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    A sealed, unlabeled box sat undisturbed for decades on a shelf in the Grateful Dead’s San Rafael tape vault on Front Street, its contents an enduring mystery, even to those few with access to the vault. All David Lemieux knew about that box when he became the Dead’s archivist was that it contained tapes belonging to Bear—Owsley Stanley, the Dead’s first soundman and architect of the Wall of Sound. Even in the Dead Heads’ Holy of Holies, the taped-up box was tantalizing. But this was Bear’s personal property, and so he didn’t touch the box out of an abiding respect for the elder luminary of sound. Bear’s archive of Sonic Journal recordings had been kept safe for him for years within the Grateful Dead’s vault—over 1,300 reels of tape stored in heavy-duty cartons like old banana boxes. At any time, David could have popped the tops and explored them to his archivist heart's content. But they were off-limits without the nod from Bear. - Starfinder Stanley, Hawk, and Pete Bell, Owsley Stanley Foundation

     

    With a wink and a nod from Bear, we've peeled back those banana boxes to find some of the oldest and rarest of all recordings of the Dead including the double dose of shows that make up DAVE’S PICKS VOLUME 43. The two virtually complete performances from San Francisco 11/2/69, Live At Family Dog At The Great Highway, and from Dallas 12/26/69, McFarlin Auditorium, are complementary in their clarity and consistency thanks to Bear himself, and in their ability to foreshadow where the Dead were headed in the years to come. If the two killer 20-minute+ "Dark Stars" don't get ya, how about the Pigpen-centric sets featuring "Midnight Hour," "Next Time You See Me," "Big Boss Man," "Good Lovin'," and the once-lost-now-found complete rendition of "Dancing In The Streets," or the first full acoustic set ever performed? And we're certain you'll be fascinated to uncover the "Mystery Of Bear's Banana Boxes" as told by Starfinder Stanley, Hawk, and Pete Bell in the liners.

     

    Limited to 25,000 numbered copies, DAVE’S PICKS VOLUME 43 was recorded by Owlsey "Bear" Stanley and has been mastered to HDCD specs by Jeffrey Norman at Mockingbird Mastering. Grab a copy while you can.

     

    *2 per order. Very limited quantity available.

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  • #631
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    Daverock, of course I too went straight to the Red Rocks shows upon first listen before hearing the rest of the box. After getting to all of them I was calling 7-3-78 St. Paul the hidden gem. That must have been a peak period for them. The energy is there. Almost swaggering I'd say, like they need a pack of cigarettes rolled into the sleeve of their t-shirt.
    Cheers

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    Me too

    I also played Omaha 7/5/77 after reading Oroboros's post. The first set, last night-excellent - Jerry's guitar sounds as cool and clear as the driven snow. Own up time....for the last couple of years, when I have played shows from this 78 box, I have played the first one 7/1, missed out the next two and gone on to the two Red Rocks shows. I have no idea what put me off Omaha in the past - makes me wonder what other unidentified jewels I have here.

    Exile - I was unfairly dismissive of Black and Blue, too. It's a very entertaining album - I didn't like funk or disco in the 70's, but that's no excuse now. I wasn't keen at all when it came out-Spring 1976, I believe. With Mick Taylor gone, "Fool To Cry" issued as a single and punk waiting in the wings, The Stones, along with most of the great bands from 1965-1975 suddenly seemed a bit passe. I bought the first Ramones album in Summer 1976-that was the sound of the times for me. 40 odd years later... Black and Blue is still on my playlist, and I no longer even have that Ramones album.
    I saw The Stones at Knebworth in 76 - and I have the programme here-nothing to do with music, but it's curious how The Stones and their fans were presented. In the article on The Stones, it states, "Young boys eagerly flocked the Mary Quant make up department in Harrods trendy Way-In shop on Saturday afternoon.The disco pumped out "Hey Negrita" as the boys applied eye liner and lipstick to gaunt virginal faces." I don't think so. I was 19 then, and the article seemed to show how out of touch The Stones had become at that time, with my generation.
    They also apparently had a food stand where you could buy a portion of chicken curry for 0.55p. This in the middle of the hottest heat wave for decades.

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    That Estimated > Eyes is outstanding. That Eyes of the World has always been a go to post hiatus Eyes.. it's outstanding. I've always been big on that box. 7/1 never circulated and is outstanding, the first Red Rocks shows did circulate and are well.. not to overuse the term but outstanding. A great moment in GD history perfectly preserved for us to enjoy. Aptly timed as we are entering a holiday weekend and the box centers around the Fourth of July.

    Outstanding

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    Been looking at that July 1978 box when picking some dead to listen to lately, but keep getting sidetracked by a different choice, but Oroboros' post about the virtues of the July 5, 1978 Omaha show prompted me to give it a listen today. Currently on Wharf Rat. I always liked that show, and the recording is excellent. I imagine it was exponentially cooler to be there in person at the time. The artwork on that one is probably about my favorite from that box as well, and I liked all the art from that box, a lot.

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    Hey guys, I lurk more than anything but I saw some Stones talk and I agree with Dave Rock. It's Only Rock 'n Roll is an underrated album. The thing with it in my opinion, is that the songs are either dynamite (like the opening song fictional drummer) or B side material. The other problem is a couple of the songs suffer from Led Zeppelin IV / Dark Side of the Moon syndrome, meaning they've been played on the radio so much that they've lost a little luster (title track and Ain't Too Proud to Beg). I think these songs are pretty high quality once you're sitting back giving them your full attention (In their order of appearance on the LP).

    If You Can't Rock Me
    Ain't Too Proud to Beg
    It's Only Rock 'n Roll (But I Like It)
    Till the Next Goodbye
    Time Waits for No One

    Dance Little Sister

    The first 5 songs are all of side one and are solid. It's Only Rock 'n Roll has "Start Me Up" hit quality. Time Waits For No One makes us realize that Mick Taylor should have had at least one or two tracks on every album to stretch out like he does on this one and Can't You Hear Me Knockin' from Sticky Fingers. Missed opportunity. The thing with these songs is you may think of hearing Dance Little Sister on the radio and thought, meh, average song. Until you really listen to everything going on with the guitars. Keith Richards bass chops on If You Can't Rock Me are cool. Till the Next Time is on par in my mind with Wild Horses and Angie, but again, missed opportunity in that Taylor could have been used to play an electric solo or something, similar to Wild Horses. The remaining songs on the record don't do it for me. Luxury is borderline, but leans too far into funk. Fingerprint File is way too far into funk and not that great a song for me. If You Really Want to Be My Friend and Short and Curlies should have been put in the can for later. Between Goats Head Soup and It's Only Rock 'n Roll, I think there's a great album in there.

    Black and Blue had some great songs with Hand of Fate and Crazy Mama. I think Hand of Fate was as good as 70s rockers got, with very few exceptions.

    Not much to say that hasn't been said about Dave's 43. I would never complain for this type of release.

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    you guys are so cool. Love this forum

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    ...It's like buying a book from the bookstore and then realizing the pages are all put together out of order, and there are pages from another book mixed in. And when you go back and say, hey, bookseller, they put the pages of the book in the wrong order, and there are pages from another book mixed in. And he says, don't worry, you can rip them all out and put the book back together in whatever order you want.

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    It’s Like When Someone Says ‘Plate of Shrimp’

    The other day I ordered a burger with fries. Instead, they brought me fries with a burger. So I complained. But dude, the burger guy said, you can eat them in whatever order you want. Mmfff, I said, eating my fries and burger.

    Received my shipping notice today for the TTB’s “I am the Moon” vinyl set. Because today is the release date. What a concept! You release the record on the release date! Genius! I just want to note that, when you bought the 4-lp set, they promised to provide a digital download of each separate album as each of the four parts of this project was released. And then they actually did! On the actual release dates! And the files actually worked! Amazing! And now they shipped vinyl on the release date. It’s so weird.

    A lot of people don't realize what's really going on. They view life as a bunch of unconnected incidents and things. They don't realize that there's this, like, lattice of coincidence that lays on top of everything. Like the other other day I’m eating a plate of shrimp and listening to Electric on the Eel for the first time in years. And so were you.

    Last five:

    JGB: Electric on the Eel (discs 1 and 6)
    Derek & the Dominos: Layla
    Bill Evans: The Hilversum Concert
    Christian McBride: At the Village Vanguard
    Stones: El Mocambo

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    All is well in the middle of the country and I couldn't agree more with this esteemed group's statements on current and past musical topics.

    Phil and Friends has consistently displayed such exploratory and jamtasic shows which makes them a 'must see.' I recently attended another Wilco concert prior to that show and the inclusion of Jeff Tweedy and Nels Cline in the friends in Chicago reflect excellent choices. Nels has sat in with P & F on multiple occasions and Wilco has covered the Dead on a variety of occasions including Bobby sitting in for Dark Star, Ripple, etc. I regretted that Phil got Covid and couldn't headline with String Cheese Incident's recent Red Rocks shows, but Billy Strings was a welcome replacement and we in the audience had a wonderful time. Still I long to see Phil play again and hope to have another chance soon. The SCI 'dead set' with Billy was a delight and I saw Billy rev up with the Cheese as they took on many of our favorite Dead tunes that evening. And I am quite relieved that Phil has fully recovered from the Covid and is back playing live.

    Besides attending the Wilco and SCI shows, I have also loved recent concerts with the Infamous Stringdusters, Joe Russo's Almost Dead, the Jayhawks, Railroad Earth, Yonder Mountain, Mollie Tuttle, Sierra Hull, and several years ago was quite taken by previously mentioned Larkin Poe (opened for Elvis Costello). Such terrific music touring again and I'm very grateful to be able to make the journey (pun intended).

    However, given this thread on DP 43, to get back on how this Dave's Pick is stellar and echo others sentiments how the primal Dead are such an unmitigated treat. This is a special release and deserving of frequent rotation.

    And should any of you be inspired by the break-neck speed and turn on a dime of the early Grateful Dead, please consider attending a Joe Russo's Almost Dead show. Yes, Oro (my brother from another mother) those two Vail JRAD shows, along with the JRAD show at Red Rocks were stellar. These guys have the stamina and pace of the early Grateful Dead but along with the Dead's entire song catalogue. Simply remarkable jamming, truly exploratory, and much more in the vein of P & F as opposed to the D & C. JRAD is energy personified and each band member is truly infused with amazing grasp of these wonderful songs along with a jazz mentality and interplay.

    To add to the dialogue regarding 'rain stories' from concerts (discussed earlier in this thread), I got one to share. I recall back in 1978 when the Grateful Dead played at the Omaha Civic Auditorium in July. The venue was about half full (4,000?) but everyone was chomping at the bit as we had not seen the Dead in Nebraska since early in the early 70's. I took my Nak 550 into the venue and there was no hassle getting in the deck in this time, but remember this was before the days of 'taper's sections.'

    Out in the hallway, the Hell's Angels wandered about sporting full colors and big grins. They may have been transporting 'party favors' and decided to take in a show, or perhaps road tripping with the band? Although I did not see them at the subsequent Red Rocks shows. Anyway, I headed down to the floor to set up my Nak in front of the sound board. When I was getting everything ready, I saw this guy with a great rig setting up. Luckily this kind stranger (I have since discovered he was famous taper Bob Wagner) let me patch out of the back of his Sony, which was terrific as he had a tall (8 ft?) stand to get will above the crowd noise. We were about 15 to 20 feet in FOB. So Garcia treats us to a blistering Sugaree opener, the kind that drove the crowd wild. His leads mounted into a wave that crests, recedes, regroups, and roars back with such power and delight that adds to the synergistic effect causing our frenzied response as his rolling/soaring guitar work lift and subside within the band.

    Then BIODTL, TLEO, and then Bob took the spotlight with a "Look's Like Rain." About half way through the son, I suddenly noticed something shimmering in the air between the band and me. I thought "what a fantastic light show! Or have I shifted into 5th gear just a little earlier than I scheduled?" I staggered towards that visual disturbance in front of me to investigate. The crowd was dancing madly in the middle of the floor as a waterfall played over them. The waterfall was about 25 feet in circumference. I put my hand into the water...hand out, no rain, hand in, pouring rain.. I jumped into the waterfall drenching us all in the middle of the Civic auditorium. Then stepped out and there was none. I shook my head and then dove back into the deluge and danced through LLR and next came Direworlf and a delightful All Over Now, with Keith and Donna simply killing it. Candyman, Lazy >Supplication and Bobby informed "we are going to take a short break" (ha, it was never a short break!)

    I staggered back to reload a new tape (remember cassettes?) and I looked for some validation of my experience. I asked my friends if I was not in fact 'soaking wet' as I patted my wet t-shirt? And they grinned knowingly and affirmed that , yes, in fact I was 'all wet."

    Then this unique show continued (nice indoor water feature, boys!) with a killer second set, complete with a transportive Estimated>Eyes>Wharf Rat>Truckin'>Iko Iko > Around and Around.

    As I left the auditorium I noticed the water standing on the ground outside, a summer storm? Hey was this just a case of a leaking roof? Or did the Dead actually conjure up the forces of nature as they were so prone to do?

    Next to travel to their/my maiden Red Rocks shows. Would Phil bombs create reverse gravity and make us float up into the air? What do they have up their collective sleeves for us next (ah-oooo, Werewolves of London, ah-ooo)?

    Those were the daze.....

    Zen saying "teachers open the door, you must enter by yourself."

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    Jim - You bring up a good point that Phil is well into his 80s, yet is still bringing it with such new creations as Philco. I think he personifies that well worn axiom “Find something you love to do and you’ll never have to work a day in your life.”

    DaveRock - I personally always loved the subtle guitar work on “Fingerprint File” from IORR. Mick Taylor should never have left the Stones, they were a much better band with him (with due respect to Ronnie). Last week, I re-watched their “bootleg” release from the Marquee Club in 1971 - now THAT was THE best Stones lineup.

    Blues For Allah - what an excellent choice. Some really jazzy passages throughout that entire release.

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A sealed, unlabeled box sat undisturbed for decades on a shelf in the Grateful Dead’s San Rafael tape vault on Front Street, its contents an enduring mystery, even to those few with access to the vault. All David Lemieux knew about that box when he became the Dead’s archivist was that it contained tapes belonging to Bear—Owsley Stanley, the Dead’s first soundman and architect of the Wall of Sound. Even in the Dead Heads’ Holy of Holies, the taped-up box was tantalizing. But this was Bear’s personal property, and so he didn’t touch the box out of an abiding respect for the elder luminary of sound. Bear’s archive of Sonic Journal recordings had been kept safe for him for years within the Grateful Dead’s vault—over 1,300 reels of tape stored in heavy-duty cartons like old banana boxes. At any time, David could have popped the tops and explored them to his archivist heart's content. But they were off-limits without the nod from Bear. - Starfinder Stanley, Hawk, and Pete Bell, Owsley Stanley Foundation

 

With a wink and a nod from Bear, we've peeled back those banana boxes to find some of the oldest and rarest of all recordings of the Dead including the double dose of shows that make up DAVE’S PICKS VOLUME 43. The two virtually complete performances from San Francisco 11/2/69, Live At Family Dog At The Great Highway, and from Dallas 12/26/69, McFarlin Auditorium, are complementary in their clarity and consistency thanks to Bear himself, and in their ability to foreshadow where the Dead were headed in the years to come. If the two killer 20-minute+ "Dark Stars" don't get ya, how about the Pigpen-centric sets featuring "Midnight Hour," "Next Time You See Me," "Big Boss Man," "Good Lovin'," and the once-lost-now-found complete rendition of "Dancing In The Streets," or the first full acoustic set ever performed? And we're certain you'll be fascinated to uncover the "Mystery Of Bear's Banana Boxes" as told by Starfinder Stanley, Hawk, and Pete Bell in the liners.

 

Limited to 25,000 numbered copies, DAVE’S PICKS VOLUME 43 was recorded by Owlsey "Bear" Stanley and has been mastered to HDCD specs by Jeffrey Norman at Mockingbird Mastering. Grab a copy while you can.

 

*2 per order. Very limited quantity available.

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Submitted by Vguy72 on Sat, 08/27/2022 - 12:14

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....'65 - '75 IS the best decade for music in my opinion.
Let's do a decade #1!
Another edit. Check out The Warning. A three piece sister power rock band from Mexico with impressive riffs. Whoa! Paulina, the drummer/harmony singer is on point!! Her enthusiasm is evident. Awesome.
Guess I'm on a girl band kick lately.

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Submitted by Crow Told Me on Sat, 08/27/2022 - 14:34

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It's the 50th anniversary of the greatest GD show ever. (Yeah, I said it.) Please celebrate irresponsibly.

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Submitted by Dark-Star on Sat, 08/27/2022 - 15:11

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I upgraded to Blu-ray and what a difference. The audio is great. I am watching this thinking how freedom looked back then. It seems like there was more freedom but I believe the music was just better. We had our problems back then too. I agree Crow, this show is terrific. I guess it helps that the source tapes are so good. Sometimes that's half the battle.

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Submitted by Gratefulhan on Sat, 08/27/2022 - 20:22

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I think TTB is excellent. Derek Trucks is legendary as far as I am concerned and Susan is wonderful. Talk about a power couple. Plus they really lined themselves up with some great musicians and vocalists. I hear a lot of influences in their songs. I really like the fact that they are not a jam band, or even a band that jams as Greg Allman would say. I think it is cool direction to take, especially for Derek who we all know can go after the improvisation from his Allman Brothers days.
A great footnote to this is that there is a YouTube video of TTB playing Anyday from about 11 years ago. Now this in itself isn't anything new, as the Allman Brother played that song and TTB continued to as well. However this video I am referencing has shots of many celebrities in attendance at this particular show. Just off of the stage there is shot of none other then Eric Clapton, who is singing along and rocking out to TTB playing Anyday. Talk about a great honor. I wish I could remeber the exact title of that video but I tihnk it is from a show or festival from 2011. If anyone gets adventurous I say it is worth the search to find it.

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Submitted by daverock on Sat, 08/27/2022 - 23:58

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The records I first heard when I was 15 never really grow old. A magical time - for me 1972-73 was illuminated by...
Electric Warrior - T. Rex
Ziggy Stardust - David Bowie
Paranoid -Black Sabbath
Fireball - Deep Purple
Space Ritual - Hawkwind
and the one that really amused my parents..... the incomparable Slade Alive!
Singles were great then too - All The Young Dudes, Starman, Silver Machine, Schools Out, Virginia Plain come to mind.
I was oblivious to The Dead playing various dates in England at the time.

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Submitted by That Mike on Sun, 08/28/2022 - 04:12

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Glad to hear you like the J’s, VGuy. The Jayhawks are terrific, and I’m finding out this offshoot group called Golden Smog (thank you Sixtus) is the bee’s knees.

Warning about this “Americana” music - it’s pretty infectious.

Once you tick that box marked “Americana”, the amazing music that unfolds is incredible, from all the performers mentioned, but including some other favourites of mine such as Neko Case, Gillian Welch/Dave Rawlings, Lucinda Williams, to old standbys such as Buddy Miller (I saw him play with Plant & Krauss - wow!), Ry Cooder, all the way back to the Band.

Do the Dead constitute “Americana”? Certainly, they were masterful interpreters of so many veins of music, from Motown to Reggae to Disco (yikes) to Jazz to Folk to….etc. Americana? Originators? Certainly American Beauty and Workingman’s Dead could be worthy of serious consideration, and notable for being ahead of their time, before this vein of music became defined as such. Hmmmmm…

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Submitted by 1stshow70878 on Sun, 08/28/2022 - 09:18

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That video is the 2011(?) Clapton Crossroads Festival. That's where I first saw TTB and fell for them immediately. They also interview a bit in there and describe how they found all the early influences like Delaney and Bonnie and wanted to revive that influence. It worked! The other melted happy face besides Clapton's was the host Bill Murray. You can lipread him saying, "WOW". To honor Clapton at his festival by doing a Derek and the Dominoes tune was a brilliant choice. The recent release of their whole live recreation of the Layla album really tops it off. And Trey guests on it too.
Cheers

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Submitted by billy the kiddd on Sun, 08/28/2022 - 12:08

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40 years ago today, I was up in Oregon for a good time with the Good Ole Grateful Dead. The show was a blast and the whole scene was just a lot of fun.. I had 3 tickets for the 3 shows in 1992, unfortunately it never happened.. 1982, what a great year to be seeing the Grateful Dead , with the Frost ,Greek , Ventura, and December Oakland shows, it was fun times. Hopefully, some of these Bay Area shows will be released some day.

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Submitted by Dark-Star on Sun, 08/28/2022 - 18:23

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I think you described the Dead's story very nicely in just a few words. To me they didn't just embody the American spirit, they imbibed it and reflected it back to us in the form of music. And they lived a free lifestyle exactly how they wanted to live it.

I have seen the breathing walls!

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Submitted by Vguy72 on Sun, 08/28/2022 - 18:53

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....Last Five
McCartney & Wings - Band On The Run.
The Jayhawks - Tomorrow The Green Grass.
GOGD - Dave's 30 Bonus. Fillmore East 1.3.70.
The Warning - ERROR.
Tedeschi Trucks Band - I Am The Moon Vol IV : Farewell.

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Submitted by That Mike on Mon, 08/29/2022 - 07:17

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“Best of” and “Greatest” designations when assessing art and music are pretty ludicrous yardsticks to use, such as in the Grammy awards and other such nonsense, but I have to admit, it would be hard, if not impossible, to claim TTB’s four-part opus “I Am The Moon” not THE best music to be released in 2022. It is absolutely transcendent, beginning to end. If it was Sun Tzu that taught that a warrior’s greatness is measured by the strength and cunning of his enemies, then by that thinking, this suite is all the more remarkable when measured against all the incredible music also released this year.

Although I have their library, and definitely enjoy their music, I was ambivalent about their standing as a premier musical act, but I gotta tip my hat to them for this one. It is an absolute gem. A live reading of this four-parter would be a show for the ages.

My only kicker: This all would have made a killer double album. But once the marketing people get a foot in the door…

“A Charlie Brown Christmas” 5 CD set! 5 CDs!!!!!
The marketing people….

Godspeed to the stuffed Snoopy dog aboard Artemis 1, as it attempts it’s launch to the moon today.

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Submitted by Gratefulhan on Mon, 08/29/2022 - 14:13

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I did also see Bill Murray off to the side in that video footage too. I was just stuck on Clapton's reaction. Still it was defintiely cool to see Bill Murry enjoying things. I need to check out that TTB Layla Revisted album. I have been working on few projects that involve listening to a bunch of live shows so I have been occupied with that. When I get chance, I am going to give it a listen.

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Submitted by marye on Mon, 08/29/2022 - 15:20

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yes, you do need to check that out. It's pretty incredible. (So were TTB with Los Lobos at the Greek the other week, with Jerry's Alligator guitar.)
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Submitted by hendrixfreak on Mon, 08/29/2022 - 16:00

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C'mon, after 50 years, I was just getting over the breathing walls and ya had to mention them... Dang it!

As for Snoopy, a classic Rosie Magee pic of Pigpen shows his Snoopy pin on his greasy corduroy hat, plain as day. So maybe a piece of Pigpen's soul is heading to the moon on Artemis. (Though none of the reasons given for our return to the Moon make any sense to me. Except to stake our claim in the face of China's interest, which unfortunately smacks of militarism and control...)

And as for TTB, I keep tellin' ya, that's the hottest band on the planet right now. If they've got Los Lobos in tow, that's THE package. At least according to me, and, as you well know, I've never been wrong before...

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Submitted by J3FF on Mon, 08/29/2022 - 17:06

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So I've got Your Picks Vol. 43 in my hands and CD player. Cool music.... BUT...

I ask you, sir--is this how YOU listen to these shows? The first 9 songs of 11/2/69, then the 5 songs from 12/26/69, then 4 songs from 11/2, then 11 songs from 12/26??

If yes, then I don't feel you really appreciate the experience of live Dead--how each show is a unique event and piece of musical art, how each show has a rhythm and a story all its own. (This is WHY so many of us spend thousands of dollars buying these very shows on CD when we are content with just getting the best studio releases from other artists we love.)

If this is NOT how you would listen to these shows, and you do enjoy and appreciate listening to a show as it was performed, then you are not really respecting the rest of us who want to listen to the shows in that way but don't have the privilege of access to GD's vaults.

You make great choices of shows-- just let us listen to them as Jerry intended please. It's doable. Every single box set release does it.

Thanks!

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Submitted by Vguy72 on Mon, 08/29/2022 - 18:41

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....twenty-four songs, and not a bad one to be found. Very impressive. I raise my glass to you.
And J3ff. It's due to the 80 minute time limits on the CD format.
Deadworld problems.

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Submitted by billy the kiddd on Mon, 08/29/2022 - 21:49

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35 years ago, I was up on the Eel River to see Jerry Garcia put on a fantastic show, one set acoustic, two sets electric. What a fantastic spot, up in the Redwoods in the mountains right on the Eel River. It was definitely electric, what a swinging party.

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Submitted by Sydney Prentice on Tue, 08/30/2022 - 00:15

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Yes it's a gripe of mine too,I did mention this several Dave's Picks ago, when I was reminded of the Road Trips series of fragmented shows.
I am grateful to have the 2 shows on 3 discs,but it does annoy me at having to break off listening to a show to change discs.I do not have the means to re arrange the songs on a computer,& besides I enjoy the HDCD resolution.
As much as I enjoy my vinyl in my opinion the Grateful Dead live recordings are more enjoyable to listen to via CD, as you are not changing record sides between certain flows of the music.

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Submitted by daverock on Tue, 08/30/2022 - 04:31

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Conversely, I do enjoy listening to live Dead on vinyl. It seems to make me focus a bit more. I don't listen to whole shows in one go- in about an hour I will have some lunch, and maybe listen to 2 sides of an L.P. That will be it for me for music for a few hours - I'll go off an do something else, and tune back in a few hours time, but again just for 40 minutes or so.
I don't listen to music during the core of the evening - but about 11.00pm...that's when cds come in handy. Sit back and let it all wash over me for a few hours.
With fragmented shows, I don't mind so much as long as it is clearly labelled on the sleeve what music comes from what show. Some of the earlier ones didn't do this - so you have to get Deadbase down to work out where different songs come from. If you can be bothered. The Dicks Picks from late July early August 1974 comes to mind-but there are quite a few.
And although Dave's Picks 43 works really well for me as a whole - I don't think it's necessary to fill every second of every cd with music. I have never liked fillers. Many of the greatest albums from the past clocked in at little more than half an hour. Quality-not quantity is the key, for me.

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Submitted by Mr. Ones on Tue, 08/30/2022 - 06:57

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I have received your Pick numbered 43. Cool music BUT, you really have a lot of nerve squeezing the absolute MAXIMUM of Dead music possible onto 3 cds(just under 4 hours worth).
As you may know, if us Dead Heads can’t listen EXACTLY the way we wish, and you know what way that is, then I’d rather have NOTHING!!
I love the Dead sooooo much, that if I can’t listen to a whole show, complete and in order, and not have to get up off my a$$ to perhaps change a disc, then you can forget it, the deal is off!! How DARE you give me 2 shows for the price of 1, of this band I love sooooo much. I’d rather just have 1 90 minute show, spread over 3 discs, IN ORDER, so that my entitled, lazy a$$ does NOT have to move while I am listening.
A rational person might think “oh my God”!! I’m getting 2 COMPLETE shows(minus 1 song) instead of 1, for the same price!! But no, we Dead Heads don’t want more music. We want LESS music, and only if it’s presented PERFECTLY. Perfect sound, NO PATCHES, no dropouts, in proper order, so that all I have to do is push 1, ONE button, and then I can laze back, stoned to the gills, and forget about life and how hard it is to be alive.
We want LESS music, PERFECTLY prepared, the less music the better, so long as it’s PERFECT, at least to me. Because after all, you ARE doing this just for me, right?? Seeing as how I’m the MOST important person in the universe.
To those who are Grateful to have the MAXIMUM amount of Dead music, no matter how poorly it’s presented, well, you happen to be so so wrong. And of course I am right!!
It must be so sad to not be me.

I have SPOKEN!! This is the truth, so sayeth the Lord.

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Submitted by Angry Jack Straw on Tue, 08/30/2022 - 07:40

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is easily one of the best releases of the entire series. And it is still not good enough because of the song sequencing?

What a joke.

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Submitted by icecrmcnkd on Tue, 08/30/2022 - 08:08

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For packing 2 grate shows onto 3 80-minute CD’s.
And for putting that missing Cold Rain and Snow on a future release.

Fortunately for me, I learned how to use a computer in the 1990’s, and now in 2022 can rearrange the order of digital music files.

As an alternative, some CD players let you program the order that tracks are played.

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Submitted by Sydney Prentice on Tue, 08/30/2022 - 08:18

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No offence but it's only my opinion, if I prefer to sit on my backside and listen to a whole show in order that's my choice.

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Submitted by Colin Gould on Tue, 08/30/2022 - 08:25

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I see the next Sonic Journals is by the Chieftains.
It is already available to order from Amazon UK and I’ve ordered it.

Glad to see these guys getting love over the last couple weeks. I had the good fortune to see TTB at the Greek in LA, then MMJ at Red Rocks for the Saturday show. Both killer shows. Every time I want to whine/complain about something my life or something in the world at large, I immediately flash back to these 2 shows within 8 days and tell myself to STFU.

As Vguy is wont to say, "Music is the Best."

As Patterson Hood of the DBT sings, "It's fuckin great to be alive!"

Yes, Patterson, it sure as fuck is.

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Submitted by Charlie3 on Tue, 08/30/2022 - 09:25

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...to see the expression of different opinions about song sequencing and filler met with scorn and ad hominem attacks. It's one of the things I like least about this site.

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Submitted by 1stshow70878 on Tue, 08/30/2022 - 10:00

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Was Pig's Snoopy pin the one with sunglasses? Joe Cool was my favorite Snoopy alter-ego, followed closely by the WW1 flying ace. I had the Snoopy Cowabunga on a surfboard poster in my room when young. Hallmark has made thousands off of my family and I as Shultz cards are still our favorite greetings. As I got a little older the Lange ski "Tips Up" girl poster moved in next to Snoopy. Mom was OK with it likely because Lange girl's nipples were airbrushed out.
Gotta go with Charlie3 on today's comments although I got a good laugh out of Mr.Ones, who by the way is I believe the originator of Music Is The Best. I did have to listen in corrected order but like Daverock I usually have to break it up anyway so no biggie.
Cheers all!
Edit: Last 5
Airto - Seeds on the Ground; The Natural Sounds of Airto (an RGM reissue), cool smooth jazz w/ Ron Carter on bass.
DaP 43 - Excellent recording. Very enjoyable with the acoustic. IMHO no way the best Dave's, sorry just not my era.
Renaissance - Ashes Are Burning
Moody Blues - In Search of the Lost Chord
Little Feat - Time Loves a Hero
All on LP except DaP 43

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Submitted by That Mike on Tue, 08/30/2022 - 10:30

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I have to figure the Snoopy stuffed toy and 3 manikins (now known as “Moonikins”) aboard Artemus 1 are relieved to get a reprieve from launch, at least until Friday. I guess these aren’t just random manikins pulled out of a Macy storefront window (“Your country needs you!”), but fairly elaborate robots that will gauge all the pressures and hazards of space travel expected for when the Artemus project goes to manned space flight (including putting the first woman on the moon. NASA declined my offers of “Take my wife, please”). These “dummies” were going to be enduring 26,000 MPH thrust just to escape the Earth’s gravity. I thought my brother’s old dressed-up Mercury Cougar hauled ass! This Artemus project is pretty “Holy Shit!” stuff.

As for DaP 43, I’ll just agree with others that it may be one of the best of the series, and I respect others may not agree. But TWO prime Dark Stars!!! This DaP 43 is pretty “Holy Shit!” stuff!

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Submitted by daverock on Tue, 08/30/2022 - 10:45

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Funny how some people seem to get a bit humpy if they see a point of view expressed that isn't in accordance with their own.

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Submitted by 1stshow70878 on Tue, 08/30/2022 - 10:48

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I think I heard that Artemus does 17,000 mph in 8.5 seconds.
ThatMike, I loved the Rodney Dangerfield reference.
I had a buddy that had a (67?) Mercury Cougar XR-7 with the 428 Cobra-Jet. This was around 1975-6 so it was well used by then. But it WAS fast.
He wrapped it around a tree in like a month after buying it.
I've always said if I'd have had a fast car I'd be dead already.
Fastest thing I've ever had is my inherited '95 Mercury Grand Marquis.
My first V-8, likely does 0-60 in maybe 11 seconds? It's a boat but no anchor in the trunk. But it rides nice and gets 30mpg on the highway.
Cheers

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Submitted by J3FF on Tue, 08/30/2022 - 11:03

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Sorry for disturbing you under your bridge there... but good job disproving the stereotype that Dead fans are kind.

I'm not sure why someone would take such personal offense to my request that the shows be presented in the original sequence. I'm not trying to deprive anyone of anything--if it really were not possible to fit both shows in the correct sequence on 3 discs there's no reason they can't do it on 4 discs... (there's a 153-disc collection of the complete works of Bach that sells for $125 so I don't think it can be that expensive to toss in an extra disc.)

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Submitted by That Mike on Tue, 08/30/2022 - 11:29

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My older brother once drove his Cougar from my parent’s home to a friend’s cabin in a rural area in under 45 minutes, a drive that normally would take 2 hours and fifteen minutes if you followed the limit. As he had this car in the 70s, and had recently moved out of the family home, I forget all the specs on it, but he loved the speed of this thing, and while he crashed a few things, including a beautiful BMW Motorcycle on a speed track (amazingly just breaking his collarbone), he never wrecked the Cougar. Scary car, scarier driver.
I read Artemus 1 will be re-entering the Earth’s atmosphere at 17,500 miles an hour! Check those Moonikins for diapers!

Captcha: And a big yellow taxi come and took away my old man

J3ff’s comments to Dave of:
(Read the whole post for context of these quotes)

“ is this how YOU listen to these shows?”

“ If yes, then I don't feel you really appreciate the experience of live Dead”

“ then you are not really respecting the rest of us”

“ just let us listen to them as Jerry intended please”
(How do you know what Jerry intended? Jerry wasn’t the sole decision maker of the band)

Can come off as more than just an opinion, but also as another attack on Dave.

In my alternate opinion this was the correct decision as a means to get these 2 shows released at the same time, even if the Cold Rain does have to be included in a later release.

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Submitted by 1stshow70878 on Tue, 08/30/2022 - 12:14

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Mike, My sister's boyfriend in 1968 drove his E-type Jag from St. Louis to Denver, a trip of 850 miles, in under 9 hours. Mostly at night with only gas stops, he said he did 100+ mph as much as he could. Cannonball Run! That's what love will make you do! (One of my favorite JGB tunes. Who does the original? David Bromberg does one too.)
Cheers

Some of you guys act like you're Dave's girlfriend or something.

Let me know where Dave is available to field gently-worded input please, because I haven't found it yet... if you send an email to Dead.net you get no reply; if you send a Facebook message they send an automatic reply trying to sell you stuff...

I will admit that my post expresses frustration with the folks selling this stuff. In addition to the non-responsiveness, there have been some truly baffling and annoying decisions in the assembly of these shows. On disc 2 of Dave's Picks 41 (only 32 minutes long BTW--so much for jam-packing the discs) we go from the 5/26/77 show to 7/19/90 (?) for two minutes of post-Not Fade Away audience chanting before starting U.S. Blues before returning to 5/26/77 on the next disc. What possible reason is there to include the chanting as part of "U.S. Blues"? Or a 1990 song on a 1977 show? (or is that a typo on the disc?)

It's weird that some of you want to mock me for valuing the song order that the band originally chose... but act like the order Dave randomly chose is sacred.

I'm happy for you guys that download these and re-assemble them in order but I don't think that's a valid justification for not putting them in order in the actual product being sold.

If Dave is offended by the tone of my post please let me know-- you should have access to my email. I'll buy you a beer.

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Submitted by billy the kiddd on Tue, 08/30/2022 - 12:51

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35 years ago today, I was at the Greek Theatre to see Garcia and Bonnie Raitt put on a nice show. Proudfoot, the Eel River show was really something special in a very special place. People were diving from high clifts into the Eel River, you would see the trails of the divers as they went off the clifts. Electric was the appropriate word , if you were not, you were in the minority. Garcia really played great. I can't say that I've ever been in a cooler place to see music, up in the Redwoods in the mountains. I've missed some cool shows in the past, but I didn't miss this one.

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