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Hello all, I hope everyone had a safe and sane 4th.

My ears perked up when I read "Nellcote". Gram was eventually kicked out of Nellcote during the Exile sessions for overdoing it on the heroin. Yeah, let that one sink in. Gram Parsons was asked to leave a 20 room mansion rented to Keith Richards at the height of his heroin habit. A place where the comers and goers added up to (I would guess) the number of people who traveled with the Dead to Europe '72. And Gram Parsons had to go. THAT'S a guy I'd want to spend a day with.

If I could choose any rock album to be present for during its creation, Exile would be the one. It took years for me to endure an end-to-end listen to it, but after many attempts it finally clicked. I highly recommend the documentary film "The Stones in Exile". It's probably on youtube. It's almost unbelievable that the tax rate for the wealthy in Great Britain was something like 90% in those days. I wonder if all of the big rock groups fled - Led Zeppelin, The Who, etc.

There's also some good cover versions of Gram songs among those first three or four albums. Even after James Burton left-Luxury Liner with Albert Lee is great.

Sounds a bit dangerous spending a day with Gram Parsons though.

Maybe even higher percentages as the income increased.
Beatles said, "1 for me, 19 for you".
95% tax rate. Yikes!
I'm in the lowest bracket here. What is that, maybe 12%?
Cheers

probably uses paper money for bath tissue.

As fucked up as the USA is on many levels, thank goodness my forebears kicked the Empire in the crown jewels.

Any British posters on here, if you like the royals, please just accept/tolerate my American perspective.

....so gamble away!!

I doubt that anyone from the UK on here could give two hoots either way about the British royal family and to be honest I find it a bit strange that you do. To most of us here they're a harmless, pointless, anachronism.

Yes, I agree with Nick - they live in a separate reality to me. I'm neither for them nor against them. It's not The Stones we're talking about here though, is it?

I'm making my every ten yearly effort to get into jazz and I'm succeeding better this time. John Coltrane's Ascension is extraordinary. 1966 for goodness sake, and I thought Hendrix was really out there at that time. I had no idea music like Coltrane's at that time existed, Hendrix is boringly normal in comparison. I'm waiting for Interstellar Space to be delivered, could be too much.

I've never got as far as Ascension, I'm afraid. I keep meaning too-a bit like I keep meaning to read James Joyce's "Ulysses" - I Feel it has to be done, but it's a daunting prospect. "Blue Train" and "Giant Steps" -and "Live at The Village Vanguard" are the only Coltrane albums I have played regularly - great stuff, but different from the later albums.

Maybe the nearest I have got to that sound is the Sun Ra Arkestra. I happened across them by chance supporting the MC5 about 20 years. Sun Ra had passed on by then but they still blasted into the stratosphere like nothing I had ever heard before. At the end of the MC5's set both bands filled the stage for possibly the loudest jam I have ever heard in my entire life. Reading about them, original sax player John Gilmore was apparently influenced by Coltrane. Many-100's in fact- albums to their name and still a riot live - up to 2019 when I last saw them.

As a nearly lifelong jazz-head, Coltrane is my guy, especially when it comes to adventurous forward-looking music. That said, Ascension is hard for me to get my head around. Too much going on with all of those instruments. Interstellar Space is the polar opposite as it is a series of duets with drummer Rasheed Ali, which allows Trane’s singular brilliance as a horn player to shine through. Very much out there without all of the madness of the large ensemble. I think you will dig it.

NICK
While you try some more Coltrane (Live at Temple is stunning) can I recommend trying ‘Free Jazz’ by Ornette Coleman, Recorded in 1960 it just seems unbelievable that music like this existed then. Although having said that the music being produced by Stockhausen in the 50’s is pretty out there.

Colin - thanks I'll try Free Jazz next.

Wokeupdrad - that's reassuring about Interstellar Space

DaveRock - don't fight against Ascension, just empty your mind and let it enter you, I love it. In fact it's a bit of a guilty pleasure for me, I'd never let my wife know I listen to something like that, she struggles with Kind of Blue. When I was 14 it was masturbation and now I'm 63 it's Coltrane, who would have thought?

is named John's Coal Trains. I don't know how many in the league have ever picked up on what I was going for there, but as someone with tons of Coltrane music, I couldn't resist!

Freee D&C webcast tonight on Nugs! Dark Star!

Nick-I've just listened to about 5 minutes of Ascension here on my laptop. Sounds quite dense and hallucinatory, even on this small contraption. I have forgotten the word for it -but I had that sense of seeing sounds, rather than hearing them. Just briefly. Completely different from what I have been listening to this year -so - order in.

My wife's out this evening, I'll have another listen then. i find I can only take one version at one sitting, the two together would be exhausting.

I recently got turned on to Pharoah Sanders, who played with Coltrane back in the day. I've really been digging Floating Points. There's a live performance with the London Symphony Orchestra that's just amazing. Minimalist and ambient and better with every listen.

I have one or two old Coltrane records. I need to dig in deeper. I was just looking at the wiki and realized that there's some albums out there with Coltrane, Sanders, McCoy Tyner and Elvin Jones. Whoa.

....I was playing King Gizzard And The Lizard Wizard on the home stereo last night while making dinner with the wife. She says "Who is this? They sound kinda ping-pong-y". I told her. She says "Well that's a stupid name but the music sounds pretty good". If you knew my wife, you wouldn't expect her to say that.

DAVEROCK, you had synesthesia, which I think is not uncommon when listening to highly complicated, atonal/atypical or cacophonous music. Terry Riley does this to me on a regular basis. Listened to DP 7-Ally Pally. Great stuff, and I don't even mind that it's not a complete show. It COULDV"E been a complete show, and I'm ok with that. New NY/Crazy Horse album today. Looking forward to listening to that, and the VERY early Elton John "psychedelic" album, "Regimental Sgt. Zippo", although I'm not sure it will be a rewarding listen. I hope everyone enjoys their weekend, and maybe, just maybe, experiences a little synesthesia!!

Mr Ones - yes, that's the word, thanks. Maybe also that I had never heard the music before . I can remember "Bitches Brew" having that effect on me too. This is in drug free state - not after taking psychedelics. Terry Riley is hypnotic too.

Found those guys within the last year or so by way of Mild High Club. Picked up a couple things by Mild High Club and mildly dug their mellow, trippy, jazzy sounds. Saw they had a collaboration with King Gizzard and the Lizard Wizard, and it piqued my curiosity, so I picked it up. Album is Sketches of Brunswick East by King Gizzard Lizard with Mild High Club. Groovy, spacey, jazzy sounds abounding with a nice flow through the album. Probably pick up more of their stuff, just not sure where to start, seems like they vary their style from album to album. Open to suggestions.

All the talk of Coltrane and no mention of A Love Supreme? That and Blue Train are about the only Coltrane I actually have, cool if I'm in the right mood but not an artist that has sparked me to compulsively buy up his albums like some other artists have done.

....it's true that their style differs quite a bit from album to album. They put out seven records in 2017 (!?!). I just started listening to them a couple of months ago and enjoy them quite a bit. They can get VERY psychedelic. As far as starting point, try Butterfly 3000? That perked Mrs. Vguy's ears lol.

Well between all the awesome suggestions from y’all, cross referenced with some other research I’d done, I was finally able to order up some new tunes! Unfortunately, several great ones were not currently available (at least on CD, many on vinyl) or were kinda pricey imports, but that helped funnel final cuts to the following. Still have a huge list of fine ideas, but these oughta keep us busy for awhile, especially with new Dave’s and hopefully a box sooner than later!
So a bakers dozen In no particular order:
Mickeys new Planet Drum (pre-order)
Grant Green: Idle Moments
Oscar Peterson: Night Train
Kieth Jarrett: Koln Concert
Pharaoh Sanders: Karma
Christian McBride: Inside Strait Live at VV
Wes Montgomery: Smokin at the 1/2 note
Sun Ra: Greatest Hits Easy Listening for Intergalactic Travel
Tito Puente: King of Kings
TM: Monks Dream
Mingus: Live at Carnegie Hall
Getz/Gilberto
Hank Mobley: Soul Station

Thanks Again, Happy Listening!

Yes to Hank Mobley, Soul Station is great. I liked Soul Station so much I picked up Roll Call, Workout, and No Room For Squares as well. Good stuff.

Have to add Butterfly 3000 to my next order, been feeling like it's about time to pick up Neil Young's Royce Hall and Dorothy Chandler Pavilion solo releases now that Hitchhiker is on the way, so might be soon. Just finished listening to a bunch of Otis Redding that I just got, along with some Eddie Harris albums I picked up after the soul jazz discussion on here got me digging around. Swiss Movement, Eddie Harris and Les McCann Live at Montreux 1969 turned out to be fantastic, familiar with the version of Compared to What from that show from other collections, but the whole set smoked. The Electrifying Eddie Harris was hot as well. Another example of this site facilitating my ongoing, compulsive CD acquisition.

6 7 80 high energy
8 20 80 high energy
8 26 80 interesting lil' show
November 85 has lots of high energy shows
Just a little bit longer until the new Davez

....I listened to the second set of 5.26.77 Thursday night. Twas enjoyable.

Oro - A great selection of jazz discs! Thumbs up on Hank Mobley & Grant Green. But as the robot said: Danger Will Robinson!! Once you get started down the path of Jazz…

Sheesh! What an ear(eye)-boggling, mind-blowing number of musical nudges and directions lately. Sounds like many orders were inspired too. While digging deep into collections and/or waiting for deliveries, anybody that's curious about King Gizzard & the Lizard Wizard can listen/download their 12th album (2017) which was released as a free download. Search: "King Gizzard And The Lizard Wizard Polygondwanaland archive". Onward.

Wasn't that an SNL bit?

Dave has to get some announcements out, cuz I'm hip deep in books and CDs ordered after tips on this forum.

I gotta take time off from my time off just to read and listen to it all.

A couple of Guinness and a few keystrokes on my laptop and BAM! there goes the retirement....

Save us Dave! Say sumpin'! (Never thought I'd utter those words, at least in that order.)

Agree. This is pure insanity. But I think Dave is going to do the right thing.. we will get two announcements this week and some serious remote fidgeting/log rolling in the twofer release videos that follow.

If not, Dead Boys come join us at the Vault, this Saturday. It's going to be wild. Everybody is going to be there. #FreeTheReels #1968OrBust

Hopefully Dave is going to do the right thing.

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What was the box tease? Multi year? Multi venue multi year?

"I talk to the wind..."

(As long as I don't wave to the wind...ugh)

Thanks for the heads up on King Giz & Liz.

I see the talk here about how great they are, so nice to get a copy of something to listen to.

.... back a few subjects,,, but strong thumbs up for Les McCann and Eddie Harris on Compared to What. Got this cut on an Atlantic collection years ago and fell in love with.

..... unwed mothers soon need abortions.... (indeed!)

Avalon, Fillmore, Carousel Ballroom, Harding Theatre, Warfield Theatre, Orpheum Theatre, Winterland, Greek ,Frost, Golden Gate Park, & more. Get ready.

Charlie3 I just ordered that Montreau Les McCan cd on your recommendation. Thanks!

BTK I'm all over that box! Living in the Bay Area, I went to most of those shows!

9/20/70, acoustic & electric. If It's in the vault, please release it. No one is getting any younger.

....I pray that you are correct. That would be incredible!

While we wait for the announce, Swiss Movement album was huge back in the day, clearly recall we wore out that vinyl when it was released late 1969. The song (or maybe the record) was Grammy nominated. Dig "Cold Duck Time" there too. The great Leroy Vinnegar played bass and was given credit for developing the so called "walking" bass lines. Concert video available on utube. Resisting leaving new enticements for rabbit holes, all too soon to be distracted by 43, however Oro's list has me thinking specific albums/recordings to mention, rather than artists, will post after 43 fever fades. Back when the science fiction discussion was going on, meant to note author HP Lovecraft, horror crossover. Some science fiction is in music and here I tread carefully, HF. Though "Are You Experienced" was a total revelation about what could be done on electric guitar (and in studio), notably Third Stone From the Sun, Axis was released just before I first saw Jimi play, remains #1 with me, lots of science fiction. The song "Up From the Skies" is such a nice jazzy tune, a landmark because Jimi broke out the wah-wah pedal which had just been invented to bring effects of trumpet muting to electric guitar. Sure Clapton played with it on Tales of Brave Ulysses same time, 1967/68 but Jimi mastered it so well so fast. Something else, in those prescient lyrics, Jimi notes climate change or "change in climate". Check out Pat Metheny's version of Third Stone, on tribute album Stone Free, with a nod to Jaco (also utubable).

U-tube Jazz Sabbath, a riff on the actual Black Sabbath songbook, and actually, a pretty decent jazz piano trio, led by Adam Wakeman (yea, related to That Wakeman). Hilarious, but actually a pretty earnest recording of Iron Man, etc., done in post bop swing fashion.

Last 5
Neil Young - Dorothy Chandler Pavillion
Neil Young - Royce Hall
Miles Davis - Big Fun
Robert Fripp - Music For Quiet Moments (Vol 3)
Nick Drake - Way To Blue

Tickets for Emmylou for August, and Bruce H in November, but really hoping to get an outdoor show or two in over the summer. Something about music under the stars…

Probably known to one and all, but Adam Wakeman played on stage with Black Sabbath during their final concerts in 2017.
Last 5 ?
Classic Recordings Billy Riley
Somethin' Else cd 6 Eddie Cochran
Green Steve Hillage
Astralogy Astralasia
Discipline King Crimson

Honourable mention for Sue Foley's Live in Europe dvd, too. Featuring 2 live shows from 2005. Great tele tones on these finger plucking blues.

playing here in October, all ready sold out. Tickets going for 5 times face value. nope
Sure hope Dave's next one is from 1980, Gainesville anyone? But as stated there were a lot of gr8 shows from 1980.

For me, posts on Stanley Clarke or Stanley Turrentine are more interesting than the Stanley Cup.

Lots of great recommendations.

I 'll add one more pianist - Abdullah Ibrahim
He was known as Dollar Brand when oppression made him an exile from South Africa in the early 1960s.
He can be joyous, spare or spiritual, sometimes simultaneously.
I love his solo stuff, and his septet, Ekaya ("Home")

Last week my NPR station played his latest. Solotude.
a revisit to some of his best tunes, played with the experience of other veteran musicians we admire.

Also - it's Lee Morgan's Birthday !
Three weeks ago my wife started my day by saying "it's Eric Dolphy's Birthday"
Three days days later i climbed down from that invisible aviary a better person.

Dollar Brand

wow. thanks JJ. a blast from my (somewhat lost) music past. everything I have is on LP. been a long while cause the turntable done not set up nowadays.

Africa - Tears and Laughter -- Ishmael. The Perfumed Forest Wet With Rain. Did you hear that Sound?

Wasn't that an award given to Stanley Mouse, the famous artist who lived across the street from the G.D. in the H.A. with Alton Kelly, who along with Rick Griffin and others, formed Family Dog et al??

suggested jazz:
Sonny's Crib - Sonny Clark
The Oracle - Hank Jones
We Three - Roy Haynes
Somethin' Else - Cannonball Adderley

anything from Charlie Haden's series The Montreal Tapes

and synesthesia, well... would have expected someone to nail that term quickly on this board. Looking forward to Ed Yong's "An Immense World" on animal perceptual systems incredible range.

I've invested in a copy of the Penguin Guide to Jazz on cd 7th edition. Over 1700 pages of CD reviews and Somethin' Else is one of their ' Core Collection' recommendations. I've been playing it today actually. I much prefer it to Kind of Blue. I find Kind of Blue kind of boring, too polished.

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Talk Talk - Laughing Stock
Cannonball Adderley -Somethin' Else
Tristeza-Dream Signals
Led Zep IV ( don't ask, I just needed a bit of Stairway)
Roxy Music- For Your Pleasure

7 17 76

Orpheum 76

A classic, awesome run

GD

Concert by the Sea, Carmel, Calif., 1955.

And if you dig Cannonball Adderley's Something Else, you'll love his Quintet in San Francisco/Live at the Jazz Workshop, fall 1959, with Nat Adderley on cornet (sans Miles).

That is all!

So grateful for the broad discussions this past week, I’ve acquired 3 books, and already read 2 of them.
Also, I hadn’t dug through my Les McCann in a long time. I had forgotten how stunning Invitation To Openness is!! 3 songs, 52 minutes. Very much in a Miles electric vein. I also highly recommend Les’ “Layers” album. It’s on deck for me. Last 5:

Les McCann-Invitation To Openness
Little Feat-Little Feat
Linda Ronstadt-Linda Ronstadt
McCoy Tyner-Sahara (Recommended from someone on here!)
Mahavishnu Orchestra-Apocalypse

Music is the Best!!

More great suggestions.
One in particular triggered a reaction.

I spent my time and money on children in the 90s and am still catching up.
So I never knew about Hank Jones' "The Oracle" with Dave Holland and Billy Higgins until a youtube click a year or two ago.
I still listen to it that way, but the only single thing I reach for as often since then is the bonus disc from Dave's v38, highlights of the nite before 6/23/74. (seems to me every verse and chorus on every tune has at least one great Jerry fill).
This does give me an excuse to enthusiastically warn about jumping in the Dave Holland rabbit-hole.
From early collaborations with Anthony Braxton to recently with Zakir Hussain, with sessions in the 70s with Bonnie Raitt and Vassar Clemens, there aren't many of his bass lines I don't adore.

And BLUECROW, once he has reached you, Abdullah Ibrahim is a strong and steadying presence in perpetuity .

Music IS the Best