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    One more Saturday night at Winterland! Yes, we're back to home base for DAVE'S PICKS VOLUME 42, the complete show from Winterland, San Francisco, 2/23/74. The one that featured the earliest amalgamation of what would soon become the Wall of Sound, the one that is so "loud, clear, and defined," it's been ripe for release for quite some time and we're glad it's finally getting its due.

    First set or second, there are no wrong answers here. From the unique show opener of Chuck Berry's "Around And Around" and an incredible "Here Comes Sunshine" that would then disappear for 18 years, to a medley of WAKE OF THE FLOOD tracks - "Row Jimmy," "Weather Report Suite," and "Stella Blue" - cementing their status in the canon and an unstoppable hour through the classic 1973-1974 Dead that is “He’s Gone”>“Truckin’”>“Drums”>“The Other One”>“Eyes Of The World,” it's all exceptionally hot.

    Limited to 25,000 numbered copies, DAVE’S PICKS VOLUME 42: WINTERLAND, SAN FRANCISCO, 2/23/74 was recorded by Kidd Candelario and has been mastered to HDCD specs by Jeffrey Norman at Mockingbird Mastering. Grab a copy while you can.

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    High energy, bitches

  • Vguy72
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    ....I really don't know where to start regarding the lore, but it gets deep. But, I do know where to start regarding getting into them. A Live One or New Years '95. Check em out. I'll refund your time somehow if you don't get IT. And we all know what IT is.
    King Gizzard are pretty cool. They can't be pigeonholed into a certain category, and I can appreciate that. So many awesome sounds. Reminds me a little of The Flaming Lips. A little.

  • proudfoot
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    Zappa?

    Start with "we're only in it for the money"

    I like a lot of his stuff, but therez plenty of meh, in my opinionionionionionion

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    I totally agree with you on Phish. Don’t know where to start on their library, and I haven’t been able to connect with much I listened to. Zappa, I have just never much cared for, but I respect folks like his body of work.
    PS - Grant Green was a fine guitarist, and a big influence on Walter Becker - the similarity in their tone and touch is incredible!

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    That video with Trey and the little girl.

    You know, we humans might be capable of every sort of atrocity, and we might leave the Earth to a smoking cinder by the time we extinct ourselves (along with half the life on our planet), but we had our moments, didn't we? There were times when we came together to sing songs and dance and love each other and created beauty just for joy of it. Maybe that's enough? Maybe it doesn't matter (anyway).

    That video made my day. Almost makes me want to check out Phish, which, sad to say, I've never really done.

    Ever been kind of afraid to dive into a band or a musician, because you know that have such a deep catalogue and so many obsessive fans and so much lore? I know people who feel like that about the Dead. I kinda feel that way about Zappa: know lots of good people who love him, obsess over him, have to have every scrap of music they can get. And it kinda scares me off. Like, where would I begin? Where would it end?

    Glad to see King Gizz get some love. Those guys are just ridiculously prolific, and they love to confound all notions of musical genre, so they're had to pin down, but when they're in garage psych mode (as they usually are live) I really like them. Check out I'm in Your Mind Fuzz or maybe Polygondawandaland if you're curious. Or better yet Live in San Francisco.

    Last five:

    GOGD: DiP 31
    Miles Davis: Filles de Kilimanjaro
    Charles Mingus: Mingus Dynasty
    Ty Segall: Freedom's Goblin
    Grant Green: Grant's First Stand

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    birthday anniversary yesterday. Sure wish him and Jerry were still around.

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    MIKE: just some self deprecating humor there, the best kind!
    Funny I don’t recall 2001 so much, but have cool memories of 1996. Had just move here that winter and we’re watching up in the hills at one of my cousins west of Boulder so we had to go back down and through Boulder on our way home at the time east of town. Even at that late hour there were nuts partying in the streets, people were driving around hoking horns in the middle of the night, it’s was wild and such a good feeling to finally be a “winner” after all the frustrating Buffalo years. If they can pull it off Friday, gonna be a big pa-teh in the city fo sho! Not so sure about the state, these folks aren’t quite the Hockey fans we are. Now I don’t get out much but I haven’t seen or heard anyone out here in the boonies talking about it which is sad.
    But hey, don’t cha know I’ll be ready!

    ISTSHOW: I read about that show, the bad ole daze of Colorado concerts. Heard/read about the crazy Folsom field shows BITD too. Must of been a gas! My first stadium show was quite the eye opener for a 15 year old: Bob Welch, Pablo Cruise, Foreigner, and Fleetwood Mac at the Ralph.I can still picture Stevie and Lindsey Glaring at each other as they sang and LB breaking strings he was playing so hard during Go Your Own Way, like they fully meant it lol. Great R&R!
    My Biggest crowd/Concert was Woodstock 94, surreal how many people were there!

    DAVEROCK: generally two kinds of loud: dbs, and ear damage due to sustained distortion and/or shitty sound.
    You can cause hearing damage often accompanied by ringing/not being able to hear temporarily at low DB if the sound is distorted. Sustained exposure to things like power tools etc can cause permanent hearing damage much more easily than just loud dbs if the sound is clean. This is science not opinion. Plenty of Dan Healy on this out there.
    I owned some of the same equipment and worked for a band that had a smaller version of the wall, so can attest that though the music is often not too loud (you can talk to your buddy etc) normally, but during peaks in the music things can get very loud, and because it’s so clean you don’t realize it like Simon said. I’ve had stereos like that too.
    But as good as the wall was, I’ve read every member of the team has stated over the years that the Meyers PA that they used in the late 80s etc could get way louder and was cleaner than the wall due to technological advances, including scale as it was now more practical to have increased and improved amps, speakers etc than the wall, and that it could sound better! Yes the wall was awesome, but it’s more about the historic significance about the innovation of what and when they created all this new tech, and the myth that has been built around it. I’ve experienced the Meyers PA hundreds of times where it WAS so loud but clean that you couldn’t easily hear your buddy, but didn’t realize it until you tried! Of course this can present a different and perhaps more dangerous hearing situation as you could actually do permanent damage and not even know it until it’s too late! The Meyers system had that potential but luckily Healy and co knew better.

    Most of the “rock” bands I saw had horrible sound because it was too distorted AND too damn loud. Saw The Who the day after those poor folks died in Cincinnati in December 79 and they had what I believe, but didn’t know of at the time, was a Meyers PA, but it was being used improperly and was ridiculously loud and shrill (all high end etc).
    It literally made the concert hard to enjoy!
    Yes, yet another one of the many unknown but awesome things the Dead did: basically invent good concert sound reinforcement that has changed the entire industry!

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    Integral to the transition from pop from the Brill building to soul and rock & roll of the 60s. Still some of my favorite hits. Stevie Wonder a great example of that transitional period.
    The Way You Do The Things You Do and How Sweet It Is - JGB staples.
    Remembering my older sister and friends perfecting their dance moves to Motown on the big mono system Dad built. The Alligator dance craze where one dives head first to the floor in a push-up move. Quite athletic and the girls made the floor shake doing that one.
    Glad you're digging it DR!
    Cheers

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    Sounds as though it was superb, and very conducive to the music being played. Provided not too many people took the option of talking to their mates, of course. As you probably know, with Sabbath, Purple and their ilk, not only couldn't you hear your mates in the hall-you couldn't hear them on the bus on the way home either.

    As side trip, I am getting a bit lost in the world of 1960s Motown at the moment, which I have never listened to before. I bought the Complete Singles 1967 box a while back, to go with the "Detroit 67 The Year That Changed Soul" book by Stuart Cosgrove that I was reading. So good, I decided to get the 1965 box. Then the 1963 one. And now the much coveted 1966 box arrived this morning. Great, great singles. Once I get the 1964 one-and maybe the 1968 one - I will call it quits.

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    My first big outdoor show. Sun Day #1 on 6-23-74 with ABB, Marshall Tucker, Steve Miler, Elvin Bishop, and Wet Willie at Mile High Stadium. And the ABB set had a Whipping Post!
    All in their prime, albeit lacking Duane. May still stand as the biggest crowd at a show I attended. Second largest was likely the Hard Rain tour at Ft. Collins Hughes Stadium the next summer. Dylan and The Beach Boys. Weird bill but a fantastic show. I don't even come close to some of you guys! Like Monterey Pop, Englishtown, etc. but a good time was had by all despite the warm beer.
    Cheers

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One more Saturday night at Winterland! Yes, we're back to home base for DAVE'S PICKS VOLUME 42, the complete show from Winterland, San Francisco, 2/23/74. The one that featured the earliest amalgamation of what would soon become the Wall of Sound, the one that is so "loud, clear, and defined," it's been ripe for release for quite some time and we're glad it's finally getting its due.

First set or second, there are no wrong answers here. From the unique show opener of Chuck Berry's "Around And Around" and an incredible "Here Comes Sunshine" that would then disappear for 18 years, to a medley of WAKE OF THE FLOOD tracks - "Row Jimmy," "Weather Report Suite," and "Stella Blue" - cementing their status in the canon and an unstoppable hour through the classic 1973-1974 Dead that is “He’s Gone”>“Truckin’”>“Drums”>“The Other One”>“Eyes Of The World,” it's all exceptionally hot.

Limited to 25,000 numbered copies, DAVE’S PICKS VOLUME 42: WINTERLAND, SAN FRANCISCO, 2/23/74 was recorded by Kidd Candelario and has been mastered to HDCD specs by Jeffrey Norman at Mockingbird Mastering. Grab a copy while you can.

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First comment!
Psyched for this one, wish we knew bonus tracks?

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I see someone's unfamiliar with the GD: "listening party" says 1971.

c'mon...

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So great skating on a fresh sheet of ice, or writing on a fresh comment board!

Great set, great artwork, from a truly great band!

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I think it was announced way back as
US Blues
It Must Have been the Roses
Playing
Ship of Fools
China > Rider
Uncle Johns Band
I think three are first time performances
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glad you got your glass I got one too since I was shut out a few issues ago
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Listen to the open of “Here Comes Sunshine” and to hear Donna immediately go off key just ruins it. They could keep her honest in the studio but live, forget about it. Saw many shows of that era. It was always a relief when she left the stage. It’s a shame, that was peak musically for them

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I also would like to thank Rhino & Warner Music Group for getting Dave a new camera. I know it's primary use is for business promotional purposes & I hope it serves that function well......In all seriousness I am thankful for all these releases, but I really do not care that it took a year for Rhino to upgrade Dave's equipment. If anything that's somewhat ridiculous. Sorry if I'm killing the positive vibes here. I am very much looking forward to receiving this release & I have no beef with David L.

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....I'm in.

And, the glass.

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That's a shame for something thats limited. Why not one each?

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I'm in (w/ the bonus disc). I'm not going to be caught at the next get together without my Winterland '74 highball glass. As for '74 (and I guess the glass too), If it makes you happy, it can't be that bad.

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Can I get this on vinyl?

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Can I get this on vinyl?

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Let's do this!!!!
ALWAYS PLAY DEAD
PLAY DEAD LOUD

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First year subscriber. Odd putting that US Blues from another era in the middle of the show, but that pick 41 was fantastic! This one looks great too. I miss the days of buying albums and now stream most of my music that is not on my 60 gig iPod (yeah I’m old). So it is a treat to get a cd in the mail, crank it up, have a beer, read the liner notes, etc. Can’t wait til 42 arrives. Thanks Dave.

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That was easy enough. I saw a lot of great shows in Winterland. Hopefully , one of the next 2 Dave's Picks will be from 1970 or earlier.

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Love to see what the bonus cover is like - hopefully a close-up of the ship with the WOS in the Rigging - reminds me of the "No Friggin' in the Riggin'" T-Shirt I had childhood adolescence.

Totally regret reacting slow on the Thelma T, sold out when I went to pull the trigger. That one is awesome, wish there was a reprint...

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Glass ordered.

If I read right, are you only getting the bonus disc is you subscribe, not if you buy ala carte?

The listening party sounds GREAT, shame some Donna shaming already.

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gimme gimme gimme.

Sixtus good seeing you.

That Mike: did you get the Allman's FoxBox? If you did, hope you enjoyed...

Great stuff - 1974 is one of my favourite years. As I understand it, the bonus disc is only for people who subscribe, which rules me out as I bought mine a la carte. But that's alright, mama, that's alright with me.

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Yes, I did get the Allman’s Fox Box, and it Rox!

I remember you mentioned you saw these shows - I’ll bet the ABB just rocked that old theatre, because they sound like fantastic recordings!

Oro - nice job hitting the ice first!! Touché, sir!

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.... I can hear the WOS all the way over here in Michigan. Sounds great! :-D

Too bad it will take three months for the glass to catch up.

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Part of the 2022 subscription. If you didn’t order the subscription, you can order it now a la carte

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I usually hit the ice first…face first that is ; )

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If this is not bull crap what is - the bonus disc used to be pre - order , now it is subscription based ? wow how the capitalists scum bags have stolen the ethos of the Grateful Dead - free concerts being sold is cool,someone had to remix them OK , a bonus disc for pre orders is an encouragement to order early, FINE
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- a bonus disc only for subscriptions is BULL SH*T 100% elitist and ugly - I hope you guys are paying the families of the tapers for the recordings if every penny is being collected - DEAD.net is now as ugly as TRUMP.ORG - are you going to sell membership cards next ?

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From my cassette/Internet Archive digitization project:
GOGD Red Rocks 9/8/83
GOGD Watsonville 9/25/83 - a great outdoor show with an awesome China Rider.
Digitizing for a friend:
Fela and his 35 piece afro-beat orchestra, Berkeley Community Theater 11/14/86

GOGD St Louis 10/29/73 - Powerful Eyes of the World into China Doll
The Byrds - The Notorious Bird Brothers - a psychedelic masterpiece

I'm reading Chris Hillman's autobiography " Time Between" which inspired me to provide a Byrds music background. It's pretty good, and it's interesting to read his description of working and living with Gram Parson as they teamed up as the Burrito Brothers.

subscriptions were last year and it was an ok sale price but Dick's Picks has some lemons - I figured to avoid lemons like Edition #39 which was ugly - I would pre-order - but no bonus disc now, those are only for those that buy blindly into a subscription and is imho - UGLY and WRONG

Every member of the band is a millionaire and the road crew famously got paid well by the band - why are they squeezing us for every cent to get the music ?? pre order for a bonus disc - sure like the best seats in the house you have to be in line early - but subscription only - Does Bobby and the living members know about this ?? I doubt it - this is GREED

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Skyscraper - I hate to be the bearer of bad tidings, but it's no longer possible to take a subscription out for 2022. You can only do that for a limited period of time from when the first two releases in the series are named - 'round about November of the preceding year in question, I think.
Hey - how about this for a last 5 -
From Western Swing To Rock cd 1.........Bill Haley and various bands
Complete Motown Singles Volume 7 cd 4 - 1967.......Various
Jerry Lee Lewis at Sun Records Collected Works cd 11.........Jerry Lee Lewis
1st Album..........The Stooges
Stax Volt Singles 1959-1968 cd 2........Various

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Wow! That's one clear, and great sounding eyes. I can't wait for this one, and the bonus disk too. You have got to subscribe to get the whole enchilada.

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Recorded by Kidd from the 2/22/74 performance.

U.S. Blues
Must've Been the Roses
Playing in the Band
Ship o Fools
China Cat Sunflower >
I Know You Rider
Uncle John's Band

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Chill out on the corporate greed baloney. $99, and some change for 4 complete shows,and a bonus disk. It does not get any better for 4 live unreleased limited shows of luxurious music Xanadu.

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I decided to order the glass for the first time. Use it ? ........Display it ?........I got plenty of time to decide. I'll have to stay away from the chat until after I play #42 and the Bonus. I never check out any of the setlists before listening and already may know more that I want to. This is the 44th anniversary of the first Werewolves, and I was there. The only time I was at a "first time played" show. I also took some very nice black and white photos from the show, which I still have. Very cool to see how the band positions were different during tours.

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Ted

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I could be wrong, but I don't recall the bonus disc ever being included with pre-orders; always has been for subscribers only.
By the way, I just got off the phone with Bobby and he's fully aware of the situation; he doesn't care though, he bought his own subscription back in November to make sure he got the bonus disc.

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Seriously, now folks, anyone who can show up TODAY and whine about a 1974 release or find time to diss Donna Jean is really just a comment on their own miserable lives.

Can't you see the sign? NO POOPING HERE! And the fine print: If you must, do it in your own shorts.

Happy to have the show and bonus disc. Many thanks to the team for putting this out. Glad to see the usual crowd digging on what'll be a fantastic 5+ hours of prime GD.

That is all...

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Bonus Discs have been for Subscriptions only since the beginning.

Nice!!!

Lot of hardwork in digitizing, thanks for the effort.

Maybe one day I can hear some. 1983 on Archive?

G

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Recall that just eight months or so later, after this show, there was ample concern that the Dead were done and might not ever appear again, known now as the hiatus. Watched Grateful Dawg not long ago, it had been years, so refreshing, check it out if you have not seen it in a while. Though I stopped going to their shows after Lewiston 1980, I never stopped listening to the music. Thrilled to be at Dear Jerry, a place I had seen much music as a kid. Thankful to be on the bus for so much of what has been released. Every year at subscription time, I think of the large amount of GD music on the shelves and every year, I say hell no, I can't stop now.

For the most part, we are all here to celebrate music, especially the music we love so much. So... FYI, At the risk of presenting information that is a little stale, the following appeared in an industry publication over a year ago:

The Dead’s business brain trust is a collective of stakeholders including all the remaining band members (Lesh, Weir, Kreutzmann and Hart), represented by their individual managers; members of Garcia’s family (Marc Allan of Red Light Management oversees Garcia’s musical output); and the band’s management, Bernie Cahill at Activist Artists Management and industry veteran Kraig Fox. All are card-carrying Deadheads for whom preserving, not perverting, the legacy is paramount.

According to sources familiar with the band’s finances, the Dead could easily command $150 million for rights to its name, likeness and IP.

It’s proof positive that nostalgia factors greatly in the business of the Dead, not just emotionally but with a steady stream of products. “I find it super exciting,” says Mark Pinkus, president of Rhino Records, the Warner Music Group label that houses all of the Grateful Dead catalog. “The band is very unique in that it has iconography that is striking and timeless.”

There's a snapshot only, from an industry publication.

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Jeez I've read a lot of nonsensical comments so far...are these the grandchildren of the clown in the GD movie complaining about being filmed? they are so wrong (except about Donna of course) about it all....AND HAPPY BICYCLE DAY FOLKS!!! And thank you Dr. Hoffman....I will get my bonus disc as I am a subscriber and I also ordered one ala carte for one of my tech challenged buddies (we're old)...Hasta all...

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I have given enough money to the GD and should probably stop subscribing. I havent been in "the zone" for a few months now and have been finding GD tiresome.

And where in dafuq is 6 10 73?!?

But I will subscribe again. Elitist or not.

Someday the GD buzz will come back.

"The whole universe is completely insane!"

"Yep."

Mr. Natural

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Not trying to stir the pot but i don't know if the bonus disc info going around is correct. DL usually packs these babies with as much music as possible. The tracks listed here for bonus disc don't seem to fit that. Oh well, find out soon enough!! Stay Grateful....and yeah, subscribe!!!! Best deal around!

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I for one am thankful for all of these releases. Time and Time again I will listen to an official release and marvel at the sound quality they've engineered from old tapes. There are rough spots, but overall they are stunning. They sound better than they would have sounded 30 years ago, thanks to amazing computer technology. Sometimes I just shake my head in amazement (with tears in my eyes) that so much of this material was recorded and salvaged, and I feel fortunate that I can experience it in such quality, sitting by the pool with a buzz and a beer on a warm summer evening. All of this could have easily been ignored and lost......how lucky we are!

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my dog has no nose!

"No nose? How does she smell?"

Bloomin' awful!

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D bowie Lodger
D bowie Scary Monsters
Swans Cop

uhhhh....

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I know you were just trolling but I have to say…nothing. Enjoy your sad, meaningless life Skippy, Lord knows you deserve it!!

To everyone else…I missed the first bonus disc that came with the final year of Road Trips, and, dammit, I haven’t missed another one since. That’s called live and learn.
Someone was nice enough to burn me a copy, but I sure would love to have a physical copy. Maybe I’ll get lucky one day.
I’m excited to hear this show(and bonus), I’ve not heard it previously. Someone commented that there weren’t enough tracks to fill the bonus disc. 7 tracks is plenty, if that’s a 35 minute Playing In The Band. This one really feels like a long time coming.
And yes, it’s always nice to get a new thread. Stay safe all, and if you don’t play Dead, for God’s sake, play SOMETHING!!

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