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I’m sure plenty are thrilled with this and I’m happy for y’all. My preferred format is disc as I just can’t handle shows on vinyl…likely would have jumped at this as a CD box, even at the whole run as All-Music Edition, as I missed the original release. Gonna pass though on this and on the stand alone. What’s next?!

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"I have tasted the maggots in the mind of the universe. I was not offended, for I knew I had to rise above it all, or drown in my own shit."

Go, maggot brain! Go, maggot brain!

I have been slogging my way through Davz 2: 7 31 74

I need to do a road trip to hear some shows in their entirety.

Dennis - yes I would agree with what you say. The fact that this Lyceum box is 4 shows in one box, though, and only available through deadnet. makes it very much more expensive than the Fillmore West 69 shows and the Dicks Picks. Especially if you don't live in the States.
You can get the Fillmore West shows on UK Amazon without any of the tax, import duties etc. The Dicks Picks vinyl releases cost more-but the fact that they dribble out one at a time always makes them tempting.

The best thing with this Lyceum set would be if hardly anyone bought it - then the price might drop a bit!

Most records now run around $25 per disc at my local record store, and that’s exactly what the box set is costing. Add that gorgeous packaging makes this much easier to justify. I don’t think it’s over priced at all, but with 24 discs it just adds up fast. We ordered it and don’t feel like it’s an outrageous price for what you get, but it is a lot of money all at once, so I understand the dilemma. I just didn’t want to miss out on something this special.

Of course 600 bucks is a chunk of money and I can understand why it doesn't fly off the shelf. I was looking at the "new" multi color release of E72 album and thought about spending the money on it also, then I remembered I have the Vinyl Me Please box set of the Grateful Dead story. I then first checked the price of the VMP box on ebay (don't look if you're of faint heart). This brought me to checking VMP website,,,, not a good place to go if you don't want to spend money. They have a preorder going on of Willie Nelson,,, looks good.

But really the vinyl IS for people with money to piss away. If the choice is rent/vinyl, pay the rent. Collecting is always about money no matter what the item.

Example, Jigsaw puzzles. You wouldn't think they be high price collectables. But check out Clementoni Puzzle 13200 Leonardo Da Vinci Annunciazione,,,, seen one online for 900 euro's. Really big puzzles they only make so many of, not that they are making them "limited", but they only make so many. I have a 40,000 piece one that's out of print, new in box. Was a 300 dollar puzzle when first came out, final ones went for 160 on amazon (should have grabbed it), finally found one spend 400 on it,,,, now their 900 on the ebay.

Easy to say it's only about the music, but really the music is always available, as some point out spotify has it all. I'm sure if asked anyone on this site would be happy to make a digital copy for you. So the music IS there.

But if you want the "fancy" colors, the "book", the other shit, well then you have to pony up.

Be happy you're not collecting guns or cars :-)

sorry for the ramble,,, too early and too much coffee man.

ps - on the stupid side,,,, I looked high and low for my confirmation of the vinyl order for 1 from the vault,,,, found them for 2 & 3, but not 1. So I ordered a copy,,,,,,, THEN, I found the damn confirmation,,,, so now I will have two copies of this!! This has happened to me 3 times now. Why I should write shit down!

I see this more like purchasing a work of art than a set of music. Something that becomes a permanent addition to your home, to help create the sort of 'space' you enjoying living in. Like purchasing a painting, a rug, a stained glass, whatever it is you might value. And from that sort of view point, $550 is not completely unreasonable. But, for me, not now. If copies are around for a while, once I have some other expenses taken care of, who knows. It looks like a beaut though!

It would take me a long time to get through all 24 records…definitely an advantageous box set

Except for the $500 it’s a no brainer...I’m in!

Is this 24LP box big enough for me to live in once my wife throws me out of the house for buying it?

I'm sure like most, I would of preferred unreleased shows. I planned to listen to the Lyceum shows over the weekend on CD from the trunk I purchased at release, to convince myself I don't need to spend this large sum of money for the 24 LP Box. Instead, I listened to the Paris show on Vinyl and was reminded how on "my" system, vinyl actually sounds a lot better. Now I'm really in a pickle. I'll likely let my order go through and enjoy every second of it, but..... While I understand there is more to come this year, I feel bad that for those that don't prefer vinyl and those who already have this show, there's not much here to get excited about. I really don't get why previously released shows are being rehashed when there is still so much left unreleased. It may feel to some making these decisions that a lot needs to be held back to ensure years of sales, but try looking at this from an old deadheads point of view. Many, like myself that are in our late sixties and 70's, don't know how much time we even have. I think you should select releases that are a win/win and stop reissuing what has already been, despite how amazing it will sound for those of us that prefer Vinyl, except for one off's like record store day, etc. While I'm on a soap box, I'll also say, please give us more video. I know there's a ton of it and it would be nice to not only listen to the dead, but also to see more of them while doing so. Thanks

I played the first two Lyceum shows as well this weekend to see how the sound has held up. They seem slightly more muted than the Paris on vinyl, but I think I will keep with the cds for now. Exceptional shows, of course.

Seems a bit odd to me that when you come into the deadnet site, the first thing you see is that they are celebrating the 50th anniversary of the album Europe 72- not the tour. To me that's a bit like celebrating the finger that's pointing at the moon, rather than the moon itself.

Daverock

I’d much rather they reissue the Complete Recordings box set. It’s a fitting a time as any

I’m trying to help the cause and get the message to Dave & co. Please release all of the Europe 72 run of shows individually for those of us that missed out! I was really hoping for the 50th anniversary they would do this, but hopefully it’s not over and they will… 🍻

Now might be the time to get a turntable! I missed out on the Fillmore West 1969 box, and I always hoped that it would be re-released at some point. While they haven't done that as such, they have released the first three shows from the box on vinyl. Hopefully with 3/2/69 to follow at some point. So, looking at other posts on here, and following on from this earlier example, maybe all Europe 72 will come out on vinyl, too.

the finger at the moon and the sound of one hand clapping...I was expecting a Europe Volume 3 , and maybe a box set with Europe 72, vol 2 and 3 . I bought Europe 72 à la carte. Well it is a very beautiful vinyl box that doesn't suit me well. Most of the time I listen to the show on my bed for siesta, and I Like it very linear, even if i visit slumberland during drums or the other one, and get a big breath for the end of the show. if they get the same recording quality than Paris 05/3 this must be awesome.
à la carte I would order the 05/24.
I am very sastified with all my cd collection from Dick to Dave Picks and roadtrips Serie and expect something new, and I won't change my JGarcia Band vinyl with the whole Lyceum shows.
Congratulations to all of you than can abide this beautiful gift.

... is not very many. Dave's Picks Vol. 1 was only 5000 copies and that's already long gone. The forthcoming RSD Wembley 5-LP box was pressed at 10,000 copies. In the end, this is merely a spectacular slipcase that holds four individual shows pressed at very low numbers by any Dead standard. And it comes with a 52-page book? Boom. That shakes out to the standard $150 per show. I imagine these box sets will not only sell out, they will be coveted due to limited pressing numbers alone.

After further reflection, I think I understand the motives here on this 24 LP release. While I know it's expensive and for many, already owned on CD, many don't. Also, for many, on their particular systems, Vinyl is superior of a listening experience. So, the first offering to celebrate the 50th, with a nod to Europe 72, it makes total sense David and Company would select some of the most inspirational shows the dead performed on that tour, much less, ever; to be available on Vinyl. I just revisted this via CD and it is nothing less than amazing. Bravo ! Next year, please do the same for 11/30, 12/1 & 12/2/73, the blessed event at the music hall where Dick omitted 12/1 entirely and didn't include the entire show of Fri & Sunday.

A luxury item to be sure. But how many heads are there? Or as Mr. Burns once said, "Ooh ! And I was going to buy that ivory back scratcher !"

I think there's definitely some logic at work here. Probably some marketing research, too.

This is a release that definitely pushes the envelope. They've done vinyl reissues of individual shows, with 6-8 lps, for $200. They've done CD packages of multi-show runs with dozens of discs, for $200-300. All of 'em have sold out, eventually. And all have been sold for two or three or four times the original price on ebay and discogs. They know there's a large audience for this stuff, and they know that there's a subset who can and will pay hundreds per show. Why not try a 24-lp vinyl reissue of three shows for $600?

In the immortal words of Homer Simpson, "we can't go this far and then not go farther!" This release pushes the price well beyond anything they've done before (AFAIK, anyway). It's too far for me, but I'd be willing to bet it sells out anyway. And if it does, there will be more like it.

All of these shows are available on Apple music and thus my cell-phone for streaming anyway, anyhow, anywhere I choose. Don’t own a turntable (since college days awhile back.). Had my original Europe 72 albums then of course!

Very cool, but not for me.

I think the box is fairly priced, but I already have all these shows on cds so there no reason to buy them. I wish that they would have also released the 1972 BCT run in August 1972 on cd s to commemorate this 50th anniversary, now that I would have gone for.

Billy.. this run has been on my hit parade since my first listens long ago. I reached out to Lemieux and he indicated not all the reels are in the vault. I think we spoke of this both before and after Dave's Picks 24. Holy goodness.. this run reeks with gooey, drippy excellence.

I have this sneaking suspicion if all the reels are not in the vault yet, they might very well be 'accessible.'

You're my brother from another mother. Perhaps one day we will BBQ and talk GD one evening, tomorrow never knows. But here here for the BCT 1972 Mini Box Set.

Edit: and hey, we did get the Fox fall 72 run this year, in the same league. Life is good, rejoice and be thankful or at least Grateful.

You can pre-order a digital download of Lyceum 72 right now.

I’ll take a Box containing whatever exists in the Vault of BCT 72.

"All of these shows are available on Apple music and thus my cell-phone for streaming anyway, anyhow, anywhere I choose." ... Comments like these mean little in terms of the vision and labor that went into making this vinyl sequence. I like streaming when that's all I've got at my disposal. But if I want to really experience the Dead, streaming doesn't hold a candle to vinyl. Why even bother "bragging" about streaming from your phone in a comment section connected to this dreamy box set? It's like comparing your ability to call up on a ride on Uber when the conversation is about buying a Cadillac. This box is BIGGER.

If you were in college or elsewhere in the early 70s spinning Europe '72, that means you're in your early/mid 70s now, if you're lucky. For us younger folks, '72 was/is a classic, no doubt. That said, I'm 45, coming up on 46 quick (I feel like the last of the old Dead guard). Anyway, I'm glad this stuff is being preserved, but I hope I don't have to wait until age 70 for preservation of at least the highlights of all the fun I had 90-95 (there was some good stuff there). How about a best of Rosemont Spring '93/'94 as an example, kind of like Without a Net? Not a full show, no Little Red Roosters, No Corrina, lol. Sure the band wasn't at their best, but those experiences and memories were just as real and genuine as those from '72. As we all know the Dead were the biggest touring act from about '89-'95 (quit a few folks, some there for the tunes) . Us graying, balding, Chicago Gen Xers would like tidy memories while we stain the deck or flip burgers while the neighborhood kids jump on the trampoline. Just a 2 CD disc or digital download would be cool. All that said, it's all good.

10golddollar -I'm a mere youth of 65 - although I got Europe 72 originally about 1977, not the early 70s. It already seemed like an album from a different era. It's outlasted the seemingly cutting edge music of 1977, though.

So the setlists are quite similar in this set - is there a strong enough diversity in the jams to justify this box? I'm very close to pulling the trigger for some insane reason...

I would say there is a surface similarity, but infinite variety in the detail. Having said that, I started off listening to the cds I have of this run from the trunk last week - and whereas I really enjoyed the first two, by the time the third-25th-I felt I had heard enough of this style of playing for that week. Not to say it's inferior to the previous two shows, or that it isn't excellent in it's own right - but listening to all the shows, one after the other on successive days - yes, they do sound similar. But I have found that with all eras - two shows from the same run are enough for me-by the third I feel like moving on.

I think this set would be a great thing to have. though - and not just because of the music.

I hear you! I'm an era hopper as well - that's one of the many reasons I really enjoyed the Fox Box!

How can we order this and pay taxes?

I was at all four nights at the Lyceum. Refreshment was taken at the first and last. Do I get a discount? Aw, come on…

Pete - You just pay the asking price on deadnet, and then, before they deliver it, you will receive notification from the shipping company about how much you have to pay them before they hand over the booty.
Least I think that's how it goes.
Paul - I think you should be entitled to a complimentary box myself. Of chocolates if not vinyl.

Postage is 98$ to Europe!
We can imagine a 100 $ of custom taxes.
The total price could be over 700$!!!
Wilco has got an European store, The Dead not...

Paul - All four nights? Wow, good for you. Well done sir. You were obviously on the Golden Road.

Paul, the Good ol' Grateful Podcast is working its way through the entire Europe 72 tour, with grate interviews with those who were part of the family of nearly 50 people who were on the tour. The Podcast is also looking for people who attended any of the shows to record their remembrances of the event. They play some of these stories during the podcast for that particular venue.

Pulled the trigger on the box even though the content does fall into the Department of Redundencies Department since I already have the steamer trunk. Hard to resist despite the cost. Grabbed the Wembley RSD release yesterday as well and it sounds awesome! One thing though… I’m in Canada and was charged Sales Tax (California Sales Tax I assume)… this should not be the case as I’ll have to pay Canadian tax / duties on delivery. What’s the best contact to have this resolved??

Ppennock-that's good to read. I splashed out on this too, and am wondering if it will sound different to the cd in the trunk.
Regarding sales tax etc-is it best to contact the delivery firm? That's what I did with UPS when they overcharged me for the ST Louis box last October. Mind you, although they agreed to pay me back, last time I looked they hadn't.

If the Wembley show is any indication of what this box set will sound like, then it’s worth the price. The RSD release is just tremendous sound quality, so even though I own the CD Trunk, the upgrade in sound quality makes this a no brainer. If you’re on the fence I definitely think it’s time to jump.

I was hoping someone was going to say that!
It would be great if 5/26/72 came out as a stand release on vinyl-though I don't suppose it will. Well...it might-but as a set pulled from the box and sold at an exorbitant price on ebay. And that's not what I mean at all.

I don't own the Wembley show on CD, so I can't make that comparison, but I can confirm that that RSD vinyl sounds amazing. Which is truly an achievement, given that the hall is supposedly an acoustic nightmare.(According to the Grateful Deadcast, the crew was up all night hanging army surplus parachutes from the rafters trying to improve the sound!) Audio is really good, and the performance is amazing, probably one of the 4-5 best of the whole tour, although again I do not own the suitcase and thus can't make comparisons.

Paul, really hope you share some stories from the Lyceum! As has been mentioned the Deadcast is looking for memories from people who went to those shows.

(But do people who went to those shows have memories? And if so, were they really there?) (Then again, nothing is really real, as far as I can tell.) (Or is it?) ( ... )

I have lots of memories of past gigs and events in general. But that doesn't mean that the things I remember necessarily happened.

Yes, this is a great release. I haven't compared it to the cd in the trunk, but I am well pleased with it. All the platitudes about the actual show are true - great in every department. One thing you don't hear very often is that possibly the best "Yellow Dog Story" was done at this show. I'm tempted to go for the Lyceum box now.

Incidentally, on the subject of vinyl the super dooper deluxe version of Goats Head Soup is now available at Amazon UK for about £44.00. Not bad value - and it sounds better than ever. The main selling point, though, is that it includes the "Brussels Affair".

Really excited about this one... I find that as I'm getting older I am indeed a bit of a vinyl snob. With that said I am still far too young to have been on the bus to enjoy any of these moments in person while Jerry was still alive. This may be about as close as I can get to the fire. Love to you all, enjoy the boxset for those that snagged it!

Interesting that in the sleeve notes of the album, Dave Lemieux says that if this show had been available in the tape trading days it would be as highly regarded as Fillmore East and Binghampton 1970, Fillmore 1971, Veneta 1972 etc. shows. Which I heartily agree. I also wonder if shows released in the Europe 72 trunk get lost in the pack a bit. There are so many great shows, one after the other that individual ones don't stand out to me quite so much. Unlike the ones Dave mentions-which have been released in 3- 4 disc sets with a spotlight on them

.... that these haven't sold out yet?

I would have thought anyone looking to score the complete E72 on vinyl would have jumped all over these. I mean limited to only 4,000 world wide! Practically the last 4 shows with Pig.

Yeah, pricey, but I would have thought there be 4,000 people with 600 bucks to piss away.

..... and yet the axes flew off the shelves!!

Trouble is, like was said on the other board - all the hidden costs. I'm not sure how much it would cost to ship to England, but I think the duty, tax, postage etc would bring the total up to between 800-900 bucks. It might be more than that - and USP aren't that easy to communicate from this side of the pond if they overcharge. I'm still tempted...it looks amazing - but it's a heck of a lot of money!

I see the stuff go by about shipping to UK and think,,,, fuck!

So yeah, I'd have to weight that shit in fer sure. It's like doordashing food, when the fee is more than the product, it's "are you kidding me" time.

Tickets thru that monopoly of a tickets seller and it's the same thing. "I'm sorry a handling fee for every emailed ticket??????"

I vote with my wallet. I see tixs go by for "the boys" and think, no! I'm not spending 500 bucks for one night's Entertaiment. (that would include, parking, tolls and dinner out,,,, I count that shit in with cost of show)

Same with those food delivery services, I CAN NOT believe how the kids I work with use them every night!!! 30 bucks for food!!! You spent a third of your nights pay on food?!?!

How's does fees work,,,, if the dead opened a "dead" store in london, there be no vat to someone in brighton?

Does the dead store pay a fee when they bring "product" into the UK? Is it less than you pay at home?

If you live in England and you have a friend in America that sends you a birthday present, do you pay tax on your gift?

How would "value" be determined? What if your buddy painted you a beautiful landscape painting, he's a no name guy, but he could easily sell for money at home. Value?