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    Bolo24 says: An Idea, Perhaps? Since we're all going to have a fair amount of spare time on our hands for the foreseeable future, what about starting another thread where we all listen to the same show/release on a given day and then share impressions afterward? Folks can submit suggestions and one person (not me) picks what we'll all listen to - call it Deadnet Picks or something. Anyway, if this idea is deemed to have merit, I'd suggest one of the loyal regular posters take the lead and do the picking - y'all can decide who. Might be fun. If it does go forward, I nominate Dick's Picks 18 for the first listen. Been talked about here lately, and, had it been a single show rather than a compilation, we'd probably be talking about it in the same conversation as Cornell, Veneta, etc. Or perhaps even Gainesville?? Stay safe and healthy, friends - this planet needs as many Deadheads as possible.

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  • rockthing
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    >daverock>

    The vocal dropouts are not evident in the audience tape, so that must have happened on the way to the board tape.

    That said, the recording is slightly overpowered by Jerry and Bob's guitars from the taper's vantage point, but a little time with a simple Equalizer was enough to bring more Phil and better presence to the vocals. I do recall a few lyric flubs with the new material, but in the overall mix it didn't really jump out at me. Probably much more obvious in the official release/soundboard recording.

    2/22/69>
    Oh, my. I can see this is gonna send me on a primal quest. I have all these fall '69 and fall '68 shows that I've never listened to, but I don't have much from the spring of those years. I love this gentle psychedelia. It's really these delicate type of sounds that really trigger the senses. I'm only up to Dark Star at this point, but what a beautiful way to start a show.... oops, "The transitive diamonds?" Haha. I'd probably have trouble remembering my name if I were there, so whatever.

    It's such a shame that we're restricted to streaming this show. Imho, if the official release isn't so significantly better sounding than one of these circulating boards that it isn't a no-brainer to buy it, then what's with the classism, eh? I know the boys need a retirement plan... but... --mini rant off--

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    Rockthing - good notes on this show - cheers! I'm going through it very slowly, but it's the L.P. I am listening to. Although it has the famous vocal drop outs, the sound and balance of the instruments sounds fine throughout to me. I have just played the side with Loose Lucy and Money Money on. A short side. The lyrics are a bit naff on both of them - but I like the music, and they were both played so rarely that when they do crop up, it's a welcome surprise to me.
    I presume the version you have listened to has the earlier vocal dropouts too.

  • rockthing
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    Wrote these notes on Monday morning while drinking my coffee and getting ready to do some work from home. After a while I was mostly distracted by the show.

    I'll get to that Feb. 22 '69 show if I can, but I don't have that one handy. Hafta stream it.

    The ETree identifier of this source is 115876, btw. I don't have the box set, so these are my first impressions.

    It Must Have Been The Roses: Ok. /Now/ I'm awake. Possible tape change? There is suddenly a big improvement in sound quality for this hauntingly sensitive rendition. Jerry's voice is now clear above the guitars. Everything, save Phil, is suddenly much clearer and the sound field feels wider. Up to this point the tape had sounded like the tape the biker is listening to at the beginning of the Dead Movie. Nice harmony work during the refrain, blended well in the house mix.

    Loose Lucy: Gettin' in the funk. Jerry's just perfectly behind the beat to make it nice and nasty. If the syncopation isn't just right, this tune can completely lose all form really quickly. Loose Lucy must be a pretty new song at this point. I have no idea when this tune debuted. They didn't do this in concert much, as far as I know. I was lucky enough to see'em do it once, but the performance I saw was almost unrecognizable. Something was wrong with the timing, so it sounded all backwards. I was embarrassed to not even recognize it until Jerry started singing. This is a nice treat.

    I Know You Rider? Something seems to be wrong here. The info text says Money Money should be next followed by China/Rider, but we're just dropped into IKYR. Looks like some minor surgery might be needed on the meta data.

    Money Money: Ok. Someone's just mislabelled these files. Man, this has always been one of my least favourite songs in the Dead's catalogue. I rarely skip songs on albums, but being the album closer on Mars Hotel makes it easy. I don't think I've ever heard a live version of it, so this is kind of a treat, in its own sort of way. Having not heard it in such a long time, I guess it's not such a bad song. The negativity of the lyric just sems to strike such a contrast to most of the other stuff in the repertoire. John Lennon, for example, has a lot of negativity in his lyrics, but when I listen to him, I expect that.

    China Rider: Yeah. They're keepin' that funky groove going that was working so well during Loose Lucy. The transition jam seems to go almost immediately to an I Know You Rider feel. The guitar tone is very unusual here. It almost sounds like Bobby's Gibson 335 tone. He's playing lots of double-stops, where he plays two notes at a time even while soloing… wait… maybe that /was/ Bobby!? Some very cool interplay between Bobby and Phil before a guitar sound that is unmistakably Jerry joins in just ahead of the trademark unison bit before I Know You Rider. What is now clearly Jerry's tone keeps it going after the unison part, and now there's a Feelin' Groovy jam. I can almost see the smiling faces and twirling homemade sun dresses with flowers in the hair right now. Big, big ovation from the crowd as they settle into the Rider vamp before going into the first verse. They know what they've just heard. That was sweet, breezy, and smooth as can be. I'm guessing Jerry had some sort of equipment or other issue causing him to stop playing for a bit at the beginning of the transition. Oh, yeah, Jer, dig into that "On a north bound train" line. This and the out-of-place IKYR are going to get merged into one track when I get a chance.

    Set II:
    Promised Land: Yeah. Everybody's definitely up off their blankets now.

    Bertha: Got a little "Yee Haw" from someone nearby for "All night pouring, but not a drop on me." It's quite amazing how inobtrusive the audience is, considering this was recorded with a handheld mic by someone just hanging out in crowd.

    Greatest Story: Nice wah wah Jerry licks. Jerry's wah is so bubbly and has a rich swell, like the sound of a wave on the ocean. Using the rocking motion of the foot pedal definitely puts the player physically off balance, so I can understand why he seemed to abandon it later in favor of the Mutron "auto-wah" tone filter. Sounds so good here, though. Jerry's volume sounds cranked, though, totally drowning everything out. I ain't complaining. Oh, yeah. A little jam in GSET? They seem to have gone into something altogether different. I'm not sure if this is a set piece, but it feels unfamiliar to me. I know that I've heard occasional jams in Greatest Story, but they seem rare. This is definitely no longer the Greatest Story chord progression, but I don't know what it is, and then Wamp, Wamp-Wamp, right back into it. Now I'm gonna hafta start checking out Spring 1974 Greatest Stories. That was hot and adventurous, like maybe something went wrong and they fought through it… but maybe there was just a jam in this song back then.

    Ship of Fools: Giving the manic dancers their first break of the second set. The taper is stopping the tape between songs, though, so who knows how long they spent tuning in between. Very nice harmony work from Bobby and Donna.

    Weather Report: Seems a bit tentative in the earlier segments, but the Let It Grow jam is developing interestingly. The whole band just seems sort of in a gentle mood this night. Everything is soft and malleable, and most of all, creative, when they go off into improvised sections. The straight tunes are tight and, well, straightforward, but I'm hearing all sorts of novel ideas coming through during the instrumental segments. There seems to be a completely different confidence at work during this jazzy work out. You can hear Billy getting back to his swing roots and playing off Keith. This is fantastic. Such subtle interplay. Normally when I hear the full suite performed I wonder why they didn't continue to use the first parts, but in this case I didn't feel that way.

    Peggy-O: Jerry's picking is quite aggressive, and his tone is very chimey, even behind his vocal. Relaxed tempo, even by Peggy-O standards. In this recording it sounds almost like Billy and Jerry doing a duet, but Keith adds some accents here and there.

    ??: What is this? A playful little jam and some quiet noodling where the audience's shouts and requests become more prominent. Bobby announces technical difficulties.

    Truckin': Nice buildup, but not the major bomb drop I'm used to, and from there things start to get really weird. It's not spacy weird, just, "Whoa, what the heck is this?" weird. Some of the early 70s Truckin's could get totally abstract, so this is just the way they rolled back then. Great stuff. Gettin' that funky groove goin' from the first set again, even as the changes take on some jazzy influences. Bobby is very clear in the mix, and my oh, my it's gettin' Weir'ed. Jerry busts in with a burst of guitar feedback which seems to shock everyone for a moment, but they're still groovin'. This is the gold I look for in any show. It's funny because Mind Left Body actually sounds a lot like Loose Lucy. Billy and Phil getting' into a little funky-drummer exchange. Finally Phil breaks through in the mix with some space for him to hit that Bootsy one. In the info text "Jam" and "Mind Left Body Jam" had been listed separately, but they're actually all included in the Truckin' track, which is my preference. Cousinit made a real mess of this file set, but I can fix it. Rarely are there such glaring mistakes on the Archive, but this one has definitely been put together somewhat carelessly.

    NFA: This interesting because I've been listening to a lot of Alligator era NFA's or Bean era NFA's, and that gives a nice context to compare to this Wolf tone… of course, there is a LOT of recording tech affecting the sound here, but even though there's a nice honk, everything seems so nice and round and gently muted. Hey. What's this breakdown in NFA. Pretty sure I've never heard that before… and GTRFB. THAT, was an interesting transition.

    GTRFB: Nothing to worry about here. The old standby. Billy's hi-hat figure during the breakdown is, again, getting really funky with a swinging 16th note feel, or something. Very cool.

    US Blues: Mars Hotel weighted setlist. What month did that come out? Good, tight version.

    Johnny B. Goode: Full colosseum clap along for a high energy reading that does justice to the Check Berry original. Sometimes this can get a bit too languid. This one is rockin' hard.

    On repeated listen, I've messed with the EQ some. First of all I bumped up the EQ preamp level, I dunno, about 10db, I guess. I then added a further 12db of 64Hz, and 125Hz on the 10 band EQ to bring Phil nicely into the mix, but also lowered almost everything else about 6db on frequencies that had been flat to make the bass frequency differential greater. The bass still isn't terribly defined, but it at least brings Phil into play. He was completely inaudible without EQ. Got just a touch more vocal by giving the 1KHz and 2KHz about 1db. The tape has a sort of nostalgic cheap car speaker sound, so I actually wanna preserve a bit of that… not that I could really get rid of it. There's quite a nice venue ambiance, especially when there is more space in the arrangements, like during the Mind Left Body Jam.

    The vocal drop-outs others have mentioned were not audible to the audience.

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    That is a great show. According to the cd notes it was recorded, along with shows in late January and the Feb-March shows, for possible inclusion on Live Dead. It probably won't happen - the song lists are obviously very similar, but it would make a great box set to release all the shows recorded.
    The shows from 1967-1971 inclusive are the main ones for me in 30 Trips.

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    Mornin’, rockers!!!

    Pick Of The Day: Dream Bowl February 22, 1969

    Relatively speaking, the yang to the yin of February 21, 1969. True art is characterized by an irresistible urge in the creative artist…..

    I have the space, you have the time, let’s revisit. Officially released in October 2015 as part of Thirty Trips Around The Sun, one almost never hears about this show, possibly because it gets overshadowed by the blazing white hot glare of the Fillmore West Shows of February 27th to March 2nd. This is very much “of a kind” with those shows, featuring the typically sweet Mountains Of The Moon (always loved that song!), a long exploratory Dark Star, a fierce, crunchy Other One, a deathly Death Don’t, a fine Eleven, and a greasy Lovelight that clocks in at a mere 21+ minutes.

    Great music, great sound quality, I suggest you find the time…..

    The only reason for time is so that everything doesn't happen at once…..

    Rock on,

    Doc
    There comes a time when the mind takes a higher plane of knowledge but can never prove how it got there…..

  • daverock
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    That's good to read - they opened with Mississippi Half Step - Franklins Tower the first time I saw them 3/24/81. A great start to the show for sure.

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    In my experience, any show that starts off with Mississippi half-step uptown toodleloo is usually a great one and 5-19-74 is no exception. That pacific northwest box grows on ya, for sure.

  • daverock
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    I haven't played it this year yet, but it has become one of my most played shows from this year - mainly because I bought it on vinyl. But it is really good, too. To me, it's better than its song list suggests - the songs leading up to the Truckin' jam are well played and forward moving, and that final jam is superb. It has been castigated in some quarters for the vocal drop outs. A price worth paying, in my opinion. All three 1974 shows in the box it was culled from are top notch.

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    Hey Bluecrow, #13 is definitely in my top five. Love this show. Listen to it quite a bit. #42 hasn't resonated with me as much as #13, don't know why. How do you all feel?

    I will throw out Dave's Picks #7, 4/24/78, for our old buddy That's Otis. I believe you are fan of this era. Hope all is well out there for you and the rest of the crew!

  • rockthing
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    I've got a beta-max transfer of 2/24/74... which stayed in heavy rotation for a long time when it first hit my library, but low and behold Portland 74 has collecting proverbial dust in the old hard disk, too. Time for something brand new (to me).

    A Pat Lee master cassette passed down the generations.

    It's a little hissy, and I'm not getting much Phil at the start, but Jerry and Bob's gutiars are crystal clear. Jerry's voice coming in a close second in the mix with some occasional Keith flourishes wafting to the fore. Billy's cymbals sound crisp, if somewhat thin. Getting a nice Jamaican dub sound when he switches to the highhat. Kick is in there, clear, but with with a soft tone, and none of the hyper-compressed abrasive contemporary festival sound. Donna's harmonies are on, and blended well with Jerry and Bob for the Across the Rio Grande-oh finale of Halfstep. Jerry plays an aggressive outro solo.

    Mexicali: The mix and tape quality remain consistent. It's mostly a guitar oriented sound, but Bobby's voice is clear, if slightly too far back. Even in '74 they could do this one in their sleep. Have you ever heard a real train wreck during Mexicali? I can't recall one. A fan let's out a hoarse, "Whao!" apparently feeling the southwest polka vibes.

    Big Railroad Blues. Love me some BRB. There are short pauses in the tape where Pat Lee is clearly well aware of the need to conserve footage. Could do with A LOT more Phil in the mix. Might fiddle with the EQ in a bit.

    Black Throated Wind: Awkward song that I sometimes really like, and other times can do without.

    Scarlet: Crowd gives Donna a big cheer as the song reaches it's finale. Of course they egged Bobby on with some of his crazy antics, too, but it's nice to hear that early 70s audiences appreciated her contributions.

    Beat It On Down The Line: Always love this one. Nice double vocal from Bobby and Donna. Some unfortunate microphone feedback during Jerry's solo. Phil's backing vocals are there. The bass frequencies either never made it onto the cassette, or have evaporated through the generations of open reels and cassettes.

    Tennessee Jed: Nice bounce to this laid-back rendition. Another one of my favorite tunes, as I've mentioned before. Another nice, appreciative response from the audience who are almost completely unnoticeable for the majority of the time.

    Bobby McGee. I picture the audience mostly having a lie-down on the lawn during this first set. Just a nice day in the park with some live music in the background.

    Ok, well, that's as far as I'll get in this sitting, but really looking forward to that big Truckin' jam at the end of the show. Now spoilers! 😉 Just kidding.

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Bolo24 says: An Idea, Perhaps? Since we're all going to have a fair amount of spare time on our hands for the foreseeable future, what about starting another thread where we all listen to the same show/release on a given day and then share impressions afterward? Folks can submit suggestions and one person (not me) picks what we'll all listen to - call it Deadnet Picks or something. Anyway, if this idea is deemed to have merit, I'd suggest one of the loyal regular posters take the lead and do the picking - y'all can decide who. Might be fun. If it does go forward, I nominate Dick's Picks 18 for the first listen. Been talked about here lately, and, had it been a single show rather than a compilation, we'd probably be talking about it in the same conversation as Cornell, Veneta, etc. Or perhaps even Gainesville?? Stay safe and healthy, friends - this planet needs as many Deadheads as possible.

We danced, laughed, and got our blaze on at both of these shows. They hadn't played Roanoke for 13 years when 1987 rolled around, and even though I was stationed at Ft Bragg, doing my 4 years as an enlisted infantry paratrooper with the mighty 82nd Airborne Division, I wasn't going to let this show pass without being there.
I still remember driving in to Roanoke, on 581, and having some dude in a car pull up beside us at 70 mph, and making the universal sign for Uncle Sid, by touching his outstretched tongue with his finger as he looked at us through our car windows. We were used to being under Uncle Sam's constant watch, so we just laughed to ourselves, and waved back.
I distinctly remember a very emotional Candyman, as Jerry had only recently recovered from his diabetic coma the year before, and it seemed that his rendition had all of the weight of a funeral procession, but of course, beautiful and endearing at the same time.

2/4/79 - Dane County, Mad Town. Final weeks of the Godchaux era. There's a new Clugston audience available. Sampled it at Shakedown Set II opener and it sounds pretty darn good to my ears. Had a chance to see this show, buddies had a ticket for me, but, oops, took a pass on it. Maybe had a big test or something, maybe just screwing up, maybe both.

Edit - Oro, the Great Dane Box, so many good box set names available, just need the box sets themselves, e.g. Box of Rocks, Baked Alaska ..... and I had that same crazy thought re Roanoke release.

Now, just riffing here: as we’ve noticed a ton of Healy/Pearsons, especially some 87s being added, BUT, not these awesome Roanoke shows? Perhaps their saving em for a release sometime? Hey, just a thought ; )

But speaking of since I’m totally just f@#$&&ing off at work today (SLACKER) LOL
Let’s finally discuss those (hope I can remember).
7/7/87: right outta the gate has that “it” vibe and never really looks back. A Finiculi, Finicula always a good sign, sweet 1/2 step, even the Walking Blues which can sometimes be a buzz kill is good. Candyman, Esau, Push, all good of course Bob has to get the wanna be cowboy fix in, followed by a Bird Song, which I think was killer, but having trouble recalling, with a spirited Promised Land, not just a quick and dirty time for a piss and a drink version.
Unusual West LA set opener, , and it’s got a Cumberland, and a hot second set one to boot! Overall good but nothing unusual second set including a good but I wouldn’t say great Dew? Splitting hairs as I’m sure it was great if you were there, which I can’t believe I could have been but wasnt, Dooaahh! I’ll have to call BOO469 tonight and get his memories as he burnout and company were there.
7/8/87: starts out with a ripping Bucket and good Sugaree, and All over now to keep things rolling instead of some buzz kill Bob ad nauseam blues repeat. I took that as another sign that they were into these shows.
Duprees I seem to recall was maybe not quite as tight as the rest but always a fun ditty. Even Good Times seemed above average in the band vibe department. Masterpiece good but perhaps not comparable to what it and all the Dylan tunes Bob hit hard in the late 80s? A nice Big Railroad which I don’t believe git a lot of play then so a nice surprise, followed by a sweet Let It Grow!
Second set starts with a good if not mind blowing S/F, Estimated and Eyes, but we get a really nice Crazy Fingers outta space and then another pleasant surprise of Truckin to give that late energy boost. But then yet another pleasant surprise, Comes A Time as the boys seem like thier trying to one up each other with the crowd being the winner!
Rock Star Bob to bring it home, and a nice Muddy River to bring folks back to earth and out into the night!
Wow, if you didn’t know you might find it hard to believe this is 87, but 87 it is and perhaps at its best?
I saw 14 shows from spring and summer and kinda got turned off. I mean I liked em and as always had a great time and glad I went, but? Part my BS, part the scene, part expectations. So between that and not digging the only big east coast venues on the fall menu skipped the rest of the year, well, bad on me!
Yeah I’ll be checking these out again fo sho!

4/7/78: from the newly discovered (for moi) great spring 78 tour. Good show with many hot spots, but comparatively to what I’ve been able to check out from this tour so far, I’d say this one is more middle of the road. So far that sweet surprise that was DaP 37? one that I was nonplussed, until I heard it! Is my benchmark, that and others from middle tour of the awesome sounding Beatty board variety are perhaps the cream of the tour (much more research needed) but that’s like comparing Porches to Beamers.
Since there’s complete Beatty’s in the vault, I’m thinking we’ll get a box someday, but as always who knows when/if?
I mean ole Dave seems to get easily distracted by birds and things lol, so can only imagine how he gets in the vault ; )

3/19/77: gave this a superficial listen. Believe y’all did this one awhile back so thought I’d sneak it in while folks catch up and/or wallow in the 74 majesty that is DaP 42! Got a decent full treatment in on that last week too. Man that HCSS and disc three are fantabulous!
Ok, hoping to skip out early so might try and hit 6/24/73 and/or Dicks 68 at home with a ice cold summer brew as it’s gotten hot hear all of a sudden, as is often the case here.
Hopefully Mr Jimmy isn’t working too hard on those cabinets or playing ball in the house ; )
Happy Friday amigos!
ONWARD

OH, if your out there Mr Smith, is it warm enough for ya yet lol, stay cool and have a great WE

Edit: BC big time son, big time as The Hawk used to say!

DBL Edit: Pearlysbeentrue, nice to meet ya, thanks for stopping by and contributing. The more the merrier!

Triple edit: BC, I hit that one not too long ago researching my Great Dane Box. (have to credit VGUY with the awesome name). Like all the Dane shows, it’s a good one, for the time at least if not more? So I might pass and hit Jim and DVs picks, but definitely check it out and report back por favor!

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Hello David,
I know we are not to request for a specific show to be released and I understand that would be overwhelming. So I’m not going to do that. I going to lobby for a general geographical area ! And that is southwest Virginia. And to clarify SWVa has little to nothing in common with Northern Virginia or the Tidewater area. We are the beautiful and rural part of Virginia. 4 hours from DC and 4 1/2 hours from Williamsburg. With that said the GD played here 4 times from 1974-1987. Three times at the Roanoke Civic Center and once at Virginia Tech. Pick any and all !
The 74 show was a real trip. The civic center was only about 1/2 full but that 1/2 was ready and tripping. It was a great night for Roanoke. It was my 8th show but it was the first for a large percentage of the crowd. The US Blues>Jam>Promised Land was primal. They had done similar sequence a month before in Miami but we didn’t know that. To this day when I hear that jam in the sequence it makes feel like I’m hearing some organic primal stew brewing. Tribal !!
I’m a Hokie grad and Blacksburg is sacred ground around here. So in 1978 when they announced this show we were over the top. And it was a different story this time. The place was packed to the rafters. They were VERY popular by then. I was fortunate enough to see the two FOX Theater shows earlier that week. Just listen to TOO>Black Peter and tell me the boys were not ON this night. The whole show is smoking. A couple interesting side notes we relayed to me by friends on the concert committee. The band got to Blacksburg a day early and a couple of them came out and saw our Hokie baseball team play. Also another committee person took Jerry and Bob in a VT van to a Roanoke theater and they saw Saturday Night Fever. He said on the 45 minute return trip they talked about the movie and it’s music. Those are second hand stories but the people that told them to me had no reason to lie. Something I saw with my own eyes was during the “percussion” segment of the show when all band members were on stage I saw Bob beating on Jerry !! Weir had drum sticks and started playing on Jerry’s back. Jerry looked surprised and then started laughing. One great night for sure.
We had to wait 9 years for them to pass our way again in 1987. By now they were HUGE !! How Roanoke got two nights in July right in the middle of stadium season is still a mystery. This time GD mania and culture took over and overwhelmed out humble little hamlet. It took years for our city fathers to get over this event. But the band did come to the Star City (huge star on mountain top above coliseum) and boy did the band play. Check out Morning Dew as an example of just what a meltdown occurred those two nights. We were blessed and we knew it.........those were the days my friend.
Hopefully you were able to find time to read my scrabble and as I said earlier, I’m not requesting a specific show but I/we think it time for some love for the mountains of SWVa 😉. I saw Jerry 101 times from 1973-1995. These shows hold their own with any I ever saw.

Thanks for being a great keeper Of the vault and the flame.

PLP in Rocky Mount, VA Go Hokies !!

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How'd they find us? We've been found out..

Clean this mess up else we'll all end up in jail
Those test-tubes and the scale
Just get it all out of here
Is there gas in the car?
Yes, there's gas in the car
I think the people down the hall know who you are.

Oh, it's just the Grateful Dead Bulletin. Never mind.. as you were.

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A rimshot on the drum for Jim!
Nice "Stealie" Dan reference.
My POD just became my long forgotten vinyl of the Aja album.
Finished second taste of DaP42 yesterday and realized my mistake on the first run through.
More volume was necessary!
Cheers on your weekend.

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Well duh, that’s what happens when every A frame has your number on the wall!

“More volume was necessary” nice!

RIVERDOG: thanks for joining our little party!
But a, Dave’s not here man!
No, the inmates most definitely run the asylum here…which is nice!

Looks like I will be stuck inside for a while. Have we ever hit 10/31/79? I can't remember, but I think this would be a good show to check out again.
This Nassau run would make a great box. Three great shows, throw in Providence, and the two Spectrum shows and you would have a winner. Yes. I know they 'releaed" 11/5 and 11/6 as downloads, but most people don't have them and 11/5 is a top five show in my book. And I know they released that crazy Scarlet Fire form Nassau as hidden tracks from Dicks 13, but it would be great to have it as a full show. Would to see some variety and this late 79 delivers that.

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Okey dokey Smokey!
Not exactly sure when, but it’ll be next up on my Dead listening fo sho!

Hit most of Dicks 68 for FAC and then select cuts of about half of 6/23/73 Friday night which was awesome!
They both were perfect vibes for the situation, cause as we all know, “the situation is the boss”
The 68 for the Friday energy, and I guess I was really jonesing for an Alligator!
The 73, especially that disc 3, was perfect for first night being able to party on the back patio!
Like a light switch, it’s gotten warm. So the stars aligned: warm out, almost full moon, new comfy patio chair, fully stocked on summer beer, with a sonic collage of spacey dead, all kinds of night birds and critters etc, and the sweet sound of the creek as it’s full run off. Fortunate that our “backyard” is so vast and beautiful (our yards only about 20’ , but beyond is open, mountain rimmed valley. So with the moon this WE its prime time! Perhaps we’ll hit some of that 79 at the pa-teh on da patio baby!

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Reporting in. This show is freaking great and should be released if there is a clean Betty Board to be had. Want that humble opinion clearly understood upfront. Maybe part of that Great Dane Box ; )

Like Oro wrote about 7/7/87 - sometimes you know the band is on from the get-go. The opening MIssissippi Half-Step > Franklin's Tower kills it - just a great version of Franklin's. Other 1st set highlights are a beautiful Peggy-O, a stellar Friend of the Devil (always something I look for), and a sweet sweet sweet Lazy Lightning > Supplication closer with Bob and Donna locked in on the vocal exchange. Of note - Donna's singing is really solid throughout the show. You would never guess this is less than 2 weeks til the end of the Godchaux era. Jerry's singing also noticeably emotive. Phil is very much on.

A great Godchaux era Shakedown to open Set II. Samson. Heart of Me. Terrapin > 18+ min Playing. Great laid back Iko out of D/S > Jerry doing his best mournful Black Peter > rocking Around. The US Blues is a solid send off into the February winter night.

The Clugsman audience has a good hall balance for the time. Some talkie and clappy folks are an occasional minor issue. One thing seems apparent in all that - a good time was had by all.

Final assessment - I def screwed up in not seeing this show. And it wasn't the last time I'd do that unfortunately.

If 7-7-87 was good check out 7-2-87 another one must hear from the opener to the end from that era show of quality performance and good set list - is there a good copy of the show ? not really the best copies are sharp with lots of crowd noise, why ? humidity and rain - afternoon concert outdoors with ohio valley and lake effect rain all morning in Rochester ny area - the digital recorders of the era couldn't operate well and the tapers got less than great copies for most palates , i love it - even if the tapes are just good they show was great

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WEIDRICH: nice to meet ya!
Thanks for stopping by.
We actually hit 7/2/87 recently here on Pick of the Day with discussion, and everyone seemed to have a positive overall consensus!
As I was fortunate to be at that one, I can understand your interesting comments about recordings vis a vis humidity etc. It was most definitely one of those Great Lake sweat fests! But man the energy was off the hook!

2/4/79: I knew you’d like that one BC! Yep, it’s easy to second guess all these years later lol, I’m sure everyone thinks about the show(s) that got away, sigh…unfortunately, my understanding is there’s no tapes for these early 79 shows, but who knows with all that’s happened last few years? That Dane box would be sweeeeet!

Ok DV, 10/31/79 Rollin. Ha, Phil sounds wrecked when he first starts telling folks to step back etc, ah, the Heineken years!

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Let me know what you think OB. I really enjoyed this one and would love to see the whole run released. They just really seem to be stretching a lot of songs out during this period. Yes, what in the world went on at these shows with the crowd.??
Add in all the new material from Terrapin through Go to Heaven and you get a lot material. Recording is great until it goes into an audience patch during Wharf Rat.
Okay, I need to go back and check out February 79 at Dane County.

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Yeah we loved 7/2! That was the start of our sonic journey to Roanoke via Pittsburgh. FYI in case you aren't aware there is fairly recent Healy Ultramatrix of the show now circulating thst sounds really nice. You can find it on relisten or the archive.

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Hey, rockers!!!

Pick of the day: Monterey June 14 1969

How about a Lovelight sandwich? It’s huge! Subway would be jealous……………

The Dead are still a bit of a west coast cult jam band, so here we are in a gymnasium again. It’s not the Pigfest that Moraga was, but it’s still very fine and very enjoyable. It clearly demonstrates that not only could the Dead jam out on their psychedelic magnum opus Star, but they could do it backing Pigpen’s blues rave-ups.

Plus it has another cool version of He Was A Friend Of Mine……………

Scott Clugston put out a very nice---and pitch corrected---remaster of this unheralded show last December. We should be grateful, and it’s worth a listen. And while it may never be officially released (there’s a couple of edits), it does reveal that, given modern sonic technology, some Summer 69 shows are potentially releasable……………………..

So what are they waiting for????

Doc
I’m a couple sandwiches short of a picnic…..

6/14/69: I’m in!

10/31/79: didn’t get a good listen, but most of what I heard I liked!
Don’t recall much of the first set standing out, perhaps the newish Sailor/Saint, but the second set definitely had some big moments. Seemed like the medication factor both helped and hindered at times? I’ve always liked it when they get a little over the top and taking chances. Sure the slop quotient can go up, but more so the X factor and interesting directions and variations.
That’s how this cool Shakedown seemed to me, as especially noteworthy near the back of the jam if you listen to the unique sorta one note pounding foundation that Phil’s laying down. It’s a good representation of the sort of full throttled boozey, cocky, machismo vibe that permeates much of this show.
Sure it’s not pristine, but it’s what makes this a great Shakedown.
Same with Passenger. Not always pretty, and Bob fumbles early, but full on roaring R&R!
A nice Ramble On in an unusual (non 70s) second set slot, followed by Estimated Eyes. I like that Bob hasn’t started to scream so much in Estimated as the screaming nonsense has not aged well for me at least. Funny I never realized just how much screaming went on BITD. But unfortunately today it is sometimes hard to take, for moi anyway.
Perhaps one of the coolest parts of this show for me was the sweet jam outta Eyes, with a drums/space perhaps more indicative of the future than the status quo? That whole sequence was a highlight for me, landing in yet another Rat, but Bob brings it up again with another of those aforementioned rowdy and jammy rockers, Truckin, which ends up being the big closer. Of course a rowdy rockish night like this needs a R&R finish, and what’s more R&R than JBG!
Interesting show, good, but not sure I’d call it 11/6 or 12/1 good?

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It would be interesting to nail down precisely when they started in tunes like LL Rain, Estimated, etc. Was it a gradual thing or did it begin in a specific tour or show?

To the archive! :-) Stay cool all...

Misty watercolor memories...

Just sittin (on top of the world) here.

Reflecting back 35 years. Sitting on the rail right in front of Jerry. Dosed to the tilt. Only around 3,500 present, beautiful late spring day. Palm trees swaying, fronds crackling with electricity. Very nice show to reflect on...as is the whole weekend.

Been spending a pretty good amount in deadbase. Just a wealth of info. Sometimes, just chasing rabbits and thinking statistically. Just in case, thanks to John, Stu, Mike.

I remember getting the two big binders xeroxed, pre-publication, and just spending countless hours reviewing and playing fantasy dead.

Hope Dead & Company have a great show tonight. Thought about PPV but show wont start until 9:30 my time, I am too old for this sht. I am sure I will grab one or two PPV before all over.

Dead and company have now placed a + in their logo, good job. Way back yonder, in days of old, when trade was by camels and caravans, that is what company meant. Caravan. So by adding the plus sign the fellas are giving an inclusion of the travelling caravan, the heads who keep pushing this bus forward.

Saw 3 panic shows a couple of weeks back. Then ordered 3 PPV/on demand of the same weekend with Phish. Just a lot of great music. Really noticed on Phish, wow, average age is late 20's to early 30's. Was a bit shocking to me, especially seeing the one old deadhead there. Man, more power to you Sir!

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6/14/69: another hot but dirty 69. Recording a tad oversaturated, but not bad and a fine 69.
Thanks to Doc for being our primal concierge! Boy it’s a shame they didn’t break some of these tunes out years later: Doin that Rag, Friend of Mine, and not here but Mountains of the Moon etc. can you imagine, well at least Phil broke em out eventually. The Eleven too! Interesting early Dire Wolf, sounds like Bobs sitting out and Phil’s playing very basic accompaniment. Cool sheet Mon.

Gary, you talking bout Ventura? Bet those were fun. Only got there once working Futhur tour in 96 but I was Dead dreaming the whole time. Can only imagine…

WTJ: I’d say the screaming started long before those. Maybe it was because of Janis, or, seemed like it was a thing early on in rock, and hey I’ve heard those Lysergic sugar cubes can give ya a real energy boost too. I think maybe they got Donna doing it too? I also believe I read somewhere once that Bob got all into primal scream when that was a “thing” BITD? But that would of been probably more around when those songs you speak of came round?

I’m sure it’s an acquired taste, and BITD there were times when I loved it. But sometimes…not so much.
Really it’s just more nowadays as at 60 it doesn’t resonate like it used to. An occasional short blast for affect is one thing, but sometimes you think “unless he strokes out he’s never gonna stop” LOL.
Good ole Weir, always good for a laugh, it must of been fun hanging with the crew especially when they picked on the kid!

Wish I had something else on the short side lined up. Don’t think I could get a full show in?
Oh well, perhaps hang it up and see what tomorrow brings…

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Ok, maybe not over the top rock and roll screaming a la a vintage Minglewood, say 5-15-70 or earlier. I'm more thinking about when the effeminate yelping began in tunes like LL Rain and Estimated. He wasn't pulling that kind of stuff in earlier incarnations of at least those 2 tunes, so I was wondering if anyone really nailed down when those sorts of antics started or was it more of an evolution. He doesn't do that kind of crap anymore does he? Sometimes he can sound to me like Will Ferrell's Harry Caray impression. I forget which tune it was that I hear that in, but it's definitely 80's/90's. :-P

I'm a recovered bobslideahateaholic. After years of therapy, I have finally embraced Bob as the artist and songwriter he deserved to be. In truth, my favorite Bob days were with his Gibson ES-335. The slide and Ibanez never fully gelled with me.. as for histrionics, I think they started with Not Fade Away circa early on, thinking late 70 through 71 might have done the most damage to his vocal chords.

I don't know man.. but at this point, I think he fully deserves his seat at the throne. I have forgiven him for years of slide abuse and yelping that outside of pornhub and the Jackson Five, has never been captured on tape before or since. God love'em.. Bob is ok with me.

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Weir screaming on St. Stephen, on Aoxomoxoa, sounds great. Also with Pig Pen on Not Fade Away is a knockout.

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what a freaking screamer of a show. awesome pick. thanks DV.

went with the Dr Goodseeds matrix.

also really enjoyed Doc's rec of 6/14/69. sounded sweet to my ears.

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There are some early Pig Lovelights where Bob's screaming at the end is pretty much unlistenable to me. Some early NFAs are a close second. Not sure how he didn't permanently mess up his vocal cords way early on. And for the record, I have no problems with Donna on Playing. Not even close.

I have no issues with his later theatrics with Estimated, etc.

I think it’s like many things: there’s a sweet spot. Sometimes it works just right, sometimes he just goes too far.
I think that was part of the challenge for DG: she was a singer, used to quiet studio with monitors etc, Bob wanted her to scream and/or she had to in order to hear herself.
Hey I love Bob too, but he can be fun to pick on!
7/2/89 video with barrettes and short shorts anyone ; )

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His singing seems quite impressive to me in 1971, especially on the more country style material. Not a fan of his rock ' roll singing so much, or his blues/soul attempts. Like Donna, a bit shouty in 1974. But as the jamming went to the moon and back it's a small price to pay.

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Don’t think we’ve ever hit 12/12/73. At least I know I haven’t.
That is unless someone is hot for something other?

That works for me. I was hankering for some rowdy 83 or 85 too.. all good things in all good time.

Thanks guys for keeping it going. It's been a really weird two weeks here for a host of external reasons that are completely out of my control. Mr. Toads Wild Ride.

Be good all, and a sincere thanks for being yourselves and providing the soundtrack.

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Remember those posters people often had around the office etc with a kitten hanging?
Well, sending a psychic one your way buddy! Can send psychic hugs too if need be ; )

73 today, with something rocking from 83 or 85 mañana to go with the Friday energy?
12/12 has some fun sound check stuff on it and the Miller sounds pretty good.

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Sounds like a good idea, I have never heard this one.
Glad you liked 10/31/79 Bluecrow, this run is really hot.

Hang in there Jim!
Bad waters over as well, which I think we are close to the back end.
Stay well all.

yep ventura, as i think back it may be the best venue i went to. Just all around awesome.

No cops no dea.

I sailor outside was saying loudly, help me smoke this, i have to be back on base soon. He had an ounce, we stayed for 15 minutes or so. Eight miles high. It didnt take him but maybe 45 minutes to an hour and he's gone.

Then one guy was holding up above his head a 12" mushroom. Had to buy that as we were heading to Berkeley after those shows.

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I wasn't able to fit this in. I did make it through the first half of 12/12 though. The first Peggy-O. Get the Miller with the soundcheck songs.

I'll get the rest of this in tomorrow and with a little luck, 10/31/79.

Jerry singing Sleigh Ride? Get autta here. What a great sound check.. hope we get an official release with sound check as the bonus material, this would be a good one.

Love Ventura.. made it there once. Would love to go back.

OB, told the tale of hang on baby on the 42 thread. It's been a wild ride.. I'm a big exhausted.. love the kitty w/ claws in the branch reference. It's not too far from truth.

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Best wishes and best of luck for you, your Dad, your brother, the whole family.

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Good pick OB. Yes, enjoyed the sound check, those can be fun.
Sound quality was good, would love to hear an official Norman version at some point.

Early versions of Peggy O, always good.
I could be wrong but I believe they debuted this one two days earlier on 12/10/73, which was also part of the download series. Really solid show Eyes Dew!

Did I hear an 83 pick for today? What do you have for us?

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With all this Ventura talk lately…
Newish Eaton supplied SB available.

Looks like might be short show so 7/31 for extra credit, please show your work! ; )

EDIT: Dooaahh, forgot about 12/12/73. Long interesting show, cool/fun sound check stuff!
Fall 73 always good, but perhaps this one was a tad laid back comparatively?
Maybe just this trying to listen while working situation mucking up my perspective?
Now that doesn’t mean I didn’t like it etc, just they all can’t be the best, and this tour arguably one of the top GD tours ever, well, not being number one doesn’t mean much then. What is the best of fall 73, pphhhhh, I’d get a headache even trying to start thinking about it lol. 10/19, 11/11, 12/18 or 19, their all pretty damn good imho.
But yeah, early PEGGY just for Jimmy ; ), I love those early Love Each Others, sure the “regular” versions are awesome, but these early ones are so fun! Playing etc, and that cool sequence from GSET onward. Of course Bob just has to play Uncle damn near every show lol. Yeah, cool set list, from cool show, from one of my favorite tours! Sweetness!

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Did we ever do the Santa Fe shows here? It's super high on VGuy's lists.

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Their real, and their spectacular!
But we can go there, or wherever you like amigo, It’s a buck Jimmies choice my friend.
You call the play, I’ll run the pattern!

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Let's stick w/ 7/30. If I get a chance for extra credit, I will hit up Santa Fe.

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Definitely hit those when you can, VGUYs right on bout those!

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While watching the US Open.
Bound to be a Me & My Uncle in there.
Cheers

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Rolling! Thanks. Enjoy the weekend.

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Did catch 7/30/83 but no time to discuss, though I’m curious what y’all thought?
Been listening to other stuff and really digging this new GarciaLive 18!

ISTSHOW: curious how you liked those 83 Sante Fe shows?

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Aud. from a friend of the 9-11-83. Good reliable source of quality shows. Poor recording but thoroughly enjoyable. It had the Mexicali reference to Sante Fe I had remembered. Wispy outdoor sound like windy? Reminds me of the poor Telluride tapes I have. The energy was great! Wasn't this a Grateful Dead Hour clip not too long ago? My friend said the taper was chiding his friends for not going after Red Rocks.
Cheers

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All righty then sports fans how bout 10/12/77, with a 7/12/87 chaser?
Following my anniversary methodology of this year being 2’s and 7’s…and 10/12/77 is a new one for moi, so a, I mean, why wouldn’t ya?

ISTSHOW/Santa Fe 83: VGUY turned us onto these and I loved em, top shelf 83 fo sho! Glad you liked them!

EDIT: if our ole buddy GOGD we’re still hanging round he’d be able to answer that lickity split, but alas, he went away and left our dead ass here by the side of the road.

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In for 10/12/77 OB. A little fall 77 in Texas.
Can't make any promises on July 87, but I will do my best.
7/30/83- Decent recording. Funky Esau. Great Sugaree, not your uncle's Truckin. I got my start with live dead with 83 tapes. So many different lives these guys lived. Love it.

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On the DaP42 thread. 1-22-78.
Only my second listen.
Damn, I love '78.
Always looking over the edge of the abyss.
Cheers, and happy summer!
Dance in the streets if you feel the need.

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Yep, the 83 was ok, funky sound, mostly really high end and on Bobs vocal the Eaton version?
Cool trucking, but your really gonna love Truckin from that 77 show. Whole shows good, but that last section after drums is stellar! The 87 was good, especially the first set, but it’s sloppier than I recall?

Cool story about Canyon lands. Been there a few times and the Needles, think we off roaded to some remote Native sites? Awesome trip! Never been to the Maze though.

Four winds blow to an old buddy that we got into plenty of mischief and a few Dead shows together BITD.
Unfortunately he had issues that manifested over the years and he was not living a good life. Supposedly he passed in his sleep. Hopefully he has peace now. Here’s to The Weasel!

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Thanks Oro. Appreciate it. Here's to the Weasel as well.
Guy from Gunnison BITD (Les Lloyd?) was an amazing solo hiker who had done a lot of time in The Maze and had a map marking all the springs where water could be found. I believe he did a lot of climbs there too. I too have not gone there. Takes some commitment that I certainly lack now. I do have a copy of that wall sized map of his though. 5ft.x 4ft. topo 1: 62,500 Canyonlands and Vicinity, Utah 1968. I wonder if they even print those big boys now. Made a great college wall hanging under the filtered light from an Indian cotton tapestry hanging from the ceiling. I can almost smell the Columbian.
Cheers

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The Fine Colombian...

Fast forward 50 years.. Cuervo is now the tequila with a nose that reminds you of the last time you puked after drinking it and Colombian was the last weed people smoked that commonly was packed with seeds and stems and sometimes twine that held the bales together (none of which are good to smoke).

Does anyone remember paraquat?

My how times have changed.

As much as we like to complain, you gotta admit we have it pretty good. Betty boards, (almost) legal, high quality weed with zero chance of seeds, stems and nylon twine. You get a computer read of what's in it and the concentration. Edibles are a plenty.. and we get some ridiculous amount of cleaned up, fully restored, amazing GD music each and every year.

Spent a good bit of time in Canyonlands and Needles too. Don't overlook Needles in SD and Needles in Ca also. Cool places, all good. Some really mind bending rock climbs in Needles SD. Holy cow.. ah to be young again.....

Been gone a bit, having a bit of a difficult week but things are progressing. I had to leave in a hurry and just had time to grab podzilla before I left. So I had to hit stuff that I had either already converted or officially released stuff. I did not have 10/31/83 or Santa Fe.. so I hit Boise and Worcester from 83 and kept the party going with the Spectrum 84, all Dave's or Dicks Picks, all high energy stuff. Itch scratched, the only thing missing was some 1984 cocaine which I probably have not done since 1984 - nasty stuff, not a fan but I love high octane GD when the mood suites me. I might not have listened to the Dicks Picks from Worcester since the month it was released. It was great but man.. you cannot unhear that snare drum. Philly and Boise are a big step up (although Worcester was on fire). It was all good.

....but now I have more ketchup to do.

Had a big family health issue to contend with.. all are recovering, albeit slowly and there is some loss of function but I am calling it a win with another month or two of rehab to contend with. Still.. JimInMD sighing a big sigh of relief. They made it to the other side.

That's all I have.. I tried pretty hard to keep up here but I had a handicap. I will hit Marin and Santa Fe this week. I hope you guys won't wind a belated reply.

Back to your previously scheduled Cumberland Blues > Cassady

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Enjoyed 10/12/77 Texas. Old transfer that dates back to 2004. I would have to think an upgrade will come out at some point. Spring 77 of course gets al the accolades, but you got to love fall 77. It seems to rock a little more, not as precise and we get the return of Truckin, Casey Jones, Dire Wolf, Dupree's and eventually China Rider in December. If you haven't listened to 10/2/77, it is worth checking out, I think we hit this one at some point last year. I hope it becomes a future pick. Casey Jones opener is so good.

Thinking of continuing the 79 Nassau Run, with 11/1/79. This is the show with the crazy Scarlet Fire that appears as hidden tracks on Dick's 13.

Good to hear things are progressing Jim. Hope that continues.