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    One more Saturday night at Winterland! Yes, we're back to home base for DAVE'S PICKS VOLUME 42, the complete show from Winterland, San Francisco, 2/23/74. The one that featured the earliest amalgamation of what would soon become the Wall of Sound, the one that is so "loud, clear, and defined," it's been ripe for release for quite some time and we're glad it's finally getting its due.

    First set or second, there are no wrong answers here. From the unique show opener of Chuck Berry's "Around And Around" and an incredible "Here Comes Sunshine" that would then disappear for 18 years, to a medley of WAKE OF THE FLOOD tracks - "Row Jimmy," "Weather Report Suite," and "Stella Blue" - cementing their status in the canon and an unstoppable hour through the classic 1973-1974 Dead that is “He’s Gone”>“Truckin’”>“Drums”>“The Other One”>“Eyes Of The World,” it's all exceptionally hot.

    Limited to 25,000 numbered copies, DAVE’S PICKS VOLUME 42: WINTERLAND, SAN FRANCISCO, 2/23/74 was recorded by Kidd Candelario and has been mastered to HDCD specs by Jeffrey Norman at Mockingbird Mastering. Grab a copy while you can.

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    First off, welcome back Dennis! I totally understand on the Charles Lloyd set. I did pick
    up the first “trio” CD (the one with Frisell), but haven’t had a chance to play it yet. Expectations are high. I don’t think the vinyl box set is limited issue (I don’t think), so no rush to get it yet. I didn’t realize until yesterday that Lloyd & Frisell played the Ottawa Jazz Festival this past weekend, which is only a 4 hour car hike from here, and would have been a great weekend trip for the wife and I. Like the Toronto Maple Leafs - next time(sorry for the hockey talk Dennis). PS - I have some albums by the “other” Bill Evans, the sax player (he has played with Hornsby) - he is a decent player. Tell me your impressions of the Miles album when you can.

    Sixtus/Oro - I was thinking another way to approach this “Which Artists” to listen to for piano jazz, since the lists everyone provided were really great, but perhaps overwhelming, is to approach it more organically, ie - the kneebone is connected to the shinbone etc. Start with a jazz artist you perhaps know, and see what side players he or she plays with. Who contributes to their sound? Or labels. Blue Note, a great jazz label for generations is a great one to start with. A great many recordings in the 50s & 60s on that label were produced by Rudy Van Gelder. Like all Producers, he had “go to” musicians he would call into the studio to back an artist. Tony Williams, drummer, is making a solo album, Van Gelder may call on a young Herbie Hancock, or Wayne Shorter, Joe Henderson etc. Next, Shorter is making an album, who backs him up? How about all the truly remarkable musicians Miles Davis worked with? Four of them became star keyboard players in their own right: Jarrett, Corea, Hancock, and Zawinul (who had a budding career with Cannonball Adderley).
    I always found in music in general, and jazz in particular, the kneebone is connected to the shinbone; you like “this”, you’ll definitely like “that”.

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    1st show and jingles

    I have an LP of Winston cigarette ads that were played on the radio. My father got this from somewhere, I was maybe 16. Still have.

  • Dennis
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    Don't forget Jeff Chimenti,,, who I think is better than Keith.

    Some mentioned Bill Evans piano player.

    I just got in my vinyl copy of Miles Davis Live - What it Is - Montreal 7/7/83. Reading the back cover and there is Bill Evans, only he's playing saxes and flutes. So I looked it up,,, it said this.....

    This double LP release features one of Miles Davis' final great bands: John Scofield on guitar, Bill “The Other Bill Evans” Evans on saxophones, flute and electric piano, Darryl Jones on bass, Al Foster on drums, and percussionist Mino Cinelu.

    So there are two Bills. I think one must have a goatee and be from the evil universe!

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    Can't talk piano players without mentioning Keith Godchaux, at one time one of the greatest piano players 9n Earth.

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    We have the same blessing/curse of remembering esoteric things like jingles. Every cigarette, beer, cereal, appliance, and car ad had a jingle. Now they just steal a song we all liked and now can't stand as they've ruined it for us. Really, "Everybody Damp Rid"? Or "All Right Now" for a drug I don't need? One of the favorite games my wife and I play is to jam together songs and jingles that have nothing to do with each other. You start with Red Red Robin and end up at the Woody Woodpecker theme then Diamonds Are a Girl's Best Friend or the Dick Van Dyke show. Likely because we can't remember the whole thing anyway. I think the advertisers in the 60's had evil intentions for our little spongy brains. I'm the youngest of three and the back seat of the car was where I might subject my sisters to hours long renditions of This Old Man. "Mom, make him stop!" Unfortunately an earworm can really screw up my day even now. So the cure is to just have music on all the time. Music is the best.
    Cheers

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    Only gone for 4 days I come back to 17 pages of "stuff"! (ok, once I stripped away hockey it was only a half page :-) )

    Too much to cover or comment on,,,,, but I try a little.

    That Mike - Chuck Lloyd, thanks for the heads up. Chuckie will be on back burner for now. 600 bucks for the 24 albums and a box set yet to come?!?! My wife's wallet does have limits!

    Springsteen,,,, ok I'm from Jersey, past that, Bruce appeared in my life at the right time I guess. His songs always speak to me of hope and the struggles of the working stiff.

    Disco - I was big on the disco ball. Back in the late seventies with Frankie Crocker on WBLS,,,, stereo in black. I believe you'd find a lot of recording technics came out of the that disco vein.

    Couple of unmentioned disco headphone songs,,,, Peter Brown - Do You Want to Get Funky with Me. CJ & Co - The Devil's Gun, or Santa Esmeralda - Don't Let Me Be Misunderstood. GREAT, GREAT album of day and GREAT GREAT headphone album,,,, Dr Buzzard's Original Savannah Band!!!!

    Zappa,,, I keep buying his "stuff", I like a chunk, a chunk can be tedious. Sometimes GREAT ability does not translate to enjoyable. If you're a musician maybe you can be awed by technical, but if you're an idiot like me you can't tell he just played an augmented Major G in a diminished F. Also the twice I caught Frank he seemed to think he was doing you a favor by playing and you should be thankful he did!

    Jazz piano,,,, you read the list people posted and you like, oh yeah, him. I like when some said don't forget tatum and liberace. On the Oscar front, my buddy is a huge fan. Caught him whenever he played. He had an album called something like "for my friends". He had this one cut where he was playing song "a". Right hand carried the melody and left belting out rhythm. All of sudden left hand started playing a different song , "B". So now he's playing two songs at the same time. Notes from song "A" start walking down to the bass end, while song "B" starts walking to high end. The two hands cross each other while jamming out and poof, back to one song "A". I was wowed to say the least! :-)

    Charlie 3 - Ipanema (great tune). I used to go to this restaurant/coffee house/bar. They would have bands, small venue 20-30 people listening to this group. They started playing Ipanema and out of this crowd comes this woman steps up to the mike and starts sing the lyrics in Portuguese and she sounds exactly like the origial! Song ended and she went back and sat down. Blew the room away and I think the band!

    Mr Ones,,,, I pretty sure I have the motown hippo stuff

    Finally an incredible flash-back moment. Sorting thru the latest treasure trove of music I've recently received I stumbled across Miriam Makeba,,, name meant nothing to me. Wiki said she was the voice of Africa (or something like that). Sorted and filed all. I always listened to pieces of what I add to my collection so I have some idea of what's what. So it looked like a cut "pata pata" was her big hit. I put it on and my head exploded. I knew the song, but had not thought about it since it came out. I mean I had not THOUGHT at all about it, which is odd for me since I have almost every tune I know running thought my head at all time. Even the childhood ones I learned in 1st grade!! I don't think a month goes by when I don't find myself singing the Erie Canal! Trust me I've never navigated on it, but sing about once a month. :-) Commerical jingles always run though me,,,,, remember this one,,,, My beer is Reingold the dry beer, think of Reingold whenever you buy beer. It's refreshing, not sweet, it's the extra dry drink. Would try extra dry Reingold beer?

    Like Monk,,, it's a blessing,,,,,,,, and a curse! (mostly for the people that have to listen to me sing them :-) )

    Sorry for the ramble, but you did leave me 17 pages to comment on! (but no hockey comments thankfully)

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    Amazing piano solo on David Bowie's "Alladdin Sane". Decades ago, a mate of mine wrote to Mike Garson, asking for a transcription of the solo. Incredibly he got a reply. Not a transcription, though. If I remember rightly, Garson said he couldn't transcribe it if he tried. Hats off to him for replying though.

    Practising 4 hours a day for 15 years on any instrument is cheating. As the man said, we could all be good if we did that.

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    I'll go with the old school: Albert Ammons, Duke Ellington, Count Basie, Willie "the Lion" Smith, Fats Waller.

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One more Saturday night at Winterland! Yes, we're back to home base for DAVE'S PICKS VOLUME 42, the complete show from Winterland, San Francisco, 2/23/74. The one that featured the earliest amalgamation of what would soon become the Wall of Sound, the one that is so "loud, clear, and defined," it's been ripe for release for quite some time and we're glad it's finally getting its due.

First set or second, there are no wrong answers here. From the unique show opener of Chuck Berry's "Around And Around" and an incredible "Here Comes Sunshine" that would then disappear for 18 years, to a medley of WAKE OF THE FLOOD tracks - "Row Jimmy," "Weather Report Suite," and "Stella Blue" - cementing their status in the canon and an unstoppable hour through the classic 1973-1974 Dead that is “He’s Gone”>“Truckin’”>“Drums”>“The Other One”>“Eyes Of The World,” it's all exceptionally hot.

Limited to 25,000 numbered copies, DAVE’S PICKS VOLUME 42: WINTERLAND, SAN FRANCISCO, 2/23/74 was recorded by Kidd Candelario and has been mastered to HDCD specs by Jeffrey Norman at Mockingbird Mastering. Grab a copy while you can.

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Out of house at 5:15 AM, in line at 5:55. Doors opened at 7. Store did a great job of line control, was out of store by 8:15.

Once I get the Mama box of Europe LP's, I will have 6 of the 22 Europe shows on vinyl! Yeah!?!

There's only 6 that's been released, right?

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Hey Nitecat, It would be extremely cool if you could tell us more about your taping days: recording rig, adventures at venues, taping before and after there was a tapers' section, etc. Tapers' tales are always fascinating, but there just aren't enough of them. Nudge, nudge. . . Still wandering through the 13 of your shows I found on the Archive, for which an ongoing THANK YOU! for sharing. Bravissimo!

BTW: I just realized that your auds from 10/10/80 & 10/11/80 got mislabeled/misfiled on the Archive as 10/10/89 & 10/11/89. I wondered about the gap between '80 and '89 in you taping efforts, and was surprised that your taping equipment was the same after nine years. That 'splains it. Onward

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I assume they will release that whole show,,,, I also assume they will release ALL of E72 on vinyl. This will make a nice compliment to the steamer trunk,,,, to have the whole run on cd AND vinyl.

WOW,,,, I shutter at the ebay price!

Dennis - It would be good if they do - but they need to make them available to buy in Blighty for me to splash out.

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Tracking not yet available.
I expect delivery next Friday or Saturday based on past timetables.

Local record shop opened at 8, I got out of bed at 10, just had breakfast, now starting my first cup of coffee.
I’ll probably get to the record shop around 12:15.
Will there be a copy for me? I’ll let you know later.

They’re all on Losslesslegs too, under Wiseman.
I grabbed 6-13,14-80 so far but haven’t listened yet.

Thanks Nitecat.

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Seattle...very nice pull indeed!

Again, thanks so much!!!

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Dave is always displaying the one he gets in the mail on twitter - from what I recall it's always in the middle or back of the pack. That might be his playing edition, but I like him at the helm. My guess is Pinkus gets numero uno, maybe they save #1 for the GD Museum.

My best digits was #75 for DaP12 and #26 for St Louis Box. My triple digits are DaP38, RFK '89 and 1st Spring 1990. The rest are four or five digits. I typically order within an hour when new product or subscription announced, but been doing subscription from year 2.

Was bummed that my 30Trips was so far down the numerical list since I ordered it in 1st five minutes, but then again, once it's taken out of shrinkwrap its value diminishes drastically.

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Belatedly and haven't got there yet, but do look forward to listening. Much appreciation for that... also like to hear a recording adventure story or 3 back in the day. My audio geekdom aside, any details about process too. Gary might have been confused, twas me who wrote I stopped going to Dead shows in 1980. Not that I don't look back with regret on that, it was partly their scene changing and my full dive into jazz. 1980 moved deep into mountains of Vermont, half way off the grid, organic, back to the land adventures previously begun in Maine. Just a few random east coast shows after that for quite a while. Never music on the west coast, huge void there. Out in San Francisco summer 1968, 16, but with parents, kibosh on possible Santana and Dead (Fillmore and/or Shrine) shows, arrghh. Billy The Kidd, thanks for banging the drum on a 60s box, Rhino must have heard almost enough by now, just put 5-6 concerts together, 12-15 discs or so, bingo, 10K sell out. Last Beer: Lagunitas The Waldos. Last music, Rory Block, various.

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Hey All,

I've been waiting for this notification to arrive in my inbox... Not seeing it, I checked and had an oh-crap moment and realized that I somehow failed to order a subscription this year. Could have sworn I had ordered it, but then again I'm the same dummy that accidentally ordered 2 subscriptions for 2020 (forgetting that I'd already ordered one).

So, would love to connect with anyone who would be interested in trading their 2022 CD's (unopened would be great, but opened is fine as long as they're not scratched or damaged) for my unopened copies of the 2020 series (33-36). Please message me here, or at brewbat2 at yahoo dot com. Thanks y'all!

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Just got back from a casual stroll into Newbury Comics and despite my horror at finding a gaping hole in the Gs of their display, a clerk happily told me they had a bunch, but due to their size, couldn't display them all, so he pulled out about 5 copies and handed me one. Inquired on the Ramones box and they had only gotten one copy, so not needing anything else, I departed 155 bucks lighter, but with 5LPs of the show where the Dead really started their storming of Europe. The first night is okay, but this show has long seen Most Highly Favored Status along with a handful of others from Europe (4/26, 5/3, 5/7, 5/26). A welcome addition to the collection. Look forward to listening, not sure I'll do a straight through like I did 5/3 this time last year...

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Thanks for the correction. I thought when I posted Maine 1980 that I might have mixed two for one.

I can understand the deep jazz dive. I am a lover of all kinds of music.

Several months back there was discussion of the most quiet moment experienced in a live setting. Absolutely a brilliant Morning Dew can have that quiet chills moment. In the early 1990's, I saw Itzhak Perlman with the local symphony orchestra. He was so impressive, walking across the stage with his polio crutches. He then put on an hour show that was incredible. He had a moment where the whole hall hung on this incredibly quiet passage. He gave his all. Sweating profusely. He barely had the energy to walk off of the stage. One of my highlights of seeing music that goes back for me to 1972.

As far as Jazz saw Dizzy Gillespie fried on white lightning at the Blue Note in Greenwich (ooops edit) Village. Have seen him 3 times, 2 in NYC and once in my home town. Have seen Preservation Hall Jazz band numerous times, locally and in New Orleans. I went to Jazz Fest New Orleans form 1997-2004. Lots and lots of fun.

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Last five:

GD Daves hawaii shows Jan 70
David Bowie station to station
David Bowie lodger
GD in progress: 5 6 81 dixpix
Talking Heads 77

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David Bowie young americans

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DMCVT, I've been banging the drum for a 1960s box for years on this forum. so far no luck, but Ill keep banging that drum. I would also like to see a Frost Ampitheatre Box, 1982 & 1985 shows would make up the box. You were out here in the Bay Area in 1968, my brothers friends went and saw the Grateful Dead on 5/16/68 at the Santa Clara County Fairgrounds, they saw Hendrix there in 1969. Take it easy, have a nice day.

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Good News KeithFan! Your order is on the way!

And they ain't talkin about the beer glasses.....this is the real deal...DaP 42.....Skeleton Skaters, Part Deux: Back On The Ice!

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Yes indeed, have banged that drum a few times myself along with others here, likely some of the older persuasion. Am OK with what seems emergent pattern for DaP to include a great 80s show or two, nothing against that though my prefs will always be the first decade. And for best audio possible, no cassette master please, just not enough tape there for fourth dimensional details. As far as parents and the short leash summer 1968 while in San Francisco, they held the car keys, I did not know what I was missing, they did not want to be missing me and their car. To be fair, tremendous latitude back home DC with the family car, cruised as far as MSG for Concert for Bangladesh, Ocean City MD for The Byrds.

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It's all over Discogs at the moment. Not from any UK sellers yet, but lots of U.S. outlets there.

I got into taping in 1975 at a Pink Floyd concert at the Cow Palace in Daly City, Ca. I borrowed a roommate's portable Sony recorder. It didn't have volume settings, just auto-level, and a one-point stereo mic. Because the Floyd's sound was epic, my recording came out pretty good. It was fun playing back the show and listening to it again with my roommates.

I was hooked. I sought out a portable Sony with volume controls, and stereo jacks for two mics. The only one available at the time was a huge thing called the TC-152SD. You can google it. It was the size of a thick phone book. I think its size was due to it had a built-in speaker. I bought a Teac cardiod (directional) mic, and for a time only made mono recordings - that was all I could afford at the time.

That Sony deck was a challenge to smuggle into a show, I'll tell you. I put it in a back pack, dropped the straps down so the deck sat in what I hoped was the 'small of my back' and wore a huge puffy down jacket over it all. I got it into clubs ok where there wasn't much of a search. I started taping around 1978, taping Jerry Band, Roy Buchanan. I got it into Bill Graham events a couple times (the Kinks), mainly due to the search person being distracted by the person in front of me, not intentionally, just lucky. I looked really funny wearing that huge down jacket in the summer time!

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This is one of my favorite shows. When they released 2/24, I had actually wished they'd picked this one instead. Better late than never.

With most of the recent Dave's Picks, though, there's already a great SBD in circulation. I wish they'd release some stuff that is not already available in high quality SBD.

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Managed to snag a copy of the 4/8/72 vinyl AND the ABB's 'Cream of the Crop 2003' 3-lp RSD thingy. So I'm now about $200 poorer, but I got me some cool vinyls to spin later. Both releases are ebay and discogs, for anybody who missed out,

What's my secret? After standing in line for two hours last year and getting shut out, I found a different record store, one where the neighborhood is too scary for anybody to camp out overnight, and where their clientele is mostly young punk rockers who, I guessed, would be uninterested in the GOGD or ABB. Worked like a charm. Waltzed in their at noon, picked up the rekkids, and was outta there in 15 minutes. Booyah.

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GD: DiP 15 (disc one on the ride home)
Haydn symphonies, Szell/Cleveland (can't remember which, just good morning music tho)
John Coltrane: My Favorite Things
Bill Evans: Turn Out the Stars
TTB: Best of the Beacon

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Didn't happen I just went to eBay. Of all of the RSD released 5/4/79 is my favorite I was always hoping it would get released as a CD just like 4/18/70 got both an LP & CD release.

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Phil and Friends will perform for free at the annual Stern Grove Festival in SF August 14.

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RIP Rick Turner
Alembic godfather that was an important cog in the GD technical machine that changed R&R forever!
As a proud Alembic owner, thanks for all you did directly or indirectly that allowed me many years of joy being privileged to play such a fine instrument!

NITECAT 6/13/80: good job sir!
Look forward to enjoying others.
We’ll have to get a list so we can play more on Pick of the day with discussion as we did yesterday!
400, impressive indeed! What do the real estate folks say: “ location, location, location” lucky basted, you and Billy K and the rest of you Bay Area folks. Yes, totally jealous!

As we count down to 42. perhaps we shall quote Flounder this is gonna be greaaaatttt!

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The Santa Clara Pop Fest '69 with Jimi closing the weekend...I have an ok boot of his set...guitar and band come through clearly but the vocals are muffled...five of us in a VW bug (we were a lot skinnier then) drove up the coast from LA to Big Sur for a couple of days and then on to the festival...did your Bro and his pals go to any other of the festival days?

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Hello, Newman. I have a Floyd bootleg called crackers. I think it's a BL. Have you ever heard of this tape? I received it during a dead show at giants stadium. I traded a dead tape for it from a chick I met.

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I've been busy downloading all of the Dark Star Orchestra shows. I've noticed (and have observed this with other bands).

You read the comments from the tapers and the audience, and they will talk about, "oh at this show the rain NEVER let up". Or, sorry about the recording,,,, the rain.

Now I know most of us can picture being at a show where it poured like a bitch for the whole show. And how miserable that can be.

But and a big but, you can't hear any talkers in the recordings. Like they left because they didn't come for the music and are NOT going to stand in the rain. So the tapes maybe a little hissy from the rain, but there is no goddamn talking!!!!

Now that's a plus!

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. . . or Are You Just Glad to See Me?"

Haa! Great story Nitecat – and a hilarious image. Thanks! Keep 'em coming (both your posts and your AUDs)! Onward.

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Have not heard of Floyd BL 'crackers'.

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Its listed on floydboots.com and discogs.

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Cool. Thanks for the info. Yes, I'm lazy. Thanks nitecat also.

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who would put on a phony leg cast and have friend push him in his wheelchair...the seat had a false bottom that held the tools...this was 70's stuff I believe...

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This a a 2-cd set of Hollywood Bowl 9/22/72
Dark Side-Disc1
Careful, Echoes, Saucerful, Set The Controls-Disc 2.
I’ll have to track this down, looks good.
Listening to Billy Cobham Live Ayajala ‘78
The Magic Band tour Chicago 3/4/78.
Getting ready to cue up Dave’s 21-Boston Garden 4/2/73…getting ready in advance of ‘74 show, coming soon(I hope).

Music is the Best!!

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I went to a swapmeet yesterday

Someone selling stickers

I got a bunch including a Wolf sticker (the image on Jerry's guitar...you know)

Listening to 5 25 74 today

Niiiiice

Thanks for the heads-up on my auds from 10/10/80 & 10/11/80 got mislabeled/misfiled on the Archive as 10/10/89 & 10/11/89. It has been corrected by the team.

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check pm, will be back in touch.

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I just got home from the Drive by Truckers show! They absolutely tore it up, and hats off to them for reminding me why I love live music. Respect for Mike Cooley’s guitar chops!

Thanks for the ABB info. I always have time for them! Cheers!

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Ha! Found it...the wheelchair taper was the infamous Mike Millard from LA...here's a cool story about the korneyfone label that was an offshoot of TMOQ...the article is mainly about Stan Gutoski a famous Seattle based taper...

theamazingkornyfonelabel dot wordpress dot com

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His '75 recording of one of the Stone's shows at The Forum was awesome...it came as a three LP box that sounded great for the time...I have digital rip of it and I play it every now and then...it's like a time machine for me

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Scorpions w/legendary guitarist uli Roth - sails of Charon.
Cream - politician
Electric flag - another country
Sly and the family stone _-don't call me *igger, whitey
The raiders - Indian nation

P.S.- check out the scorpions 'sails of Charon's you tube video - the 1978 German TV 16/01/78 musikladen version. Uli Roth is so incredibly badass on lead guitar w/ his psychedelic hipster clothes

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GD 5/5/77
GD 5/25/74
TRex Electric Warrior
David Bowie Diamond Dogs (a few good trax, but not as compelling as many of his albums)
Talking Heads Fear of Music (their first 4 albums are extremely tasty)

next GD:
5/7/77
the rest of 5/6/81 dix13

saw a bumpersticker two days ago "Bach Off"

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on some show, Pigpen threatens to hogtie and throw out "Mr. Electrician Man" (I think that's what he says) because of ongoing phuqery with lights or the sound

I want to use that sentiment for the reCaptcha genius

I freakin' HATE that stuff

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