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    You can listen to Grateful Dead records over and over again and never understand the attraction they have for certain people until you attend one of their concerts. Sometime during the Dead's usual five-hour set, it will all click: Jerry Garcia's Indian bead string of notes on the guitar, the ozone ooze of the vocal harmonies, the shifting, shuffling rhythm of bassist Phil Lesh and drummer Bill Kreutzmann, and the distant echo of the oldest of American folk music. - Columbia Flier

    "Certain people" will know that we're coming in hot with one that's got all these things and more, DAVE’S PICKS VOLUME 41: BALTIMORE CIVIC CENTER, BALTIMORE, MARYLAND, 5/26/77. Yes, there's still plenty of spectacular May '77 to go around. Nearly chosen for Dave's Picks Vol. 1, 5/26/77 delivers three-fold. There's one count for the energy - all the precision of the Spring tour conjuring up the raw power of the Fall tour that was to come. There's another for the setlist which featured beloved songs from WORKINGMAN'S DEAD and soon-to-be favorites from the freshly recorded TERRAPIN STATION. And a third for its element of surprise (or shall we say surprises) from an astonishingly peak 15-minute "Sugaree" to new delights ("Sunrise," "Passenger," "Jack-A-Roe') to a rare first-set finale of "Bertha" to the second set's "Terrapin>Estimated>Eyes," traveling leaps and bounds towards the improvisational journey that is a nearly 17-minute "Not Fade Away." 

    Limited to 25,000 numbered copies, DAVE’S PICKS VOLUME 41: BALTIMORE CIVIC CENTER, BALTIMORE, MARYLAND, 5/26/77 was recorded by Betty Cantor-Jackson and has been mastered to HDCD specs by Jeffrey Norman at Mockingbird Mastering. Grab a copy while you can.

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  • alvarhanso
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    DaP 40 was DAT master I think

    Believe that one came from the DAT 2 track master, not a cassette. I would have less of a problem with DAT masters than cassette masters. Some of those cassettes do not sound good, and most are the PA mix and so are missing elements such as Phil Lesh's bass. But even with that, they felt they had to mix in an AUD for crowd noise. The crowd noise on DaP 36 was a bit too much, the Matrix mix could have dampened that a bit. DaP 8 was a good Matrix, though I can't tell you the last time I put it on, even just the Scarlet Fire. The completist (and bargain hunter) in me will make me subscribe every year, but there have been several lately I just don't think I'll be picking up to put on even every couple years. Even DaP 23 1/22/78 is one I don't listen to often. If I want a '78 show, I'm more apt to dig into July '78. Going to more cassette masters might change my calculus. And if they're gonna do an 80s-90s box, I would hope it would be DAT masters or multitracks like Spring '90 TOO. Fall '89 was recorded on multitrack, so that I could be far happier with than a box that has shows that sound like the worst of 30 Trips. Just hope we have years before we really reach the dregs at the bottom.

    Also, I'd much rather some of the 60s stuff gets put out while those fans are still around and still enjoying Dead releases.

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    GD Trading Cards

    I wonder if these will have the same value as my Pokémon cards? I recently sold ONE 1st Edition Charizard for mid 6 figures, I'm still in a state of shock over it.

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    Okay Hendrixfreak, I will mark it.

    I like the way your mind works. Are you sure you are not an accountant?

    We also had some cassette masters released in the Dick's picks series and previous Dave's picks as well as the 30 Trips box.

    Any thoughts on why the last box hasn't sold yet? How long do you think it will take?

    I do think we will get an 80s box released this year. Just would love to know when.

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    HF, I thoroughly enjoyed your detail-oriented (and scratch math-heavy) assessment;
    it had me nodding my own noggin along with it by the end.

    Give us some 85.
    I wish for April Twenty-Seventh, 1985 at The Frost please.
    To start.

    Sixtus

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    My theory...

    The lack of pertinent filler and the inclusion of a 1990 encore of US Blues (and other "clues") pushes me to look for a pattern and I think I see one.

    Last year, partly no doubt to reward Lemiuex for successful "legacy management" -- and, obviously, the evidence: a solid sales record --- Rhino gave DL the green light to put out his first two shows ('87) in a four-disc set based on a cassette master. Same thing with the '90 show, sans the encore. So far, historically speaking, they've been loathe to release more '80s shows due to the quality of the cassette masters. So 2021 was a test of cassette master viability in the market.

    Now Dave speaks of "variety," which tells me that he and Rhino believe they can sell the music on the '80s cassette masters. No doubt there's smokin' music on many extant '80s cassettes -- many if not most of us caught smokin' '80s shows (particularly '80 to ... you choose the year their batting average dropped). So into the release mix they go. Those DPs sold out, right?

    Compared to other bands' archival releases, '80s cassette masters of GD shows probably hold up pretty well. In terms of what the GD have released, it would be a drop in sound quality. Fans like us might bitch, initially, but will we buy it? I believe that this year they will construct a box set of these shows and its sales will be the arbiter of whether this strategy works over time. Part of the appeal of DPs, for me, is that they're relatively inexpensive and, lately, two of four will be pretty vintage -- I'm not going to risk losing out on them, especially the bonus disc. $100/yr is nothing. And if I don't care for a box, I won't buy it. I skipped the '90s boxes because I don't need to have it all. But the relentlessness of releases means that we already have a phenomenal record of this band's ability to deliver. If in a few years the market's enthusiasm begins to wane, they can dial back the number of copies in the limited DP series.

    What's the advantage to testing the market-ability of '80s cassette masters? They have nothing to lose but one slow-selling box. They have a limited number of iconic shows in the Vault. Though somewhat plentiful, release-able shows from 1971-1979, say, are finite. By my count, they've delivered nearly half of all shows played in the 1971-1974 period, so well over half the release-able goods. Ultimately, if they plan to have their releases hold up for another, say, 15 years, they've got to mine the '80s. 15 yrs of DPs = 75 shows. 15 yrs of 6-show boxes = 90 shows. Toss in a few random releases and that's ~175 shows. Say the years 1971 to 1974 will still yield ~15-20 shows each (max). That's 60-80 shows. Say there's another 10 from '69 that'll work and 20 each from 1976 to 1979. That's another 80. That's pretty close to the max needed. Although I think DL has remarked about "20" years (add another 50 shows to release). Say we have ~200 shows already. Add another ~200 shows and that's closing in on one-third of the 1,500 shows rumored to be in the vaults. That's a big percentage. Dipping into the '80s cassettes gives them a lot of breathing room and would make the choice stuff that's left sound even better by comparison.

    Mark my words: look for the box set annoucement this summer and we'll see just exactly how addled I really am!

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    And Now Trading Cards?

    But the glassware is still there. I guess cards make sense. A rabid base of collectors what with sports and other categories. Can't wait to see how sky high those go on Fleabay soon. Wonder how many of those they printed?
    Cheers

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    Gone, all gone

    Looks like it took about 24 hours to sell out.

  • stillwaters
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    I concur both in reasoning and conclusions

  • alvarhanso
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    Filler? That's it?

    Just one song? Just the US Blues from 13 years later? And 45 min of blank space? Why even bother putting a US Blues on there? None of the 5/22/77 material that was left off of DP3 is usable? Makes no sense to me. The Jack Straw, Ship of Fools and Other One> Stella Blue 5/18/77 could have fit, unless that show is a potential DaP, but that's why I allowed myself to hope that some of the missing 5/22 material would be used. Shame.

    The Sugaree from this show is fantastic, and I liked the 2nd set Jam. The Jack a Roe sounds fantastic in the listening party, and love Jerry's use of the Octave Divider and MuTron on Uncle John's, a great sound.

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    According to the crack customer service team at dead dot net, there is only one way to handle address changes. You must contact customer service and have the subscription address changed to:

    JimInMD
    Baltimore Civic Center, Box 1968
    Baltimore, MD 21211

    (or you could do as Sixtus suggests, up to you) :D

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You can listen to Grateful Dead records over and over again and never understand the attraction they have for certain people until you attend one of their concerts. Sometime during the Dead's usual five-hour set, it will all click: Jerry Garcia's Indian bead string of notes on the guitar, the ozone ooze of the vocal harmonies, the shifting, shuffling rhythm of bassist Phil Lesh and drummer Bill Kreutzmann, and the distant echo of the oldest of American folk music. - Columbia Flier

"Certain people" will know that we're coming in hot with one that's got all these things and more, DAVE’S PICKS VOLUME 41: BALTIMORE CIVIC CENTER, BALTIMORE, MARYLAND, 5/26/77. Yes, there's still plenty of spectacular May '77 to go around. Nearly chosen for Dave's Picks Vol. 1, 5/26/77 delivers three-fold. There's one count for the energy - all the precision of the Spring tour conjuring up the raw power of the Fall tour that was to come. There's another for the setlist which featured beloved songs from WORKINGMAN'S DEAD and soon-to-be favorites from the freshly recorded TERRAPIN STATION. And a third for its element of surprise (or shall we say surprises) from an astonishingly peak 15-minute "Sugaree" to new delights ("Sunrise," "Passenger," "Jack-A-Roe') to a rare first-set finale of "Bertha" to the second set's "Terrapin>Estimated>Eyes," traveling leaps and bounds towards the improvisational journey that is a nearly 17-minute "Not Fade Away." 

Limited to 25,000 numbered copies, DAVE’S PICKS VOLUME 41: BALTIMORE CIVIC CENTER, BALTIMORE, MARYLAND, 5/26/77 was recorded by Betty Cantor-Jackson and has been mastered to HDCD specs by Jeffrey Norman at Mockingbird Mastering. Grab a copy while you can.

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....live for the first time in support of Ukraine.
Last Twelve.
Skull & Roses Festival artists.
Circles Around The Sun and Pink Talking Fish personal highlights beyond the obvious choices.
Booked my hotel for Tedeschi Trucks Band in Red Rocks today.
Mrs. Vguy gave me her blessings. "Have fun. Be safe. Come back in one piece."
She knows I've wanted to go there since we were dating circa 1997.
Got Billy Strings this Fryday @ The Brooklyn Bowl.
Speaking of awesome venues, there's this place called The Caverns in Tennessee. Any of you ever visit? Looks neat.

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Proudfoot, I have some surplus C-4 plastic left over from my tripline rigged cat. converter jobber. Just pick up the priority mail package very carefully.

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....on utuube. Kevin Tobin.
Just do it.
Go. What are you waiting for? The "effects" during Sugaree are priceless....
I love surprises, and this is a good one.
Baked Alaska Box.

Effects, priceless. But what makes them all possible is the miracle known as "the steady cam".

Really though, great recording soundwize,,, Baked Alaska would make a fine release!!

Do it Dave!!!!

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while checking on something saw on ebay someone selling every Dave's AND the PNW box set for the incredible low price of 7500 bucks!!!!!!

I always wonder, are people getting these prices?!?!?!?

At least I can always show my wife the fine investment I've made to our retirement fund!

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One that made me do my best Danny Thomas spit take was seeing the price of $165 for the empty box, no kidding, the empty cardboard box that the PNW set came in...Really? Never checked to see if it sold...

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People are saving the Shipping Boxes???

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Has anyone checked out how much the 72' record box shipping would be? It's 28 lbs.. I'm guessing around $60.

Greetings Dennis,
when using eBay, you can check what stuff sold for by locating and clicking the boxes on the left margin (after searching specific items) for "completed sales" or "sold" items, words to that effect. Doing that, one can see that recently for example, some Daves Picks Vol 1 sets did sell for $350-450 or so, plus shipping and tax on top. $150 for a CD seems a bit steep to me...

....I still have all mine except the May '77 one. The missus used it to mail a package to our daughter years ago and she threw it away before I realized what had happened. Oh well. Dead World problems.

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People are something else... as a response to the horror in Ukraine, I am seeing so much beauty and love put forth by so many from many nations... Julian Lennon, David Gilmour, so many artists are contributing what they can.

It's like the light side/dark side of the coin. I guess the thread just needs to play out. There's something whack about humanity. Whether it's the angel on one shoulder or the devil on his other, one of them needs to take V. Putin out.

Last 5:

Audioslave - Revelations
Harry Skoler - Living in Sound: The Music of Charles Mingus (I have an advance copy!)
Bachman-Turner Overdrive - Not Fragile
The Rolling Stones - Still Life American Concert 1981
Jimi Hendrix - People, Hell & Angels

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....not sure if you're a Gov't Mule fan, but they are playing Flagstaff on June 12th. Vegas shortly after.
Edit. They only way Putin gets taken out is via the route of an inside hit. My 2 hits.

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...for the heads up...unfortunately I start a new gig in a few weeks working Fridays to Mondays starting at 5:00 AM...I see that they're playing the Brooklynn Bowl in Vegas...great venue...saw the Lobos there once and stayed across the walk at the hotel there...so great not having to drive anywhere after a gig...also took Señora Nappy to see one of her faves, Steve Winwood, there...thanks again...

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Carlo - Shipping cost me 8 bucks for the 24 lp box,,,, tax was 47.

Chuck - I save all the boxes also,,, my wife will bitch about the pile. If insurance agent dropped by he'd probably cancel my homeowners for the fire hazard.

Big B - waiting for my 41 glass also AND watching for 42 to be announced.

Nappy - you may have lost the youth with the Danny Thomas reference, literally.

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I might have read this incorrectly.. but I think the original box all this started from might have been the actual PNW Totem Box, not the shipping box. I could be wrong, and I don't think the box is worth the $200 or whatever they are asking, but it's a pretty cool looking box set 'box'. I've got mine looming over the big screen looking down at me as I write this next to a couple of the Dave's Picks overpriced by cool highball glasses (or whatever they are). Useless swag that somehow is appealing (channeling WMD hatchet).

Dennis, after we collectively begin to pass on to the next adventure in the afterlife, all us folks at dead net are going to begin the canonization process for your wife. She is a saint, we will make sure the world knows it. As for witnessing a miracle, I am personally aware of several times she made the credit card bill go away, which saved you great personal harm, thinking specifically 30 trips around the sun, E72 travel trunk, etc. I'm sure we all have plenty of documentation and validate her trip into sainthood.

While I completely appreciate the sentiment behind Julian's song choice, not sure it was the best choice. I'm pretty sure John said "Imagine" was basically the communist manifesto. Which would have made it a poor choice given the fact it was sung in support of Ukraine.

Maybe it's just me.

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Saved all my boxes in case I ever need to store them from display. Have all the ones typically CD size in bookshelf with the DPs, RTs, DaPs, GRs in chronological order. Also if I ever need to sell, might be an added bonus.

They charged me $25 to ship Lyseum LPs across the continent, (if coming out of the west coast).

Last 5+2:

78-04-13 30 Trips Providence Civic Center
72-04-11 E'72 Newcastle City Hall
Aladdin Sane David Bowie
All Things Must Pass George Harrison
Amnesiac Radiohead
72-04-08 E'72 Wembley Empire Pool
72-04-07 E'72 Wembley Empire Pool

Been sticking to vinyl and T-shirts for non-cd stuff with the exception of the WMD apron which is great for using when I'm BBQ'n and Pizza cooking. Wood've loved the hatchet to cut the wood for the pizza oven!!!

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I too have a fire hazard in one corner of the studio from accumulated shipping boxes. Amazing how well-designed many of them are – bordering on functional origami.

and sez:

Hey, how about a fall '72 box this year, eh?

Then he cannonballs into the bar's Olympic-sized pool, just to get attention. Then he dries off, looks around, and sez:

WTF?! Isn't ANYONE gonna give me a yea or a nay??

Ok, I know I'm old and "metrics" are all the rage for baseball BUT....taking Clayton Kershaw out of the game after he threw 7 perfect innings and had 13 strike outs to boot is something I can't handle....fuck...

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Paul Butterfield was on the game show, To tell the Truth, just type in, Paul Butterfield to tell the truth. He actually gets up and plays the harp. One of my favorite harp players.

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Nappy.........I feel your pain, I grew up in Philly and Robin Roberts had 33 complete games one year. It is a different game and it is changing every year

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Happy 78th Birthday to Mr. Jack "Bad Ass" Casady!!! Such a monster player and all around great person....

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If a divorced parsley farmer falls behind on child support can you garnish his wages?

Okay, Hendrixfreak, still love your passion for fall 72, but didn't we just have three 72 shows in the last box?
I don't see it.

Would love to see Dave surprise us with something completely new, but old patterns die hard. Oh and don't forget the shorts Hendrixfreak!

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Maybe they will release the same shows that were in the box last year, but this time on vinyl. Presented in a newly designed, super deluxe, cardboard box.

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Hey Nappy, Thanks for the birthday wishes for Jack. Maybe I am too old to resist another back in the day comment... but they are next door to being homies. I grew up just outside of DC in Maryland, Jack and Jorma lived across the street from each other around two miles away, but they were in DC so they went to a different high school, Woodrow Wilson. And they were a little older but they were jamming back in junior high and had a band, The Triumphs in high school. My only knowledge of them then was through a mutual friend who also lived in DC and went to their school. Have seen them a bunch, last show was acoustic at a beautiful old opera house in central Vermont, Jack was playing a gorgeous custom instrument. The line to meet and greet after the show was way too long, so wrote to their publicist afterwards and asked about it. Two days later, a personal response came from Jack describing it and how there was a lock of his dearly beloved wife's hair inside. May go see them over in Plymouth NH in a few weeks, if not out of town.

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In the photos from inside Live Dead, Jack Cassady is guy who is laying face down on the ground in the one photo where the Dead are all sitting on the car.

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So my actual thought process (read: mind spasm) was that
a) Dave once said that a fall '72 box "would happen someday"
b) It's 2022 this year
c) a fall '72 box would sell like hot cakes
d) it's counterintuitive, but last year's (3) '72 shows wouldn't stop Dave/Rhino from scoring $$

Still, there's that pesky question of how often I've predicted the box to come. It's about 1 in 1,000. So there's that.

At least I'm sticking my neck out. What's YOUR prediction?? Anyone?? They're not going to stop with E72 vinyl...

And yes, long live Jack and Jorma! Been catching their shows since ~1975. Last show I saw at Boulder Theater ~27 Feb 2020. The Before Times.

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Hendrixfreak,
Alpine Valley East Troy Wisconsin
Three shows from 1987
Four shows from 1988
Three shows from 1989 with Blu-ray.

Has to be coming out at some point, why not this year.

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Anything certainly is possible and Dave spoke of "something different," which of course could mean Rhino gets into selling frozen salmon...

So I tout fall '72 cuz that was the period of my first show.

What do Alpine Valley performances do for you? Favorite tapes or did you attend a shit-ton of shows there?

Funny you mention those years, because after 3 shows at Red Rocks and 2 shows in Telluride in '87 I voluntarily stepped off the bus after 15+ years. Of course, I timed it so I had caught every single Red Rocks GD show they ever played. Just got a tad burned out on the scene and Jer had faltered, etc.

Anyone else dare to play the 2022 box GUESS WHAT game?

I thought the Alpine Valley shows were recorded in glorious multi-track. Then again, I could be wrong..

If not, Healy recorded them and most of the Healy era appear to be in the vault. Downhill From Here is certainly not a cassette master and I do believe these shows are in the vault. If you don't trust me, feel free to ask someone that really knows. :D

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For christmas season

Some 89 tour

....just ask my St. Louis Box.
Also a fan of regional boxes. Just ask my PNW Box.
Anchorage mini-box one day.
Or a VEGAS BOX?
Lot of artists that sat in during those shows though. To much appreciation of the crowd. Musical rights will hinder it and will probably never happen. But one can dream....
I got Billy Strings tomorrow. My body and mind are ready. Probably my last chance to catch him at a relatively small venue. Dude is lightning in a bottle. He caught me off guard last year. Not this time.
Edit. Marlins win their home opener and the Golden Knights are crushing my old team. Vegas needs W's.
Phish is playing on 4.20. MSG delayed New Years run.
I'm making bacon. AKA meat candy.
Insert Homer Simpsons mouth drool gif HERE.

Hendrixfreak, yes, as Jim said, 89 was recorded in multi-track and those three shows in July might be the best of the July run. Although, it is all relative as July 89 was all so good.
I would think they have 87 and 88 as well, but those most likely are not multi track.
So, I did see all the shows there 87-89 and 86.
The post coma shows and the return of Jerry to me were the time of my life. Alpine was probably the best outdoor venue in the Midwest at the time. They allowed camping back then and it was so great. I think they really enjoyed playing there and they were able to stay in Lake Geneva and helicopter to the venue. A real experience. If you don't have Downhill from Here, it is worth grabbing a copy. More stories to come when the box gets released, don't want to bore you too much now.

And yes Vguy, bring on Alaska 80!

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So fall '72 is near and dear to me because I caught my first show (9-19-72) exactly one month after turning 15. Having listened for the prior year to WD, AB and Skull & Roses, the new E72 music kinda mystified me. (The E72 album didn't come out til November.)

Word (can't recall my source) is that this show is in the vault but lacking the first reel. So I'm keen to find out if it resides among the mystery reels in possession of the OSF. Perhaps I'm not the only one. When a "new" '68 tape (3 reels) shows up, hope springs eternal.

Fortunately, so far, TPTB have released seven shows I attended, just under 10% of the shows I caught. What an odd flashback-laden memento... Certainly, the juxtaposition of that 15-year-old lad loose in a minor league ballpark with 20,000 tripping freaks to the 64-year-old in smoking jacket, listening to the music of 50 years ago, could produce the basic plot for a Twilight Zone episode.

But I digress. I did not catch the GD in '89, but the one official video I've seen, Jer is killing it and physically animated. So the attraction of Alpine '89 is clear, even to this addled crunch-o.

Well, first up is Feb '74 and then I'd guess a delayed box announcement as they flog the '72 vinyl. Wouldn't surprise me if this year's box doesn't land until fall, which would mean a summer pre-order. Hey, I'm in no rush, at this age... but, yeah, the annual mystery always intrigues me.

P.S. the "I'm not a robot" thing-y must be getting suspicious that I'm an evil algorithm, because it made me take like three tests: fire hydrants, then chimneys x 2. They'll never catch me!

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I notice the new limited edition print from Garcia Family Provisions comes on acid free paper! Surely a missed opportunity?

I’ve just started reading ‘Bill Frisell Beautiful Dreamer’ More comments when I finish it, which could be a while since it’s about 500 pages long.

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