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    One more Saturday night at Winterland! Yes, we're back to home base for DAVE'S PICKS VOLUME 42, the complete show from Winterland, San Francisco, 2/23/74. The one that featured the earliest amalgamation of what would soon become the Wall of Sound, the one that is so "loud, clear, and defined," it's been ripe for release for quite some time and we're glad it's finally getting its due.

    First set or second, there are no wrong answers here. From the unique show opener of Chuck Berry's "Around And Around" and an incredible "Here Comes Sunshine" that would then disappear for 18 years, to a medley of WAKE OF THE FLOOD tracks - "Row Jimmy," "Weather Report Suite," and "Stella Blue" - cementing their status in the canon and an unstoppable hour through the classic 1973-1974 Dead that is “He’s Gone”>“Truckin’”>“Drums”>“The Other One”>“Eyes Of The World,” it's all exceptionally hot.

    Limited to 25,000 numbered copies, DAVE’S PICKS VOLUME 42: WINTERLAND, SAN FRANCISCO, 2/23/74 was recorded by Kidd Candelario and has been mastered to HDCD specs by Jeffrey Norman at Mockingbird Mastering. Grab a copy while you can.

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    High energy, bitches

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    ....I really don't know where to start regarding the lore, but it gets deep. But, I do know where to start regarding getting into them. A Live One or New Years '95. Check em out. I'll refund your time somehow if you don't get IT. And we all know what IT is.
    King Gizzard are pretty cool. They can't be pigeonholed into a certain category, and I can appreciate that. So many awesome sounds. Reminds me a little of The Flaming Lips. A little.

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    Zappa?

    Start with "we're only in it for the money"

    I like a lot of his stuff, but therez plenty of meh, in my opinionionionionionion

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    I totally agree with you on Phish. Don’t know where to start on their library, and I haven’t been able to connect with much I listened to. Zappa, I have just never much cared for, but I respect folks like his body of work.
    PS - Grant Green was a fine guitarist, and a big influence on Walter Becker - the similarity in their tone and touch is incredible!

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    That video with Trey and the little girl.

    You know, we humans might be capable of every sort of atrocity, and we might leave the Earth to a smoking cinder by the time we extinct ourselves (along with half the life on our planet), but we had our moments, didn't we? There were times when we came together to sing songs and dance and love each other and created beauty just for joy of it. Maybe that's enough? Maybe it doesn't matter (anyway).

    That video made my day. Almost makes me want to check out Phish, which, sad to say, I've never really done.

    Ever been kind of afraid to dive into a band or a musician, because you know that have such a deep catalogue and so many obsessive fans and so much lore? I know people who feel like that about the Dead. I kinda feel that way about Zappa: know lots of good people who love him, obsess over him, have to have every scrap of music they can get. And it kinda scares me off. Like, where would I begin? Where would it end?

    Glad to see King Gizz get some love. Those guys are just ridiculously prolific, and they love to confound all notions of musical genre, so they're had to pin down, but when they're in garage psych mode (as they usually are live) I really like them. Check out I'm in Your Mind Fuzz or maybe Polygondawandaland if you're curious. Or better yet Live in San Francisco.

    Last five:

    GOGD: DiP 31
    Miles Davis: Filles de Kilimanjaro
    Charles Mingus: Mingus Dynasty
    Ty Segall: Freedom's Goblin
    Grant Green: Grant's First Stand

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    birthday anniversary yesterday. Sure wish him and Jerry were still around.

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    MIKE: just some self deprecating humor there, the best kind!
    Funny I don’t recall 2001 so much, but have cool memories of 1996. Had just move here that winter and we’re watching up in the hills at one of my cousins west of Boulder so we had to go back down and through Boulder on our way home at the time east of town. Even at that late hour there were nuts partying in the streets, people were driving around hoking horns in the middle of the night, it’s was wild and such a good feeling to finally be a “winner” after all the frustrating Buffalo years. If they can pull it off Friday, gonna be a big pa-teh in the city fo sho! Not so sure about the state, these folks aren’t quite the Hockey fans we are. Now I don’t get out much but I haven’t seen or heard anyone out here in the boonies talking about it which is sad.
    But hey, don’t cha know I’ll be ready!

    ISTSHOW: I read about that show, the bad ole daze of Colorado concerts. Heard/read about the crazy Folsom field shows BITD too. Must of been a gas! My first stadium show was quite the eye opener for a 15 year old: Bob Welch, Pablo Cruise, Foreigner, and Fleetwood Mac at the Ralph.I can still picture Stevie and Lindsey Glaring at each other as they sang and LB breaking strings he was playing so hard during Go Your Own Way, like they fully meant it lol. Great R&R!
    My Biggest crowd/Concert was Woodstock 94, surreal how many people were there!

    DAVEROCK: generally two kinds of loud: dbs, and ear damage due to sustained distortion and/or shitty sound.
    You can cause hearing damage often accompanied by ringing/not being able to hear temporarily at low DB if the sound is distorted. Sustained exposure to things like power tools etc can cause permanent hearing damage much more easily than just loud dbs if the sound is clean. This is science not opinion. Plenty of Dan Healy on this out there.
    I owned some of the same equipment and worked for a band that had a smaller version of the wall, so can attest that though the music is often not too loud (you can talk to your buddy etc) normally, but during peaks in the music things can get very loud, and because it’s so clean you don’t realize it like Simon said. I’ve had stereos like that too.
    But as good as the wall was, I’ve read every member of the team has stated over the years that the Meyers PA that they used in the late 80s etc could get way louder and was cleaner than the wall due to technological advances, including scale as it was now more practical to have increased and improved amps, speakers etc than the wall, and that it could sound better! Yes the wall was awesome, but it’s more about the historic significance about the innovation of what and when they created all this new tech, and the myth that has been built around it. I’ve experienced the Meyers PA hundreds of times where it WAS so loud but clean that you couldn’t easily hear your buddy, but didn’t realize it until you tried! Of course this can present a different and perhaps more dangerous hearing situation as you could actually do permanent damage and not even know it until it’s too late! The Meyers system had that potential but luckily Healy and co knew better.

    Most of the “rock” bands I saw had horrible sound because it was too distorted AND too damn loud. Saw The Who the day after those poor folks died in Cincinnati in December 79 and they had what I believe, but didn’t know of at the time, was a Meyers PA, but it was being used improperly and was ridiculously loud and shrill (all high end etc).
    It literally made the concert hard to enjoy!
    Yes, yet another one of the many unknown but awesome things the Dead did: basically invent good concert sound reinforcement that has changed the entire industry!

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    Integral to the transition from pop from the Brill building to soul and rock & roll of the 60s. Still some of my favorite hits. Stevie Wonder a great example of that transitional period.
    The Way You Do The Things You Do and How Sweet It Is - JGB staples.
    Remembering my older sister and friends perfecting their dance moves to Motown on the big mono system Dad built. The Alligator dance craze where one dives head first to the floor in a push-up move. Quite athletic and the girls made the floor shake doing that one.
    Glad you're digging it DR!
    Cheers

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    Sounds as though it was superb, and very conducive to the music being played. Provided not too many people took the option of talking to their mates, of course. As you probably know, with Sabbath, Purple and their ilk, not only couldn't you hear your mates in the hall-you couldn't hear them on the bus on the way home either.

    As side trip, I am getting a bit lost in the world of 1960s Motown at the moment, which I have never listened to before. I bought the Complete Singles 1967 box a while back, to go with the "Detroit 67 The Year That Changed Soul" book by Stuart Cosgrove that I was reading. So good, I decided to get the 1965 box. Then the 1963 one. And now the much coveted 1966 box arrived this morning. Great, great singles. Once I get the 1964 one-and maybe the 1968 one - I will call it quits.

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    My first big outdoor show. Sun Day #1 on 6-23-74 with ABB, Marshall Tucker, Steve Miler, Elvin Bishop, and Wet Willie at Mile High Stadium. And the ABB set had a Whipping Post!
    All in their prime, albeit lacking Duane. May still stand as the biggest crowd at a show I attended. Second largest was likely the Hard Rain tour at Ft. Collins Hughes Stadium the next summer. Dylan and The Beach Boys. Weird bill but a fantastic show. I don't even come close to some of you guys! Like Monterey Pop, Englishtown, etc. but a good time was had by all despite the warm beer.
    Cheers

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One more Saturday night at Winterland! Yes, we're back to home base for DAVE'S PICKS VOLUME 42, the complete show from Winterland, San Francisco, 2/23/74. The one that featured the earliest amalgamation of what would soon become the Wall of Sound, the one that is so "loud, clear, and defined," it's been ripe for release for quite some time and we're glad it's finally getting its due.

First set or second, there are no wrong answers here. From the unique show opener of Chuck Berry's "Around And Around" and an incredible "Here Comes Sunshine" that would then disappear for 18 years, to a medley of WAKE OF THE FLOOD tracks - "Row Jimmy," "Weather Report Suite," and "Stella Blue" - cementing their status in the canon and an unstoppable hour through the classic 1973-1974 Dead that is “He’s Gone”>“Truckin’”>“Drums”>“The Other One”>“Eyes Of The World,” it's all exceptionally hot.

Limited to 25,000 numbered copies, DAVE’S PICKS VOLUME 42: WINTERLAND, SAN FRANCISCO, 2/23/74 was recorded by Kidd Candelario and has been mastered to HDCD specs by Jeffrey Norman at Mockingbird Mastering. Grab a copy while you can.

But first: I am truly sorry about losing your father, Bolo. :_(((

You mention bears...Cal? UCLA?

Santa Rosa Slewfoot?

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That Shakedown is fantastic. Mid first set no less. The video and sound quality now available for that first set are gorgeous.

wissinomingdeadhead, I'm with you. To borrow a phrase, "What about 12/1/79?"

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....since Bolo brought it up, why is it that I get dreams after waking up to get a glass of water at 3 AM then falling asleep again aka a nap time?
Got up twice this morning. Had vivid dreams after falling asleep again both times. Involved my sister in one and Teddy Roosevelt in another.
The brain is indeed a mystery.
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And just like that, my sister texted me about our dad. We talked about his appreciation of Simon & Garfunkel.
So I found a record. Wednesday Morning, 3 AM.
The fact that I took a little bit of shrooms today just takes that revelation to a whole nother level.
3 AM.
Edit deux.
There is a Peggy-O on this record. I totally forgot and I love surprises!!
What a record!!
The Times They Are A Changing indeed. Stay strong and stay safe peeps.
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was at Winterland, on 10/20/78, it sounded just like it did on the album Shakedown Street. It's a song that really improved with age. My favorite Shakedown Street was 9/12 /81 at the Greek.

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So glad to hear from you Bolo, but sorry for the trials and tribulations. Yes, did try to call Bolo out a month or so back for an update on the 60s box scheduled to announce soon. Great thing about all BOATs and GOATs, all top contenders on any given day, providing ample most welcome distractions while we wait for the announcement of something that will not release until September. Worked last night as perimeter security for a very large fireworks display, annual event that goes on next to a large lake in a valley between small mountains, very much enhanced by echo and reflections. Spectacular stuff stationed at a prime location. Provided non toxic bug spray, ice water on board a utility cart for viewers, there just to make sure people did not get too close to launch site and smoke plumes from big fireworks, other smoke plumes were up to them. This being Vermont, on private property, no issues, though discretion called for an early edible.

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Now THAT is good security.

And Vguy, I do not know the answer to your question, I'm just glad you didn't dream about Teddy Roosevelt being WITH your sister -- that'd be a toughie to puzzle through and possibly try to unsee...

And while everyone is OD'ing on potato salad and fireworks this weekend, I voluntarily undertook to de-fenestrate and clean my home room-by-room. Why? To get my sheet together... THEN I qualify for a summer weekend with edibles and fungus. Oh, and DYLAN next week in Denver. I'll be the guy with the KN95 on...

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FP - your rec had me realize that I am not familiar with Shakedown from the Hornsby era. Need to fix that.

And that somehow got me thinking about the upcoming box set. A new and completely different theory than I've had before. It's the anniversary of Europe '72. Its my understanding that a reliable source said its multi-year. So. Box set is going to be Europe / British Isles shows from all other years. From Chateau d'Herouville in '71 through the Fall '90 Europe Tour. Throw in some '74 Wall of Sound. Some '81 spring/fall Rainbow Theatre, more fall Europa '81. And, of course, the Rockpalast Essen show 3/28. Good video Chateau d'Herouville and Essen, so those will tie ins. Crazy I know.

And how could I forget about the Melkweg shows??!! Spin those out separate too!!

Maybe Bolo was getting chased by mythical Slew Foot. I think that's a clue from dreamworld for a Summer '69 release. And then VGuy with a Theodore Roosevelt dream. Teddy once refused to shoot a bear on a hunt. That's where the "Teddy Bear" comes from. More bears.

My dog was chilling on the couch
Playin' in the Band...we both blissin'
Seastones comes on
She looks around
Gets off couch and heads upstairs
Lol

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My cat didn't like it either.
And she likes most music.
I think it the part that sounds like a wounded whale that drove her off.
No accounting for taste I guess.
For that matter I hit skip on that too most times.
Cheers and happy Independence Day

Bluecrow-I like that idea - quite a span of years. Maybe start with their first one in Europe - the 5/24/70 show at the Newcastle-Under Lyme festival.

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Damn DaveRock - I forgot about that show! Of course that's part of the box!!

I just now gave that show my full attention

Grrrreat show!!!

Morning Dew!!!

The euphoria when Jerry sings La Bamba!!!

Knockin' on Heaven's Door is sooo sweet

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I like it!!! So with that suggestion (guess) here are my 5 favorite EUR shows that aren't from '72, in chrono order:
5/20/70
9/20/74
3/24/81
10/4/81
10/20/90

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Ja gerne

The two 81 tours...
I know 3/28
One or two others from that month
Not a whole lot else

Yes!

5 24 70
9 20 74
6 21 71
The 81 tours

6 21 71 is the newly found video I bet

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If they did go for a Europe Box, featuring shows from 1970, 1971, 1974, 1981 and 1990 - each show would feature a different line up of the band. Jolly interesting.
It might be a saturated market, but it would also be quite nice to see Bickershaw come out on vinyl

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DaveRock - I hadn't even done the "math" on the band line ups. I think the More Europe box is a pretty cool concept - a time arc of 20 years once you add in the Newcastle show that I overlooked. fantasy box sets - there's a lot of good ones out there.

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A Europe box is certainly a possibility, but I would rather that they release an all Bay Area box set. Shows from the Avalon, Fillmore, Winterland,, Carousel Ballroom, Frost, Greek, Warfield, Orpheum Theatre, S.F. Civic., Oakland Auditorium, Shoreline, that would be a killer box set!

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I say it's from one of the OOPS shows at the Melkweg in 1981. According the Deadheads Taping Addendum both of these shows were recorded for Danish TV.

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That is great news about the filming of OOPS

I did not know that

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I'm holding out hope that there might just be something out there that does not widely circulate. Thinking something from ABCD, Mountain Girl or Bear's secret stash.

If you think about it.. they sporadically bubble up from time to time. If you were Dave, and some came floating into the Vancouver sound on a makeshift raft at some point, wouldn't you time their releases just for the sheer shock and fun factor? I'd really like to think there are some surprises out there yet to be enjoyed.

I don't think I was the only one that thoroughly enjoyed my virgin listen to 7/1/78, am I?

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So Jim did you not buy the box set?
Or if you did how did you manage to save that show until now?
Killer short show! Sometimes those time constraints work to advantage.
Funny, that show is exactly what I was reaching for this AM but got waylaid.
Great minds! Hope to get to it this afternoon.
Cheers to the red, white, and blue and to Willie Nelson.

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Pt.1, 10/15/81 is on YouTube.

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I bought that box the day it was announced, I was just reminiscing about the first listen when it arrived on my front porch. I was thoroughly delighted.. I don't believe any of us had listened to it in that pristine state. The sound quality was soooo goood. The same goes for the bonus Morning Dew at the end of the Swing '77 Dave's Picks from Santa Barbara. That one caught my attention, what a powerful opening to a great song.

I'm just thinking out loud that we might be due for a surprise, assuming there's still some mystery in the vault. Of course I could be wildly mistaken, there hasn't really been anything new in some time.

And we are really due for some 1960's GD, which I know they have in the vault. Makes me think of that Pigpen line.. get your hands out of your pockets, Dave.., quit playing pocket pool and give us some Good Ole 1960's Grateful Dead.

BTK: EXACTLY what I have been hoping for the 60s box, multiple shows from some of those Bay area venues, with whatever they can put together for photos, backstories. Clearly, there's enough to work with, warts and all. Understood, many events had multiple bands, just one or two CDs from the Dead's sets times ten for a 15-20 box. Shall we call it the BAB. Oh great rhinoceros, when does the BAB drop? HF: nothing like Altamont, not a public event, not quite invitation only, can't say anything more. For those in NNE this week, Tedeschi Trucks with Los Lobos this Saturday, July 9 outdoors at Champlain Valley Expo.

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I tell ya, that Bay Area Box. would be a killer!, 1966 - 1995, I m really happy ya got to see Otis Spann, I've seen a lot of great blues players, but not Otis Spann. Back to the bbq, I'll play Best of Muddy Waters, with Spann, Little Walter, the greatest blues band ever.

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Crikey-there's a thought. I seem to have lost a decade somewhere along the line.
That 7/1/78 show still sounds great-especially the first set and the post drums section.

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This is off the rails a bit, but I was watching the Criterion Collection DVD of "Gimme Shelter", and I never knew that the New Riders had played this event. Since this was 12/1969, it was prior to their first studio album. Brief footage of Spencer Dryden on drums while Marmaduke performing "6 Days on the Road". They played before Jefferson Airplane started getting pummeled by the Angels. I highly recommend the OSF NRPS 5-disc set if anyone is interested in the genesis of the Riders. Plus a few great tunes with Bobby singing lead, and Jerry explaining how to play the pedal steel. Priceless stuff.

Use the newly discovered June '68 tapes from the Owsley stash as the centerpiece of a small box of '68 tapes, including the loose ends. While tapes do surface occasionally, I don't see more '68 tapes being discovered, unless there's more in Owsley's unmarked boxes. When Mtn Girl turned over a batch of tapes, Dave L immediately (well, within a year) put out an especially rare single disc that included a Pigpen solo set. So there's precedent for Dave rocking the boat.

And if you like Gram Parsons and the Flying Burritos, there's an out-of-print two-disc release of them live in -- I think -- '68. Recorded by ... Owsley.

Really?......good to know. Thanks for the info. I just assumed it was NRPS due to the song and drummer. Movie never showed who was singing. I must have been smelling too many turbine fumes on the Ohio River during the 2022 Madison Regatta. If anyone wants to see a hydroplane doing a 540 degree flip at 200 mph, check out utoob for the final heat at this years race.

Is the one you speak of with the Pig solo set the one which the show was advertised as "Bobby Ace and the Cards From the Bottom of the Deck & Mickey and the Heartbeats"? I have a 2-LP copy of that with the 4th side solo Pig on guitar.

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HF, funny Gram Parsons should come up. I'm reading an excellent and thorough biography of Gram called "20,000 Roads". As the bio describes his different studio work, I've been listening to each one. After the Burritos, he made two albums for Warner called " GP" and "Desolate Angel" Both are great and feature Emmy Lou Harris singing duets with Gram. Gram hired Elvis's band including James Burton for his back up band for both Warner LP's. Highly recommended.

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Did you know the first use of UPC code use was on...6 26 74?

Zoinks!

I know the name gram parsons and that he died young
But thats about it

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It's on the way ,The Avalon, Fillmore, Carousel Ballroom , Fillmore West, Winterland,, Greek , Frost, Shoreline,,Warfield Theatre, Orpheum Theatre, Oakland Auditorium, this box set is gonna be a killer. The Bay Area, where it all started!

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....and youtooob this land is your land los lobos with Jerry Garcia & Bob Weir. Copy and paste what I just typed.
Go! Now!

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Not only great in his own right, but also a major influence on The Stones ( among others) during their creative peak-1968-1972. He features as a member of The Stones touring party in Stanley Booth's excellent "True Adventures of The Rolling Stones"-possibly the best book I have ever read on The Stones, and he was photographed at Nellcote during the recording of Exile. I don't think he appears physically on any of The Stones albums from this period, but his spiritual presence is palpable.

The first few Emmylou Harris albums blend nicely with those solo Gram parsons albums, too.

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Rest in Peace and via con dios Sonny. We shared a birthday. I don't know any Hell's Angels anymore, but back in the 70's and early 80's I did, and they were one of the most colorful and courteous people we knew. Scarry, Big and looked a bit like Pig. When he wore his colors, we could not be touched. The Angels got a bad rep and it stayed with them. I think the movie "Gimme Shelter" had a lot to do with that. Jerry once said that Grateful Dead music was for everyone, perceived good or evil. yin and yang. 83 and lost his battle with cancer. Anybody out there got any Hell's Angels stories they would like to share?

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I'd bump into the English variety ( stop laughing at the back) during the 70's from time to time. They didn't seem very threatening to me, I have to say. Not really what you might call match fit. If any of them had picked on me, I always felt that I would have been able to run away from them easily, and they would never have been able to catch me.

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Colo. initiative 58 this fall if the signatures pass the test. Decriminalize possession only I think. Might include spiritual clinics where one (21 and over) could improve their mental wellbeing? Still no sales though at this time. I think Denver decriminalized in 2019.
Never thought I'd live to see the day.
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Edit: Thx for the tip on the This Land is Your Land!
Had to follow up with Vince Jerry and Bob doing the national anthem. Priceless!

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I don't have a personal story to tell, but for anyone who is interested, Google "Hell's Angels visit Apple Records".
It's quite comical, and they did not behave so well. I'm pretty sure this is Christmas of '69 or thereabouts.
I also have it on good advice from a friend in retail that she had regular "Biker Clubs" visit her store, and she states that they were some of the MOST polite customers she ever had. If one stepped out of line, the leader would inevitably make that person apologize. How about that??

I have no thoughts on the upcoming box announcement, but I would certainly love anything prior to 1971.
If it's later than that, it's just not worth the inevitable "discussion" with my wife about why I have no self control when it comes to music.

I've been listening to 2-3 albums per artist lately, so my last 5 would be:

Gomez
REM
Terry Riley
Pharoah Sanders
Joe Jackson

Music is the Best!!

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Emmy said she learned a lot from harmonizing with Gram, and how to sing without over emotionalizing, so that could influence her first albums after he passed. Also, she hired the same band that Gram used for both his two solo albums, so there could be some similarity and familiarity there.

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a long time ago I met a guy via a dude. The guy (a biker) said his name was "Animal". He showed me the "1% handshake". He said, "It could save your life someday".

I have never forgotten that little tip. I still haven't had to use it, but I keep it in a remote part of my brain, just in case.

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