WHAT'S INSIDE:
Madison Square Garden 3/9/81
Madison Square Garden 3/10/81
Madison Square Garden 9/20/82
Madison Square Garden 9/21/82
Madison Square Garden 10/11/83
Madison Square Garden 10/12/83
Newly restored and speed-corrected audio by Plangent Processes
Mastered by Jeffrey Norman
Liners by award-winning music journalist David Fricke
Artwork by Dave Van Patten
Individually Numbered, Limited Edition Of 12,500
“Welcome to the unique, enduring phenomenon of the Grateful Dead in New York City, a mutual devotion, forged in concert, that ran for nearly as long as the band itself—from June 1, 1967, a free show in Tompkins Square Park on the Lower East Side (ahead of the band’s official, local bow at the Cafe Au Go Go), to the Dead’s last Garden run, six nights in October 1994…the Dead’s affinity for New York City…was instant and arguably their most profound with any city aside from San Francisco.” - David Fricke
They got on the bus to the Port Authority, rode in on the Long Island Railroad and the New Jersey Transit line. They traveled North, South, and West on the 1, 2, and 3 subway lines, their numbers growing as they descended upon Penn Station. Some rolled up in those iconic New York yellows. Some walked excitedly through the bright lights of Broadway and Times Square, meeting up with old friends on the way and picking up a few new ones too as they ascended The Garden's stairs. Maybe you were among them - lightly buzzed on the way in, fully aglow on the way home. New York City was in its prime and damn if the Grateful Dead wasn't going to rise up to meet it! If you were there, we call on you to join us as we recapture that MSG magic and if you weren't, we invite you along on the epic journey that is IN AND OUT OF THE GARDEN: MADISON SQUARE GARDEN '81 '82 '83.
Numbered and limited-edition to 12,500, this 17CD set celebrates the band’s rich history at “the world’s most famous arena,” introducing six previously unreleased shows recorded at MSG between 1981 and 1983. It offers a front-row seat to the Dead in the early 1980s, an overlooked and underestimated era of rebirth for the band. At the time of the recordings, the group featured Brent Mydland. Mydland’s vocal power and colorful keyboard palette energized the band, invigorating older material like “The Wheel,” “Truckin’” and “Eyes of The World.” He also gave the band more musical flexibility, which encouraged them to dust off rarely aired treasures like “Dupree’s Diamond Blues” and “Crazy Fingers.”
IN AND OUT OF THE GARDEN touches on the three-year period after 1980’s GO TO HEAVEN was released, a time when the Dead were constantly on the road, playing more than 200 dates. While they were in no rush to return to the studio during this time, they continued to write new music. In 1982 and ’83, the band performed most of the songs that would appear on 1987’s IN THE DARK. The new collection includes performances of four songs from that album – “Touch Of Grey,” “Hell In A Bucket,” “Throwing Stones,” and “West L.A. Fadeaway” – plus the B-side, “My Brother Esau.”
Due September 23rd, IN AND OUT OF THE GARDEN comes in a custom box featuring new artwork by Dave Van Patten celebrating the band’s eclectic fanbase, with a cavalcade of illustrated Dead Heads. The collection also includes detailed liner notes by award-winning music journalist David Fricke, who explores the band’s connection to the Big Apple. It features newly restored and speed-corrected audio by Plangent Processes, mastered by Jeffrey Norman.
Thanks everybody!
Thanks all, for such thoughtful commentary on the tapes, and bias, and eras, and tours, and years, and, and, and, and....I knew this was the place to drop the question. Can't wait for the new box to arrive!
Anybody Who Complains About The Way The Shows Sound
I'm more than happy to refer them to our old friend Caveat Emptor. These tapes simply weren't made with commercial expectations in mind.
Box Sets
The marketing of Box Sets has definitely varied through the years, but I don't think they have ever been marketed like Dicks Picks, which were all two track recordings or cassette masters. Some had the old caveat emptor, while others talked up how good the recordings were (see Dick's #33).
Box Sets to Date:
2005-Filmore West 69-Multi Track. $79.99
2007-Winterland 73-Two Track. First use of Plangent. $99.99
2009-Winterland 77-Two Track. $99.99
2010-The Warlocks-Multi Track. $68.99
2011-Eurpoe 72-Multi Track. $450.
2012-Spring 1990. Recorded in Multi Track. They used the Cutler two track down mix.$199
2013-Spring 1977-Two Track. $139
2014-Spring 1990 The Other One-Multi-Track. $229
2015-30 Trips-Two-Track, cassette masters and Multi Track.$699
2016-July 1978-Two Track. $139
2017-GSTL 1977-Two Track. $139
2017-RFK Stadium-Multi-Track. $64.99
2018-PNW-Two Track. $189
2019-Giants Stadium-Multi Track for the 89 and 91 shows. I am not sure about the 87 show. $159 for Blu Ray edition.
2020-June 1976-Two Track. $149
2021-LTTR-Two Track. $199
2022-MSG 81-83. We are all assuming Cassette masters, but I don't know if they disclosed this. "Newly restored and speed corrected audio. "$179.
Source Tapes
Nice source tape information for the box sets DeadVikes, I was curious, but not enough to check them all and see.
Currently spinning DP 6 for a little taste of '83 in anticipation of this box.
Good Job DV!
Appreciate this, going to copy and save.
Now for extra credit, lol, how bout tape type (reel, cassette, dat etc), size and speed lol, for the truly anal!
(Ya know, most of us! ; )
Oh, and good job to all!
Great posts, nice variety of angles and I think I agreed with all!
Yep, like the Bromberg song, “don’t let the glasses fool ya”
Dares gooey gold in dum thar tapes!
Gainesville: The Matrix Edition
Movie trailer -
Camera pans over to a VW Bus, doors open, smoke billows out, Neo falls to the parking lot (Fast Times At Ridgemont High style) and gets up.
Neo: “Whoooah” (looks at watch) “Morpheus, it’s 4:20 pm on 11-29-80 and I’m in the parking lot of Alligator Alley Gym in Gainesville. What’s the mission?”
Morpheus: “Neo, you need to find the Oracle.”
Neo: “What does the Oracle look like?”
Morpheus: “Look for a guy with long hair wearing a tie dye shirt.”
Neo: “Seriously? There’s a couple of thousand guys here that look like that. How will I know which one is the Oracle?”
Morpheus: “He will say the password as the two of you pass by each other.”
Neo: “What’s the password?”
Morpheus: “Doses.”
Neo: “Doses?!”
Morpheus: “Yes, doses. Just walk around the parking lot with a smile on your face and he will find you.”
Neo wanders around the parking lot, checking out all the wares that are for sale, the drum circle, buys a kynd veggie burrito from a hippie chick named Trinity, then encounters one of the many Oracles working the lot that day.
Neo: “Morpheus, I found a dude who claimed he was an Oracle, he sold me a sheet for $50 and advised me to eat 2 because they were small. I’m starting to feel tingly and my peripheral vision is getting distorted. Do you think that it’s a disturbance in the Matrix? Could it be Agent Smith coming to bust me?”
Morpheus: “No Neo, not a disturbance in the Matrix, you’re doing just fine. When all the people start walking into the building just follow them in, you already have a ticket for GA floor in your pocket. Have a good time, for it is in there that you will find enlightenment.”
Neo: “Thanks Morpheus.”
Morpheus: “No need to thank me Neo, for you will thank yourself when you exit the building after the show. And then you will see coolers full of beer and ice, riding around on skateboards. Make sure to buy one, for it will taste great.”
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Coming soon (hopefully) to a CD player near you:
Gainesville: The Matrix Edition
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Dave, you have to do it now.
Re: Gainesville
Soundboard for the second set only.. So I guess someone needs to find the soundboard for the first set. You know they made one and it must exist somewhere... Otherwise we get a killer audience first set and a matrix second set ala Dave's Picks 8? I assume that's the hold-up with this.
Great story btw Cone Kid. Don't tell me this town aint got no heart
Thank you for the story, Icecream
I remember the first time I heard that Oracle guy doing the ventriloquist act with "doses"
It kind of scared me at the time...
I was buddies with one of “those” guys…
until he got popped by the feds : (
Great story Conekid, made me feel like I was there again!
But it begs the point: What aaaa-bout GAINSVILLE, tap tap tap (sound of foot taping!)
New Research
Just saw there was new research recently published in Experimental Neurology that "provides some inititial evidence that the psychedelic substance known as LSD has nootropic properties. The study found that LSD increased markers of neuroplasticity in human brain organoids, increased novelty preference in rats, and improved memory performance in humans." Generally, the researchers seem to have found several positive effects from LSD in the days after the trip. I'm sure a number of us have done our own extensive research on the subject.
Given the increasing volume of research showing tremendous potential benefits from psychedelics in the treatment of PTSD, anxiety, and intractable depression, the modern prohibition regime looks worse and worse.
Neuroplasticity
I read that article too.
My new favorite word, neuroplasticity. Great name for a band.
What happened to "that" buddy, Oro?
20 years?
Or just "you naughty man, shame on you."
ConeKid ForTheWin
Instant Classic.
Indeed, the elusive Gainesville.
I in all honesty enjoy the killer aud over the soundboard for this one.
I wonder how many times Gainesville has been uttered on these here boards over the years....
Be Well People!
Sixtus
P.S. Totally agree on The Research
Some got six months, some got one solid
Well PF, he got into the dead a little too much (hey stop throwing things!) which led to swinging sheets, and eventually got perhaps too known? Anywho ended up selling to the feds in a hotel room on camera etc. Not sure what his sentence was, but he did a few years in federal prison I believe up your way one where? Oregon maybe?
Haven’t spoke to him in at least 15 years.
My cousin let him stay at his house, when he got out, but not sure what or where he’s up too these days?
Maybe back WNY, I know he was pretty bummed, actually, the dude was always kinda pissed off lol, I know he really wanted to go back to the NW but couldn’t leave NY, which is weird, because I think he got snagged in Cali.
Me, nope, 99% of the time I never did any illicit things of THAT nature on tour.
Mmmmmaaaayyyybbbeee ? that one time at a rest stop on Thruway before 10/20/84 carrier dome show, call it community service ; ) many people were smiling!
I was always amazed that people...
would offer such specialized wares for sale to complete strangers in a very public place.
THAT guy was in a hotel, but still...some people take bigass risks.
I have taken a few risks in my time, but nothing bigass like being an "oracle" wink wink nudge nudge. More like "ok, you got that part covered, so let's go for it".
Use your imaginations, folks...
Come to think of it, that was a bigass risk
Amen brother!
Sometimes I start thinking bout things, and well, a testimony I guess on how relatively cool things were much of the time, and how lucky most of us were. There were definitely a handful of times that things could of gone completely sideways. 🫣
Risks
Sometimes it's hard to really appreciate the nature or gravity of the risk until it's too late and you are reaping the consequences or escaping catastrophic consequences by the proverbial skin of your teeth. And other times, you just say fuck it, and live your life without regard to the potential consequences, but that is far easier when you are young and unencumbered.
List of Box Sets
Thanks, Dead Vikes for the list of box sets, their tape sources, AND their original GD Store prices. I had forgotten the price I paid for the Fillmore West 1969 box.
I have most of the except both Spring 1990 boxes and the RFK 1989 & Giants 1987-88-89 boxes.
The Shipping News
Neither here nor there, but I post this only because WB/Rhino/deadnet finally responded today to my inquiry about international shipping. Basically, the new higher fee is correct, they stated it was supposed to be brought in with the St Lou box. After converting Cdn pesos into USD$$, it is beyond reasonable to pay the international shipping fee on top off the merchandise, especially when door to door delivery is easily 15-16 calendar days, like it went from California to the Sea of Tranquility.
When I receive DaP 44 per subscription, I will be folding my tent. Them is the breaks. Just thought all the international customers might like to know for fact what we always assumed was right.
Goodbye Dead.net
I worked out a while ago they weren’t going to fix this.Never mind it is several multiples of what every other retailer ,including associated businesses such as Rhino and Neil Young’s Greedy Hand store,charge for international shipping on similar sized items.
No matter I already have plenty of Dead to listen to and some other business will get my money.I wish Dead.net falling sales and a limited future.Goodbye.
Screwed the Pooch
I think Rhino either didn't think this through completely or made a calculated business decision understanding it might tank international sales. Too bad, a big mistake.
More Dead is a good thing, it hurts to see people denied access because of where they purchase.
A travesty. Rant over, as you were.
Shipping blues
The part that I think is most telling and lame is that Rhino ships similar items by other artists overseas still at normal pricing? Seems like they don’t want to deal with our DH friends across the water?
Dammit Daverock ya scared then off (just teasing of course!)
And if that’s not bad enough, it will probably hurt sales of this box, which will lead some to blame it on “the 80s”, which sucks now that we actually got some : (
Shipping farce
I imagine that dead.net don't give a shit if they lose all their international customers. They know exactly the percentage of international customers who subscribe to Dave's Picks for instance. It will be a very small number, almost certainly less than 5%. All Dave's Picks releases sell out within days. Without international customers they would probably take just a few days more to sell out. They wouldn't lose any revenue, not a cent. With box sets they may decide to produce a few percent less copies and increase the price by a few percent to offset the loss of international customers. Would US customers then stop buying the box sets? Would they even notice? Probably not, with no disrespect to our American friends. Rhino and dead.net exist to make money, not to be nice to people.
I will wait and see how big…
I will wait and see how big a box set this and how heavy it weighs when I have received it and then work out the postage charges for shipping the same size package back,this will then be a fair estimation of if I have been overcharged.
On the Discogs site for sometime now the increased postage charges have made it a no go for me at least when importing from the USA. The most painful part of all of this is the dreaded the import taxes that always increase, we need a UK based business to ease the pain of the postage and taxes.
It's a Box. Be afraid. Be very afraid.
Oro-I think it's more a case of deadnet scaring me off. How much did you say those shipping costs were?!
$70US
For the person below the international postage charge is $70US.
I calculated that for that amount I have had 18 different packages sent from Importcds the US to Australia in the past years including 5 box sets.
I had 2 box sets weighing in total considerably more than Listen To The River sent from Germany to Australia for under $20US.
This is a scam by someone but Dead.net don’t care.
I feel for fellow posters in…
I feel for fellow posters in European jurisdictions where VAT +++ comes in to play. Here in Canada, due to the USMC Free Trade Agreement (aka NAFTA 2), I thankfully don’t get the onerous duty fees and taxes on importing the box. However, I’ll still get stuck with a $70 USD delivery fee, and for my friends in the US who don’t have to concern themselves with converting their local currency into USD$$, the delivery charge becomes out of this world inflated. Ridiculous, too, because I’m a short drive to the border in a populous urban area, not an outback, and delivery speed from There To Here is beyond ridiculous due to…just sheer phucing laziness of the mail services. For $70, you’d expect it hand delivered with a smile and a tip of the cap.
Anyway, I accept it for what it is. The international buyer is likely a very small percentage of the dead.not customer base, and let’s be honest, why would they care? There are lots of musical acts and artists in the sea.
What I will miss most, however, are the great bunch of posters on this site, people I really would hit it off with well were we neighbours; a good bunch of folks.
A pox on WB/Rhino/dead.not
Say it ain’t so Mr Mike
I get not paying exorbitant fees, but it sounds like your not going to hang with us anymore : (
Just because one doesn’t buy the products, doesn’t mean ya can’t hang out and make us laugh and smile, and hey, where else will be a source for all things MacGyver; )
I think I can speak for others and say that we truly hope you stick around!
Two wrongs don’t make a right, so withholding your fine contributions is only making the unfortunate situation worse!
Besides, who’s going to keep up with Angry Jack about in the know NHL info!
Who’s going to be my personal Jazz concierge?
So perhaps phuc the man, but not us ; )
Amen DR!
Oro
(Blushing) You! You Oro! How can I say no?
I guess you’re right, I can still stick around for that! It’s like a fraternity here, no matter where you live, we all attended Dead U, and humbly wear our Stealie colours proudly! Hell ya!
Still, a big pox on The Man!
Fun jazz fact I just learned: Jazz guitarist Mike Stern (who has some pretty decent solo releases, plus will be heard on the upcoming Miles Davis Bootleg Volume 7) is a something-something cousin to the infamous and original “It Girl” Edie Sedgwick, who made her bones as Andy Warhol’ s muse, and was Dylan’s supposed squeeze for awhile (“Leopard Skin Pillbox Hat” was written for her). The Sedgwicks, of course, including Kevin Bacon’s wife, are one very intriguing old New England family rife with money, suicide, mental breakdowns, drug and alcohol issues (see Edie), and general bad behaviour. It turns out Mike Stern’s father was a member of this ignominious family.
this is exactly what its all about...
excellent stories about people and music. Edie and Andy, yes, there's lots more dark, twisted and juicy stuff there. Now I have to go pull Mike Stern CDs out, he's been around, up and down, he can play mean and sweet. Good music for this afternoons thunderstorm. The ridiculous international shipping charges piss me off enough, no soup for me... have checked out these shows on the various resonant frequencies. This is far from the music company I returned to support 30 years ago, getting back on the bus with Dicks Picks, but at least they allow us this board to voice our thoughts.
“Aaaa, aaa, who wants a Fresca!”
That’s the spirit Mike!
Like my old departed Booze brother Keeko used to say, “ joke em if they can’t take a #$*(‘jfdg! “
Fraternity, I like that, the Loyal Order of WaterBuffalo DH chapter.
With special guests Anne Margrock and Jimmie Onielstone.
Oooo, Sedgwick’s sound like fun lol. Something to get high and google ; )
Now name that quote and “upon your deathbed you will receive divine continuousness”
Mike & Edie
original “It Girl” Edie Sedgwick,
Sorry but I think you need to look at Clara Bow for the original "it" girl! :-)
International shipping
Can you get your box delivered to someone in the US and then they forward it on to you? Postage costs will be less and if they mark the customs label 'gift' and value $5 say then there's no taxes to pay. It's worked for me many times.
Shipping
The odd thing is I just looked on Rhino for comparable size box sets and international shipping was $15.99. I always thought shipping costs were to low here. But $70 seems excessive. Plus as noted below shipping costs have increased across the board but not as much as here.
They call this customer service?
On July 19 I sent a mail to customer service querying the $70 international shipping charge. I finally got this reply on August 4:
"Your email has come to my attention and I apologize for the tardiness of this response.
I am so sorry this issue has not been resolved yet.
We are looking into the increased shipping and handling charges on your order and will update you again as soon as possible.
Thank you for your continued patience."
Now, 4 weeks later I replied to this non-answer to see if they had finally come up with a proper answer and got an instant response that said:
"Thank you for your email.
This is an automated message.
The email address you sent your recent message to is no longer being monitored."
Really I cannot be arsed to pursue this any further.
(non) US Blues
It's ironic that all this shipping nonsense came up on this box. I bought it, of course, but I live in the land of USPS dysfunction. It's ironic that the shipping blues presented itself on perhaps the one box set many can do without. And I say that as a person that bought it and am looking forward to it.
Something is awry.
In England..
...it seems as though everything is going awry, not just the shipping costs with deadnet. Brexit, Covid, climate change, the war in Ukraine.... consequences are being felt. If I was to list them all, this would be a very long post indeed.
You got that right DaveRock
Strange times.. all we can do is be ourselves.
Old obscure SNL sketch but I remember it
Lily Tomlin plays a telephone operator (old days operator). She is talking to the camera just like in the commercials.
She randomly unplugs a connection plug. Non chalantly and smiling she says, "Oops. We just lost Peoria."
I always think of that when I hear tales of "your call is imoortant to us" and then the crickets choir starts. And keeps on going
Lilly T.
The telephone operator was one of her best skits. A stock number that she had down to a science. May have seen it even earlier than Laugh In. She is a genius of comedy. The punch line at the end was appropriate for this comment section currently. "We're the phone company. (there was only ONE back then) We don't care. We don't have to."
Cheers
Edit: A little positive vibe, or prayer if you will, for her buddy Jane F. who announced her cancer last week. Good odds on that one though. I had a low grade of it for 11 years and it has been gone or dormant for 11 years now. Sure focuses one on appreciating what you have or just being thankful more often.
We're the Phone Company...
Remember the movie "the president's analyst".
They had a phone company connection.
Ugh, an odd shaped box that…
Ugh, an odd shaped box that won't fit anywhere.