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    One more Saturday night at Winterland! Yes, we're back to home base for DAVE'S PICKS VOLUME 42, the complete show from Winterland, San Francisco, 2/23/74. The one that featured the earliest amalgamation of what would soon become the Wall of Sound, the one that is so "loud, clear, and defined," it's been ripe for release for quite some time and we're glad it's finally getting its due.

    First set or second, there are no wrong answers here. From the unique show opener of Chuck Berry's "Around And Around" and an incredible "Here Comes Sunshine" that would then disappear for 18 years, to a medley of WAKE OF THE FLOOD tracks - "Row Jimmy," "Weather Report Suite," and "Stella Blue" - cementing their status in the canon and an unstoppable hour through the classic 1973-1974 Dead that is “He’s Gone”>“Truckin’”>“Drums”>“The Other One”>“Eyes Of The World,” it's all exceptionally hot.

    Limited to 25,000 numbered copies, DAVE’S PICKS VOLUME 42: WINTERLAND, SAN FRANCISCO, 2/23/74 was recorded by Kidd Candelario and has been mastered to HDCD specs by Jeffrey Norman at Mockingbird Mastering. Grab a copy while you can.

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    Apart from that one, the only PJF I have are "To Your Scattered Bodies Go" and "The Lovers". I can't honestly remember what were like now, but I would have enjoyed them at the time.
    To me the science fiction I liked - mainly written between about 1960 and 1980, occupies the same space as psychedelic singles from the 60's - and the music of early Pink Floyd, Hawkwind and all the great German bands of that era. They seemed to reflect the way I saw the world back in my teens and 20's. We all move on of course, and I wouldn't want to exist on a diet on nothing but those genres now. But I still like dipping back in now and again.

    My copy of "And Then There Was None" was published under it's original title in 1970. And you wouldn't believe what was on the cover.

  • Colin Gould
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    Yes, many older stories are less readable when you notice the sexism and racism inherent in them. The past certainly is different country. Women tend to be either missing from earlier SF or they are there as sex objects. I have to be able to disconnect my annoyance when reading early HG Wells stories. I can no longer read H Rider Haggard and the casual racist slurs in Agatha Christie stories are very noticeable, not to mention the original title (in the UK) of ‘And then there were none’. I haven’t bought any recent editions of ‘Tom Sawyer’ or ‘Huckleberry Finn’. Have they been edited out of all recognition? Having said this I would much rather read the books as originally written than have them edited so they don’t offend my modern sensibilities. Don’t ban books it would be better to discuss and examine why they were written as they were.

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    Yes, I enjoyed the Riverworld series but that was when I was 16, I'm not so sure at 62. Might give them a go though. I like big American novels these days Richard Ford, Philip Roth and that sort of thing, any suggestions?
    Colin yes, Bluebeard by Kurt Vonnegut (the painter novel) is very funny, highly recommended.

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    Mark Hollis-S/T
    Veedon Fleece-Van Morrison (I like this so much that I try not to play it too much, to keep it fresh)
    JS Bach St Matthew Passion-John Eliot Gardiner (Ebarme Dich mein Gott is painfully beautiful)
    Dylan-Blonde on Blonde( there's a decent single album in this, I find the whole thing a bit pedestrian nowadays)

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    Yes, I’ve read a fair number of Philip Jose Farmer’s books over the years. My favourite is ‘The Unreasoning Mask’ (The Bolg kills all but one). Both the Riverworld and The World of Tiers series are good and I liked his Kurt Vonnegut homage, writing ‘Venus on the half shell’ as Kilgore Trout.
    Having mentioned Vonnegut I particularly enjoyed one of his later books where one of the protagonists was a world famous abstract expressionist painter until, having used the wrong paint, all his paintings ended up having flaked off the canvas and covered the gallery floors.

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    ....primary reason why I'm here.
    Last Five.
    Duran Duran - Notorious
    Tedeschi Trucks Band - Crescent. Twice.
    Sabaton - Heroes
    Phish - 6.3.22 Deer Creek
    I would be lost without my tunes. Especially in these trying times.
    Btw. I am so tired of thoughts and prayers. Only goes so far.
    Rock on. And take care of yourselves and your friends and family.
    Eating Chinese takeout. Sesame beef kicks ass.
    Thanks btw fam, for reminding me to bust open a Philip K Dick book.
    Any Philip Jose Farmer fans out there??
    Phil's are cool.

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    I picked up this 2003 Summer Get Away Box Set at a Rex Foundation Benefit Auction. Previous owner: Cameron Sears, his name is printed on the bag. I've listened to a few discs, I did enjoy Joan Osborne and also the jams with Stevie Winwood. Have to get back into that box.

    I'm singing the praise of the 76 box again, this time Boston 6/11/76! Cool stand-alone Scarlet Begonias, beautiful Eyes.

    Hmm, I'm going to have to get my hands on some PKD, I've heard good things before, time to check him out.

    Music soothes the soul.

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    Sheik Yer Bones - thanks very much for that offer - unfortunately I am way behind the rest of the world when it comes to utilising online facilities - so I haven't used mediatheque. Also, I do like books in themselves, as objects. Those PKD books you mention are all great - The Martian Timeslip comes to mind as another great one. Among many.
    The mid 70's was a great time to see Gong. The first time I saw them was early in 1974 - it was like stepping into an alternate reality walking into the Free Trade Hall in Manchester and hearing ( and seeing) their set unfold. Truly magical. That 2032 album is really good, too. I saw them just after that came out, and Steve Hillage and Miquette Giraudy, from the classic mid 70s band, were in the group. Plus they played a set based on their 70's recordings before Gong came on. Cosmic.

    Nick-I started reading science fiction in the mid 70s too-the so called New Wave writers mainly - everyone from Brain Aldiss to Roger Zelazny. Philip K. Dick was the one though. I have still got loads of old paperbacks from that era - tiny print by today' standards. Either that or my eyes are going. A Scanner Darkly is memorably sad -in fact it's one of the few I haven't re- read. I remember it very clearly, even after all these years. Its barely science fiction - in fact it's one of the most realistic novels I have ever read on the subject of substance assisted burn out. Chilling. The others don't strike me as being particularly sad. Having said that, I'm not exactly a life and soul of the party type to begin with!

    Mr Ones - glad you like "I Think I'm Going Weird" - it's one of the best compilations of that era that I have heard. Every song on it feels like a peak track. And there are so many more to look into getting....

    I've just been reminded - if you are only going to read one PKD novel "The Three Stigmata of Palmer Eldritch" would be a good one.

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    Saw the first 4 of 5 shows at Red Rocks 2003. Joan was awesome, great addition to the core band. bought discs of those shows at the time and listened to a couple of the shows maybe 3 months ago. very enjoyable trip back to those summer days and nights.

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    My "Summer getaway" set is #496 of 500. At a mere 86 CDs, it should be easier to listen to it all but I also haven't heard all of it yet. I agree that Joan Osborne's singing adds a lot to the overall sound of the band.

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    No, I haven’t heard it all yet but it is only 18 years!
    I haven’t played all of the 2003 tour yet either.
    Of those I’ve heard I prefer 2003 because I like Joan Osborne singing with them.

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One more Saturday night at Winterland! Yes, we're back to home base for DAVE'S PICKS VOLUME 42, the complete show from Winterland, San Francisco, 2/23/74. The one that featured the earliest amalgamation of what would soon become the Wall of Sound, the one that is so "loud, clear, and defined," it's been ripe for release for quite some time and we're glad it's finally getting its due.

First set or second, there are no wrong answers here. From the unique show opener of Chuck Berry's "Around And Around" and an incredible "Here Comes Sunshine" that would then disappear for 18 years, to a medley of WAKE OF THE FLOOD tracks - "Row Jimmy," "Weather Report Suite," and "Stella Blue" - cementing their status in the canon and an unstoppable hour through the classic 1973-1974 Dead that is “He’s Gone”>“Truckin’”>“Drums”>“The Other One”>“Eyes Of The World,” it's all exceptionally hot.

Limited to 25,000 numbered copies, DAVE’S PICKS VOLUME 42: WINTERLAND, SAN FRANCISCO, 2/23/74 was recorded by Kidd Candelario and has been mastered to HDCD specs by Jeffrey Norman at Mockingbird Mastering. Grab a copy while you can.

Thanks for the Byrd info. I am a touch younger, although still gettin close to 60. Been meaning to revisit the Byrds. Have their first two albums which I procured in high school. Now I am going to get his book.

Will be listening to Seattle this weekend, really, cannot wait. Why did you stop at 1980 Maine? Set list looks like a rager.

Might I ask how many were you fortunate to see? Any disappointed misses?

I am grateful for the shows I was fortunate to see. All were pretty big road trips. Looks like you were a road warrior also.

Thanks for hanging around here. What I wouldnt give to have a camp fire meeting with the freaks on here.

G

Edit: I have thought about contacting Mr. Miller. I have an old box taped up for 25+ years. It has some tasty boards. I have an awesome 70's Allman Brothers Band and a extremely funcky Neville Brothers show opening for GD. Might have to see if the time capsule is anything, get what might be good digitized and quit hauling that box around. Move to much.

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Glad you enjoy the FoxBox, it was an awesome weekend. As I stated then, I ran into the fellas a few times, they recognized my car tag. Greg lived around here for a while and have a close friend who was a close friend of his. My friend played with him some. He met Gregg thru Johnny Sandlin. I met Johnny a few times, great guy.

But yeah fun fun. Huge hotel bar and food tab.

G

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Gary, that Fox weekend would have been one for the ages! I read you are going back over the Byrds catalogue - so much great stuff in there, and some genius writing and playing by guys in the band like Gram Parsons, Clarence White, or the guy beside me in my avatar, Chris Hillman. Like the Dead, they are one band - including offshoots - I never tire of listening to.

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Brian Eno - Here Come The Warm Jets
- Another Green World
Fripp & Eno - No Pussyfooting
Robert Fripp - Exposure (3rd Edition)
JD Souther - Tenderness

I picked the latter, because after a Fripp/Eno junket, I needed lyrics and drums, and no synths

PS - Oro is right - nice to see Strider on the boards again.

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opened for who in 1971?

Adolph, Rudolph, Pissoff, and Jackoff

Unrelated to daves 42, i know

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Seeing Electric Warrior in Ledded's last 5 yesterday reminded me that the T. Rex 1972 box is coming out tomorrow. I ordered that so long ago, I had forgotten about it.
Actually to keep it Dead related, Gary Lambert had a pop at T. Rex in his sleeve notes for the cd of 4/7/72 in the trunk . A very dated comment, which reminds me of the time when people who liked rock music only tended to listen to one particular type, and looked down on people who didn't share their taste.

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The cover art for this one - I didn't realize there's a Wall of Sound in that ship. Cell phone image too small, but just saw it on my laptop. Yeah it's a cool one. Do we know what's on the Bonus Disc yet? Oh - and I really like The Other One from today's 50 year anniversary of the Beat Club performance. Sounds Dark Starish in places TBD. Dig it, dig it, dig it, dig it....

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My subscription copy of the June 2022 issue of Mojo has just been delivered. There is an article about the ‘72 visit to Europe and the free CD is a GD compilation ‘ From The Bay To The Pool - Live 1971 - 1978’ There are 10 tracks all previously issued. Should be an interesting listen.

Edit: I see there is also an article about Mighty Baby.

Edit 2: My wife has just told me it’s Iggy Pop’s 75th birthday!

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Super excited for DaP42. '74 is such a sweet year to my ears. I've always been a "both the book and the cover" person and I love the cover art. That ship with the Wall of Sound is so very cool, the sunset sky, the flooded streets. For me right up there with the Tony Millionaire Wizard of Oz masterpiece for DaP 11.

and yes, lest i forget, thanks nitecat (and the Charlie Miller team) for getting your tapes up on the archive. spun set II from Seattle yesterday. never got to see a set II Let It Grow from that era and always thought it was particularly cool song placement.

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We, (well I anyway), don't see what's right in front of face a lot of times. I noticed that although 42 is a 74 show,,,, it says "Listening Party 1971".

What a great sounding recording regardless :-)

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The 6-13-80 tape is indeed very nice. I am digging into your 6-8-80 recording now and I do believe it may be the best - well my favorite anyway - of the recordings available from that show and there are several.

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I love this cover too. I did not notice the WOS initially either.

Definitely in my top 5.

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12 Colgate (Yes, bias involved, but still very cool)
5 UCLA Bruins
30 Wolf paws on keyboard

HM: 9,11, 23

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Was just watching the movie "The Gong Show",,,,, I haven't seen it in 40 years. Caught the last 5 minutes.

There is the unknown comic,,,

"Chuckie, Chuckie, Chuckie!!!! Come here, I'm gonna tell you a joke that will make you look like an asshole............ Oh I see you've already heard it!!!!"

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Now Dennis, that's my kind of humor....

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Oliver Nelson - The Blues & The Abstract Truth
Los Lobos - Chuy's Tape Box Vol 1 (Live in Santa Barbara '84)
The Butterfield Blues Band - The Original Lost Elektra Sessions
Elliot Sharpe & Henry Kaiser - Electric Willie; A Tribute to Willie Dixon
Grateful Dead - Ventura 7-18-82 AUD...great sounding show (ONE MORE SET!!!)...on the headphones I can hear the wind and smell the ocean...

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I recall your tape of 12/26/79 being stellar!

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Nappy, Ventura was a blast! I enjoyed all the years there, but I think 1982 was my favorite. Ventura would make a great box set!

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I got the answer. Zappa/Mothers. Weird but I was playing show #1 in the new box just as I read your post. Excellent set, by the way.

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My first show

It would be a great release

I figure it's not in the vault with no soundboard anyway

I do have an audience copy

Note: waiting in parking lot at veterinarian while I hear the yellow dog story from 1 23 70

Lol

Nice work Aliced

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I think its this show that Blair Jackson wrote about in the opening chapter of his book "The Music Never Stopped". As much about the scene as the actual music - I can still remember reading it on the train back from Manchester to Oldham in 1983. Fascinating.
Incidentally, at the end of the book he reviews some of the best tapes available at that time - the first time I knew such things existed. I wondered how I would go about getting and hearing these some of these shows he talked about. Little did I know what was on the horizon.

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The version of 7-18-82 I was playing was recently made available by the usual gang of idiots in 24 bit...so much thanks go out to these folks who keep us in mind and supply these shows...

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My accountant insists that I make the trek to Vegas on May 5th & 6th...on Cinco De Mayo I shall be at the Theater At Virgin Hotel (formerly the Hard Rock Joint, when did this happen?) for el Mariachi Vargas de Tecalitlán, the finest mariachi there is and on the 6th I shall be at Boulder Station for Los Lobos, finest band in the land...makes it easy for the Boulder show as that's where I'll be staying...so live music, Zia Records, good food and a Crown Royal rocks sounds good...Oh this is all in celebration of the fact that I have a new job dispatching for a shuttle company that travels twice daily from the South Rim to the North Rim from May 15th to November 15th...that should keep me in pork chop money....

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Nappy, congratulations on your new job.

Cousins, thanks, 12/26/79 will be up on the Archive soon.

And everyone, thanks for all the kind words. The Archive provides a proper place to share these recordings, just as I did 30 years ago with close deadhead friends.

Nite Cat: Dang that 12/26/79 show is a favorite of mine. I always say it may be my favorite show that I didn't see. That show just hits all my aural pleasures. Bet that was a lot of fun. Can't wait to hear your audience compared to SB. Had to be good as it was Dick's 5th, so know he liked it.

That Mike: noticed the new pic/avatar but had not looked at it closely. Awesome!

Anybody go to the Skull and Roses show at Ventura earlier this month? Stumbled across that earlier today on youtube. Have saved for later. They have a faux WoS above the stage. Sweet. I have some other buddies that do an Ozzy tribute and do it well. My friend Ed about a decade ago took ply wood and speaker stickers to make it look like they have a big bank of Marshall's. Looks cool but still just ply wood and speakers. And wow, are they loud. I rarely even go see them. I wrote last year about a friend that worked for Ultrasound for almost 20 years. He mixes them and he mixes them loud. Makes my ears ring just thinking about it.

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Listened to a chunk of DaP 13 2/24/74 today since I had a longer commute than usual and in preparation for the Ship gliding in one day soon. Always super excited for a 1974 show, just because of that wondrous sound, and Phil's thunderous notes and Jerry's pristine trills fluttering together is just heavenly. Great China> Rider, decent Playing, a ripping Cumberland, and a great WRS> Row Jimmy, Ship of Fools, and I got the first few minutes of Dark Star, which I'll start over for tomorrow's ride in. Can't wait to compare and contrast the 20 min Other One from 42 vs 13's 30 min Dark Star, and the WRS is even bigger on 42, and melts into a dream, so that should be nice. The Bonus is gravy, like getting two Ships for the price of one. Wonder which arrives first: DaP 1 vinyl or DaP 42?

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I'm surprised dap 42 is still available. Currently listening to dap 26. I'm glad you guys are talking 12/26/79. P.S.- drinking sierra nevada hazy little thing IPA.

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SELLS OUT @ 7:44AM PDT 04/22/22

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I could be wrong, but I believe it's already sold out. Still.. I think you nailed it (almost)

I feel both remorse and pride.. remorse for those that missed it by that much balanced by the pride to see another Great 74 GD get the delayed love it earned long ago.

Happy for those that will get this and sad for those that either won't or have to pay more.

The thing with 74, love it or not.. there were only 40 shows the whole year and most have been released by this point. Plus, it's one of the relatively few apex periods. Not perfect, not flawless but far from secondary. idk.. feels a bit special to me but I am clearly biased.

Be good all, but not too good.

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1974 isn't perfect by any means, but that may be why its such an enduring year. Genuine developing, growing in front of your ears, living and breathing music. Chances still being taken- some things work-some don't - but the overall approach, for me, does.
I guess you could say that for any year , and you either like the approach in question...or you don't.

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SOLD OUT?

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One of the best tracks EVER

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I love Dave's description of this show as a great rock and roll show. Those are the shows that always grabbed me, especially the shows of the 1980s and 1990s. I had friends in grad school (1995-98) who were Heads and we had one argument that would never let up-- I loved Bob songs and they did not like them and really generally did not care for Bob. They were very Jerry-centric. I was always asking, how can you not like half the songs of any given concert? I never did get a good answer to that one.

Especially in the 1980s and 1990s eras, Bob songs were the rockers. Jerry had his rockers, but lots of ballads that I always felt slowed down a set, especially that post D/S ballad slot. While it may be sacrilege to some on here, there are to this day Jerry ballads that I skip every time (after a first listen to see how it is). So, yes Dave Lemieux, give me a rocking show and this one appears to have the goods.

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Miles Davis: Live at Fillmore East
Rolling Stones: Love You Live
Tedeschi Trucks Band: Live at Oakland Fox
Count Basie: April In Paris
Taj Mahal: The Real Thing (Live 1971 Fillmore East)

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11/11/73
10/18/72
DaP 40, Deer Creek 1990
5/25/72

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Gary F, I have a mini 'Deadbase Jr.' that lists all Dead shows with checks by each show I saw. I count over 400 shows. I was lucky to live in the Bay Area, where in later years, the Dead did long runs at several Bay Area venues, Frost, Greek, Cal Expo, Shoreline, Kaiser, Oakland Colseum, BCT, Marin Civic, SF Civic.

Early on in 1972 at Berkeley Community Theater I saw two shows back to back, 8/24 and 8/25. Or possibly 8/22 and 8/24. After the second night, I realized I had seen a completely different show than the night before, and if I went to several shows, I could hear a wider range of songs. From that point on, I did complete runs as much as possible. Tickets were so much cheaper then, and I had less demands on my wallet.

I also began traveling in around 1978 to see the boys. I would go see any show in California. I had this theory that they played better, more energetic shows on the road, and busted out rarities, too. Not sure if this was true, or not, but I began traveling to Socal, up to the Northwest, and out to Red Rocks. So I guess you could call me a Road Warrior, it was exciting on the road going to see the boys.

Gary, not sure what you are referring to about stopping at 1980 Maine.

Disappointed misses? If I'd known I might have made it to Harding Theater in 1971. I was in Europe in 1973 so I missed Kezar 73. I never made it to the East Coast for a Spring or Fall Tour. All in all, I feel eternally blessed to have been born in the right place and in the right time.

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Good Evening Dead.net. (vampire like voice)Having a rough week, We will get by, but been really enjoying the chat here for this release especially nitecat, vguy72, keithfan, etc. and other frequent members posting good vibes. Did Long Strange Trip and Grateful Dead movie recently and Love Crazy Wall Of Sound! Also just started binging X-Files again hehe can't get enough. Oh and Stanley Cup Playoffs just on the horizon..........Last five includes lotsa anniversary Dead March-April soon May Europe 72 always in play....anyhow
1. Dirty Dancing 20th anniversary edition side note my parents stopped by my work today when I was listening to this and the song "Hey! Baby" (Bruce Channel) was on and my Dad said it was banned when he was young??
2. Bob Marley-Talkin' Blues
3. Goerge Jones-Hits I Missed...
4. Pixies-Wave of Mutilation
5. Eddie Money-Right Here which includes good rock n roll plus ballad I'll Get By somewhat tribute to Bill Graham

Did 4/22/78 Nashville today too

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Some excellent sounding Tapes NiteCat. I am in awe.

Thanks for sharing stories over the years and thanks so much for both taping as many shows as you have and graciously sharing them with us. Seriously, I cannot thank you enough.

Back to your previously scheduled 1974 five star all you eat buffet

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Only 40 shows all of '74?? I knew they had to curtail things a bit, I didn't realize it was THAT many. I was coincidentally counting '71 shows first half of the year the other night, and they had 40 under their belt by end of April. Wall of Sound - the Titanic sound system.

Print the legend Ace....You hear the story about Ford and him goading Stewart about Woody Strode's costuming as Old Pompey...He kept pressing Stewart what he thought of it and Stewart finally told him he thought it was a bit "Uncle Remus"...Ford got after him asking if he was a secret racist...Ford made great movies but he sure was a dick...

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Please check your PM's..........

Gracias.

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....wowzers. 👏👏👏
I'm at an even 60. Born too late. Still grateful to be present and accounted for.
Hello Kriyas!
Rough weeks are an understatement. Been there. Still there.
This corner of the internet is my occasional refuge from the storms.
It'll be aok.

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These 2 shows would make a great double release. "New ones coming as the old ones go".

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I'm convinced that Dave is hoarding the #1 of the limited editions of his own picks.

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Just give me #420 again and I'll be happy :-)

Ok, a Numero Uno would be fine, too. :-)

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