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Perhaps it was after they started singing ‘(Latter Day) Saint of Circumstance’.

Edit: On possible box sets I’ll use another quote from ‘Sir Henry at Rawlinsons End’. Excuse me while I shout, “I DON’T KNOW WHAT I WANT, BUT I WANT IT NOW’.
I’d be happy to see 50th anniversary issues of ‘Garcia’ and ‘Ace’, but that doesn’t seem to be happening.

Oro - You happened to mention quite recently you knew Eric Nesterenko previously. Just read he passed away at age 88. I watched this guy in his heyday in the 60s when it was just The Original Six teams. He was a man of many talents and careers, and even played Rob Lowe’s father in a hockey film!

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12/01/79 with snippets from 11/30, way WAY overdue for the full Norman.

Hey Now! Started a new gig driving to the North Rim & back transferring hikers from one rim to another...over the past FIVE days I have made 8 runs back & forth...last Saturday as we left the North Rim at 7:00 AM (I stay overnight) there were about 120 Bison chilling in a meadow by the park entrance...today about 30 were crossing the road and we had to wait a bit while they did...I drive by the Vermillion Cliffs about 8:30 AM and again as I head north from the South Rim about 4:30 PM...great time to drive by as the sunlight plays beautifully at those times on the cliffs...life is good...my company, Trans-Canyon Shuttle, runs from May 15th until November 15th when the road to the North Rim closes for the winter....So I probably won't be posting as much until we slow down next month...a big lull in transfers in July & August as temps reach 120 degrees or so at the bottom of the canyon

Yes, I would have liked to see 50th Anniversary editions of those two as well. I might be wrong, but I don't think digitally remastered cds have ever came out of those two. Both great albums, featuring core material from then on till the wheels fell off. Side 2 of Garcia is classic, too.
Bit of overkill with Europe 72, methinks.

Both those albums were remastered in HDCD and reissued by Rhino in 2004 or 2005. The Garcia reissue has 8 extra tracks whereas Ace has no extras.

..I never knew that! They slipped right under my radar. I wasn't as punctilious in 2004.

If anyone boos you offstage, that is simply applause from ghosts..........

The ghost of Dick Latvala paid me a short visit last night. The next box set shall be February 1973--2/9, 15, 17, 19.

That would probably sell reasonably well..................

Rock on!!

Doc
Our feet are planted in the real world, but we dance with angels and ghosts.......

Wow...that would be a box o' fun.

I like that idea a LOT.

Some poor soul died there the other day from hiking too far too fast in hot temps.

Respect the heat, folks.

Hey Doc, didn’t Dick mention 2/21, 2/22, and 2/24?
He had these on his to do “list,” but only 2/15 I believe of those you mention.
Maybe he’s gained new insight from the after life ; )

DL had a very high opinion of 2/19/73. However, there may not be a complete copy in the vault? We can pray that it was a returned tape.....................

Rock on!

Doc
When the past no longer illuminates the future, the spirit walks in darkness.

Doc that would be a killer box set, I would also include 5/26/ 73 & 8/1/73.

BTK--and others..................

I've often wondered why the monster 73 Kezar show hasn't been officially released yet. Maybe they're holding it back for a May 73 box set: 5/13, 5/20, 5/26. That might sell a couple of copies...............

8/1 would make a nice single release, but possibly also being held back for a July/August 73 box? Maybe holding it for the bonus disc for WOTF 50th?

Needless to say, TPTB don't consult me..............

Rock on,

Doc
There's nothing scarier than unlimited choices.................

Truly weird how we were just talking about Nester. May the four winds…quite the interesting character and beloved long time local!
Sadly, this came on the heels of “ The Sheriff”, Bob Braudis, long time Pitkin county Sheriff out here, long time friend of HST, and a long time peace officer with major emphasis on peace! We went and saw him at a book reading back a few years and came away really impressed. Above all else, his philosophy that it was his job to try and keep people out of jail whenever possible, rather than put them in. A big man who left a big hole, he will be missed! Perhaps now he’s hanging with Hunter and Dosent have to look the other way anymore lol.

So much great 73 still out there just waiting to get the Norman!

AJ: sorry about the Oilers, thought for sure they were going to win last night. Great series that was much closer than the outcome would suggest. Sorry you didn’t dig Small World. I’m biased, so like everything I’ve read of his, but agree the ending could have been better. I thought he did an awesome job of illustrating the challenges and institutional inequalities that so many face, especially immigrants, and as usual gave us interesting characters. I like how he jumps around in history and illustrates the differences between the generations of these characters etc. it brought to mind my mothers second generation immigrant background. Her parents and 2 sisters were from Europe, while she and her brother were born here during the depression. I think he puts a lot of effort into his characters, authenticity, and to get the reader to empathize and perhaps gain a different perspective of others. This is one of the books I mentioned that was building nicely and then…yeah, felt the ending kinda let the book down. If you have time you should try West of Here as it is truly his best.

I didn't dislike the book, it's just that the timing for me put it into relative perspective. That Steinbeck dude can write.

The characters were very interesting as was the story line and the points he addressed. My great grandparents were immigrants and both of my parents were born in the Depression. They valued everything. Something you don't appreciate until you get older. I really liked his recurring theme of do it for the future generations. I can't tell you how many times I have told my kids that my job is to "push you up the ladder."

It's almost like he didn't know where to go next, so he just ended it. It reminded me of The Lincoln Highway by Towles in that regard. I plan on reading West of Here.

Not too disappointed by the outcome. It was an exciting series. If Tampa can regroup and eliminate the Rangers, I'll be happy. Good luck in the finals. I'll be backing the Avs.

Or we'd be on our knees in this old world. Excellent point, Oro.

Just finished listening to DaP 42 and I must say, that 3rd disc really smoked, especially Truckin' and Eyes.

Yes, Daverock, enough with E72. Been there. And will return.

But we gotta know: where will Godzilla place his big toe? (Translation: what's in the box??)

I really like the idea of a 1973 box...but we did have a couple shows from that year in the St Louis Box last year, so I'm not holding my breath. Plus its the 50th sodding anniversary of 73 in 6 months, so may be they will be hanging fire for the banner year.

HF, hey I don’t seem to be good at much else anymore, hopefully I can still make people laugh and smile.

DR: forgot about those St Louie 73s. Man that DS disc is money!
You’d think they’d hit 73 big next year, but they seem to purposely avoid anniversaries.
So many possibilities still from that year?
Maybe Kezar or one of the big summer shows will get the stand alone treatment ala Rockin the Rhine etc?

AJ, I hear ya, sounds like we’re on the same page.

WWOOWW

11 /9/73 is a killer show, my brother went to that show. That whole Winterland box set 11/9,10,11/73 is in my top 3 of box sets.

I think that they will give HendrixFreak an anniversary gift of a Box containing all the shows he saw in 73.

We would all be winners with that release.

And if the ABB Comptroller would allow their stuff to be released too, then that would be even better.

As for 2022, in the Lyceum vinyl Box video Dave implied that they were working on more 72 stuff for later this year (at least that was my interpretation). But more E72 vinyl shouldn’t count as this year’s Box.

So, my prediction for this year’s Box is……

….. I have no idea…..

But I’m sure that I will order it as soon as I see the email announcement.

Señor Pata Orgullo...sorry to say but folk die here weekly, either hiking, falling off the rim or on a white water river trip accident...NPS usually plays down the deaths but word always gets out...I can think of five in the last few weeks...so sad...

Their song "summer breeze"...every time I hear that song I go back to hearing it when I was an 8 year old kid at a bumpercar ride and that song was playing on a PA...a magical moment.

Y'all be cool, Jim. Thank you.

I was not at 6/8/74

I was finishing 4th grade, however.

Luckily the show was being recorded for my future enjoyment

Thank you, taping person.

:)))

is an absorbing, nearly 600-page book by a medic and a former top ranger at that park, which is carefully written and documented all deaths in Grand Canyon. Unfortunately, a close friend of mine died this spring rafting in the canyon. Nappyrags is right: happens all the time. Just as deaths occur in Colorado every year due to avalanche, climbing and rafting. (There's a similar volume for deaths in Rocky Mountain Nat'l Park.) I read both with great interest to learn about every mistake that proved fatal. Some you see it coming, some are quite novel, others were simply unlucky. And there are always new ways to die, depending on circumstances. For instance, I will not carry a pack or exert myself if temperatures rise above ~95 F. And drinking too much water too fast can kill you. Etc.

As for "more '72 to come later in the year" ... so now I gotta watch Dave's Lyceum vinyl video to parse the tea leaves? Hope springs eternal in those of us interested in FALL 1972... But I cannot think of a worse punishment for myself today: another Dave video.... Could that prove fatal, here in my easy chair??

I just realized that the new Jerry release (with Merle) is Nov. 2, 1974 -- so after the GD "retirement" shows (which really were calculated by the band to get rid of the Wall and cut payroll and some characters, knowing they'd return -- really, almost a gigantic prank), Jer simply went right back to work with HIS band... And, of course, famously went subterranean with the movie project, got hooked on H, etc. One can almost imagine some band members with less energy getting resentful that the band shut down its revenue stream, but ... oh, there goes Jer, who basically never stopped gigging. Although the band almost immediately recorded Blues for Allah and did gig three times in '75, while Bobby seized the Jerry model and got Kingfish together (a shit-kickin' unit I had the pleasure to see many times).

Just a thought as I tracked my Jer vault release as it wends its way into my sweaty paws...

HF - Haven't read that book but I seem to remember hearing that a few folks met their end stumbling over the edge of a precipice in the middle of the dark night while taking a leak. Maybe apocryphal. Did read Craig Childs book on floods years ago and there is at least one insane story (aren't they all) about one of the many monster flash floods coming down a side canyon (Havasupai?) Never rafted the GC. Did a couple of rim to rims. Went south to north, which is def the way to go. They were a gas. Gonna do it again.

And yeah Joan kicked ass on Hard to Handle night 4 at Red Rocks. That was one of the shows I listened to recentlhy. Got to that track and I was right back to being there thinking how she owned that song. Traded verses with Bobby but she was in charge.

If we do have more 1972- which would be great - I hope it would be something that hasn't already been released. Not, for example, a deluxe version of Veneta Oregon. Although I suppose if you haven't already got it, it would be most welcome. Having said that, if another E72 show came out on vinyl I'd be tempted, I suppose. But a show that hasn't come out before would be my preference.

I always liked that Kingfish album, and the smattering of live recordings I have by them. I wonder what happened to Robbie Hoddinott?

Nick1234 - that Rolling Thunder Revue box arrived today. Looks great, so thanks for prodding me in that direction.

Death In The Canyon was co-written by my doctor, Dr. Tom Meyers...He is also a river rat and over the past 35 years has hiked one end of the canyon to the other in increments...good guy...another who used to work at the clinic here is Tom Martin, he was my physical therapist for years and retired to focus on his river trips and documentation of the history of canyon rafting...

Joan also sang a fine Mr. Charlie, and a poignant Days Between.

HendrixFreak, I couldn't agree more. I saw Kingfish severeal times, also. Kingfish was a hot band, especially with Dave Torbert and Robbie Hoddinot. I always liked Torbert and his rockin' energy.

Today's temp at Phantom Ranch at the bottom of the canyon is 112 degrees...in the shade

But it’s a dry heat ; )

Nitecat - I loved Joan's singing on a whole host of tunes. HF had commented on her gift for singing Pig's songs and I was riffing on that. I'll have to find my discs for night 3 at RR to check out Mr. Charlie, which I'm guessing I loved (no memory of it right this moment) cause I never met a Mr. Charlie I didn't like. She sang Days Between Ist night and it was fantastic. A favorite song of mine, so emotionally deep and such fantastic (in several respects) imagery - easily one of the most powerful and beautiful songs in the Hunter/Garcia canon.

All versions of the super deluxe Waiting for Columbus are now up on the Rhino store. The 8CD + 2LP + 7"Single is there for $139.98

store.rhino.com/artist/little-feat.html

PM

Can't slip anything by you because you are somehow connected.... I bow to you, sir. You can tell Dr. Tom that a fellow author has been touting his work.

Nitecat: I always loved Dave Torbert's songs with the NRPS. I just recorded "On My Way Back Home" (Powerglide?) taking turns on the verses with a female singer, then we duet on the bridge. He had a hippie vibe but great changes and bridges and such. Torbert's bass playing put the spunk in NRPS and in Kingfish. (NRPS never the same once he left to play with Bobby.) Hoddinot was a great Tele player. Sad, I heard he kinda lost it mentally.
I simply cannot remember but I think maybe I caught a double bill with Jer Band with Kingfish opening? I know I saw Kingfish in several NY emporiums. That was 1975, the year we were introduced to blow, so several Jer and Bobby shows got kinda blown out, if you will.

Oro: You're KILLING ME! A "dry" heat ... as in, for instance, the technique that's used in BAKING DEAD THINGS in the oven. Or, in this instance, killing things that are alive and THEN baking them! Not to be too jocular about people losing their lives, but one of the special flourishes in Over the Edge that Nappy's doc apparently has rec'd feedback on is his tone in describing some mishaps -- mishaps so monumentally stupid that a little tone is called for. Not quite as extreme as your tone on "dry heat"!!

And yes, if there's more '72 to come, make it unreleased fall shows. Not more vinyl from the E72 tour. I mean, it IS 2022. Is it so out of the question that Dave will do a fall '72 box?? Sorry folks, I just cannot help myself...

....The Spaghetto.

Thanks for the heads up! When I looked during the Memorial Day sale only the LP was on sale and available.

The first time hearing Waiting For Columbus was a mind blowing experience. My first night in the Dorm in college and some of the older guys were already set up and invited me in for beers and a tube. They had on Buckingham Nicks, which I had not heard before and then they put on side 1 of Waiting for Columbus. It was musical bliss. Can't think of a more transformational first listen of an unknown artist to me.

Looks like it will be shipping same day as Lyceum LPs.

Here's hoping we get a new boxset before DaP44 arrives!

He's a little Square.

I read a ton, always have. A few years back I vowed to read more science fiction, and read the Foundation series by Asimov. Man that was good. Kind of mind blowing the scope of that work.

I read the first Broken Earth book by NK Jemison. It was good but I don't know if I'll be reading the other two. Maybe some day. I started the Wheel of Time series. Maybe more high fantasy than sci fi, but its stood the test of time and I enjoyed book 1. I'll be continuing that one.

I tried to get into Malazon Book of the Fallen. Read the first book and a half but I just can't get into it. Its all over the place. People say it comes together between books 2-3 but I don't know if I'll pick it back up.

If you like sci fi and haven't checked out Neal Stephenson he's worth looking into. I read Cryptonomicon a number of years back. I've been meaning to get to Snow Crash and he's got a newer on that supposed to be good.

I just finished a survey of Russian history that was just ok. Too broad to be of much use, but it was interesting to read the history of Ukraine, Belarus, Russia Poland etc through the 18th to the 20th century.

I just started Nabokov's short story collection. I read Lolita last year for the first time and now I have to read more Nabokov. Man was Lolita good. He just writes so deliciously.

On the music front I've been uploading the last year and a half's worth of dead releases onto my new computer so I have some catching up to do - I haven't really listened properly to the STL box yet. Excited to do that. I've been streaming a lot of Dub Apocalypse from archive lately. Great for summer afternoons.

Good to see the conversation going strong around here. I try to pop in once in a while. I've been watching a fair amount of playoff hockey, but its just not the same without the Wings in the bracket the last few years.

Enjoy all - and keep the book discussions going - I need more recommendations!

....resolving that issue now. Don't @ me.
Down the rabbit hole I go.

If you enjoyed Stephenson's "Cryptonomicon" try his trilogy of "System Of The World"...I read Cixin Liu's first book of "The Three-Body Problem" trilogy and while trippy I don't know if I'll get to the other two anytime soon... "The Flying Sorcerers" by David Gerrold and Larry Niven is a fave (pretty much anything by Niven is a fave)...another one is "To Your Scattered Bodies Go" by Phillip Jose Farmer...so many books...so little time...

Hope you like it Dave. After hearing Joni Mitchell screech on This Land is Your Land you'll never say a bad word about Donna ever again.

I'm not a Dylan nut, I like what I like and I don't like plenty, but the deluxe 6cd set of More Blood More Tracks is stunning as well.

This one is taken from the inside cover of ‘Laik Tors’ by Das Rad. It struck me as oddly inappropriate. I’m listening to the album at the moment and it’s very good.

I gave set 2 a listen a couple of times. Didnt take.

Then yesterday in the car sightseeing...YAHOO! Glorious glorious GD.

A different note...sacrilege to some of you, but Little Feat has never appealed to me. 1990 in Eugene they opened for GD. Uhh...no.

Opinionz, opinionz...

Ho lee phuq...that was 32 years ago. Wowzerz.

is awesome. That is until Lowell George passed away. I got into them right around the same time as the Dead. Maybe just a bit before. David Bromberg was in that grouping as well.

Feat opened for the Dead at Oxford Plains in the summer of 88. Awesomely fun time. Mediocrely fun music.

Love the feat, yaaaassss not the same without Lowell, but I still liked em. Like the post Dead, not the same, but those great songs make it all good! Oxford 88, lol. Big blur, do remember digging the feat from just outside at the far end where the Prezman had his turtle van and usual three tanks of medipure lol. Got to catch them no and again over the years and always enjoyed them.
Unfortunately, I don’t think Paul Barrere gets the credit he deserves. Really, so many good folks played in that band over the years.
But I’m not sure I need another box of mostly the same stuff? Waiting for Columbus is an all time top live album imho, so I’ll be interested to hear what y’all think. This chasing the dead dragon has become outta control, so will I really listen to this more than once, or, will it be worth the cost since they culled such great versions for Columbus? Shit, what I’m trying to say is, is there enough reason to spend the cash, is there enough must have material, above and beyond Columbus (which I have on CD and vinyl) to justify the expense?
Anyway, as I say we’ll have to wait and hear what folks think?

David Bromberg: he, Feat, first Blood Sweat and Tears album, Return to Forever, John McLaughlin etc, all came to me through older heads who said “if you like the Dead, try this” I can still remember a few of those virgin listens where my teenage mind was blown wide open! Such an awesome time when we got turned on to so many wonderful things, most that still resonate strongly even after all these years!

Nick - yes, I am well pleased with the Rolling Thunder Revue box set. So far I have only played the first three rehearsal discs. The first two seem to be setting the scene, and the third is good enough to be a release in it's own right. I'll look into the Blood On The Tracks box. They have one in the local library, but it's only a single disc, by the looks of things - a straight through alternative version of the parent album.
I'm not an in deep Dylan fan either ( obviously). All the albums up to Self Portrait-which I have played exactly once- all meet with my approval - but after that it gets a bit spotty. I'm not too keen on Before The Flood-and Street Legal doesn't appeal to me at all. I really like that "Trouble No More" box though. A great band, and the whole set works for me as an overall concept.
I have never heard an 80's Dylan album apart from Dylan and The Dead. Great run from Time Out Of Mind, through the next 4 albums, though.
And I've never heard a Little Feat album.