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    One more Saturday night at Winterland! Yes, we're back to home base for DAVE'S PICKS VOLUME 42, the complete show from Winterland, San Francisco, 2/23/74. The one that featured the earliest amalgamation of what would soon become the Wall of Sound, the one that is so "loud, clear, and defined," it's been ripe for release for quite some time and we're glad it's finally getting its due.

    First set or second, there are no wrong answers here. From the unique show opener of Chuck Berry's "Around And Around" and an incredible "Here Comes Sunshine" that would then disappear for 18 years, to a medley of WAKE OF THE FLOOD tracks - "Row Jimmy," "Weather Report Suite," and "Stella Blue" - cementing their status in the canon and an unstoppable hour through the classic 1973-1974 Dead that is “He’s Gone”>“Truckin’”>“Drums”>“The Other One”>“Eyes Of The World,” it's all exceptionally hot.

    Limited to 25,000 numbered copies, DAVE’S PICKS VOLUME 42: WINTERLAND, SAN FRANCISCO, 2/23/74 was recorded by Kidd Candelario and has been mastered to HDCD specs by Jeffrey Norman at Mockingbird Mastering. Grab a copy while you can.

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    Hampton Comes Alive's
    Weekapaug Groove

    High energy, bitches

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    Phish Lore....

    ....I really don't know where to start regarding the lore, but it gets deep. But, I do know where to start regarding getting into them. A Live One or New Years '95. Check em out. I'll refund your time somehow if you don't get IT. And we all know what IT is.
    King Gizzard are pretty cool. They can't be pigeonholed into a certain category, and I can appreciate that. So many awesome sounds. Reminds me a little of The Flaming Lips. A little.

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    Zappa?

    Start with "we're only in it for the money"

    I like a lot of his stuff, but therez plenty of meh, in my opinionionionionionion

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    I totally agree with you on Phish. Don’t know where to start on their library, and I haven’t been able to connect with much I listened to. Zappa, I have just never much cared for, but I respect folks like his body of work.
    PS - Grant Green was a fine guitarist, and a big influence on Walter Becker - the similarity in their tone and touch is incredible!

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    That video with Trey and the little girl.

    You know, we humans might be capable of every sort of atrocity, and we might leave the Earth to a smoking cinder by the time we extinct ourselves (along with half the life on our planet), but we had our moments, didn't we? There were times when we came together to sing songs and dance and love each other and created beauty just for joy of it. Maybe that's enough? Maybe it doesn't matter (anyway).

    That video made my day. Almost makes me want to check out Phish, which, sad to say, I've never really done.

    Ever been kind of afraid to dive into a band or a musician, because you know that have such a deep catalogue and so many obsessive fans and so much lore? I know people who feel like that about the Dead. I kinda feel that way about Zappa: know lots of good people who love him, obsess over him, have to have every scrap of music they can get. And it kinda scares me off. Like, where would I begin? Where would it end?

    Glad to see King Gizz get some love. Those guys are just ridiculously prolific, and they love to confound all notions of musical genre, so they're had to pin down, but when they're in garage psych mode (as they usually are live) I really like them. Check out I'm in Your Mind Fuzz or maybe Polygondawandaland if you're curious. Or better yet Live in San Francisco.

    Last five:

    GOGD: DiP 31
    Miles Davis: Filles de Kilimanjaro
    Charles Mingus: Mingus Dynasty
    Ty Segall: Freedom's Goblin
    Grant Green: Grant's First Stand

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    birthday anniversary yesterday. Sure wish him and Jerry were still around.

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    MIKE: just some self deprecating humor there, the best kind!
    Funny I don’t recall 2001 so much, but have cool memories of 1996. Had just move here that winter and we’re watching up in the hills at one of my cousins west of Boulder so we had to go back down and through Boulder on our way home at the time east of town. Even at that late hour there were nuts partying in the streets, people were driving around hoking horns in the middle of the night, it’s was wild and such a good feeling to finally be a “winner” after all the frustrating Buffalo years. If they can pull it off Friday, gonna be a big pa-teh in the city fo sho! Not so sure about the state, these folks aren’t quite the Hockey fans we are. Now I don’t get out much but I haven’t seen or heard anyone out here in the boonies talking about it which is sad.
    But hey, don’t cha know I’ll be ready!

    ISTSHOW: I read about that show, the bad ole daze of Colorado concerts. Heard/read about the crazy Folsom field shows BITD too. Must of been a gas! My first stadium show was quite the eye opener for a 15 year old: Bob Welch, Pablo Cruise, Foreigner, and Fleetwood Mac at the Ralph.I can still picture Stevie and Lindsey Glaring at each other as they sang and LB breaking strings he was playing so hard during Go Your Own Way, like they fully meant it lol. Great R&R!
    My Biggest crowd/Concert was Woodstock 94, surreal how many people were there!

    DAVEROCK: generally two kinds of loud: dbs, and ear damage due to sustained distortion and/or shitty sound.
    You can cause hearing damage often accompanied by ringing/not being able to hear temporarily at low DB if the sound is distorted. Sustained exposure to things like power tools etc can cause permanent hearing damage much more easily than just loud dbs if the sound is clean. This is science not opinion. Plenty of Dan Healy on this out there.
    I owned some of the same equipment and worked for a band that had a smaller version of the wall, so can attest that though the music is often not too loud (you can talk to your buddy etc) normally, but during peaks in the music things can get very loud, and because it’s so clean you don’t realize it like Simon said. I’ve had stereos like that too.
    But as good as the wall was, I’ve read every member of the team has stated over the years that the Meyers PA that they used in the late 80s etc could get way louder and was cleaner than the wall due to technological advances, including scale as it was now more practical to have increased and improved amps, speakers etc than the wall, and that it could sound better! Yes the wall was awesome, but it’s more about the historic significance about the innovation of what and when they created all this new tech, and the myth that has been built around it. I’ve experienced the Meyers PA hundreds of times where it WAS so loud but clean that you couldn’t easily hear your buddy, but didn’t realize it until you tried! Of course this can present a different and perhaps more dangerous hearing situation as you could actually do permanent damage and not even know it until it’s too late! The Meyers system had that potential but luckily Healy and co knew better.

    Most of the “rock” bands I saw had horrible sound because it was too distorted AND too damn loud. Saw The Who the day after those poor folks died in Cincinnati in December 79 and they had what I believe, but didn’t know of at the time, was a Meyers PA, but it was being used improperly and was ridiculously loud and shrill (all high end etc).
    It literally made the concert hard to enjoy!
    Yes, yet another one of the many unknown but awesome things the Dead did: basically invent good concert sound reinforcement that has changed the entire industry!

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    Integral to the transition from pop from the Brill building to soul and rock & roll of the 60s. Still some of my favorite hits. Stevie Wonder a great example of that transitional period.
    The Way You Do The Things You Do and How Sweet It Is - JGB staples.
    Remembering my older sister and friends perfecting their dance moves to Motown on the big mono system Dad built. The Alligator dance craze where one dives head first to the floor in a push-up move. Quite athletic and the girls made the floor shake doing that one.
    Glad you're digging it DR!
    Cheers

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    Sounds as though it was superb, and very conducive to the music being played. Provided not too many people took the option of talking to their mates, of course. As you probably know, with Sabbath, Purple and their ilk, not only couldn't you hear your mates in the hall-you couldn't hear them on the bus on the way home either.

    As side trip, I am getting a bit lost in the world of 1960s Motown at the moment, which I have never listened to before. I bought the Complete Singles 1967 box a while back, to go with the "Detroit 67 The Year That Changed Soul" book by Stuart Cosgrove that I was reading. So good, I decided to get the 1965 box. Then the 1963 one. And now the much coveted 1966 box arrived this morning. Great, great singles. Once I get the 1964 one-and maybe the 1968 one - I will call it quits.

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    My first big outdoor show. Sun Day #1 on 6-23-74 with ABB, Marshall Tucker, Steve Miler, Elvin Bishop, and Wet Willie at Mile High Stadium. And the ABB set had a Whipping Post!
    All in their prime, albeit lacking Duane. May still stand as the biggest crowd at a show I attended. Second largest was likely the Hard Rain tour at Ft. Collins Hughes Stadium the next summer. Dylan and The Beach Boys. Weird bill but a fantastic show. I don't even come close to some of you guys! Like Monterey Pop, Englishtown, etc. but a good time was had by all despite the warm beer.
    Cheers

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One more Saturday night at Winterland! Yes, we're back to home base for DAVE'S PICKS VOLUME 42, the complete show from Winterland, San Francisco, 2/23/74. The one that featured the earliest amalgamation of what would soon become the Wall of Sound, the one that is so "loud, clear, and defined," it's been ripe for release for quite some time and we're glad it's finally getting its due.

First set or second, there are no wrong answers here. From the unique show opener of Chuck Berry's "Around And Around" and an incredible "Here Comes Sunshine" that would then disappear for 18 years, to a medley of WAKE OF THE FLOOD tracks - "Row Jimmy," "Weather Report Suite," and "Stella Blue" - cementing their status in the canon and an unstoppable hour through the classic 1973-1974 Dead that is “He’s Gone”>“Truckin’”>“Drums”>“The Other One”>“Eyes Of The World,” it's all exceptionally hot.

Limited to 25,000 numbered copies, DAVE’S PICKS VOLUME 42: WINTERLAND, SAN FRANCISCO, 2/23/74 was recorded by Kidd Candelario and has been mastered to HDCD specs by Jeffrey Norman at Mockingbird Mastering. Grab a copy while you can.

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Submitted by Oroborous on Mon, 04/25/2022 - 11:16

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Sorry lads but I believe the complete tapes are not there.
Supposedly much was chopped up for Skull Fuck?
I think that’s why they did Ladies and Gentlemen: used best of what they had?
But!
A) I could be confused and thus completely wrong, and
B) we don’t know what other sources may exist?
Or do we? Someone out there surly knows more about this?

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Submitted by nitecat on Mon, 04/25/2022 - 13:06

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...and still not sold out! I just finished listening to each show, so this is my first pass. Took a while. I gotta say, disc 20 is a stand out. That's the third disc of the second 1973 show in the box. Course you guys already know that. Dark Star>Stella Blue>Eyes>Weather Report Suite! Sweet is right! I listened to this disc three times over three morning's breakfast, and it will bear re-listening for years to come! Multiple breath-taking jams, one after another.

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Submitted by adedhed68 on Mon, 04/25/2022 - 13:13

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Some got a shipping notice late last week. A lot of others are still waiting for one…..

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Submitted by hendrixfreak on Mon, 04/25/2022 - 13:52

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he has said in interviews that they have put out all they intend to on the April '71 FE shows.

That leaves a ton of great shows in March-April '71 for a '71 box.

I am just one show shy of hearing the whole St Louis box. Then I'm going back to the second of two '71 shows in that box and CRANKING IT.

Hey, gents, ain't Nitecat The Man?? Thanks to the tapers...

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Submitted by wissinomingdeadhead on Mon, 04/25/2022 - 17:12

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But I just gotta say 4/22/77 is INCREDIBLE it's been awhile (years) since I listened to this let me add that I've never heard a SB recording until today man oh man does this show SMOKE!!!!!!

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Submitted by nitecat on Mon, 04/25/2022 - 18:02

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Received. Time to listen to other Dead eras so my ears are relatively fresh for 1974 when the Dave's arrives.

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Submitted by wissinomingdeadhead on Mon, 04/25/2022 - 18:26

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For going to '77 when '74 is in the limelight. I just discovered a SB recording of 4/22/77& man it sounds gorgeous.

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Submitted by nappyrags on Mon, 04/25/2022 - 19:48

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I don't put much stock in shipping notices...In the past I have received product before receiving a shipping notice and at times I waited two weeks after getting one

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Submitted by Vguy72 on Mon, 04/25/2022 - 20:21

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Gotta love the dove.
Wissinoming going in head first. Love it.
Posting my tie-dyed Easter eggs avatar. Because I can.

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Submitted by Strider 808808 on Mon, 04/25/2022 - 21:01

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Ship of Fools. 15’ from the stage that night. Flying high. Felt like an Alice D, million dollars.

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Submitted by billy the kiddd on Tue, 04/26/2022 - 10:54

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Another great show, from a historic run of shows. Big Boss Man, Warf Rat , and Mama Tried, all appear on Skull & Roses from this show. Duane Allman sits in with the Dead. My favorite version of Good Lovin.

Good Lovin'

Hot
Hot
Hot

And a first set Dark Star into Wharf Rat

Wharf Rat is on Skull n Roses

Way back in 2001
Phil n Friends played east of Seattle
In the parking lot before the show I had some electric juice
As I sat there, suddenly China Rider from 4 26 71 came on

Yowzah yowzah yowzah

No electric juice since then

Great show by PnF

I wonder if the fact that Duane Allman and the Beach Boys guested means that the full run is less likely to be released. Although I think maybe one of the tracks featuring Duane came out on an Allman Brothers compilation a while back.

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Submitted by Gary Farseer on Tue, 04/26/2022 - 13:50

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Drive by Truckers in a few days, same venue either day before or after is Jason Isbell and the 400 unit. Jason Isbell is with EmmyLou Harris and others. DBT with Mavis Staples and others.

Saw DBT so many times in a small clubs around here, that was when Jason was with them.

For me, also Widespread X3 and Dave Matthews 1 show coming up. Plus Primus this weekend.

May even get my country music bangor and clangor on with many artists heading this way. Trying to make up my mind on seeing Vince Gill. Probably not Brooks and Dunn or the Judds. Live music budget has to be worked out.

Waiting impatiently Dave. J/K no complaints here. Operations have made substantial upgrades in the last 2 years.

G

Also in cue possiblities are :

America
Joe Satriani
Black Crowes
Kenny Chesney
Skynyrd
are possibilities

In less consideration
Dierks Bentley
Styx and REO
My Morning Jacket

Music seen booming here.

Revised and edited.

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Submitted by That Mike on Tue, 04/26/2022 - 14:49

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That’s great you saw the Truckers when Isbell was in the band, quite a line up then with his wife on bass. I think they are a kick ass band, and I’m looking forward to their new record in June. As for Emmylou, I think she still has the greatest voice in her field, and I’d never pass on a chance to see her play.
I was scouring the upcoming shows today, and you’re right, a lot to choose from being summer touring season, but budgeting for it is another matter.
Ordered the “new” Fabulous Furry Freak Bros hardcover today, one of a series of four in the series. Those comix never get old!

Thinking of Beach Boys, every so often I go back over to the tube to watch an old clip of the Beach Boys backing Chicago on their song "Wishing You Were Here." It is such a great performance especially vocally. Think it is NYE 1974. Trying to remember when Dick Clark started his NYE specials.

FYI, the remastered Chicago first couple of releases are mu-nay.

Nappy! Thanks for wheelchair taper post/lync. Lots of interesting stuff there.

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Submitted by adedhed68 on Tue, 04/26/2022 - 16:58

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Notice received. Now the wait!

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Submitted by wissinomingdeadhead on Wed, 04/27/2022 - 00:37

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A year of 2 sounds, pre 8/4/79-post 8/4/79 the difference being the sound of the Tiger & YES Fall '79 is my favorite era AFTER Fall '72 speaking of Fall 72 check out 10/28/72 the only thing I can say is WOW!!!!!!

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Submitted by Born Cross Eye… on Wed, 04/27/2022 - 03:31

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On April 26 2022.
My own idea of the estimated arrival date - is just before Billy's Birthday. Any time after that, excluding Sunday, May 8th, *talk cute* to the USPS Inspectors.

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Submitted by That Mike on Wed, 04/27/2022 - 03:35

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Auston Matthews is the first US born player to reach 60 goals in an NHL season! I’ve said this before, I grew up with this game, and he is one of the best I’ve ever seen.
Now, how about bringing that Stanley Cup back to Toronto, AM….

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Submitted by PT Barnum on Wed, 04/27/2022 - 06:31

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Orchestra to play shows in Europe to celebrate the E72 tour this September. The band will have Alligator being played by Jeff Matheson. Anybody over across the pond planning on going to any of these shows? I'm sure they will be epic.
Jeff channels Jerry very well, can only imagine the sounds he will get out of Gator.

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Submitted by Angry Jack Straw on Wed, 04/27/2022 - 06:35

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Vguy - sorry about your boys. I told you last year that trading Alex Tuch was a horrible decision. At least now he can go golfing with some of his former teammates.

Mike - good luck to the Leafs. We all know the outcome, but I’ll back them. Other than Toronto I find almost all the playoff teams in the East unlikable.

Colorado is the team to beat. Nevertheless, I still want Canadaland to win a Cup. I’ll take the Oilers in the west and the Leafs in the east.

Good luck to some.

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Submitted by JimInMD on Wed, 04/27/2022 - 06:41

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Definitely worth seeing.. Jeff can shred. He can't quite sing like Jerry, but he can play. If/when I venture across the pond again, I would really like to see some of those venues.

As for hockey and sports in general.. yea, the ups and downs of winning and losing. It's only a matter of time until you are on the losing end of playoffs and championships...

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Submitted by Douglas Otto on Wed, 04/27/2022 - 07:46

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Love getting the shipping notice email but hate that it doesn’t move for a week. Wish when you buy the “early bird” subscription that you can upgrade the shipping. I’m okay with paying more knowing the USPS isn’t involved. Play dead!

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Submitted by adedhed68 on Wed, 04/27/2022 - 08:43

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I’m not even going to bother checking tracking, it’ll just make me nuts, but has anybody’s Cds started moving? It would be nice to hear some good news……

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Submitted by Colin Gould on Wed, 04/27/2022 - 09:30

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RIP Klaus Schulze.
Saw TD in 1978, at least I saw the laser show and the banks of synths. I expect there were people behind them.

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Submitted by rasta5ziggy on Wed, 04/27/2022 - 09:42

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sorry to burst anybody's nitrous bubble, but I would rather play any DaP then listen to DSO, D & C, Wolfpack or any other GD cover band. Local band around here called Hyrider and they are all the same: marginal, terrible garage bands. Unimaginative, boring, and lame.
Now back to your regularly scheduled programming.

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Submitted by That Mike on Wed, 04/27/2022 - 10:07

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Jack - You’re right, the Leafs have as much chance of winning it all as Herb Tarlek did getting Lonnie Anderson’s Jennifer character to go out with him, but dim hope is better than none. I think Tampa Bay is still the team to beat, with Florida and Colorado in the running.
I’ve received my shipping notice for DaP 42 a few days ago, but based on the “low octane”postal service in these parts, I’m thinking the first round of playoffs will be over by the time it arrives.

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Submitted by daverock on Wed, 04/27/2022 - 10:50

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I'd have gone to see DSO in pre covid times. See what they are like. I saw Live Dead 69 with Tom Constanten about 3 years ago, and Terrapin Truckin with Phil Lesh about 2014, I think. Obviously neither band could hold a candle to The Dead, but it was a night out with people who were into the Gratefuls, serenaded by a Grateful Dead type sound. I saw Jerry on stage at the LiveDead69 gig - his ghost, anyway. As soon as my brain registered it, he disappeared. All good harmless fun.

Sorry to read about Klaus Schulze. I may be wrong, but I think he only played on one Tangerine Dream album - the synth free first one "Electronic Meditation". Music of the Gods - it reminds me of Ummagumma a bit. Highly recommended if you haven't heard it and like pre Dark Side Pink Floyd. Klaus Schulze plays drums on it.

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Submitted by stillwaters on Wed, 04/27/2022 - 11:14

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I would also like to announce I am in the middle of a deep dive in May '77. Listening to every show during the month and am having a great time! Currently on 5/19 (Dick's Picks 29.)

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Submitted by itsburnsy on Wed, 04/27/2022 - 11:25

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New Jerry release just announced, 1974, oh yeah.

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