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    One more Saturday night at Winterland! Yes, we're back to home base for DAVE'S PICKS VOLUME 42, the complete show from Winterland, San Francisco, 2/23/74. The one that featured the earliest amalgamation of what would soon become the Wall of Sound, the one that is so "loud, clear, and defined," it's been ripe for release for quite some time and we're glad it's finally getting its due.

    First set or second, there are no wrong answers here. From the unique show opener of Chuck Berry's "Around And Around" and an incredible "Here Comes Sunshine" that would then disappear for 18 years, to a medley of WAKE OF THE FLOOD tracks - "Row Jimmy," "Weather Report Suite," and "Stella Blue" - cementing their status in the canon and an unstoppable hour through the classic 1973-1974 Dead that is “He’s Gone”>“Truckin’”>“Drums”>“The Other One”>“Eyes Of The World,” it's all exceptionally hot.

    Limited to 25,000 numbered copies, DAVE’S PICKS VOLUME 42: WINTERLAND, SAN FRANCISCO, 2/23/74 was recorded by Kidd Candelario and has been mastered to HDCD specs by Jeffrey Norman at Mockingbird Mastering. Grab a copy while you can.

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    Hampton Comes Alive's
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    High energy, bitches

  • Vguy72
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    ....I really don't know where to start regarding the lore, but it gets deep. But, I do know where to start regarding getting into them. A Live One or New Years '95. Check em out. I'll refund your time somehow if you don't get IT. And we all know what IT is.
    King Gizzard are pretty cool. They can't be pigeonholed into a certain category, and I can appreciate that. So many awesome sounds. Reminds me a little of The Flaming Lips. A little.

  • proudfoot
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    Zappa?

    Start with "we're only in it for the money"

    I like a lot of his stuff, but therez plenty of meh, in my opinionionionionionion

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    I totally agree with you on Phish. Don’t know where to start on their library, and I haven’t been able to connect with much I listened to. Zappa, I have just never much cared for, but I respect folks like his body of work.
    PS - Grant Green was a fine guitarist, and a big influence on Walter Becker - the similarity in their tone and touch is incredible!

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    That video with Trey and the little girl.

    You know, we humans might be capable of every sort of atrocity, and we might leave the Earth to a smoking cinder by the time we extinct ourselves (along with half the life on our planet), but we had our moments, didn't we? There were times when we came together to sing songs and dance and love each other and created beauty just for joy of it. Maybe that's enough? Maybe it doesn't matter (anyway).

    That video made my day. Almost makes me want to check out Phish, which, sad to say, I've never really done.

    Ever been kind of afraid to dive into a band or a musician, because you know that have such a deep catalogue and so many obsessive fans and so much lore? I know people who feel like that about the Dead. I kinda feel that way about Zappa: know lots of good people who love him, obsess over him, have to have every scrap of music they can get. And it kinda scares me off. Like, where would I begin? Where would it end?

    Glad to see King Gizz get some love. Those guys are just ridiculously prolific, and they love to confound all notions of musical genre, so they're had to pin down, but when they're in garage psych mode (as they usually are live) I really like them. Check out I'm in Your Mind Fuzz or maybe Polygondawandaland if you're curious. Or better yet Live in San Francisco.

    Last five:

    GOGD: DiP 31
    Miles Davis: Filles de Kilimanjaro
    Charles Mingus: Mingus Dynasty
    Ty Segall: Freedom's Goblin
    Grant Green: Grant's First Stand

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    birthday anniversary yesterday. Sure wish him and Jerry were still around.

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    MIKE: just some self deprecating humor there, the best kind!
    Funny I don’t recall 2001 so much, but have cool memories of 1996. Had just move here that winter and we’re watching up in the hills at one of my cousins west of Boulder so we had to go back down and through Boulder on our way home at the time east of town. Even at that late hour there were nuts partying in the streets, people were driving around hoking horns in the middle of the night, it’s was wild and such a good feeling to finally be a “winner” after all the frustrating Buffalo years. If they can pull it off Friday, gonna be a big pa-teh in the city fo sho! Not so sure about the state, these folks aren’t quite the Hockey fans we are. Now I don’t get out much but I haven’t seen or heard anyone out here in the boonies talking about it which is sad.
    But hey, don’t cha know I’ll be ready!

    ISTSHOW: I read about that show, the bad ole daze of Colorado concerts. Heard/read about the crazy Folsom field shows BITD too. Must of been a gas! My first stadium show was quite the eye opener for a 15 year old: Bob Welch, Pablo Cruise, Foreigner, and Fleetwood Mac at the Ralph.I can still picture Stevie and Lindsey Glaring at each other as they sang and LB breaking strings he was playing so hard during Go Your Own Way, like they fully meant it lol. Great R&R!
    My Biggest crowd/Concert was Woodstock 94, surreal how many people were there!

    DAVEROCK: generally two kinds of loud: dbs, and ear damage due to sustained distortion and/or shitty sound.
    You can cause hearing damage often accompanied by ringing/not being able to hear temporarily at low DB if the sound is distorted. Sustained exposure to things like power tools etc can cause permanent hearing damage much more easily than just loud dbs if the sound is clean. This is science not opinion. Plenty of Dan Healy on this out there.
    I owned some of the same equipment and worked for a band that had a smaller version of the wall, so can attest that though the music is often not too loud (you can talk to your buddy etc) normally, but during peaks in the music things can get very loud, and because it’s so clean you don’t realize it like Simon said. I’ve had stereos like that too.
    But as good as the wall was, I’ve read every member of the team has stated over the years that the Meyers PA that they used in the late 80s etc could get way louder and was cleaner than the wall due to technological advances, including scale as it was now more practical to have increased and improved amps, speakers etc than the wall, and that it could sound better! Yes the wall was awesome, but it’s more about the historic significance about the innovation of what and when they created all this new tech, and the myth that has been built around it. I’ve experienced the Meyers PA hundreds of times where it WAS so loud but clean that you couldn’t easily hear your buddy, but didn’t realize it until you tried! Of course this can present a different and perhaps more dangerous hearing situation as you could actually do permanent damage and not even know it until it’s too late! The Meyers system had that potential but luckily Healy and co knew better.

    Most of the “rock” bands I saw had horrible sound because it was too distorted AND too damn loud. Saw The Who the day after those poor folks died in Cincinnati in December 79 and they had what I believe, but didn’t know of at the time, was a Meyers PA, but it was being used improperly and was ridiculously loud and shrill (all high end etc).
    It literally made the concert hard to enjoy!
    Yes, yet another one of the many unknown but awesome things the Dead did: basically invent good concert sound reinforcement that has changed the entire industry!

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    Integral to the transition from pop from the Brill building to soul and rock & roll of the 60s. Still some of my favorite hits. Stevie Wonder a great example of that transitional period.
    The Way You Do The Things You Do and How Sweet It Is - JGB staples.
    Remembering my older sister and friends perfecting their dance moves to Motown on the big mono system Dad built. The Alligator dance craze where one dives head first to the floor in a push-up move. Quite athletic and the girls made the floor shake doing that one.
    Glad you're digging it DR!
    Cheers

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    Sounds as though it was superb, and very conducive to the music being played. Provided not too many people took the option of talking to their mates, of course. As you probably know, with Sabbath, Purple and their ilk, not only couldn't you hear your mates in the hall-you couldn't hear them on the bus on the way home either.

    As side trip, I am getting a bit lost in the world of 1960s Motown at the moment, which I have never listened to before. I bought the Complete Singles 1967 box a while back, to go with the "Detroit 67 The Year That Changed Soul" book by Stuart Cosgrove that I was reading. So good, I decided to get the 1965 box. Then the 1963 one. And now the much coveted 1966 box arrived this morning. Great, great singles. Once I get the 1964 one-and maybe the 1968 one - I will call it quits.

  • 1stshow70878
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    My first big outdoor show. Sun Day #1 on 6-23-74 with ABB, Marshall Tucker, Steve Miler, Elvin Bishop, and Wet Willie at Mile High Stadium. And the ABB set had a Whipping Post!
    All in their prime, albeit lacking Duane. May still stand as the biggest crowd at a show I attended. Second largest was likely the Hard Rain tour at Ft. Collins Hughes Stadium the next summer. Dylan and The Beach Boys. Weird bill but a fantastic show. I don't even come close to some of you guys! Like Monterey Pop, Englishtown, etc. but a good time was had by all despite the warm beer.
    Cheers

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One more Saturday night at Winterland! Yes, we're back to home base for DAVE'S PICKS VOLUME 42, the complete show from Winterland, San Francisco, 2/23/74. The one that featured the earliest amalgamation of what would soon become the Wall of Sound, the one that is so "loud, clear, and defined," it's been ripe for release for quite some time and we're glad it's finally getting its due.

First set or second, there are no wrong answers here. From the unique show opener of Chuck Berry's "Around And Around" and an incredible "Here Comes Sunshine" that would then disappear for 18 years, to a medley of WAKE OF THE FLOOD tracks - "Row Jimmy," "Weather Report Suite," and "Stella Blue" - cementing their status in the canon and an unstoppable hour through the classic 1973-1974 Dead that is “He’s Gone”>“Truckin’”>“Drums”>“The Other One”>“Eyes Of The World,” it's all exceptionally hot.

Limited to 25,000 numbered copies, DAVE’S PICKS VOLUME 42: WINTERLAND, SAN FRANCISCO, 2/23/74 was recorded by Kidd Candelario and has been mastered to HDCD specs by Jeffrey Norman at Mockingbird Mastering. Grab a copy while you can.

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Hung over, barely conscious, slumped in the lazy boy, bit of drool on the chin? Watching highlights.
Get a grip man, it’s only game one so far!!
When the going gets weird…
It was a tale of two cities: the AVs came down on the Preds like their namesake on a small Swiss village, but ESPN had to ruin it, at least for moi. Because of the never ending Rangers/Pens game (Boo!) they sent the AVs game to another channel. Well if your recording the game like I’m guessing a significant population ahem, you probably were unaware of this situation until it was too late, Dooaahh!
So only caught part of the first and the third periods. Hopefully the AVs are THAT good, and this wasn’t a fluke?
Tonight we’re turning Canadian again (actually I’m part Canadian already) and heading back to the TO where hopefully the Leafs will show us there for real this year and not the Leaves again!
GO LEAFS!!

I know it is one game, but I told you the Avs were good. And still the team to beat.

Look at it this way, at least you recoded the rangers/pens game and not a Hallmark movie. What a game. The rangers looked like they were going to blow them out after period 1. Chalk it up to inexperience.

Good luck to the Leafs tonight. I was very surprised by how flat Tampa was in game 1. Expecting a much better effort tonight.

Edmonton - WTF? Way to give away game 1.

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Hockey:

It's hard to watch with the constant camera motion. I get motion sickness.

Also, never been a big hockey fan.

I have made my "I leave sports alone to avoid disappointment" comments previously, too.

And, don't you have to pay to watch the playoffs on the telly?

I do enjoy watching y'alls comments on the playoffs.

last 5
Boris - Feedbacker
13th Floor Elevators - Live (amazing cover art, horrific production...studio tracks with canned audience applause and cheers and stuff)
Gov't Mule - Dub Side of the Mule (didn't make it to the end)
Nashville Pussy - High as Hell
Tangerine Dream - Rubycon

GD: 5/25/77 (disc three awaits)

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True to form, my DaP is likely sitting in some Customs house, where it will remain for days waiting for clearance. It’s amazing how I can order CDs from Germany, Switzerland, and the UK, and it is generally ten calendar days door to door, but DaP will be minimum 14, 15+ days.

As for the playoffs, I have great faith that Colorado is going to be in the final. They are a team built for the body burn that is the playoffs; they crushed a decent Nashville team last night like they were a college practice squad. Tonight, let thy might Leafs take another step up the rung with another win. Everyone says Tampa played so poorly. Hey. props to them as a good team, but maybe, just maybe, the Leafs are that good.

Oro - Before taking out citizenship here, let me tell you we have a useless waste of space for a “leader”. And don’t get me going on the taxes to pay for this moron’s brainstorms…

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BETTER than 05-08-77
YES I SAID IT!!!!!!!

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Excellent choice of shows. Great Here Comes Sunshine and one of the best locomotive Big Rivers and effervescent Eyes Of The World that exist. Sound is wonderful. Having said all that, how about printing all enclosed reading material (speaking of Wasserman's column specifically) large enough to read. Please. Even with readers I had to get a magnifying glass and I can't be the only one. Thank you.

YOU ARE NOT THE ONLY ONE!!!!!

I WAS GOING TO SCAN IT IN JUST SO I COULD BLOW UP ENOUGH!!!

The other thing is when text color and background color and font all clash into something you can't read.

Yellow letters on a black background, may sound good, but damn that can be a hard one!

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@wissinoming
I've never heard the first set but the second set is superb. IMHO, the best Comes A Time ever. I've skipped back and played it 4 or 5x in a row. I wish this was in the May 77 box instead of 5-5.

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As already pointed out, the sound on this one is top shelf. Oro that was for you compliments of RJ.

As also mentioned, the boys had difficulty with the vocals for the first few songs. Suboptimal, yes, but it doesn’t really take away from the rest of the music. HCS is unbelievable. The vocals on that song are large the irrelevant anyway. To me that has always been unbelievably jammed out first set song. Love hearing it during this era.

I can’t read the liner notes either. However, a non-music highlight for me is the quote from the chick from Hayward on the inside cover.

When I was growing up we lived near a concrete spillway. On it was spray painted Uriah Heep. Next to it scrawled in smaller letters was the saying “ The Grateful Dead is for your head.” I never understood what it meant growing up. Now I do.

Go Leafs.

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You're absolutely correct it's that Playin>Comes A Time>Playin sequence that makes it. And I agree this show more than ever beckons a full Norman. As far as the first set IMO the L.L. Rain is the BEST ever played and the set closing Dancin is BETTER than the gem played 05/08. It's also one the best SB's I ever heard. Yeah MAY the 4th BE WITH YOU!!!!

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I didn’t lick it, saving that for the weekend.

Small print and using similar colors for text and background, definitely a major fail.
I stopped trying to read the booklets years ago.

I really like this Playing in the Band so far…

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Just arrived. Will give it a spin tonight.

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Greetings All.

A question for your collective, valued knowledge and recollection. Does anyone know or recall if "Dave" had produced a video to announce the release of the Europe '72 Box set back in, was it 2011? Or was the official release only posted on Dead.net in a written announcement? I have tried various searches, but I cannot seem to locate any information on a video announcement for the release.

Any help with this question would be appreciated.

Hope everyone has a nice day.

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Spacebrother,

Please check your PM.

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....that song holds a special place in my ❤️. It was the first GD song I listened to after Jerry passed. Had a tape in my truck stereo.
Got off work and headed to my friend's house. We just listened to the Dead all night and barely said a word. Smoked a lot. Nothing had to be said.
Still miss you big guy.
"And it's strange how no one comes around anymore".
We had just mail ordered for MSG. Would have been our first east coast shows. Money orders were returned.
Some heads actually got physical tix back. I'm actually grateful we didn't. Is that weird?
Edit. Slipknot! tease in the Playin' y'all!! I wonder if that was random and Jerry wrote down that riff for future use or if they were already working on it.
Interesting.
Double edit for spoilers. Apologies. But it's cool AF. Gonna rewind. I'll be right back.

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I like the china cat loafing on a speaker on the back of the bonus disk sleeve.

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Jerry sounds really into it on the vocals on sugaree. He really stresses out the words like he popped a quaalude or two, which is a good thing.

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It’s been in “USPS currently awaiting package” purgatory for five days now. Beginning to suspect in a couple of weeks I’ll have to drop customer service a line and hope there’s a replacement copy available. Went through this with one of last year’s releases. Most aggravating.

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aka: Cinco de Mayo.
The victory over the French oppressors.
Viva Mexico!
Salud!
I'm really just at the party for the food.

It only serves to aggravate.

Get refreshed and reaquaint yourself with your GD collection for a few days. Daves 42 will show up quick.

It's like the phrase "a watched pot never boils"

Maybe that's a family thing...

But anyway, rejoice! Daves 42 will get to you!!!

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There were no video announcements of Dead products back then. I DO recall getting updates as to how many discs it would take to finish the set. Either they were still getting tapes, or they hadn't quite worked out how to best present these complete shows on discs.
I cannot recall exactly when the video announcements came, though I am confidant that one of our brother "Heads" will come up with the answer to this riddle.
I'm still waiting for my Dave's 42, but still listening to other great stuff:

Phish-8/11/21 Hershey Park
Elton John-Capt. Fantastic & The Brown Dirt Cowboy
Al DiMeola-Casino
Paul Bley-Fragments
Bruce Springsteen-Letter To You

Music is the BEST!!

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makes me reach out to those who are enduring that ish for real.

May Peace Prevail on Earth.

Joseph Campbell said, "The Grateful Dead are the antidote to the atom bomb." (that might be a paraphrase, but I read it somewhere)

GRATEFUL DEAD FOR EVERYONE!!!

"there's a party in my mind
and I hope it never stops"
-TH

What to wear? What to listen to on the drive? Packing and heading out the door in a bit...Vegas for A Cinco with Mariachi Vargas and then tomorrow night Lobos at Boulder Station (which is where I'm staying...always good to take an elevator to a show)...Now where's those French tourists I can slap around to celebrate???

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Missing not being in Vegas, drinking tequila with vguy this year! But I'll have a remote shot or three!

Listening to 1st Olympia night from RSD Vinyl today and sounds sweet. Have not had a chance to taste latest DaP. Entering the convergence where E'72 and May77 collide.

Trying to stay focused... My DaP1 vinyl is arriving on Mother's Day - woops...

Stay safe and have a fun 5/5!

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...number 1152 has landed, yesterday! A day earlier than predicted by UPS!

So far the Dire Wolf, Here Comes Sunshine, and that awesome jam after Let it Grow stand out for me. Someone commented that Jerry is really stretching out the lyrics in his singing Sugaree, that's for sure.

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I appreciate your time in replying to my post. I have found videos announcements going back to Dave's Picks #1. I do remember the 'unboxing' of Spring 90 video, but nothing before that.

Those videos have been made available for some time now, on the GD videos channel on Youtube.

Thank you again for your time.

Hope you have a nice day and your DaP 42 arrives today.

Regards.

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A drawing had various song lyrics intertwined into drawing

One set of lyrics said

Trouble ahead
Ttouble behind

I found that to be cool

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"Taking an elevator to a show" sounds like an implicit invitation to overdo the tah-kill-ya... Don't do anything I wouldn't do, Nappyrags!

Finally arrived at the last disc of St Louis box, said to be the killer in the box. That's tonight. Then I turn to DP 42.

Still pondering the imponderable: what kind of box has TPTB been cooking up?

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After learning that my order was “returned to sender” due to a “bad address,” I reached out to Rhino. A person named Dr. Rhino immediately responded and offered to send a replacement. 48 hours later, the USPS recognized their mistake and delivered the package. I wrote Dr. Rhino and told him to cancel the replacement. I share this post to say that Rhino didn’t mess up, but they were willing to fix the problem. I know that saying positive things about Rhino isn’t popular, but here we are.

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....one of the best aspects of this site, is connecting with like minded music loving folks.
Meeting up with Nappy tomorrow at the Los Lobos gig.
Looking very much forward to it.

Should be great, have fun.

One word of advice. if Nappy comes alone, you should be fine, however.. if he comes with his cat it's a set up and all bets are off. Were pretty sure that cat is responsible for some shady and unexplained occurances.

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"Still pondering the imponderable: what kind of box has TPTB been cooking up?"

Hello.

It's been a couple years I have been pondering what a birthday box would look like...

What birthday show of each member of the band would you like too see included in the box?

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I'll Bite

Phil
03/15/69
Hilton Hotel - San Francisco, CA

Bobby
10/16/81
Club Melk Weg - Amsterdam, Netherlands

Billy
05/07/89
Frost Amphitheater, Stanford University - Palo Alto, CA

Pigpen
With 9/8/73 being recently released... this was a tough one
09/08/91
Madison Square Garden - New York City, NY

Mickey
09/11/83
Santa Fe Downs - Santa Fe, NM

Jerry
08/01/73
Roosevelt Stadium - Jersey City, NJ

Keith
07/19/89
Alpine Valley Music Theater - East Troy, WI

Donna
08/22/68
Fillmore West - San Francisco, CA

Tom - going with 3/19/77 knowing this show really should be released with the Winterland Spring 1977 Box Set.
03/19/77
Winterland Arena - San Francisco, CA
(honorable mention - 03/19/73- Nassau Coliseum - Uniondale, NY)

Bruce
11/23/73
County Coliseum - El Paso, TX

Vince
02/21/69
Dream Bowl - Vallejo, CA

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no email, no tracking, nothing, nada, but it arrived anyway. Just heard that usps will be upping the cost to mail letters and packages, what else is new.
Quaaludes, I remember reading or hearing about a show that someone gave Jerry some ludes, it did not go well.

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I'll only use shows that they played on. : Phil. 3/15/69. Black & White Ball S.F. PIG. Pen9/8/67. Eagles Auditorium WA. Bob. 10/16/74. Winterland, Bill. 5/7/70. MIT. Jerry. 8/1/73. N.J. Mickey. 9/11/81. Greek Theatre ( I was there, it was a killer show. They sang Mickey happy birthday before the show. Now that is a killer box set.

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This is addressed to ALL on this site. You guys and gals are the Best!! Somedays, my only laughs come from you. Keep it up, we all need to smile.
Hoping for a Da's 42 delivery this weekend!!

Music is the Best(Too)!!

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For Jerry's 31st birthday on 08/01/73 at Roosevelt Stadium - Jersey City, NJ. I clearly recall a woman sitting on a man's shoulders at the lip of the stage handing a bday cake to a roadie while the band was on stage. I could see Jer smiling from 100 feet away. And that's pretty much my ONLY memory of that two-nighter with The Band, as it occurred mere days after the two-dayer at Watkins Glen. I was all of 15, but getting wiser by the day. Man, were we crisp.

Back to JimInMD on the upcoming box, with a nod to Vguy and Nappy gettin' crazy with Los Lobos. Wish I was there.

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Missed it by this much. Once it got rolling, 42 looked like it might get here ahead of schedule, then it sat for four days in GJ, was “supposed” to be here yesterday, PO has it now, so went, but hasn’t processed it. Anticipation, it’s making me wait!

FOURWINDS: nice to see you, fun box idea, I’ll bite:
VINCE: 73 or 91 whoops, sorry Vince!
PHIL: 73
TOM: 73, whooops, missed the 73 first time
BILLY: 89, or 78
KEITH: 89
JERRY: 73! Dark Star!
DONNA: 72
PIG: 91 Good Show
MICKEY: 73 Dark Star!
BOBBY: 74 or 81
BRENT: 73
BRUCE: 73

NAPPPY and VGUY: I smell trouble! Yes, I’m jealous!

JOSHOGORMAN: great news! Doc to the rescue again!

Glad most are enjoying the new tunes!

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just sayin

and thank you, Mr Ones

this is a place for my psyche to express itself and to hear from other crazies

y'all be cool

I like the way you think.. except some of these shows either were not recorded or the tapes do not exist (thinking 9/8/67, etc.). Don't give Rhino any ideas suggesting we might pay for a rare yet empty box set, they might go for it.

Proudfoot.. oh crap, I forgot Vince. So sorry, adding it now.

Mr. Ones, thank you, and right back at you.

PT Barnum, could it have been Valium instead? I recall reading a show where someone was giving them out backstage and Jerry jumped at the opportunity, downed a few and as it turns out he might have been allergic to Valium. 2/7/79?? Words of Wisdom from Jeff Spicoli, "People on ludes should not drive" (or play guitar and sing at the same time)

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