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WHAT'S INSIDE:
Madison Square Garden 3/9/81
Madison Square Garden 3/10/81
Madison Square Garden 9/20/82
Madison Square Garden 9/21/82
Madison Square Garden 10/11/83
Madison Square Garden 10/12/83
Newly restored and speed-corrected audio by Plangent Processes
Mastered by Jeffrey Norman
Liners by award-winning music journalist David Fricke
Artwork by Dave Van Patten
Individually Numbered, Limited Edition Of 12,500

“Welcome to the unique, enduring phenomenon of the Grateful Dead in New York City, a mutual devotion, forged in concert, that ran for nearly as long as the band itself—from June 1, 1967, a free show in Tompkins Square Park on the Lower East Side (ahead of the band’s official, local bow at the Cafe Au Go Go), to the Dead’s last Garden run, six nights in October 1994…the Dead’s affinity for New York City…was instant and arguably their most profound with any city aside from San Francisco.” - David Fricke

They got on the bus to the Port Authority, rode in on the Long Island Railroad and the New Jersey Transit line. They traveled North, South, and West on the 1, 2, and 3 subway lines, their numbers growing as they descended upon Penn Station. Some rolled up in those iconic New York yellows. Some walked excitedly through the bright lights of Broadway and Times Square, meeting up with old friends on the way and picking up a few new ones too as they ascended The Garden's stairs. Maybe you were among them - lightly buzzed on the way in, fully aglow on the way home. New York City was in its prime and damn if the Grateful Dead wasn't going to rise up to meet it! If you were there, we call on you to join us as we recapture that MSG magic and if you weren't, we invite you along on the epic journey that is IN AND OUT OF THE GARDEN: MADISON SQUARE GARDEN '81 '82 '83.

Numbered and limited-edition to 12,500, this 17CD set celebrates the band’s rich history at “the world’s most famous arena,” introducing six previously unreleased shows recorded at MSG between 1981 and 1983. It offers a front-row seat to the Dead in the early 1980s, an overlooked and underestimated era of rebirth for the band. At the time of the recordings, the group featured Brent Mydland. Mydland’s vocal power and colorful keyboard palette energized the band, invigorating older material like “The Wheel,” “Truckin’” and “Eyes of The World.” He also gave the band more musical flexibility, which encouraged them to dust off rarely aired treasures like “Dupree’s Diamond Blues” and “Crazy Fingers.”

IN AND OUT OF THE GARDEN touches on the three-year period after 1980’s GO TO HEAVEN was released, a time when the Dead were constantly on the road, playing more than 200 dates. While they were in no rush to return to the studio during this time, they continued to write new music. In 1982 and ’83, the band performed most of the songs that would appear on 1987’s IN THE DARK. The new collection includes performances of four songs from that album – “Touch Of Grey,” “Hell In A Bucket,” “Throwing Stones,” and “West L.A. Fadeaway” – plus the B-side, “My Brother Esau.”

Due September 23rd, IN AND OUT OF THE GARDEN comes in a custom box featuring new artwork by Dave Van Patten celebrating the band’s eclectic fanbase, with a cavalcade of illustrated Dead Heads. The collection also includes detailed liner notes by award-winning music journalist David Fricke, who explores the band’s connection to the Big Apple. It features newly restored and speed-corrected audio by Plangent Processes, mastered by Jeffrey Norman.

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August 25, 2022 - 3:07pm

#331

simonrob

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Shipping farce

I imagine that dead.net don't give a shit if they lose all their international customers. They know exactly the percentage of international customers who subscribe to Dave's Picks for instance. It will be a very small number, almost certainly less than 5%. All Dave's Picks releases sell out within days. Without international customers they would probably take just a few days more to sell out. They wouldn't lose any revenue, not a cent. With box sets they may decide to produce a few percent less copies and increase the price by a few percent to offset the loss of international customers. Would US customers then stop buying the box sets? Would they even notice? Probably not, with no disrespect to our American friends. Rhino and dead.net exist to make money, not to be nice to people.
August 25, 2022 - 12:46pm

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Oroborous

Joined:
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Shipping blues

The part that I think is most telling and lame is that Rhino ships similar items by other artists overseas still at normal pricing? Seems like they don’t want to deal with our DH friends across the water?
Dammit Daverock ya scared then off (just teasing of course!)

And if that’s not bad enough, it will probably hurt sales of this box, which will lead some to blame it on “the 80s”, which sucks now that we actually got some : (
August 25, 2022 - 10:13am

#333

JimInMD

Joined:
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Screwed the Pooch

I think Rhino either didn't think this through completely or made a calculated business decision understanding it might tank international sales. Too bad, a big mistake.

More Dead is a good thing, it hurts to see people denied access because of where they purchase.

A travesty. Rant over, as you were.
August 25, 2022 - 4:30am

#334

Alan57

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Goodbye Dead.net

I worked out a while ago they weren’t going to fix this.Never mind it is several multiples of what every other retailer ,including associated businesses such as Rhino and Neil Young’s Greedy Hand store,charge for international shipping on similar sized items.
No matter I already have plenty of Dead to listen to and some other business will get my money.I wish Dead.net falling sales and a limited future.Goodbye.
August 23, 2022 - 9:15am

#335

JoeyMC

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Damn.

Damn.
August 23, 2022 - 9:00am

#336

That Mike

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The Shipping News

Neither here nor there, but I post this only because WB/Rhino/deadnet finally responded today to my inquiry about international shipping. Basically, the new higher fee is correct, they stated it was supposed to be brought in with the St Lou box. After converting Cdn pesos into USD$$, it is beyond reasonable to pay the international shipping fee on top off the merchandise, especially when door to door delivery is easily 15-16 calendar days, like it went from California to the Sea of Tranquility.

When I receive DaP 44 per subscription, I will be folding my tent. Them is the breaks. Just thought all the international customers might like to know for fact what we always assumed was right.
August 18, 2022 - 5:29am

#337

Born Cross Eye…

Joined:
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List of Box Sets

Thanks, Dead Vikes for the list of box sets, their tape sources, AND their original GD Store prices. I had forgotten the price I paid for the Fillmore West 1969 box.
I have most of the except both Spring 1990 boxes and the RFK 1989 & Giants 1987-88-89 boxes.
August 17, 2022 - 5:25pm

#338

Charlie3

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Risks

Sometimes it's hard to really appreciate the nature or gravity of the risk until it's too late and you are reaping the consequences or escaping catastrophic consequences by the proverbial skin of your teeth. And other times, you just say fuck it, and live your life without regard to the potential consequences, but that is far easier when you are young and unencumbered.
August 17, 2022 - 5:17pm

#339

Oroborous

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Amen brother!

Sometimes I start thinking bout things, and well, a testimony I guess on how relatively cool things were much of the time, and how lucky most of us were. There were definitely a handful of times that things could of gone completely sideways. 🫣
August 17, 2022 - 5:04pm

#340

proudfoot

Joined:
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I was always amazed that people...

would offer such specialized wares for sale to complete strangers in a very public place.

THAT guy was in a hotel, but still...some people take bigass risks.

I have taken a few risks in my time, but nothing bigass like being an "oracle" wink wink nudge nudge. More like "ok, you got that part covered, so let's go for it".

Use your imaginations, folks...

Come to think of it, that was a bigass risk

John Perry Barlow

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WHAT'S INSIDE:
Madison Square Garden 3/9/81
Madison Square Garden 3/10/81
Madison Square Garden 9/20/82
Madison Square Garden 9/21/82
Madison Square Garden 10/11/83
Madison Square Garden 10/12/83
Newly restored and speed-corrected audio by Plangent Processes
Mastered by Jeffrey Norman
Liners by award-winning music journalist David Fricke
Artwork by Dave Van Patten
Individually Numbered, Limited Edition Of 12,500

“Welcome to the unique, enduring phenomenon of the Grateful Dead in New York City, a mutual devotion, forged in concert, that ran for nearly as long as the band itself—from June 1, 1967, a free show in Tompkins Square Park on the Lower East Side (ahead of the band’s official, local bow at the Cafe Au Go Go), to the Dead’s last Garden run, six nights in October 1994…the Dead’s affinity for New York City…was instant and arguably their most profound with any city aside from San Francisco.” - David Fricke

They got on the bus to the Port Authority, rode in on the Long Island Railroad and the New Jersey Transit line. They traveled North, South, and West on the 1, 2, and 3 subway lines, their numbers growing as they descended upon Penn Station. Some rolled up in those iconic New York yellows. Some walked excitedly through the bright lights of Broadway and Times Square, meeting up with old friends on the way and picking up a few new ones too as they ascended The Garden's stairs. Maybe you were among them - lightly buzzed on the way in, fully aglow on the way home. New York City was in its prime and damn if the Grateful Dead wasn't going to rise up to meet it! If you were there, we call on you to join us as we recapture that MSG magic and if you weren't, we invite you along on the epic journey that is IN AND OUT OF THE GARDEN: MADISON SQUARE GARDEN '81 '82 '83.

Numbered and limited-edition to 12,500, this 17CD set celebrates the band’s rich history at “the world’s most famous arena,” introducing six previously unreleased shows recorded at MSG between 1981 and 1983. It offers a front-row seat to the Dead in the early 1980s, an overlooked and underestimated era of rebirth for the band. At the time of the recordings, the group featured Brent Mydland. Mydland’s vocal power and colorful keyboard palette energized the band, invigorating older material like “The Wheel,” “Truckin’” and “Eyes of The World.” He also gave the band more musical flexibility, which encouraged them to dust off rarely aired treasures like “Dupree’s Diamond Blues” and “Crazy Fingers.”

IN AND OUT OF THE GARDEN touches on the three-year period after 1980’s GO TO HEAVEN was released, a time when the Dead were constantly on the road, playing more than 200 dates. While they were in no rush to return to the studio during this time, they continued to write new music. In 1982 and ’83, the band performed most of the songs that would appear on 1987’s IN THE DARK. The new collection includes performances of four songs from that album – “Touch Of Grey,” “Hell In A Bucket,” “Throwing Stones,” and “West L.A. Fadeaway” – plus the B-side, “My Brother Esau.”

Due September 23rd, IN AND OUT OF THE GARDEN comes in a custom box featuring new artwork by Dave Van Patten celebrating the band’s eclectic fanbase, with a cavalcade of illustrated Dead Heads. The collection also includes detailed liner notes by award-winning music journalist David Fricke, who explores the band’s connection to the Big Apple. It features newly restored and speed-corrected audio by Plangent Processes, mastered by Jeffrey Norman.

It's Finally Here

First in? Must be because this was hard to find.
Tip off on the DaP42 thread.
Cheers

Box set

Phew. That's saved me a few bob. Enjoy

Cool

Fingers crossed for high quality source tapes.

In and Out of the Garden

And Away We Go!

Me Too Docmarty

But I had to get the 3-CD.
Just because.
And it has an interesting segue with a Sampson.
Cheers

Funny?

No mention of the Saint Steve On 10/11/83?
I know it’s not pristine etc but it was the first one since 1/10/79.
You’d think they’d at least mention it.

Woo Hoo!

Plangentized and Normanized

Well....

....did anybody see this coming?

Source tapes

Does anyone know what the source is for these shows? Cassettes? Edison wax cylinders? I imagine the sound quality will be at least acceptable otherwise would they dare to put out a 17 CD box. Don't answer that. 😬

Nice, but s/h is 500% higher than last year!

70 USD for int'l shipping!

Last year we paid 16 USD for the 20-CD St Louis box... Sad...

Cassette masters

I am a huge fan of these 81 shows and have known the 9/21/82 show a long time and dig it pretty well too. Happy to see this come out as a box.

I have to admit though, I am a little disappointed that they didn't try another matrix like 11-30-80. The Glassberg tapes from the 81 shows outshine the SBDs in many ways. I think the DaP 8 matrix sounds superb and wish they would have done that here.

Wah wah wah - signed, another picky deadhead

Garden Meltdown

I had a cassette of 10/11/83 set II. One of my first tapes. It was labeled "Garden Meltdown". It does sound lysergic!

For me personally, although…

For me personally, although there is some gold in these there MSG hills, my first impression is I may pass on this full box, on cost alone. Converting my local pesos into USD, and adding in the international shipping - which blows at the best of times, no matter what gets charged - I may pass on this one. Too bad, but thems the breaks.

To those that do get it, I hope it is a killer box set.

Daves Picky

Docmarty-there speaks my mind. I was getting a bit worried with all this talk about a 69 box. Wouldn't mind a telescope, though.

I was kind of expecting this…

I was kind of expecting this, but I thought it would be all the 80's MSG shows.

Daverock

Better go over to DaP43 quick if you want some 1969.
Will sell fast I'd predict.
Very early acoustic set too!
Cheers

I...

Was NOT expecting this!!!!! This was a an excellent run of shows.
So, all that is left to be said is
PLAY DEAD!!!!!!

Looks Cool

I like this format for these boxes being three years from a city or venue. A bit more affordable and packed with a lot of music. Covers a lot of ground from the era. Seems like ages between box set announcements from last year's. Dave's Picks from 69 looks great too. Incentive to subscribe.

I'm a subscriber so it's no biggie, but the page for Dave's Pucks 43 doesn't seem to work. Did it crash?

Artwork

It's about the music, obviously, but when the artwork on the package is not to one's taste—in this case not at all, horrific IMHO—it's an instant turn off. Hope the music inside really sings.

Here!

...just take my money already, dammit!

Sixtus

Wow!

I've always wanted 9/21/82 (first show I ever attended) to be released, but after a while I came to doubt that it would ever happen. The show opens on a spectacular note (a strong Playin'>Crazy Fingers??!!) and the level of energy and improvisation at this show are quite notable for any performance during the Band's last 15 years. Some of the song selections are quite melancholically expressed, and others are exuberantly played. I've always thought that Jerry and the drummers in particular were on fire that night. The encore, US Blues, is one I've come to realize as more likely to follow a strong performance. But- no question there's a number of stellar examples of the repertoire in it. No question I'm getting this one. That being said, while I'll be thrilled to get the official release and improved soundboard recording, there's a great matrix rendition of this show online which fans of it shouldn't miss.

First Thoughts

I didn't jump on this one right away, but eventually conceded. I would have gladly paid the $179 for DaP43 over this box set.

To me the highlights are the 83 St. Stephen out of Space (clearly) and the 81 Deep Elem. But, I figured that this era is underrepresented in my catalog, so why not give it a shot. With that, my collection of C.C. Riders and Day Jobs will now be way overrepresented.

Yea, the artwork is definitely sub-optimal.

careful with those speakers...

I've been waiting quite a while for more '81, especially these two. March 10 being an absolute craklin' wildfire. While I enjoy 70's GD a little more reined in, not so for the 80s. It's a thicker sound that works more from the overall groove then the individual notes. So less need to keep an eye over the shoulder. In some respects, more akin to 60's primal Dead.

No digital download option?

Shut up and take my money

I too am a little disappointed they didn't try for matrix recordings. That Dave's Picks 8 is one of the best sounding shows that have been released imo. I feel like they could do some amazing work with the cassettes and some good auds. But alas. This fills in a nice gap in my collection and I love the '81-'82 stuff i've heard. Excited for this one - something different. I'll wait to judge the artwork until I have the set in hand. I hope all the 80s fans are grateful for this one.

And we get the '69 people were predicting in the form of two shows in the new Dave's Picks. Great day to be a dead fan!

Absolutely agree re. the matrix recordings

Sonically, other than the plangent treatment, the better matrix ones really have it all. While soundboards can sound really good, given the choice, I've tended to prefer the ambience and 'you are there in the audience' quality of the better crowd recordings- especially for 80s shows, a number of which I attended. Yes, the soundboards are much closer to that 'on stage' experience, but since (surprise!) I was never on-stage during a Dead show, I don't have the same deep emotional/nostalgic connection to the soundboard 'ambience.' Plus, and I find this much more with the two-track soundboards (vs multi-track ones), the sense of crucial depth-of-field presence I associate with live music is basically missing. Two-track soundboard recordings can still blow my mind, but excellent multi-track, crowd, and matrix recordings (in that ascending order) still more so. Still, I'm more than grateful for what we get, official releases or not.

Many thanks

1stshow - that's great, thanks very much! I had completely missed the announcement for Daves 43- I got the two emails about new releases, but I assumed one was a duplicate of the other announcing the 80's box. Anyway-order in for 69.

Just.absolutely. perfect!!…

Just.absolutely. perfect!!
Garden always rocked in the old times.
Now get off my lawn.

Daverock

You're welcome!
What are friends for?
I was worried I was bothering you.
I didn't expect both announcements on the same day either.

5Branch- Surprised to see the digital option on both the box and the single show breakout.
I don't think my little computer could handle it! So I'm still a physical product buyer.
Besides I've got to fill that CD cabinet I bought last year.

Cheers to all on this exciting day!

Re-mastered from the…

Re-mastered from the original 2-track tapes I'm guessing? GD 2-tracks are generally better than ANYone else's multi-tracks, but they can still be lacking. As always, hoping there is plenty of guitar in the mixes.

MEH, Pass. Crap art work.

International Shipping

Please explain the huge increase in International Shipping Charges.

"You are there" Matrices?

Yes. Big Yup! I love the Dave's 8 Matrix and given what we know about some 80s soundboards, cassettes, etc., matrixing the whole lot would be a great idea. Someone mentioned Dr. Barry Glassberg's tapes as a good source and I do agree with that. I'll be happy either way though.

YAHOO!

3/9/81
3/10/81
both are fantastic
9/20/82 I have never heard
9/21/82 I have heard but don't remember much about except the opening numbers (it's been years)
10/11/83 is joyous
10/12/83 I have never heard

Well done, PTB. Well done.

If you pass this one up, that's your business. But you are passing up some true gold.

GOD BLESS THE GRATEFUL DEAD!!!

I'm down with this...

Jamming "Draggin' the Line," by Tommy James and the Shondells. Groovy man.

Excited for this purchase - not my fave era (Jerry super high) and cassettes - so I haven't heard quite as much.

Fresh for the ears, looking forward to another premium package from Rhino. Don't think there could be a better company to curate the Dead's legacy. I feel blessed.

\m/

Draggin the line is

a pleasant earworm

Listening to it in 30 seconds...

Spring Run '81

One of my old partners in crime, Dave R from Rockland County, was a really good taper and a classmate of mine at Duke. He and I would make copies of the shows he recorded on his Sony rig. Can't remember what mikes he used, but they were state of the art at the time. I had a Tandberg TCD 310. First gens off the master for me. That Tandberg was the best deck I ever owned. The run he did (Stanley Pittsburg, Cole Field House, MSG, Boston, and Utica) is absolutely primo. Which brings me to 03/09 and 03/10. These two shows were immaculately recorded by Mr. Dave R...his best effort IMHO. For me, the Rhythm Devils portion of both shows are the stand out. Maybe it's those JBL L45 Flairs withe the 15" woofers. Just like Kodo Drums!
Mrs. Big and I still get get a kick when Bob sings, during "Satisfaction" a confusion that comes out like "And I'm riding my TV". We'll see how these master cassettes stand up to the Dave R tapes. Where are you, Dave?

Having been to all six shows…

Having been to all six shows, each have their moments, but return of St Stephen AND Revolution encore the following night are worth the price of admission.

You won't be disappointed! …

You won't be disappointed! 10-11-83 is worth the price of admission alone from beginning to end

Artwork Influences

Yeah, I remember the artwork for Dave's Picks 1 really didn't do it for me at the time and I passed on the series for the first couple of years. Not a mistake that I will make again.

I'm glad to get some early '80s shows, but I am hoping the box is a compact size as my wife made yet another comment related to her feeling that my CD collection has sprawled beyond all reason and takes up too much space in the living room when I told her about ordering this box.

Tommy Shondell, nice. Picked up a small box set of just about all his stuff within the last year or so, The Complete Roulette Recordings of Tommy James and the Shondells 1966-1973, lots of good stuff on there including Draggin' the Line. Crystal Blue Persuasion was the song that first really caught my attention for Tommy James, that song just melts my mind in the most pleasant way. Trivia for you readers out there, in the book Sideways, Miles sang Crystal Blue Persuasion while doing karaoke early in the book, hanging with Jack and Maya at a bar in Napa Valley. OK movie, but great book. If you are, were, or may become a middle-aged guy, that book is worth a read, even if you saw the movie.

12,500 Fans of Early Brent Can’t Be Wrong

Imaginative choice of shows. Groovy artwork. And the first preview tracks sound good. Can't wait to hear samples from the other shows and see the box itself.

10% off coupon for Boxset 2022!

CC22WMG10 , save $18.00 I believe…

…I believe the art department did an outstanding job outside & inside the 2022 formal Boxset! Be prepared to let the whole production workers involved in this 2022 Boxset, the 3CD Set& everything else concerning the new Boxset! All I can say is be prepared to have them
“ Steal your face right off your head”!!!
Have a grateful day everyone! Rock on!
PS : Dave’s Picks #43 1969 is PRIMO Primal Dead with my man, the one an only, “PIGPEN” !!!
2 performances to “get your hands out of your pockets” and prepare your Dancing legs ready to party! “There is nothing like a Grateful Dead concert!gratefuly Looking forward to Dave’s Picks #43 (1969 performances & the. “Madison Square Garden” concerts from 3 different areas! Primo !!!
Take care everyone & peace be with you all!
🙏❤️💀🌹

1stshow

No, not bothering me at all - you have a great attitude, and thanks for the compliment.

Splendid!

Hopefully this is only Vol. 1!

Seen On The Daily News Wire

Check out the following article by writer Kendall Hamilton “The Great 'Touch of Grey' Debate” - an enjoyable read, and always nice to see the Dead get some contemporary press coverage.

International Shipping Charges

70$ for International Shipping Charges (plus the importation fees...) it's a lot of money, but I couldn't resist and so I'm in.
Thank you #LOVEMYGIRL for the coupon!
And now I can go back to what I'm listening to these days: Miles Davis at the Fillmore 1970 (complete East and some West, when he opened for the Grateful Dead).

Happy, Happy

This is from my days on the road so I'm a happy camper. I look at the set list and they seem "normal" :-)

I like the cover art and I think it will great in hand in album size. This is an album cover that wouldn't work on a cd. The Black Album title might have worked and not already taken by two lesser groups !!!

But the Dead title is spot on, same as Listen to the River.

@ ThatMike - Touch article

Thanks for the heads up. Interesting that Dave included one of the shows from the new box in the article - he's a sly fox...

Looking forward to an 80's Spanish Jam!!!

the return of St. Stephen

Nice selection of shows, now what source did they use? cassette tape? is this gonna be a matrix with some audience mixed in? who did the recording of these, I'm thinking Healy but just maybe someone else? As previously mentioned there are great audience recordings of these shows and they would really add life to these sound boards if that is what they used as their source.
I think I will wait and see how this one sounds before I plop down 180.00. Like Dennis, these are my glory days, and Jerry was on fire back then. I was at an 82 show in Nov and what I remember is that the band was fast and rockin and the blotter was speedy. Fond memories of these early 80 shows.

Different Years

Someone commented on this, I’ve become a big fan of this format. At any rate, lots of song variation. Here’s some that stand out from quick glance through:

3 China-Rider
3 Truckin
3 Touch
3 Throwing Stones
2 Scarlet-Fire
2 Estimated
2 He’s Gone
2 Stella Blue
2 Black Peter
2 China Doll
2 O1
Terrapin
Shakedown
Help-Slip-Franklin
Jimmy
Dupeee’s
Brokedown Palace
Crazy Fingers
Deal
St. Stephen
Might as Well
Sailor->Saint
Lightning->Supplication

The good, the bad and the bizarre...

The good: I had a 20% discount coupon code.

The bad: For the first time in 20 years one Euro is worth less than one dollar, making this box just that much more expensive.

The bizarre: $70 for international shipping. Will it be sent across the pond using a trained dolphin or will they rent space on a cartel submarine. How can anyone justify charging that much for shipping?

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