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    One more Saturday night at Winterland! Yes, we're back to home base for DAVE'S PICKS VOLUME 42, the complete show from Winterland, San Francisco, 2/23/74. The one that featured the earliest amalgamation of what would soon become the Wall of Sound, the one that is so "loud, clear, and defined," it's been ripe for release for quite some time and we're glad it's finally getting its due.

    First set or second, there are no wrong answers here. From the unique show opener of Chuck Berry's "Around And Around" and an incredible "Here Comes Sunshine" that would then disappear for 18 years, to a medley of WAKE OF THE FLOOD tracks - "Row Jimmy," "Weather Report Suite," and "Stella Blue" - cementing their status in the canon and an unstoppable hour through the classic 1973-1974 Dead that is “He’s Gone”>“Truckin’”>“Drums”>“The Other One”>“Eyes Of The World,” it's all exceptionally hot.

    Limited to 25,000 numbered copies, DAVE’S PICKS VOLUME 42: WINTERLAND, SAN FRANCISCO, 2/23/74 was recorded by Kidd Candelario and has been mastered to HDCD specs by Jeffrey Norman at Mockingbird Mastering. Grab a copy while you can.

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  • billy the kiddd
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    Europe 72 box set / Fillmore West box set

    I see a few brand new copies of the Europe 72 steamer trunk on eBay ranging from $2395.00 to $4500.00. You can buy it at a lesser price for one that's not rated brand new. I think I bought the Fillmore West box for $80.00 when it first came out ; I bought 2 copies one for me and one for my brother. The Grateful Dead used to send out an almanac in the. mail and that's where I heard about it. It didn't sell out right away. I don't think that this web site was even up at that time.

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    I would keep your eyes on eBay for the E72 Steamer Trunk. Sometimes you can get lucky. Negotiate, sometimes it works. Discogs is risky for that big of a purchase because if something goes awry you have zero protection. There is no discogs customer service or even human beings that run that site. At least with eBay you have eBay guarantees if the seller doesn't offer them.
    I got one after all these years last September and it was worth it.

  • daverock
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    Missing the box.

    I missed out on FW69 box which led to much wailing and gnashing of teeth. But over the last few years, three of those years have come out on vinyl, and hopefully the fourth will be following on in the near future. So I'm not so bothered about missing out on the cd box now.
    Maybe all the shows from the E72 tour will be released on vinyl, too, over the next few years. Not much use if you don't buy records...but a good incentive to (re) start if you didn't get the trunk.

  • Crow Told Me
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    It Costs a Lot to Play, Even More to Lose

    If I were betting man I’d be willing to wager that the Lyceum vinyl set sells out, eventually, and as soon as it does, it’ll sell for at least $1,000 on the “secondary market.” Because that’s what happens with more or less every limited edition release. Want to buy any of the early Dave’s Picks you missed out on? Some of those go for about $400 now.

    So, if I was smart, I’d probably buy two copies of the Lyceum set, sell one of ‘em, and keep one copy to have and to hold, basically for free. But this will not be happening, for two reasons: 1) I don’t have $1,100 to invest in anything right now, and 2) I would find a way to fuck this up somehow. (Once, I decided it would be a brilliant idea to spend my student loan money on a large quantity of weed, and then sell enough of it to make my money back, so that I could have a somewhat smaller but still fairly large amount of weed to smoke, for “free.” Six weeks later, I had neither money nor weed, and I’m still not entirely sure what happened. But I can guess.)

    I really wish I’d bought the Europe box, now, too. But I think it was about $450 when it came out, which seemed like a lot of money, then. Nowadays, individual volumes from that set usually sell for $100-200 each. Or more. Topchinacat, if you want to buy the whole set, you can usually find one at discogs.com ... if you’re willing to pay $1500-2000.

    It’s kind of weird there’s never been a Greek box, isn’t it? Wonder why. Maybe because a lot of those shows were broadcast on KPFA and there’s a lot of boots out there? Maybe the available source recordings weren’t well preserved? Maybe because it’s too obvious, and TPTB would rather surprise us with something we would never have guessed? All of the above? None?

    Someday, everything's gonna be different, when I paint my masterpiece.

  • Colin Gould
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    Arrived at last

    My copy of DaP #42 has arrived today. It will have to wait to be played as I’m expecting to be out all of tomorrow and I had deliveries of around 24 cds of varying genres so I’ll have to work my way through them.
    I’ll change my header photo as soon as I have time which will probably be Thursday so the weather underground will have to remain for a little while longer

  • proudfoot
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    box envy

    yeah...I have that regarding Fillmore West and Winterland 73 (and isn't there a Winterland June 77 box?)

    thanks a lot, "thinking I was being responsible with my money at the time."

    I do have unofficial copies of many or all of these shows, but I kinda wish at times I had the official material.

    I will NOT pass up a primal box or a Greek box. "Best of GD88 first sets box" I can live without.

  • nitecat
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    I have box envy too. I was unaware of the FW box. I got back on board when Spring 90 TOO was coming out and I listened to the pristine 24 track recordings on the listening party. Brought me right back in. Started collecting boxes right away. Picked up the Trunk and several other boxes I missed on ebay. Filled in my Dick's collection. I'm hooked now. Never sprung for the FW box, though. Now it's so pricy. I guess I'll wait until I feel flush again.

  • hendrixfreak
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    It's only Tuesday, but...

    I'm unanimous in awarding JimInMD the line of the week: "I have hatchet guilt." Actually made me laugh out loud. Thanks!

    I have box set envy: I missed buying FW69 and Winterland Nov 73. It's all psychological. At the precise times those sets came out I felt I could not justify another $100 GD box. Imagine the shortsightedness. Revel in the stupidity. Feel the frustration: Aaaarrrrgggghhhhh!!!!! (Friends have shared the music, so I'll be okay...)

    This is only somewhat mitigated by the fact that I chipped in for a friend's copy of the trunk and 30 Trips, only to encourage their procurement and enjoyment. So there's that.

    Back to business: Dave's cryptic remarks never reveal anything. It's like the Federal Reserve chairman or Kremlin-watching. It's all about the freakin' tea leaves. At least I think we know now that Dave's earlier reference to "variety" meant vinyl. Henceforth if he uses the word "primal" I'm camping by the laptop...

  • topchinacat
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    I too really love the artwork (Kwakiutl?) for the PNW box ... but it's more about the music than the art (no offense intended). And speaking of boxes, I wish to hell I'd picked up the E72 trunk .... I've got all the Dick's, but somehow, I checked out for a couple of years and only have most (not all) of the Dave's and Road Trips. I think that since I have had pretty decent boards on cassette for about a dozen of the E72 shows( and considering the cost), I didn't bite. Not too smart. Anyone have ideas on how to get a Trunk at this juncture? I am quite certain that Mrs. Cat would not appreciate the expenditure any more today than in the past, but this is a bridge that would be crossed at that time.....

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    nyuk nyuk

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One more Saturday night at Winterland! Yes, we're back to home base for DAVE'S PICKS VOLUME 42, the complete show from Winterland, San Francisco, 2/23/74. The one that featured the earliest amalgamation of what would soon become the Wall of Sound, the one that is so "loud, clear, and defined," it's been ripe for release for quite some time and we're glad it's finally getting its due.

First set or second, there are no wrong answers here. From the unique show opener of Chuck Berry's "Around And Around" and an incredible "Here Comes Sunshine" that would then disappear for 18 years, to a medley of WAKE OF THE FLOOD tracks - "Row Jimmy," "Weather Report Suite," and "Stella Blue" - cementing their status in the canon and an unstoppable hour through the classic 1973-1974 Dead that is “He’s Gone”>“Truckin’”>“Drums”>“The Other One”>“Eyes Of The World,” it's all exceptionally hot.

Limited to 25,000 numbered copies, DAVE’S PICKS VOLUME 42: WINTERLAND, SAN FRANCISCO, 2/23/74 was recorded by Kidd Candelario and has been mastered to HDCD specs by Jeffrey Norman at Mockingbird Mastering. Grab a copy while you can.

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for Oro. Maybe already mentioned under the solo smooth background category.
George Winston - my personal favorite is his Linus & Lucy, The Music of Vince Guaraldi (a S.F. guy) who we all probably know subconsciously as he wrote Charlie Brown TV specials music.
- also his Forest release.
- any duet with Gary Burton (vibes) and Chick Corea.
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I have been listening to this podcast from it's first season. Currently it is covering the Europe 72 tour, show by show, venue by venue, days off adventures, with marvelous interviews with those of the 42 person entourage who were literally 'on the bus'. Wonderful stories abound, including great backstories of the new songs that made it to the official Europe 72 LP. Today I heard a great breakdown of all the characters referred to in Ramble on Rose, and the history of Morning Dew.

This podcast is making me consider going through the trunk again, this time just enjoying all the long jams.

PS Really enjoy all the discussion of Jazz masters. McCoy Tyner is one of my faves-seen him several times at Yoshies in Oakland. He used to play two week stands there right around my birthday. I would have a small birthday gathering of friends there, eating sushi, then we'd all go see the show. One time my friend passed him a note, and McCoy announced my name and it was my birthday! Sweet memories!

Someone on this forum mentioned Charles Mingus at Carnegie Hall a few months ago. I picked it up, nice mellow jazz, with a great pianist, Don Pullen. I really enjoy this and now I'm considering some of the other recommendations from you jazzy folk! Thanks for the great conversation.

Try The Giovanni Guidi Trio for some fine Italian piano based jazz. The City of Broken Dreams and This is the Day are well worth listening to...enjoying all the jazz talk!

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....be right back. Gotta listen to more of this guy. Has he been mentioned here before? If not, that's a damn shame.
Piano players you say? That Page McConnell guy from that band from Vermont is pretty good. ✌️

It occurred to me last night just how many new songs they played on this tour - and how few off "American Beauty", which was their last studio album at the time. Strange in a way, considering how good it is. Only "Truckin" and "Sugar Magnolia" were regulars-with just the one performance of "Brokedown Palace" as an encore for one show ( I think). Just goes to show how prolific they were at that time, I guess.

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Hey VGUY72. I heard them on JamOn on Sirius and downloaded a couple of shows off Nugs. They are an awesome band. Jam band for sure. My favorite so far is 4-9-21. Take a listen. I've wanted to see them but I really curtailed my concert going since covid.

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Goose was just brought to my attention 2 days ago, although I haven’t actually listened yet. Was going to check for video on utoob.

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Another band you guys need to check out is Umphrey's Mcgee. They are a little heavier than Goose but in my opinion the best band there is today. I've seen them about 25 times before covid, mostly on the rail, and for sure the best times I've had since seeing the Dead in the late 70's early 80's. You really need to check them out live to get the full effect but download a show or two. 10-20-17 from the Capitol in Port Chester is one I would recommend. I saw a private show in Garcia's bar next door right before this show. They played right under a picture of Jerry. A great night!!!

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11 28 80 and 11 30 80 have been released. Would 11 29 80 be released? Too close to the others? Not in the vault? No decent-enough copy?

Dave....let me take you out for a drink or 40 so I can take advantage of you....r knowledge of what's in the vault.

I'm sure Marye has a Deadphone connection straight to Dave; please tell him about my offer, Marye.

TIME IS EVAPORATING HERE, PEOPLE. LET'S GO!!!!

So we're maybe 17, possibly 18, and we head into NYC to catch The Thad Jones-Mel Lewis Big Band at the Vanguard, which is barely big enough for the band and triangle-shaped room of the classic tiny bar tables. T-shirts, jeans, long hair, natch. Maybe three or four of us. My buddy's dad had drummed for the Newark-based Savoy label and turned us on to real music beyond rock 'n roll. So we were on a mission.

We catch the first set and blow our money on several drinks apiece. Second set starts, waiter stops by, 'What'll you have?' 'Oh, nothing, we're good.' (We're now broke except train fare home.) 'I'm sorry boys, there's a one-drink minimum required.' 'We bought several in the first set, doesn't that count?' 'No. No it doesn't.' Maitre de comes over. 'Gentlemen, you'll have to buy a drink or leave.' A light goes on in my head.

'May we have a word in the kitchen?' I say... 'Sure,' says the maitre de, uncertain of my motives. So we go into the tiny kitchen, a cook is looking on, and I said, 'We'd like to stay for the second set, would this help?' And I pull out a fat bindle of blow and dump some on the steel steam table. (The maitre de's eyes are getting wider...) Then I pull out a bag of killer Columbian and place a few buds on the table. The maitre de smiles. 'Feel free to order whatever you like, it's on the house,' my new best friend says. Ah, New York City in 1975! Where there's a will there's a way... even for veritable kids on the loose.

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Hot Damn!

You people.

The outpouring of feedback and offerings of various artists in the pie-aner jazz genre is outstanding!
I have two pages of notes I've taken down to document the various artists/groups/albums to sift through. I've already been jumping in. Downright amazing.

We've said it before - I'll shout it once more - nothing tops this group in terms of on-the-spot musical offerings.
The swath of knowledge touches all corners and shades and it is so incredibly appreciated.

Enlightened,
Sixtus

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Heard through the grapevine that during Deadco webcast the President of rhino said new box will be a multi year box and announced in mid July. Also meet up at movies returning. I’m guessing Foxboro 87, 89 & 90. Any thoughts?

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Mid-July. Hmm... right before we realize how much we spent on the end of July deliveries and before we have them in hand so we'll be jonesing. Brilliant! As to a multi year guess, uh OK, I truly have no clue. But does multi year imply one venue as we have seen before?
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Trying not to get carried away, catching up. HF: fine stories from back in the day. In central Maine through mid 70s, our code name was CKR, for Columbian Killer Reefer, a huge step up from Mexican weed and standard grade Columbo. My how things have changed, local farmers gearing up, October 1st, retail sales begin in Vermont. Maine is way ahead of any other NE state in terms of retail, quality and value.

Forgot to mention Roosevelt Sykes for blues/barrelhouse piano. Saw Gary Burton and band play at a college chapel around 1971, outstanding. My second fave vibe after Hutcherson.

JJ Cale, indeed. A while back here, tagged a nicely done cover of Cale's "Same Old Blues Again" by the Terrapin Family Band with Neal Casal on location at TS, with that sweet Tulsa chug. Video can be found on the tube. Story goes, Cale was "discovered" after Clapton picked off "After Midnight" some fifty years ago. JJ's original remains the best, imho. He released several albums in the 70s that are well worth checking out.

Yes, yes, yes, yes, the 60s box must be about to be announced, fingers crossed there's several versions of Viola Lee Blues therein.

Ha.. too funny. I'll have to try that the next time I'm in NYC.

Word on the street is Sixtus is selling off his GD Box sets so he can pay for all the Blue Note box sets he just ordered. P.S. goes without saying, but don't breath a word of this to Mrs. Sixtus.

One of the next two Dave's Picks has got to be from 68 or 69. Just sayin'. Dave, hockey season is over, get cracking..

I also have it on good authority that a flock of Russian man-eating starlings has escaped, they are heading South and are expected to make it as far as Vancouver by the weekend. Much like fish are attracted to flash lures, these mutant starlings are attracted to jittery, tall, distracted people with a remote controls. I suggest filming the next reveal before the weekend.

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then my wallet will stay in my pocket

Unless it's Eugene...

Just sayin
No hate

Just that I personally have very little ongoing active interest in that era of GD

I have tried.

Mid July, huh?

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Cal Expo '89 - '90: The Complete Recordings

August 4-6, 1989
June 8-10, 1990

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I don't think the MUATM will be foxboro 89, they used that show already for a MUATM. And a great show by the way.

Alright, multi year box, cue Alpine Valley 87-89

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Chances are (nice song) if it is multi year, it’s going to cover different eras. That way they can have a mix of reels and cassettes/dats etc. I’m not sure they’d go full cassette/dat for a box yet as they still have many reels and then there’s the whole ABCD situation?
But if I’m correct about the above, there are just too many venues etc to try and guess, though my Great Dane Bix would fit the bill!
2/15/73
10/25/73
2/4/79
12/3/81
6/24/83

All good shows, just depends on tapes?

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Maybe the Lyceum vinyl box, momentous as it is, has cast a bit of a shadow over the next one of the year. For better or worse. Whatever is released next has that as company - and it may influence which year(s)are chosen. Or it may not.

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So I just dug through YouTube and Mark Pinkus guests on the Live Set II Preview from Wrigley Field 6/25/2022. Box will be announced mid-July and will be a multi year box. Same info I caught.

MUAM is a show they previously didn’t know existed.

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I'm so happy to hear that news is imminent on the box set front(and Dave's 43 also!!) Getting ready for fantastic discussions to come.

This is only relevant to anyone who had to wait a long time to receive a package(surely that's NEVER happened to anyone here) :)

Had a package shipped from TN, which is only 3 states away. It has travelled thus far, with 22 scans:

SE Tenn->NE Tenn->Central MD(where I live)->NE NJ->Wash D.C.->......

All of this has already taken the better part of 2 weeks. WHY??????

It's a good thing that Music is the Best!! Patience and understanding is the hardest part.

so far have tried first two discs of 3/20/92

meh

literally dozed off during Dark Star

92 aint their best year, true...

A while later...

I turned off 3/20/92 during Standing OTM. I guess you had to be there.

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7/29/88 is on Dave’s “list” of possibles that he’s been hitting hard and steady since he become the guy.
The China-Fingers-Rider is cool, but I think I recall the transitions weren’t spectacular, BUT, BUT, that PITB was pretty effin cool, sort old school psychedelic!

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Want 68, 69,70. Probably get 89, 90 ,91

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I don't text. What is MUATM or MUAM?
"previously didn't know existed" is intriguing.
The complete Cal Expo '89-'90 sounds good Nolan.
Can I afford 18 discs? No but WTF ( I know that one).
Cheers

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Meet up at the movies

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yes
on disc three
3/20/92 is all a distant memory now...there, there Proudfoot...

movie/film only recently discovered?

something from the 60s...please...or 11/8/70

I'll put $5 on it being 5/24/70

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MUAM = Meet Up At Movies
MAMU= Me And My Uncle
MUATM=Meet Up At The Movies
BIODTL=Beat It On Down The Line

I’m assuming Mark Pinkus meant a show they didn’t realize they had on video.

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meet up with me and my uncle at the movies

Listening to 11/2/85
Some 85 (Summer 85 box!!!)
I loves me some GD85

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11/24/78
Box Set '22, 5 shows from the Spectrum, Philadelphia, Pa.

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Warfield October 1980.

The video was mixed in with audio reels of the Fall 80 tour that they thought had been recorded over but actually weren’t.

Don’t get too excited, I made that up.

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Excellent video on Paul Motian in NYC, at the end of his career, with undertone of valiant struggle with cancer that would take him out. One of the great contemporary jazz drummers, unique in many ways. Insights into a performing artist, great clips with brief appearances by Chick Corea, Bill Frisell and many others, locations include Village Vanguard and Birdland. It can be streamed by some services. Opening the door for further explorations with favorite jazz drummers, such as Jack DeJohnette, Antonio Sanchez, Bill Bruford, Brian Blade, Jeff Watts

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Hmm. Maybe youz prankin'.

Upon further research, Wissinoming appears to be part of greater Philadelphia.

11 24 78...that would be cool.

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Shakedown goat?
(watch, this will bring HF outta the woodwork ; )

....there is a very good copy of video from a tasty portion of this show on yootooob; it's black and white if I recall (Nay! it's in color, I just checked) but crispy picture and sound. Pretty sure it includes the entire second set and the heavy Estimated > Shakedown from this show, which was a highlight for me despite Jer having a bit of laryngitis.

I will check out the aforementioned Bakedown GOAT from today in '85.

Be Well People.
Sixtus

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Saw a photo posted of the Cup in it's shipping case at the wrong house.
Hmm.. That Mike and Oro in a brilliant plan to seize it?
Mike finished the engraving then surreptitiously FedEx to Oro's.
But seriously, why would it go to the house next door to one of the player's house
and not straight to safekeeping for the parade today?
Helluva punch bowl for the party though.
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