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    One more Saturday night at Winterland! Yes, we're back to home base for DAVE'S PICKS VOLUME 42, the complete show from Winterland, San Francisco, 2/23/74. The one that featured the earliest amalgamation of what would soon become the Wall of Sound, the one that is so "loud, clear, and defined," it's been ripe for release for quite some time and we're glad it's finally getting its due.

    First set or second, there are no wrong answers here. From the unique show opener of Chuck Berry's "Around And Around" and an incredible "Here Comes Sunshine" that would then disappear for 18 years, to a medley of WAKE OF THE FLOOD tracks - "Row Jimmy," "Weather Report Suite," and "Stella Blue" - cementing their status in the canon and an unstoppable hour through the classic 1973-1974 Dead that is “He’s Gone”>“Truckin’”>“Drums”>“The Other One”>“Eyes Of The World,” it's all exceptionally hot.

    Limited to 25,000 numbered copies, DAVE’S PICKS VOLUME 42: WINTERLAND, SAN FRANCISCO, 2/23/74 was recorded by Kidd Candelario and has been mastered to HDCD specs by Jeffrey Norman at Mockingbird Mastering. Grab a copy while you can.

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  • Oroborous
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    To Hell You Ride!

    Been there a few times, love it!
    Stayed in Mountain Village first time there. My cousin and our buddy paid as they could afford it lol.
    I wasn’t going to go (BG fest) but they talked me into it.
    I went mostly to hike and pa-tah! as I did not have tix or credentials.
    Climbed I believe it’s Gold peak (above Mnt Village?) and up past the mine and falls etc at the end of the box canyon? on whatever that Jeep road is that heads back to civilization? Sorry been at least 25 years? The night I hiked to the top of that, as I returned back down and into town I could hear Emmylou Harris playing just for me!
    . We had a suite, but I slept on the balcony in my sleeping bag JK style. Amazing stars and meteors up there! Fa-king awesome! One of the best WE trips ever. Wish it wasn’t so far, but I guess that’s part of what makes it.
    Never got to ski there but I was drooling the whole time I was hiking overlooking the back terrain etc.
    it was always so cool to meet a wealthy person and/or celebs that were truly nice and down to earth! Hey they all put there pants on the same as us!

  • 1stshow70878
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    Thanks Oro

    It really was fun. I was never star-struck because they just look like normal folks. The townies are a whole different class from Mountain Village where the mega stars live. Some like Justin Leonard had skied there his whole life as his parents had a condo in town and later he did too. Saw him a lot in the summer as well, had to get out of Dallas! I think he still has a place in Mountain Village too and one in Aspen. You brought one to mind I'd forgotten. Treasury Secretary John Snow. I could tell when he was coming in because the guys in suits that talk to their wrists would precede him, always in pairs. NO ONE wears a suit in Telluride. He too wore the dorky ski clothes. Now Mr. Toll was anti-fashion. His outfit was a Hawaiian print wind shirt from the 70's or an ancient navy blue plain down parka. Salt of the earth dude. You would never know he was a big wheel in construction. Ralph Lauren very grounded too. Big ranch near Ridgway. He remembered me from shopping in Montrose years before which impressed me. I sold him white Levi's and a white denim Levi shirt for a BBQ he was throwing at the ranch. We would talk cars. He had supercars but my favorite was a '69 Mustang coupe, baby blue with a white vinyl top. Reminded me of my Mom's Mary Tyler Moore plain Jane '70 'stang only Ralph's had a 351 Cleveland and Carroll Shelby's signatures on the glove box and clear coated on the trunk edge. Ambassador Holbrook was a genius. He made me guess who he was as I had no clue. Took me weeks of 20 questions while he would be putting his gear on. Finally his wife had to give me a hint, said he worked in the government. He could speak extemporaneously for any length of time. Saw a 40 minute speech he gave to the U.N. on TV. His son said his notes for that were 4 bullet points on a 3x5 card.
    For the hockey crowd, I worked with a guy who recently passed away who was Stan Mikita's cousin. He said Stan wasn't blood, had been adopted.
    Cheers

  • Oroborous
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    It’s funny how many people recall meeting celebrities and comment on how they were shorter than expected. Besides Phil, the Dead was kinda like that the few times I was around them (not on stage).

    DENNIS: nice! Hey, you know us, so, that and a dollar might get ya a up of coffee ; )

    DEADMIKE: nice to see ya, hope your 42 comes soon! Think I have the poster you mention. I have it as part of a collage on about a 10’ by 20’ wall in our stairwell. The one with Phil sporting the SYF weed shirt and JG in pig tails? Think I got it back in the seventies in High School?

    CROW: great story “ and I left her mad ass there by the side of the road”.

    HF: sounds awesome! That’s the spirit, forward, never straight!

    AJ: you shoulda just casually said “Hi Mr Hasslehoff as you passed by lol.
    Hey, I told ya the AVs weren’t THAT good. Feeling it’s going to be a real series, gulp.
    And if they do make it to the cup finals, boy yer right about Kucherov and the Bolts. It’s like they keep getting a little better the farther the go in the playoffs!

    ISTSHOW: I know of what you speak. Worked “guest service” work for ten years: Golf resorts in the summer hotel Doorman, Bellman and Ski Valet in the winter. One of our favorite pastimes was mocking out clueless rich folk wearing the old one piece snow suits with un PC names I can’t repeat nowadays lol. For years folks had bumper stickers that read “Dick Chaney skis in jeans” (the ultimate insult at posh resorts) after his secret service guys abused and arrested some dude for simply shit talking him in Beaver Creek, Douche! I thought there was this thing called free speech?
    Used to see the Fords a lot as they lived there, they were always nice. Later in life Jerry would sometimes do interviews on the deck/patio at our hotel, and his secret service guys would stay there when in town. We’d sometimes get to know the regular SS guys a little.
    The Giffords used to live up here too. Guy I used to work with worked at their house a few times. Said Cathy Lee was usually nice and would usually just be hanging around the pool sipping cocktails. Frank came to the hotel once when I was doorman, asked where Tramonti restaurant was, I pointed and said right there (about 20’ through the small lobby under a prominent sign that said “Tramonti” lol.
    First thing I learned about rich folks: many are pretty clueless as they’ve had everything done for them their whole lives. They always seemed to be losing everything: their skis, golf clubs, shoes, cars, you name it!
    But generally I’ve found people come in two general classes: ones that give a shit, and assholes. All walks of life, social class, race, celebrities, you name it. After ten years of dealing with ALL kinds of folks, to me, that’s what it comes down to.

  • That Mike
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    Jack, you are right - all of Florida is learning Kucherov’s name. He is a remarkable talent. I expected more fight from the Panthers, but they could not get the inside of the offensive zone. Tampa Bay turned their amps up to 11.

    HF - Welcome back, sounds like an absolutely awesome trip. Muscles tired in the best way possible, a humble run against nature, and some fine company and provisions to make it memorable.

    I agree 100% on the feedback on this latest Stones live release, the El Mocambo (a fine club that has reopened again). They sound engaged, rested, revitalized with Ronnie on board, and despite Keef being in the throws of his smack habit, the musicianship is absolutely crackling. I’ve mentioned here before I knew a guy in high school that won a radio promo to see the opening band (April Wine), and he thought it was going to just be a night out, hear a half decent band, have some ales, enjoy. But then the Stones came on - sometimes, you are in exactly the right spot at exactly the right time! This release is up there with Ya Yas and Brussels for sheer quality.

    VGuy - Gerard Gallant a finalist for Coach of the Year (actually, the kiss of death) > why was it the Knights dumped him again??? Kinda a Leaf move!

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    Margo Timmins - I have met her as well. She is awesome.

    Regarding short people. About 10 years ago were were at a restaurant for my wife's birthday and Alec Baldwin walked in and sat two tables away from us. One of our friends says, "That is Alec Baldwin." Half of us disagreed because he was so small. It's well known how prickly he can be so nobody wanted to approach him and say, "Hello." Since it was my wife's birthday I offered to do it. I simply said that I will walk over there and say the following, "I'm sorry to interrupt your dinner Mr. Hassellhoff, but it is my wife's birthday and she would like to say Hello. Would that be O.K?"

    She made us leave.

  • hendrixfreak
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    I'm baaaack...

    Great, er, trip... Little Snake is seldom rafted, probably because it runs only for 4-6 weeks in spring, then becomes a sand box. Big 28 mile first day, 18 each on second and third days. Popped a well-stocked cap of psylocibin on first day and had time and the heart to reflect on my 20-year journey with my recently departed pal, Zoe. Was able to convert the blubbering grief into warm love and thanks to the universe for her companionship and sense of humor. Let's face it: I got lucky. What a time we had together. (Thanks to Crow and PT for your recent comments...)

    Late on the first day we stopped at a grassy spot among endless high desert thorn trees at around 5pm, having done the planned 24 miles for the day. My buddy Rob insisted that we use the remaining daylight to go another 4.5 miles and break the back of the 64 miles we had to paddle on this trip. Of course, we shove off and, suddenly, 25-30 mph winds kick up and freezing rain falls and the river is all white caps and sea foam. At one point we had to hold onto shoreline willows to keep from being blown back upstream... Amazingly, we covered the 4.5 miles in just over an hour, hunched into the wind, digging in with our paddles. A real physical challenge but I managed a few maniacal laughs as the rain stung my face. We would not be denied. Man, the whiskey and Indica tasted good that night. Lots of bald eagles, vultures (my favorite), great blue herons, coyotes, elk, swimming deer, swallows, meadowlarks, redwing blackbirds. A spiritual renewal when needed most. We saw one human in 64 miles. The morning after the first day, we were loading the boats (inflatable pack rafts, 6-7 feet long, 3 feet wide -- try that in big water!), by an old antique ferry -- a single one-inch cable strung across 50 yards of fast moving water. The "box" was ancient and unsturdy and rolled on two wheels sitting atop the cable. We wondered how many years it had been since a person used it. Then a sheepherder arrives in a truck, climbs in and rolls 3/4 of the way across the river (he probably couldn't swim if he dropped into the drink) then uses a tool he carried to winch himself the rest of the way to the opposite shore, jumps out and waves to our cheers, jumps on a waiting ATV and rides off to work on the ranch on the opposite shore. Second day we encounter a four foot drop-off -- actually two within a half mile -- at a bridge over the river with standing waves as high as our heads and we did fine. Then a river-wide pour-off of similar stature, then camp before the wind killed us. Third day, we entered the river's lower gorge and joyfully rode the Class II rapids through a 7-8 mile gorge devoid of human traces. (Definitely going back to that gorge!) Anyway, we had a time of it, smoking doobies and hitting the flask. And just in time, as extreme winds hit Colorado yesterday and today south of Denver we're expecting a classic spring snowstorm. Tonight: playing blues with a few buddies who knew Zoe. A celebration of life, as it should be. Zoe's resting easy in a silk tapestry under a couple of paving stones in the back garden and I'm turning the page..... Shoulders still sore but I'm back home with my guitars and a real bed.

  • deadmike
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    Still waiting in Sweden ...

    I have read what some of you have written, about the alternative tracking number, if it ends with CH, which my package does. I don't understand why it's being sent to Switzerland instead of Sweden? I found it on the Asendia site though but only that they had recieved information about the package.

    I recieved a shipping e-mail on April 26th. Package was recieved in Fontana, CA on May 3rd, it was processed on May 6th and processed again by an international carrier on May 11th. So I guess it will arrive in Sweden around May 25th, perhaps, even though I have never undestood why it is taken so long.
    When I order GarciaLive albums I get the packages in about maximum three weeks but more often less time than that. So how come Dave's Picks packages take that much longer to arrive in Sweden?

    Btw, I have a poster of the Dead framed on a wall in my living room. It's from June 9th or 10th 1973. I have a tape of the latter since the mid-80's but would love to have an official album from both dates.
    I bought the poster in San Francisco in August or September 1986, so I have had it for a long time.

    Micke Östlund,
    Växjö, Sweden

  • Sixtus_
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    Morpheus

    ....I once ran into Laurence Fishburne on 18th Street in Washington, DC.
    He was shorter than I had expected.

    Sixtus

  • PT Barnum
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    Vangelis Papathanassiou

    Better know by his first name, passed away yesterday, he was 79. Loved those albums he made with Jon Anderson of Yes, The Friends of Mr. Cairo comes to mind. Jon and Vangelis made several albums together and they are all very good. He also was big in movie soundtracks back in the 80's. Via con Dios.

  • Dennis
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    I know no one....

    ..... except the fine people here on the forum.

    NEVER met anyone.

    But I do have high friends in low places.

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One more Saturday night at Winterland! Yes, we're back to home base for DAVE'S PICKS VOLUME 42, the complete show from Winterland, San Francisco, 2/23/74. The one that featured the earliest amalgamation of what would soon become the Wall of Sound, the one that is so "loud, clear, and defined," it's been ripe for release for quite some time and we're glad it's finally getting its due.

First set or second, there are no wrong answers here. From the unique show opener of Chuck Berry's "Around And Around" and an incredible "Here Comes Sunshine" that would then disappear for 18 years, to a medley of WAKE OF THE FLOOD tracks - "Row Jimmy," "Weather Report Suite," and "Stella Blue" - cementing their status in the canon and an unstoppable hour through the classic 1973-1974 Dead that is “He’s Gone”>“Truckin’”>“Drums”>“The Other One”>“Eyes Of The World,” it's all exceptionally hot.

Limited to 25,000 numbered copies, DAVE’S PICKS VOLUME 42: WINTERLAND, SAN FRANCISCO, 2/23/74 was recorded by Kidd Candelario and has been mastered to HDCD specs by Jeffrey Norman at Mockingbird Mastering. Grab a copy while you can.

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Ordered already !!!

Awesome, I’ve been asking for 3-9-81 for years. Hope all the shows get Plangentized.

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Ordered mine before breakfast! I know everyone isn't into the 80's. Personally I like all the years. Like the St. Louis box, it will be interesting to note changes from year to year, although they may not be as pronounced as the Louis box.

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One of the FIRST shows on cassette I ever got.

Well done, PTB. Well done.

:)))

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I havn't bought it yet, but it looks like a good one. The Dead played great in those years. I'll buy it eventually, I don't believe it will sell out that fast.

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Sounds like an oxymoron to me, but who cares!! It’s primal 1969, JUST before 1970, which we ALL(well, almost all) have been clamoring for!! I simply CANNOT WAIT to unwrap this and push play!!

Thanks Dave, Music is the Best!!

Why bother considering yourself a Deadhead in the first place? Labels are for jerks. As has been said-music is the best - not all the crap that goes with it.

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Hey rockers,

I am a major deadhead. Saw shows in the 1981-1983 era. That was then, this is now. The new box does NOTHING for me. So what does that make me? LOL! If others like it, great!

Me, I'm saving my $$$ for next years Banana Box Box Set: Fillmore West February 1970 complete.

Do I have 1968-1972 blinders on? You bet. No apologies, no explanations........

And for all you Pigpen/Lovelight haters out there, remember this: No Pigpen, no Grateful Dead.

Rock on,

Doc
Bee to the blossom, moth to the flame; Each to his passion; what's in a name?

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38 years ago today I was at the Greek Theatre to see the Dead. I don't remember much about the show because 7/13/84 was what 1984 was all about. Doc, that Fillmore West box sounds fantastic, I believe your right, next year is the year it happens.

I certainly don't hate Pigpen, but I don't think everything he did was wonderful. Lovelight would have been great to me without the raps. Longer than 15 minutes and it over stayed it's welcome for me . Hard To Handle, on the other hand, was invariably great - all groove and no nonsense.

it’s not hate vs love, it’s pure and simple burnout!
I’ve been listening to too much Dead for over 45 years!
Some things I used to love I now have to be in the mood for. It’s that simple.
I won’t list the main culprits Randy cause I’m sure it will incite a shit wind we don’t want or need to blow!
But, for instance, I’d probably be good if I never heard another me & my uncle again lol, but that doesn’t mean that on the right occasion it won’t get me grooving. So it’s not so much the song as it is I’ve just heard it too much (besides the Dead I used to play it in a band EVERY NIGHT, sometimes twice!, for many years).
I’m with Daverock about Dark Star vs LL. Since DS is often more modal and or free form, thus not so repetitive etc, versus LL is basically a blues pattern that they improvise over, it’s just naturally more repetitive. And I love Pig, but his shtick too can be very repetitive and thus get old. Plus I’m not 16 anymore so it doesn’t resonate quite as much. Like it was mind blowing the first times on my teenage peanut brain, but now…
Thus, to me, after all these years, it can sometimes get very tedious listening to something that long and repetitive.
To be clear, this does not mean I don’t like it, I’m just burned out on it, big difference.
And like any song, “Sometimes you get shown the light…”
I only bring this up because I feel like there’s a good contingent out there that feels the same, or not?
And I think sometimes here, like the rest of the world, things just get to damn binary.
I mean we’re all supposed to be DHs on the same team loving the same band. Of course everyone is entitled to their opinions etc, it’s just sometimes the tone used is a bummer.
I liked how Doc gave his strong opinion, but without insulting anyone. It can be done.
But, as stated, that’s just what moi thinks, so probably meaningless lol.
Be Kind! Ain’t no time to hate.

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It's ok to love things others don't, and it's ok to not like things others love. That's the benefit of being free to be you, you can dig what you want and disregard the rest.

As far as dead burnout, if you listen long enough to anything it can get old and stale. Not to mention, there is a ton of great stuff out there that you will miss if you listen to nothing but dead. When I feel like listening to the dead, I dive in and groove, and when I don't, there are hundreds of other choices on the shelf. I do know from past experience, that just because a release doesn't really strike me as fantastic when it is announced, it doesn't mean I won't jones hard for it later if I pass on picking it up, so it's easier to just get nearly everything they release as I rarely have a case of buyers' remorse, but I have had to pay a premium to pick up stuff I passed on when it was first released.

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…Between Love And Hate, so sayeth the song of that title. I get burned out on bands repeatedly. That’s why I love having a super varied music collection. Burned out on A?? I think I’ll play B, G, or X. I’m seriously impressed at how much Dead some of you folks listen to, I just thrive on variety. So to each their own, that’s why they make chocolate AND vanilla!!

I won’t disparage anyone’s tastes or bands they like/love. I don’t have time for that. And like DAVEROCK says, why do I have to put a label on it?? I play it, love it, and then play something else. The Dead happen to be one of my favorite bands, who I happen to own hundreds of releases by, But damn, I need so much more. Having said that, I am SUPER stoked for #43!!

Music just happens to be the Best!!

The latter is overrated, the former is precious. Life may be sweeter for this, I don't know...

I do know one thing, we need less hate and more love. Be yourselves but don't get sucked towards the hate magnet. That's about as GD and I can write.

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So I know this is off topic ;D but regarding Dave's Picks... Dave- I'm ever-grateful to get to hear this music but can you PLEASE give us the shows as they were performed instead of mixing them together (#43 is an especially jumbled mess).

Thank you.

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I also would prefer releases have the show in original sequence, with any bonus content at one end or the other of the main show of the release rather than interspersed throughout. I'd rather pay for an extra disc to keep the sequence intact, rather than to chop it up to fit on three discs. I suspect that this may be the minority view based on past discussions about bonus content and out of sequence songs.

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Realizing just now that the illustrious VGuy waltzed right past me last night in row 22 at Red Rocks!

I appreciated his "Make America Grateful Again" t-shirt at the time, he must not have seen my House of Guitars tee or I know he would have stopped for a fist bump!

Next I get to stroll down to the mailbox to pick up DP 43 (no shipping notice, but I got the heads up from my account with USPS- pro tip).

Let the good times roll! And now back to your regularly scheduled Gathering Flowers For The Master's Bouquet...

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So I've got Your Picks Vol. 43 in my hands and CD player. Cool music.... BUT...

I ask you, sir--is this how YOU listen to these shows? The first 9 songs of 11/2/69, then the 5 songs from 12/26/69, then 4 songs from 11/2, then 11 songs from 12/26??

If yes, then I don't feel you really appreciate the experience of live Dead--how each show is a unique event and piece of musical art, how each show has a rhythm and a story all its own. (This is WHY so many of us spend thousands of dollars buying these very shows on CD when we are content with just getting the best studio releases from other artists we love.)

If this is NOT how you would listen to these shows, and you do enjoy and appreciate listening to a show as it was performed, then you are not really respecting the rest of us who want to listen to the shows in that way but don't have the privilege of access to GD's vaults.

You make great choices of shows-- just let us listen to them as Jerry intended please. It's doable. Every single box set release does it.

Thanks!

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I’m really enjoying this release, some new songs for me…Seasons of my Heart and Gathering Flowers…Plus two more Dark Stars, Yum.
Nice archival newspaper clips about Live Dead.
The sound is great too, big thanks to Owsley for our now-future enjoyment.

Also if coupled with Dave’s Picks 6 we have11/2, 12/20, 12/21, 12/26 1969 and 2/2 1970.
For the song/show playing sequence I’ll quote Jerry from the 11/2 show:-) “this evening is fraught with difficulties, absolutely fraught with difficulties”

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What do these have in common?

Led Zeppelin
Pink Floyd
Moody Blues
Rolling Stones
King Crimson
Motorhead
Sex Pistols
Sweet
ELP
ELO
The Who

Identify the commonality in these artists and you win!

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The builders of my townhouse made a slanted roof with planters.

The bar holding them in place at the angle should be held by 10 bolts.

How many bolts did they actually install?

Six.

That leads to pains in the tookess, people.

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I can't believe people are griping about the song order. There is no reason to waste space on another CD, just to have the songs in order. Add another disc and then a contingency will complain there is only a half hour of music on one CD, and they want bonus tracks. Or that Dark Star / St Stephen / The Eleven was divided over two discs. While cost may be no problem for you, it is for others. Go buy a CD changer and program the tracks in the correct order.

To say Lemieux is disrectful to the fans for this is a gross stretch of reality. It is because he respects rhe fans that he did this. It is easy to see he loves the fans and is eager to get great music to us. And you insult him. That us the problem with your post. Yes you are entitled to your opinion. No you are not entitled to throw accusations and make people feel bad. You owe an apology.

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Who hears repeated dropouts on vocals in this #42 set especially disc 2? (see reports of such on-line elsewhere)?

Seem to be a characteristic of 1974 shows. But the funny thing is...it's never Donna who seems to be dropped out. You would think they might wipe some of her triumphant screams off the end of the Playing jams. Blame it on the reels.

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