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    One more Saturday night at Winterland! Yes, we're back to home base for DAVE'S PICKS VOLUME 42, the complete show from Winterland, San Francisco, 2/23/74. The one that featured the earliest amalgamation of what would soon become the Wall of Sound, the one that is so "loud, clear, and defined," it's been ripe for release for quite some time and we're glad it's finally getting its due.

    First set or second, there are no wrong answers here. From the unique show opener of Chuck Berry's "Around And Around" and an incredible "Here Comes Sunshine" that would then disappear for 18 years, to a medley of WAKE OF THE FLOOD tracks - "Row Jimmy," "Weather Report Suite," and "Stella Blue" - cementing their status in the canon and an unstoppable hour through the classic 1973-1974 Dead that is “He’s Gone”>“Truckin’”>“Drums”>“The Other One”>“Eyes Of The World,” it's all exceptionally hot.

    Limited to 25,000 numbered copies, DAVE’S PICKS VOLUME 42: WINTERLAND, SAN FRANCISCO, 2/23/74 was recorded by Kidd Candelario and has been mastered to HDCD specs by Jeffrey Norman at Mockingbird Mastering. Grab a copy while you can.

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    Where do I get lysergic viagra in 2022?

    All I can do is have a gummy snack.

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    I don my silk smoking jacket and fill the meerschaum pipe...

    Ah yes, a good book here by the fire in my study, a fine single malt at hand and my pipe brimming with the best leaf, I think I'll reach for a vintage volume titled The First Third by one Neal Cassady, a most interesting chap.

    As the evening light grows dim and the creatures of the forest return to their nests, I turn the pages, pondering anew the age old question: should I take a whole or a half?

    As for the gentleman who "got no wood" from listening to Lowell George, I'd suggest a whole tab.

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    I wouldn't call them soft rock Dave, more Southern boogie woogie, jazzy, bluesie, rock and roll. I quite liked them in the 70s, have a vague memory of seeing them at the Hammersmith Odeon but that might be a false memory, I used to drink a lot. That 5 album set has tempted me before. Dixie Chicken's a great song. Fleetwood Mac are soft rock, they're nothing like that.

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    PT - thanks for the suggestion. I notice that you can get the three albums you suggest, plus the ones before and after them for just over £12.00 in the Original Albums series. Looks like a great bargain.

    Not having a dig at Little Feat, and certainly not at anyone on here who likes them, but I noticed one of the reviewers on Amazon referred to them as "soft rock". I'd forgotten about that one. It has to be the worst description of a category of music I have ever come across in my life. Imagine saying that if someone asked you what kind of music you liked- soft rock. It would be like saying you favourite drinks were low alcohol beer, or decaffeinated coffee. You've heard of cock rock - this is soft cock rock. Not exactly music to make the walls of the city shake! But as I say- not in any way I dig at the band in question.

    Last Dead was a 30 Trips show again - 5/14/78. Great first set leading up to an amazing "Let It Grow." It feels like a complete show in it's own right - in fact I prefer it to what came after.

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    Japanese authors anyone?

    I like some Japanese authors. Haruki Murakami of course, Norwegian Wood and Wind Up Bird Chronicle are good places to start, 1Q83 is rather dark. I've read all his novels, all worthwhile. Yoko Ogawa, Suyaka Murata, Tushikuzu Kawaguchi and Hiromi Kawakami are very good. I also really enjoyed Malaysian author Tan Twan Eng's The Garden of the Evening Mists.

    Listening to Van Morrison's Hard Nose The Highway at the moment. It gets a bit lost between the magnificent Saint Domenic's Preview and Veedon Fleece but I like it a lot. A great trio of albums. John Platania's guitar playing on Hard Nose The Highway is beautiful, I'll have to find more of his playing.

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    Ich verstehe aber nicht

    Letzte funf non GD
    Acid Mothers Temple
    Little Feat waiting for columbus
    Plasmatics beyond the valley of 1984
    Pink Floyd ummagumma
    Plasmatics new hope for the wretched

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    That Kinks album One for the Road is also a live DVD. Great stuff, although it is latter day Arena rock Kinks. Dave shows his stuff as a great guitarist on that show.

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    The video is on utoob.

    Late 80’s I made a cassette copy of my friend’s “Waiting For Columbus” CD. Great live album.

    Another great live album (at least to me) that I was introduced to in the mid-80’s is The Kinks “One For The Road”.

    Good party music. You still get to listen to live music, and the guests at your house aren’t complaining about listening to the Dead again.

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    two songs in....FIRE(I hope this comment is not offensive to anyone, or taken in the wrong way)

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    The Kinks - To the Bone ( a great two cd collection of live in studio and live in concert performances. Fine Village Green Preservationn Society and a rockin' I'm not Like Everybody Else.
    Steve Miller - Your Saving Grace. Very cool 8:49 Baby's House song co-written and featuring great keys by Nicky Hopkins.
    The Kinks - Live in London DVD. Two video performances, one in 1973 and one in 1977. The 73 show has my favorite Kinks configurtion- The core band, keys, The Mike Cotton brass section, and back up women singers.
    The Dead at Shoreline 9/19/2003 Highlights: Dark Star, Born Cross-eyed, Days Between and Peggy-o with Joan singing Peggy-o's parts.

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One more Saturday night at Winterland! Yes, we're back to home base for DAVE'S PICKS VOLUME 42, the complete show from Winterland, San Francisco, 2/23/74. The one that featured the earliest amalgamation of what would soon become the Wall of Sound, the one that is so "loud, clear, and defined," it's been ripe for release for quite some time and we're glad it's finally getting its due.

First set or second, there are no wrong answers here. From the unique show opener of Chuck Berry's "Around And Around" and an incredible "Here Comes Sunshine" that would then disappear for 18 years, to a medley of WAKE OF THE FLOOD tracks - "Row Jimmy," "Weather Report Suite," and "Stella Blue" - cementing their status in the canon and an unstoppable hour through the classic 1973-1974 Dead that is “He’s Gone”>“Truckin’”>“Drums”>“The Other One”>“Eyes Of The World,” it's all exceptionally hot.

Limited to 25,000 numbered copies, DAVE’S PICKS VOLUME 42: WINTERLAND, SAN FRANCISCO, 2/23/74 was recorded by Kidd Candelario and has been mastered to HDCD specs by Jeffrey Norman at Mockingbird Mastering. Grab a copy while you can.

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On the other hand, I think I am happier listening to Bickershaw at home than I would have been on the site. Going off misadventures at festivals a few years later, if I had been there, I would have probably have spent half the time face down in a puddle half a mile away from the stage. Or maybe down the local nick, having been caught with a piddling amount of dope in my pocket.
Wembley and the Lyceum - that's a different matter.

Ala Carte Order Vol 42 #23311 is in da house...bought it for a friend's birthday next month

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Here's the experience I'm having, which is not fun. UPS handles the initial transit of the Dave's Picks CDs, and in my area, the USPS does the delivery to the mailbox. I received a UPS/USPS tracking message that the box had been delivered to my mailbox yet there was no CD and we are sure it was not mailbox theft because
1. other packages of greater value and size and mail were still in and around the box.
2. My wife watched the carrier leave the property, and went out the front door and got the mail. There was no time for 3rd party theft.
Now I'm having to deal with the Post Office, which can pinpoint delivery by GPS. When I asked them about it, they went to check, and 20 minutes later came back and said they would "have to talk to the carrier about it". They did not tell me where it was scanned, now I suspect it was not scanned at a mailbox.
In addition, I have always disliked the whole "limited edition" crap, meaningful to only a handful of collectors. I plan to keep my CDs till I pass. My kids might try to sell them, and frankly I doubt having a limited edition will increase the value all that much. The reason I bring this up, is that of course DP #42 is SOLD OUT. At best the USPS is going to offer me replacement value. I don't care about that. I WANT THE CD! I am a long time subscriber, and now, even though I paid up front, in good faith, the product was not delivered reliably and it appears I have no recourse if I want to purchase a replacement.
While I have yet to hear from the USPS (they told me 48 hours), this situation has a good chance of resolving without me receiving DP #42. While I don't blame GD net or Rhino, I still feel a bit screwed by the whole setup, given the unduly limited amount of available copies.

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Strings that is. Yep, I saw a YouTube vide of the Help On the Way > Slipknot >Franklin's Tower they did. I really liked it, lots of energy and Bob leading at times. Really cool stuff.

I am still digesting DaP 41, but I have given 42 one full listen. Dave L and Co. are giving us the goods. With volumes 43 and 44 in the near future, I feel that elusive summer of 85 show(s) coming soon.

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Good stuff. Donna is pretty impressive on bid you goodnight. Sounds great most of the time, just a few warm up songs.

One of the best '74 Bertha's I can think of.

Eyes of the World is interesting as far as first impressions go, because it left me feeling like it took me to places that the two '74 versions from the PNW box set did not. I don't know maybe not. This I the kind of thin I'll obsess about all night as I listen to them repeatedly.

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Lowest one I've gotten yet + with bonus disc! Really glad its for this show. Art for the case is really nice too.

The performances are fine and mighty (looking at you, HCS, Promised>Bertha>GSET, He's Gone>Truckin'>O1>Eyes, etc), despite the occasional vocal dropouts and tuning issues. Picks like these allow me to rediscover an era I love and also challenge me to look past the vocal/tuning problems and just listen to the music.

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I'll see if the Doc can address this.
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35 years ago yesterday
, I was down at Laguna Seca Raceway for a knockout show with the Good Ole Grateful Dead. This was a great place to see the Dead. They kicked off the show with Sugar Magnolia. Bill Kreutzmann dedicated He's Gone to Paul Butterfield.. The Dead came out later that night and filmed part of the Touch of Grey Video.

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Thank you thank you thank you! The Doctor did hear my anguish and has prescribed a wonderful remedy! I can't say enough for what great customer service this is, and how wonderful this community continues to be!
I was pain yesterday, sorry for the long rant, but DPs are such a wonderful thing that I was really feeling frustrated and at a loss. The Doctor's remedy is perfect! Thank and much love to this entire community!

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Just getting started. Sound seems very good. Has a little echo from the hall but not noticeable after a few songs. My tape from my buddy back in the 90's must have been a very good low gen. copy.
Have to comment on the notes and a review from the local paper about the show. Pre-internet and early taper era not quite accurate info but Jim Mason gets a K for close. He cites "Starlit Begonias" and misses the credit for Chuck Berry on "Jet to the Promised Land" but gets the credit right if not the name on "Reelin' and Rockin" for Around & Around.
The amp is warming up and the volume is going up too. So glad I got this vinyl since I missed the Dap 1 CD. Vinyl quality is good and heavy. Absolutely silent between songs and no junk in the grooves so far. Enjoy!
Cheers
Edit: The 1st set review. Strong start with Half Step, Jack Straw and finish with Promised Land. Everything at that just exactly perfect pace one expects from Spring '77. Notables for me were the spare but hot Lazy Lightning/ Supp. and a Loser with that cool chippy effect Jerry does.
Took me a minute to figure out the cover. Apparently the show was on the release date of a famous Lucas film.

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Finally arrived today in Saint Paul; in the past I received one of the Dave's Picks with a number in the 23,000s, but this one is darn close to the top number! I've been listening to DaP 13 (the Skater) in preparation . . .

Tomorrow is the 45th anniversary of 5/11/77, recorded live here in Saint Paul . . .

Ok one more time. Limited editions keep the costs down for everyone. The business decision to keep costs down by only handling a title for a short time. The argument that it keeps people who don’t have the money at the moment from the music simply doesn’t fly in 2022. Besides the sites available you can copy anything nowadays. The moral position of stealing from the artist doesn’t hold since the followed through on promise of Ltd pressing means the company won’t issue it again. ZFT keeps their catalog mostly in stock. Check out their prices

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just watched leafs v tampa while on night shift - shit if only all sports were like this !!!

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Why can this not be purchased as a digital download? Every other audio product is available in that format.

We can skip the shipping process. Production>warehouse>ups pick up>ups to your state>Drums>Space>USPS>USPS local delivery.

It shouldn't take 2+ weeks, to receive, after getting shipping notice Email. Could be made available to all, on the release date.

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The leafs are now my 2nd favourite team after - deep breath , the flyers . I know I know , no one likes us we don’t care ect ect . But I just love their mid 70’s fuck you attitude towards the establishment and let’s not forget the spectrum a home away from home .

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Number 11639 arrived at my mailbox late Monday morning. It sounds much better than the cassette copy I have. The only thing I find disappointing is that the 2nd encore has been reformatted to the 2nd disc. So much for the limitations of the compact disc. Great show to say the least. Thanks, Dave & crew.

It just so happens that I was home and walking to my mailbox when the Letter Carrier arrived. I had met him several times in the recent past and he has a very strong resemblance to Jerry. I mentioned that he looks like the late Jerry Garcia of the Grateful Dead. He said that quite a few people have said that and that he is of Spanish origin and all four of his grandparents were from the Galicia region of Spain. He is exactly 20 years younger than Jerry and was born on August 1, 1962. The big difference is that my Letter Carrier is shorter and about 100 pounds lighter than Jerry was in his later years.

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Just stumbled across a 5-10-69 show I didn't have that I was at...it's from Pasadena's Rose Palace which was quite the dump...co-billed was an early David Lindley band "Kaleidoscope" and another band that did quite a few gigs around So Cal at the time, "Southwind"...DL'ing now and will give a listen when I get home from...drum roll please...WORK!!!...also snagged another one I didn't have, 10-21-71 from Chicago....good stuff

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Because I am old. Thats my personal reasoning, JW. my beloved calls me grampa because I resist a lot of digitalness.

A digital option would be good for those who are more digitally inclined, I do get that.

5 10 69, Nappy...I discovered that gem last year. (I am pretty sure thats the one.. ) And you got to be there...wow. envy, i feel

I WANT A 69 BOX, DAVE!

please

Mr Postman, er, Jerry?

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Someone smarter than me explained this business plan and it makes complete sense. The quickest way to decrease the volume of available Dead CDs released annually is to do away with the Limited Edition model and add the ability to download. This is a niche market in antique music, so it's not comparable to downloading your most recent Taylor Swift release. You want Dead? Lots of Dead? 4 a year + box set + novelty items like unreleased multi track Port Chester shows as bonus features for 50th anniversary releases? The bus door is open with cowboy Neil at the wheel.

“Why I outta, who you calling antique?” I can just hear Garcia lol

Ahem, but it’s the 21 century, you must use the proper terminology, “Legacy” is the proper PC terminology for things that are not new. ; )
And I’m not making fun of you amigo, just this crazy world we live in! Everything has to have some stupid tag now, often military in origin i.e., shelter in place instead of stay home etc, homeland instead of country…

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Finally caught up with my Dave’s 42 yesterday. Here's a linq to my scan of Matt Adam’s cover art for the 2022 Bonus CD (corrected & squared as usual). Matt's cover art for Dave’s 42 is also attached. Be sure to pass around. In the meantime, hope your copy has landed, or is about to, and you're blasting this great new installment from the Grateful Dead à la Dave or soon will be. Onward.

dropbox dot com/scl/fo/9crtfp490g7e88pf6hdvy/h?dl=0&rlkey=pu11ohbq64tt22gwygpuxqr2j

Having trouble? PM your email address and I'll email back with the dropbox linq.

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You don't hear the word nincompoop very often these days, either. Shame really - it's a description that would fit so many.

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We watched 'Sound City' Dave Grohl's documentary about the history of recording studio Sound City Studios in Van Nuys, Los Angeles. Excellent film, covers a lot of ground with all the historic music recorded in the studio, including Terrapin Station! There is significant interview footage with Keith Olsen, due to his early involvement with Sound City.
Olsen went on to produce Terrapin Station, and some say take quite a bit of liberties with the final record.

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"Neither snow nor rain nor heat nor gloom of night stays this Jeff Smith from the swift completion of his appointed rounds". A shout out and a big thank you once again to Jeff Smith for the excellent cover work! Now, if only my local postal service would deliver Da Ding Dang DaP42 before 43 gets released (Post Office: Obsolete; Dysfunctional)

In happier news that I’m sure fellow Leafers Oro and Angry Jack can appreciate, the series stands 3-2 for the Leafs over the defending two time Champions Tampa Bay. Get your clubs buffed up, Bolts, for you will be teeing off come the weekend.
Got my Emmylou Harris tix - wanted Fleet Foxes, but when the world gives you lemons, you get Emmylou tix!

Yeah, I don’t care what anybody says, Jeff Smiths awright! ; )

Nincompoop, yes it’s a shame such an awesome word has fallen by the wayside, BUT, fortunately cattywampus has made inroads!

NITECAT: yes that was an awesome Doc, that and the HBO series (Sonic Highways) he did where they went to different historic studios and did a song at each one for their album at the time.
Also, We hit 6/14/80 on POTDWD today, another beauty enjoyed!

MIKE: WTF, early last game I had to make sure I wasn’t watching the Sabres: endless stupid penalties and no effort, it was like they wanted to loose lol.
But Whatever happened in the locker room between 2nd and 3rd, the coach needs more of! Great third period!
I thought they were finished, but luckily, once again, I was wrong ; )
Now can they do it uno mas? GO LEAFS!

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Kaleidoscope, possibly the only band live who could have given the Dead a run for their money, though their recorded legacy is disappointingly slim and their first album , Side Trips is very much of its time and not really recommended.
But the band begins to hit its stride with the second album, Beacon from Mars, known to some over here as Pig Meat from Outer Space, (Bacon from Mars- geddit?)
Led Zeppelin, before they started denying being influenced by West Coast music, and in particular ripping off Spirit, said that Kaleidoscope was their ideal band, both for quality of music, but also stage show which included Flamenco and Belly dancers.
It was this band which sent me off to explore Turkish music including Baglama. One of the worlds great record labels is Kalan, delve into Spotters or Utube if so inclined, but be aware their are lots of female singers, Mrs Dogon and I love them, but perhaps an acquired taste, or for a contemporary band try Baba Zula.

TAXIM!
Now, Southwind, thats a name I have not heard in 40 years!

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being an occasional shopper and seller on ebay, I received a message from them today. It seems that the build back better plan has a stipulation that states that from this year on, if you make more than 600.00$ on ebay, you will have to prove that it was not profit or pay a tax on said monies. Now, for folks like me, I only sell old things that I have laying around the house, things that I no longer use or need. The new law states that you must provide a receipt of your cost of the item that you want to sell on ebay and if your price exceeds that, you will pay income tax on that difference. Now, how many people keep receipts of things that you purchased 20 or 30 years ago? How about 10 years ago? 5? last year? No one keeps receipts that long, so now without proof that you paid X amount of dollars for an item, you will pay income tax on the entire amount. Ebay is sending letters to everyone who has ever sold anything on ebay to write or call your representative in congress to get this 600 dollar ceiling raised or done away with completely. If this stands, it could very well mean the end of ebay profiteers who buy Dave's picks to resell. No longer with this new law will they be able to reap huge profits. I can see in the future a lot more picks being available due to resale being no longer cost effective.

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It's a beautiful day 1st
Bruce Hornsby Big Swing Face
GOGD 5-10-69 would love to hear this one cleaned up
Iron Butterfly Inagaddavida
ZZ Top Rio Grande Mud

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Sound City great documentary. Keith Olsen, "yeah, but you are a lotcloser to the bank." Or something like that. Great Doc. Have it on the DVR. I am sure you have seen Muscle Shoals. Another great one.

Also, the new ZZ Top one is really good, especially with the passing of Dusty Hill.

I remember one on Motown's Hitsville USA. There are some others that I can't remember right now.

Seems like on the Kansas documentary Miracles Out of Nowhere, they talk about a studio down in the swamps of Louisiana that looked amazing. It is, however, in the middle of nowhere. Made Muscle Shoals seem like the big city.

I see that there are two that will be released sometime in fall

Moonage Daydream about David Bowie's career

In the court of the crimson king about...take a guess

Daves 42 disc three today...oh boy oh boy oh boy!!!

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Got the subscription but my copies of vol 42 didn't come with the bonus disc. Has anyone else encountered this?

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....grate ears think alike. I said that a few pages ago!
And to answer mugsie, not to me.

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Did you unseal the CD package yet? For the first time ever, my bonus disc was packed inside the "gatefold" of the main release. There was also a sticker on the outside of the plastic wrapping that said "Daves Picks 42 w/bonus disc". I could just barely see the bonus disc sandwiched inside.

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It's funny.....I saw the sticker on the backside of the discs but didn't think to look in the middle, and there they are, crazy
Thanks for the info KEITHFAN, grately appreciate it

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Glad you got the disc. That's not one you want to be without!

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Hendrixfreak, just to keep you in the loop the E72 sweat shorts are still available. Just think you can cruise around town in your $80 E72 sweat shorts and let everyone know, hey not only did I preorder these bad boys in May, they are limited edition, and it says so on the inter tag.

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Good Day All.

A request for some help, if you can. I was not able to transfer my old "FLAC to mp3 converter" to a new computer.

Would anyone please be able to suggest any inexpensive, easy software available to convert multiple FLAC files to mp3? I would appreciate any help anyone can share. (Oh yeah, I am definitely not the 'tech savvy' one, but learning).

Thank you for your time.

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What a fantastic documentary. Although I am not a huge fan of his music, I have the utmost admiration for Dave Grohl.

Well Mike, we find ourselves here once again. Good luck to us tomorrow night. And to the Oilers. You are a huge fan of Matthews, but I would take Kucherov all day long. Combined with Hedman, it makes me nervous about the outcome. Those guys are grinders.

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I received my Dave's 42 with Bonus but they managed to print the number on the spine. Initially I thought it was unnumbered but there it is, wrapped around the edge! Anyone know the doc's email? I haven't emailed him/ her since 2013. Thanks!

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2 23 74
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I use Foobar 2000.. it's decent, easy to use and free.

Not a big lossy mp3 fan, but I won't hold it against you.

DVikes/HFreak & Short Shorts. "Truckin' in style along the avenue... "
I realize $80 seems a bit high for a pair of drawstrings shorts, but they are on sale from $160, 50% off. A bargain.

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Dammit Jim, you uttered the talismanic mantra, "short shorts," and I cannot un-see those pics of Bobby from the late '80s... E 72 drawstring shorts?? Well, I'd be on it, but I still retain at this late date a smidge of the ability to feel shame. So, maybe I'm waiting for the E 72 diapers. Not long before I'll need them...

It's a sunny day in Denver today but cloudy in my heart. My beautiful cat of 20 good years had to go down last night. Zoe -- the name bestowed by the triplets next door who gave her to me (they're now married and having children!) -- is/was tuxedo style, with a great sense of humor (she'd bait me when I came home, hiding behind a chair (not realizing her tail stuck out) then zipping past to hide again, and a big thumper (cat people may understand) who just liked to hang out, sitting at my feet while I strummed a guitar. At eight o'clock every night I was home, she'd come find me specifically to cop some affection. Used to claw her way under the covers on cold nights, which kinda freaked out the girlfriends, especially the veterinarian. My Eight O'Clock Woman is now far out among the stars as I use a pick axe to dig a hole in the garden for her soft little body.

Then prepping for a 65-mile paddle in my pack raft down the Little Snake River, one of the last wild rivers in Colorado.

To live is to love and grief is the price we pay. No "woe is me" though, just glad my baby is no long suffering the indignities of old age.

Cheers to all!

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Jack - After following these guys for 60+, I am amazed I haven’t had a stroke yet, but I remain fit, and still hit the gym. They absolutely drive me to the edge, though, at how they can fold like a Samsonite Elite when they had Tampa all but finished. If the Buffalo Bills wore skates…
Regardless, a big finale on Saturday! As for Kutcherov, as my lady is of Ukrainian heritage, it’s not in my best interest to give props to anything Russian, but I’ll take Arizona’s Finest Auston Matthews any day. This guy is absolutely the real deal, and if the Leafs prevail, it will be on his back.

Still waiting for 42. Dropped a line to the good folks at Rhino today, finding delivery taking longer and longer, and how about thinking outside the box, and offering customer delivery/shipping options, for cost? This regular mail gig is the worst.

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Zoe.

I'm sorry for your loss, HF. Losing a pet is not easy.

I write this from the veterinarian parking lot as my cat gets claws trimmed and pads trimmed.

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