould is experiencing a similar situation but his copy is going to the UK via France.

Whatever is going on, it seems that there is a problem getting European packages across the pond.

She could change her mind.

Just like I just did -- listened again to the live Flying Burrito Bros' Owsley tape last night and, indeed, That Mike is correct. It is a top- notch recording, especially for an early '69 field recording at the Avalon. Dennis you got a great deal for $5. I paid $20 with shipping and am very glad I did.

I can confirm that that '68 Janis tape by Owsley is phenomenal!

And yes, Dennis, it is very costly to read this forum. I don't need to keep up with anyone, but my musical curiosity knows few boundaries and thus my wallet is frequently getting plundered.

My DaP #40 came via Switzerland, but that was very fast. I’ve got the latest 5 releases from the Another Timbre label to play so that should keep me occupied.

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Available on CD at Amazon for not super outrageous, but still pretty high.
But it’s also available on their streaming.

Also saw GD 3-1-69 vinyl there for $75.22, which is only $0.22 more than I paid at a local brick and mortar on release day.

Happy Will I contacted USPS yesterday and they are unable to provide me with any information as they state that is a low cost postage option that has been used, they have no idea where any of the international orders are.
They did provide this UK telephone number to contact UPS on 44 207 9490190, I am not going to worry about it for at least another week, hopefully it will have left the USA by then at least.

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I ordered 3 subscription copies - one for myself, one for a friend and one as a spare since 0ne of my DaP40s went missing and I didn’t want to miss out again. The two copies I ordered in one go came last week in a signed for package. The spare (which I intend to give away to a friend rather than sell on eBay) I ordered separately has not arrived.

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DaP #41 has just dropped through my letterbox.
It’s done better than two items sent to my wife by a friend in Indiana. They were sent in early December and have never arrived.
Not as well as an item from Australia that arrived in 10 days and was traceable the whole way with a comparable postage charge.
Going out shortly but will give it a listen soon.

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Mine came through letterbox in Southern UK today.
Came via France - no doubt slowed down by Brexit!!!

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Why, when I import my Dave's Picks into i-tunes or my HDD I can never get three "album" titles that are the same. Always need post import editing. Who is out there taking the p*** 😂😎

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Why did it t sell out so quickly? a scam? I was caught napping and am pissed at myself and at the scalpers on eBay.

Shame about missing out DaP 1 in vinyl. I knew they'd go fast since the cd version is up to like 600 bucks!!!!

I laugh when I see the vinyl on ebay claiming "in stock"!!! Not even out yet. Price is crazy.

But have you seen the prices on complete Dave's and Dick's picks? 4k!!

But I did get 2 copies of 3/1/69 vinyl,,,, screwed up in ordering, figure I sit on it for a while and see what happens.

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RIP PJ, and thanks for your gentle good humour, and a nod to the old National Lampoon, for being an often laugh-out-loud read!

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40 years ago today , I was at the Warfield Theatre for another great night with the Good Ole Grateful Dead. The Dead played a great show, a great way to kick off 1982. It turned out to be a great year for Dead shows, with shows at the Greek, Frost,( 10/9 & 10/82 my favorite shows of the year), Ventura( always a blast), Veneta, Oregon, and a year end blow out at the Oakland Auditorium in December. Crazy fun times.

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I see the RSD list is out. 5LP set of Wembley Empire Pool 4/8/72 by GD for those who are interested.

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Not sure if it's been mentioned here, next RSD releases will include 4/8/1972(yes, Thee Grateful Dead...) on 5 LPs.
(never mind...just saw Colin's post...)

Last 5:

Ruby & the Romantics: Greatest Hits
Royalettes: Gonna Take a Miracle
Celtic Frost: Into the Pandemonium
Slayer: South of Heaven
Brenda Lee: By Request

Did you get charged the same fees as before, or did going through Switzerland and France first not result in fees?

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No charge for Dave's 41
However still battling with UPS to get refund for St Louis box set.
Latest update - must wait 30 days after providing full bank details
To anyone else not had refund you have to keep hassling them
I'll let you know when i finally get money

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5466 just arrived in Scotland. Came via France with no charges. Happy daze. Need to save my pennies now for the RSD Dead & Jerry vinyl releases.

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Received my copy on Tuesday, additional tax EUR 4,18 and handling fee EUR 6,00.

Last five:
Blues Project - Blues Project LP
Gov't Mule - Red Rocks 09/14/18 4-CD
Neil Young - Barn LP
Pearl Jam - New York 3/16/92 2-CD
Rolling Stones - Cuba 3/25/16 2-CD

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