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    One more Saturday night at Winterland! Yes, we're back to home base for DAVE'S PICKS VOLUME 42, the complete show from Winterland, San Francisco, 2/23/74. The one that featured the earliest amalgamation of what would soon become the Wall of Sound, the one that is so "loud, clear, and defined," it's been ripe for release for quite some time and we're glad it's finally getting its due.

    First set or second, there are no wrong answers here. From the unique show opener of Chuck Berry's "Around And Around" and an incredible "Here Comes Sunshine" that would then disappear for 18 years, to a medley of WAKE OF THE FLOOD tracks - "Row Jimmy," "Weather Report Suite," and "Stella Blue" - cementing their status in the canon and an unstoppable hour through the classic 1973-1974 Dead that is “He’s Gone”>“Truckin’”>“Drums”>“The Other One”>“Eyes Of The World,” it's all exceptionally hot.

    Limited to 25,000 numbered copies, DAVE’S PICKS VOLUME 42: WINTERLAND, SAN FRANCISCO, 2/23/74 was recorded by Kidd Candelario and has been mastered to HDCD specs by Jeffrey Norman at Mockingbird Mastering. Grab a copy while you can.

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    Oro, you wrote "they’d hunt Dave down like a dog, tie him up, spread peanut butter all over him, and put him out to sea as live bait!"

    I don't even know what kind of counselor you need. Animal cruelty? Food fetishes? Latent fishing needs? Detox? Retox? Or a new TV show: "Shark Week: The Peanut Butter Incident."

    Or ... a box announcement. Gawd, I'm obviously stuck on Dave's casual remark that "a fall '72 box has to happen." Made years ago... But I'll take the "primal box" and go away quietly to my corner. Anyday.

    I'll second your emotion on '77 and extend that to '78. Which might get us to '79, a relatively untouched year. And that leads me to bang the gong again on 8-12-79 at the Rocks. (Still working out the aftermath of that Purple Dragon...)

    If TPTB look to these threads to see what "we" want, they need counseling, too.

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    Double dippin’

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    Whoa, scary place in there lol. ; )
    Well HF, you certainly are tenacious if nothing else lol.
    You would think fall 72 would be the last thing they’d go with, which is exactly why it wouldn’t surprise me!
    But yes, someday you’d think they’d do something from then?

    I don’t think we’re getting an 80s dat box yet as they still have plenty of ABCD Beatty’s etc that need return on the investment. I think/hope we might get something for DaP, but not a box, unless there’s other quality tapes we don’t know about ala Giants? Plus you old “sweet spot” bastards would either suffer widespread strokes, causing a massive class action suit, or they’d hunt Dave down like a dog, tie him up, spread peanut butter all over him, and put him out to sea as live bait! As much as I personally would love an 80s box: Summer 85, 81, 82 for example, I don’t see that happening soon?

    Spring 78 has a big batch of good shows complete in the vault that would make a good medium size box. Think a big one would be too repetitive?

    Still have a whole bunch of 73, including some real high profile summer shows. You’d think they’d unleash that next year, but they seem to purposely avoid anniversaries. This year seems due, but perhaps since it took so long for PNW to sell out (which still puzzles me?) who knows? Maybe next year they’ll give us a Dave’s, and a stand alone ala Dozin, Nightfall, or Rockin’ the Rhine? They used to do more of those, wonder why not anymore?

    Still a bunch of 89 multitracks including some stellar fall shows!!

    If they were going to new territory, fall 91 is perhaps the one consistently good tour left. But I don’t think we’re there yet?

    Still some summer 76 territory but for various reasons you wouldn’t think he’d go back there just yet?

    Could still cobble some 77, and I could list specifics, but don’t want to influence anyone as personally, I’ve had enough 77 at least until we get stuff that we haven’t yet. Sorry, no offense ment to you 77 lovers. It’s just getting to where we have so much from like 4 or 5 years, and little to nothing from others!

    Of course the big psychedelic elephant in the room is a Primal 66-70 box. I think this might have a shot, at least if they listen to us at all? Though there may not be a lot of usable tapes, you’d have to think that with how much they played and how much tape rolled, there has to be enough usable stuff for a taste of 66 and 67, more 68 single disc shows, say a show or 2 from early 69, something from later 69 to show their progression, and something ? from 70?
    I think this is the way to do primal, as quantity, quality, and mucho repetition could make going with just one year for example, difficult?

    I think these are the biggest, most obvious holes, but certainly there are other possibilities depending on format etc.
    in fact I’m sure someone will suggest something else immediately after I post this lol. One thing DHs do not lack is opinions!

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    Naturally, I also cannot recall what else they put out last year, besides Listen and the DaP series. At least we know that they've been busy this year with the E72 anniversary releases. Thus, a box announcement later this summer makes sense.

    The most logical/illogical release possible this year would be fall '72. With last year's box and this year's E72 celebration, they'd be nuts to go with fall '72. And yet, if they're focused on a hot seller, that'd be a sure winner. However, after the Listen box and that double '87 DaP, I predicted this year's box would be '80s DATs. Maybe instead of a location-based focus like St. Louis, they go with another run of shows across a tour, with locations varied.

    Please continue with your regular programming while I squirm and contort (in my mind, peoples, in my mind!) over the mystery box. I used to be the guy counseling patience and here's how that turned out...

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    head over to the Ride Board thread in the forums. Use that search box (probably at the top right) to find the thread.
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    Nick - cheers. It's only a few quid more on Amazon. A remarkable film, too. With the kabuki makeup and totemic presence of Mick Ronson, it put me in mid of David Bowie's performances circa 1972-73 a bit. I don't know what they would have made of it at the Newport Folk Festival. Dylan's performance seems quite shamanic - as reflected in Anne Waldman's poem in the excellent book included with the disc.
    I think it will be a toss up between this cd box and The Complete Motown Singles 1968 for my next purchase.

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    In response to BTK, ANY 1970 release would be welcome, but I'm not sure the June FW run would make a great box set. Yes of course it has it's peaks, but it has some deep valleys as well. That beings said, I would buy it!!

    Just one doc's opinion...........

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    Boy, this would sure make a nice box set.

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    Last year LTTR was announced on 7/21 and released on 10/1/2021.

    We probably have a while.

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One more Saturday night at Winterland! Yes, we're back to home base for DAVE'S PICKS VOLUME 42, the complete show from Winterland, San Francisco, 2/23/74. The one that featured the earliest amalgamation of what would soon become the Wall of Sound, the one that is so "loud, clear, and defined," it's been ripe for release for quite some time and we're glad it's finally getting its due.

First set or second, there are no wrong answers here. From the unique show opener of Chuck Berry's "Around And Around" and an incredible "Here Comes Sunshine" that would then disappear for 18 years, to a medley of WAKE OF THE FLOOD tracks - "Row Jimmy," "Weather Report Suite," and "Stella Blue" - cementing their status in the canon and an unstoppable hour through the classic 1973-1974 Dead that is “He’s Gone”>“Truckin’”>“Drums”>“The Other One”>“Eyes Of The World,” it's all exceptionally hot.

Limited to 25,000 numbered copies, DAVE’S PICKS VOLUME 42: WINTERLAND, SAN FRANCISCO, 2/23/74 was recorded by Kidd Candelario and has been mastered to HDCD specs by Jeffrey Norman at Mockingbird Mastering. Grab a copy while you can.

But first: I am truly sorry about losing your father, Bolo. :_(((

You mention bears...Cal? UCLA?

Santa Rosa Slewfoot?

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That Shakedown is fantastic. Mid first set no less. The video and sound quality now available for that first set are gorgeous.

wissinomingdeadhead, I'm with you. To borrow a phrase, "What about 12/1/79?"

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....since Bolo brought it up, why is it that I get dreams after waking up to get a glass of water at 3 AM then falling asleep again aka a nap time?
Got up twice this morning. Had vivid dreams after falling asleep again both times. Involved my sister in one and Teddy Roosevelt in another.
The brain is indeed a mystery.
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And just like that, my sister texted me about our dad. We talked about his appreciation of Simon & Garfunkel.
So I found a record. Wednesday Morning, 3 AM.
The fact that I took a little bit of shrooms today just takes that revelation to a whole nother level.
3 AM.
Edit deux.
There is a Peggy-O on this record. I totally forgot and I love surprises!!
What a record!!
The Times They Are A Changing indeed. Stay strong and stay safe peeps.
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was at Winterland, on 10/20/78, it sounded just like it did on the album Shakedown Street. It's a song that really improved with age. My favorite Shakedown Street was 9/12 /81 at the Greek.

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So glad to hear from you Bolo, but sorry for the trials and tribulations. Yes, did try to call Bolo out a month or so back for an update on the 60s box scheduled to announce soon. Great thing about all BOATs and GOATs, all top contenders on any given day, providing ample most welcome distractions while we wait for the announcement of something that will not release until September. Worked last night as perimeter security for a very large fireworks display, annual event that goes on next to a large lake in a valley between small mountains, very much enhanced by echo and reflections. Spectacular stuff stationed at a prime location. Provided non toxic bug spray, ice water on board a utility cart for viewers, there just to make sure people did not get too close to launch site and smoke plumes from big fireworks, other smoke plumes were up to them. This being Vermont, on private property, no issues, though discretion called for an early edible.

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Now THAT is good security.

And Vguy, I do not know the answer to your question, I'm just glad you didn't dream about Teddy Roosevelt being WITH your sister -- that'd be a toughie to puzzle through and possibly try to unsee...

And while everyone is OD'ing on potato salad and fireworks this weekend, I voluntarily undertook to de-fenestrate and clean my home room-by-room. Why? To get my sheet together... THEN I qualify for a summer weekend with edibles and fungus. Oh, and DYLAN next week in Denver. I'll be the guy with the KN95 on...

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FP - your rec had me realize that I am not familiar with Shakedown from the Hornsby era. Need to fix that.

And that somehow got me thinking about the upcoming box set. A new and completely different theory than I've had before. It's the anniversary of Europe '72. Its my understanding that a reliable source said its multi-year. So. Box set is going to be Europe / British Isles shows from all other years. From Chateau d'Herouville in '71 through the Fall '90 Europe Tour. Throw in some '74 Wall of Sound. Some '81 spring/fall Rainbow Theatre, more fall Europa '81. And, of course, the Rockpalast Essen show 3/28. Good video Chateau d'Herouville and Essen, so those will tie ins. Crazy I know.

And how could I forget about the Melkweg shows??!! Spin those out separate too!!

Maybe Bolo was getting chased by mythical Slew Foot. I think that's a clue from dreamworld for a Summer '69 release. And then VGuy with a Theodore Roosevelt dream. Teddy once refused to shoot a bear on a hunt. That's where the "Teddy Bear" comes from. More bears.

My dog was chilling on the couch
Playin' in the Band...we both blissin'
Seastones comes on
She looks around
Gets off couch and heads upstairs
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My cat didn't like it either.
And she likes most music.
I think it the part that sounds like a wounded whale that drove her off.
No accounting for taste I guess.
For that matter I hit skip on that too most times.
Cheers and happy Independence Day

Bluecrow-I like that idea - quite a span of years. Maybe start with their first one in Europe - the 5/24/70 show at the Newcastle-Under Lyme festival.

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Damn DaveRock - I forgot about that show! Of course that's part of the box!!

I just now gave that show my full attention

Grrrreat show!!!

Morning Dew!!!

The euphoria when Jerry sings La Bamba!!!

Knockin' on Heaven's Door is sooo sweet

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I like it!!! So with that suggestion (guess) here are my 5 favorite EUR shows that aren't from '72, in chrono order:
5/20/70
9/20/74
3/24/81
10/4/81
10/20/90

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Ja gerne

The two 81 tours...
I know 3/28
One or two others from that month
Not a whole lot else

Yes!

5 24 70
9 20 74
6 21 71
The 81 tours

6 21 71 is the newly found video I bet

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If they did go for a Europe Box, featuring shows from 1970, 1971, 1974, 1981 and 1990 - each show would feature a different line up of the band. Jolly interesting.
It might be a saturated market, but it would also be quite nice to see Bickershaw come out on vinyl

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DaveRock - I hadn't even done the "math" on the band line ups. I think the More Europe box is a pretty cool concept - a time arc of 20 years once you add in the Newcastle show that I overlooked. fantasy box sets - there's a lot of good ones out there.

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A Europe box is certainly a possibility, but I would rather that they release an all Bay Area box set. Shows from the Avalon, Fillmore, Winterland,, Carousel Ballroom, Frost, Greek, Warfield, Orpheum Theatre, S.F. Civic., Oakland Auditorium, Shoreline, that would be a killer box set!

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I say it's from one of the OOPS shows at the Melkweg in 1981. According the Deadheads Taping Addendum both of these shows were recorded for Danish TV.

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That is great news about the filming of OOPS

I did not know that

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I'm holding out hope that there might just be something out there that does not widely circulate. Thinking something from ABCD, Mountain Girl or Bear's secret stash.

If you think about it.. they sporadically bubble up from time to time. If you were Dave, and some came floating into the Vancouver sound on a makeshift raft at some point, wouldn't you time their releases just for the sheer shock and fun factor? I'd really like to think there are some surprises out there yet to be enjoyed.

I don't think I was the only one that thoroughly enjoyed my virgin listen to 7/1/78, am I?

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So Jim did you not buy the box set?
Or if you did how did you manage to save that show until now?
Killer short show! Sometimes those time constraints work to advantage.
Funny, that show is exactly what I was reaching for this AM but got waylaid.
Great minds! Hope to get to it this afternoon.
Cheers to the red, white, and blue and to Willie Nelson.

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Pt.1, 10/15/81 is on YouTube.

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I bought that box the day it was announced, I was just reminiscing about the first listen when it arrived on my front porch. I was thoroughly delighted.. I don't believe any of us had listened to it in that pristine state. The sound quality was soooo goood. The same goes for the bonus Morning Dew at the end of the Swing '77 Dave's Picks from Santa Barbara. That one caught my attention, what a powerful opening to a great song.

I'm just thinking out loud that we might be due for a surprise, assuming there's still some mystery in the vault. Of course I could be wildly mistaken, there hasn't really been anything new in some time.

And we are really due for some 1960's GD, which I know they have in the vault. Makes me think of that Pigpen line.. get your hands out of your pockets, Dave.., quit playing pocket pool and give us some Good Ole 1960's Grateful Dead.

BTK: EXACTLY what I have been hoping for the 60s box, multiple shows from some of those Bay area venues, with whatever they can put together for photos, backstories. Clearly, there's enough to work with, warts and all. Understood, many events had multiple bands, just one or two CDs from the Dead's sets times ten for a 15-20 box. Shall we call it the BAB. Oh great rhinoceros, when does the BAB drop? HF: nothing like Altamont, not a public event, not quite invitation only, can't say anything more. For those in NNE this week, Tedeschi Trucks with Los Lobos this Saturday, July 9 outdoors at Champlain Valley Expo.

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I tell ya, that Bay Area Box. would be a killer!, 1966 - 1995, I m really happy ya got to see Otis Spann, I've seen a lot of great blues players, but not Otis Spann. Back to the bbq, I'll play Best of Muddy Waters, with Spann, Little Walter, the greatest blues band ever.

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Crikey-there's a thought. I seem to have lost a decade somewhere along the line.
That 7/1/78 show still sounds great-especially the first set and the post drums section.

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This is off the rails a bit, but I was watching the Criterion Collection DVD of "Gimme Shelter", and I never knew that the New Riders had played this event. Since this was 12/1969, it was prior to their first studio album. Brief footage of Spencer Dryden on drums while Marmaduke performing "6 Days on the Road". They played before Jefferson Airplane started getting pummeled by the Angels. I highly recommend the OSF NRPS 5-disc set if anyone is interested in the genesis of the Riders. Plus a few great tunes with Bobby singing lead, and Jerry explaining how to play the pedal steel. Priceless stuff.

Use the newly discovered June '68 tapes from the Owsley stash as the centerpiece of a small box of '68 tapes, including the loose ends. While tapes do surface occasionally, I don't see more '68 tapes being discovered, unless there's more in Owsley's unmarked boxes. When Mtn Girl turned over a batch of tapes, Dave L immediately (well, within a year) put out an especially rare single disc that included a Pigpen solo set. So there's precedent for Dave rocking the boat.

And if you like Gram Parsons and the Flying Burritos, there's an out-of-print two-disc release of them live in -- I think -- '68. Recorded by ... Owsley.

Really?......good to know. Thanks for the info. I just assumed it was NRPS due to the song and drummer. Movie never showed who was singing. I must have been smelling too many turbine fumes on the Ohio River during the 2022 Madison Regatta. If anyone wants to see a hydroplane doing a 540 degree flip at 200 mph, check out utoob for the final heat at this years race.

Is the one you speak of with the Pig solo set the one which the show was advertised as "Bobby Ace and the Cards From the Bottom of the Deck & Mickey and the Heartbeats"? I have a 2-LP copy of that with the 4th side solo Pig on guitar.

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HF, funny Gram Parsons should come up. I'm reading an excellent and thorough biography of Gram called "20,000 Roads". As the bio describes his different studio work, I've been listening to each one. After the Burritos, he made two albums for Warner called " GP" and "Desolate Angel" Both are great and feature Emmy Lou Harris singing duets with Gram. Gram hired Elvis's band including James Burton for his back up band for both Warner LP's. Highly recommended.

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I know the name gram parsons and that he died young
But thats about it

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It's on the way ,The Avalon, Fillmore, Carousel Ballroom , Fillmore West, Winterland,, Greek , Frost, Shoreline,,Warfield Theatre, Orpheum Theatre, Oakland Auditorium, this box set is gonna be a killer. The Bay Area, where it all started!

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....and youtooob this land is your land los lobos with Jerry Garcia & Bob Weir. Copy and paste what I just typed.
Go! Now!

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Not only great in his own right, but also a major influence on The Stones ( among others) during their creative peak-1968-1972. He features as a member of The Stones touring party in Stanley Booth's excellent "True Adventures of The Rolling Stones"-possibly the best book I have ever read on The Stones, and he was photographed at Nellcote during the recording of Exile. I don't think he appears physically on any of The Stones albums from this period, but his spiritual presence is palpable.

The first few Emmylou Harris albums blend nicely with those solo Gram parsons albums, too.

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Rest in Peace and via con dios Sonny. We shared a birthday. I don't know any Hell's Angels anymore, but back in the 70's and early 80's I did, and they were one of the most colorful and courteous people we knew. Scarry, Big and looked a bit like Pig. When he wore his colors, we could not be touched. The Angels got a bad rep and it stayed with them. I think the movie "Gimme Shelter" had a lot to do with that. Jerry once said that Grateful Dead music was for everyone, perceived good or evil. yin and yang. 83 and lost his battle with cancer. Anybody out there got any Hell's Angels stories they would like to share?

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I'd bump into the English variety ( stop laughing at the back) during the 70's from time to time. They didn't seem very threatening to me, I have to say. Not really what you might call match fit. If any of them had picked on me, I always felt that I would have been able to run away from them easily, and they would never have been able to catch me.

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Colo. initiative 58 this fall if the signatures pass the test. Decriminalize possession only I think. Might include spiritual clinics where one (21 and over) could improve their mental wellbeing? Still no sales though at this time. I think Denver decriminalized in 2019.
Never thought I'd live to see the day.
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Had to follow up with Vince Jerry and Bob doing the national anthem. Priceless!

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I don't have a personal story to tell, but for anyone who is interested, Google "Hell's Angels visit Apple Records".
It's quite comical, and they did not behave so well. I'm pretty sure this is Christmas of '69 or thereabouts.
I also have it on good advice from a friend in retail that she had regular "Biker Clubs" visit her store, and she states that they were some of the MOST polite customers she ever had. If one stepped out of line, the leader would inevitably make that person apologize. How about that??

I have no thoughts on the upcoming box announcement, but I would certainly love anything prior to 1971.
If it's later than that, it's just not worth the inevitable "discussion" with my wife about why I have no self control when it comes to music.

I've been listening to 2-3 albums per artist lately, so my last 5 would be:

Gomez
REM
Terry Riley
Pharoah Sanders
Joe Jackson

Music is the Best!!

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Emmy said she learned a lot from harmonizing with Gram, and how to sing without over emotionalizing, so that could influence her first albums after he passed. Also, she hired the same band that Gram used for both his two solo albums, so there could be some similarity and familiarity there.

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a long time ago I met a guy via a dude. The guy (a biker) said his name was "Animal". He showed me the "1% handshake". He said, "It could save your life someday".

I have never forgotten that little tip. I still haven't had to use it, but I keep it in a remote part of my brain, just in case.

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