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    A sealed, unlabeled box sat undisturbed for decades on a shelf in the Grateful Dead’s San Rafael tape vault on Front Street, its contents an enduring mystery, even to those few with access to the vault. All David Lemieux knew about that box when he became the Dead’s archivist was that it contained tapes belonging to Bear—Owsley Stanley, the Dead’s first soundman and architect of the Wall of Sound. Even in the Dead Heads’ Holy of Holies, the taped-up box was tantalizing. But this was Bear’s personal property, and so he didn’t touch the box out of an abiding respect for the elder luminary of sound. Bear’s archive of Sonic Journal recordings had been kept safe for him for years within the Grateful Dead’s vault—over 1,300 reels of tape stored in heavy-duty cartons like old banana boxes. At any time, David could have popped the tops and explored them to his archivist heart's content. But they were off-limits without the nod from Bear. - Starfinder Stanley, Hawk, and Pete Bell, Owsley Stanley Foundation

     

    With a wink and a nod from Bear, we've peeled back those banana boxes to find some of the oldest and rarest of all recordings of the Dead including the double dose of shows that make up DAVE’S PICKS VOLUME 43. The two virtually complete performances from San Francisco 11/2/69, Live At Family Dog At The Great Highway, and from Dallas 12/26/69, McFarlin Auditorium, are complementary in their clarity and consistency thanks to Bear himself, and in their ability to foreshadow where the Dead were headed in the years to come. If the two killer 20-minute+ "Dark Stars" don't get ya, how about the Pigpen-centric sets featuring "Midnight Hour," "Next Time You See Me," "Big Boss Man," "Good Lovin'," and the once-lost-now-found complete rendition of "Dancing In The Streets," or the first full acoustic set ever performed? And we're certain you'll be fascinated to uncover the "Mystery Of Bear's Banana Boxes" as told by Starfinder Stanley, Hawk, and Pete Bell in the liners.

     

    Limited to 25,000 numbered copies, DAVE’S PICKS VOLUME 43 was recorded by Owlsey "Bear" Stanley and has been mastered to HDCD specs by Jeffrey Norman at Mockingbird Mastering. Grab a copy while you can.

     

    *2 per order. Very limited quantity available.

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  • #1351
    Vguy72
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    Meet up....

    ....I'm going early to try and get in the front GA section. Lot opens up at 4:30 I think???
    PM section is down? Says I'm not authorized to access.

  • #1352
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    I met #3230 accidentally, in Saint Paul, Minnesota!

    No notice, just a delivery a few minutes ago.

    I've told this to you all a million times, but a group in the Twin Cities has been recreating The Last Waltz on stage once per year for about 15 years. It's a very cool event.

    Be kind, rewind.

  • #1353
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    Didn't Get a Notice

    ...but #23818 has arrived in sunny Southern California. Now if only that Little Feat box from Rhino would get its butt over here.

  • #1354
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    Vguy, I'll be lookin' for ya

    I'll hold or wear my Hamms beer hat, blue short sleeve shirt with very thin vertical stripes, gray pants, sandals, Fu Manchu with beard, short dirty blond/gray hair, goofy grin...

    I'm having trouble with my ankle, so I'm not climbing to the top in search of you, but maybe halfway between my Row 10 and your GA section up top. I told Nappyrags I'd be on the outside stairs, Row 10, between bands -- especially after Gabe Dixon but well before Los Lobos hits the stage.

    Try to come down for a brief hang. I'll have treats for ya! If I can make 2023 and 2024 shows, I'll have put in 50 years at the Rocks. Fortunately, not making little ones out of big ones, if you know your prison lore....

    HF

  • #1355
    proudfoot
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    Went to get mail today

    Oooo, theres a package! New Daves!

    PSYCHE!

    Postal person misdelivered a delivery for my neighbor.

    >:(((

  • #1356
    proudfoot
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    I go into a well-known coffee chain

    to chill while I get new tires.

    I give my name

    I sit down 10 feet away to wait and play the electronic crack game (phone ya know)

    10 seconds later some dude in line tells me my drink is ready

    Barista says she called my name

    She must have whispered it

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    VGuy - RR sounds amazing,…

    VGuy - RR sounds amazing, and I’ll bet the band was fantastic! I just received Part 3 - The Fall yesterday, so after I finish this interminable Honey Do List, I’ll break it out. Glad you enjoyed the show.

    Dennis - Enjoyed reading the Last Waltz story, my favourite concert movie. When it was released in 1978, I knew I had to see the film, as I saw The Band on that, their last tour. Considering they got their start in Toronto, I thought it shitty the film got only limited release here at the time, but since I was in university then, I saw it repeatedly, even matinees, at a theatre no longer standing that was a block from where the Band (nee The Hawks) used to play at a long defunct club called Le Coq D’Or back in the early 60s with Ronnie Hawkins, and where Dylan came to hear them play. The rest was history. Great story, and Muddy’s performance was a highlight.

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    Red Rocks revue....

    ....I'll try. Let me get the bad out of the way. Lots and lots of stairs.
    Now for the good. One of the best food courts I've seen. They serve basically everything. And if you are near the top like I was, the constant smell of food pours down over you.
    If there was a police presence, they must be undercover, because I didn't see any.
    The sound there is top shelf. Wow. Towards the end of the show, the wind picked up and started bouncing the sound around the huge rocks and sounded even more amazing! (I was under the influence of psilocybin, so I may be compromised regarding that, but I don't think so).
    Getting around is easy. Getting in and out was easy. This place has it all.
    Now TTB. I literally cried a couple of times during the show. They are tight AF and brought it hard for 2+ hrs. When Susan really starts preaching, you better shut up and listen because she's got something to tell you. Members of Los Lobos came on and sat in for a couple of songs and that's some dream come true shit. At least to me.
    I have GA tix so a shout out to my neighbors Jessica and Ross and Susan and Alan for waving me over when I reached upper GA and yelled out if anyone had room by them for one person. You people were the best.
    I walked back to my car and drove to my hotel in stunned disbelief and didn't say a word.
    Didn't see anyone being busted for anything and pot smoke was definitely evident in the air. Crowd was chill. How can you not be at a place like that!!!
    I regret taking so long to finally visit the hollowed ground that is RR, but better late than never.
    You all have a great Saturday.
    I'll be wearing my Make America Grateful Again tee and my American Beauty brown bolt/roses cap tonight btw. Tall white dude with a white beard and glasses with a constant smile on my face. Can't miss me lol!

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    Alright, #43 has landed in the Bay Area!

    What a killer release, keep them coming Dave.

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    may interest some

    My buddy sent me this in an email today,,, thought some might enjoy reading it....

    THE LAST WALTZ BLUES JAM
    by Bob Margolin
    The more blues-driven musicians commandeered the instruments at the jam, and played some old favorite songs together, mostly Robert Johnson’s. This sounds like a common scene at open-mic jams at blues clubs, where more experienced blues players sometimes conspire to sit in together. It happened at about 7 am, the morning after The Band’s Last Waltz concert on Thanksgiving, 1976. The Band had hired the entire Miyako Hotel in San Francisco to accommodate their guests. The banquet room which had been used for rehearsal before the show was now the party room, and musicians had been jamming in random combinations since after the concert, many hours before. But unlike your local blues jam, every blues player that morning was a Rock Star.
    Except me. I was there with Muddy Waters. who was invited to perform two songs at The Last Waltz. Muddy had recorded his Grammy-winning “Woodstock Album” the year before with Levon Helm and Garth Hudson from The Band, but The Band itself was an unknown quantity to him. He brought Pinetop Perkins and me from his own band to accompany him along with The Band and Paul Butterfield on harp, so that he would have something familiar to play with. Muddy also felt I was good at explaining what he wanted onstage to musicians he hadn’t worked with, though 25 years later, I still find myself wishing I knew more about what Muddy wanted.
    Muddy, Pinetop, and I checked into the hotel the day before the show and went to the restaurant. I saw a few familiar faces from the Rock World, and some came over to say hello and pay respects to Muddy.
    That night, Pinetop, Muddy, and I were scheduled to rehearse our songs for the show. I didn’t realize that some of those blues-oriented rock stars must have been in the room to watch Muddy.
    The next night, at the concert, Muddy, Pinetop, and I waited backstage to perform. Pinetop told me he heard one of The Beatles was there, not realizing that Ringo was sitting right next to him. Born in 1913, Pinetop knew as much about The Beatles as I know about The Backstreet Boys. Joni Mitchell, looking impossibly beautiful, introduced herself to Muddy. He didn’t know who she was, and just saw her as a young pretty woman. He flirted but she didn’t respond.
    I’m told that there was a backstage cocaine room, with a glass table and a “sniff-sniff” tape playing, but I never saw it. I did, however, see through Rolling Stone Ron Wood’s nearly-transparent prominent proboscis in profile. In the “green room,” Neil Young passed me a joint, smiling, “We’re all old hippies here.” Though I was 27, something about “old hippies” resonated with me for the future. Young was older than me by a few years and even had a couple of gray hairs then, but I remember thinking that nobody in that room was old yet except for Muddy and Pinetop. Now, I’m certainly an old hippie, though Pinetop, going strong at 88, is neither. As for Neil Young, film of his performance revealed a white rock up his nose, which was edited out frame-by-frame for the movie.
    California Governor Jerry Brown popped in and invited Bob Dylan to get together with him sometime. Dylan, relaxed and outgoing until The Governor arrived, instantly turned sullen and distracted, barely nodding without looking at Brown. The uncomfortable Governor soon left, and Dylan laughed just before he was out of earshot and reverted to his friendlier mode. Something is happening here, but I don’t know what it is.
    When it was our turn to play, Muddy and Pinetop sang the light, swinging “Caledonia” as they had for “The Woodstock Album.” In hindsight, I think Muddy could have presented himself more strongly with a deep slow blues like “Long Distance Call” which would feature his almighty slide guitar. But nobody could argue with his second song choice — “Mannish Boy” was always a show-stopper. It was preserved in full in The Last Waltz movie, which was released in ‘78. Harp player tip: Muddy loved the way Butterfield played on that song, setting up a warble that “holds my voice up” rather than just playing the song’s signature lick.
    Fatefully, only one camera was operating during our song, zooming on Muddy, but not changing angle. Standing close to Muddy, I was in every frame. Pinetop, at the piano way off to the side, unfortunately was never seen in the film. But as Muddy hollers “I’m a MAN” and we shout “Yeah” to answer, as we always did in that song, you can hear Pinetop also yelling, “Wahoo!” — which is a line from a politically incorrect joke that Pine had heard on the road, and was fond of telling over and over in 1976.
    Now, whenever The Last Waltz movie is shown on TV, a few people at my gigs tell me, “I saw you on TV!” and how I looked — happy or mad or scared or bored. I think they just project how they would feel. I was simply concentrating on playing, and particularly enjoying Muddy’s powerful shouting, Butterfield’s warbling-tension harp, Levon’s deep groove, and Robbie Robertson’s fiery guitar fills.
    Eric Clapton followed us, and as he began his first solo, his guitar strap unfastened, and he nearly dropped his Stratocaster. In the movie, his lips distinctly mouth, “Fuck!” and as he refastens the strap, Robbie picks up the solo and runs away with it.
    Muddy and Pinetop went right to their rooms after our set, but I went down to jam back at the hotel after the concert. This is where I realized that some of those blues-oriented rock stars had watched me rehearsing with Muddy and been impressed that I was playing Old School Chicago Blues in his road band and helping to arrange the songs for our performance. I also had a very cool blues guitar with me — my late-’50s Gibson ES-150 arch-top, which I also cradle on the cover of my latest album, “Hold Me To It.” Bob Dylan approached me and said he hoped we’d get to jam together. Then he disappeared. I did play “Hideaway” and some slow blues with Eric Clapton, whom I met that night. Dr. John sat at the piano for hours, and played along with everyone. My piano-playin’ sister Sherry, who lived nearby and was hanging out, sat near him, eyes glued to his funky fingers.
    Around dawn, I put my old guitar back in its case, and started to leave. Bob Dylan caught me in the hall and said, “I thought we were going to jam…” I decided to stay awake a little longer. We had Dr. John on piano, Ron Wood on bass, Levon on drums, Butterfield on harp, and Clapton, Dylan, and myself playing guitars. There were no vocal microphones, and we all played softly enough to hear Dylan sing “Kind Hearted Woman” and a few other well-known blues songs. His trademark vocal eccentricities sounded outlandish in the blues, but he did make them his own. Generally, the blues we played that morning were not remarkable, but I was honored to be jamming with these fine musicians, and I realize that they belong to the same “club” as you do — deep blues lovers.
    Recently, I read Levon Helm’s inside story of The Last Waltz in his autobiography, “This Wheel’s On Fire” (recommended!). I was shocked to find that because of time and budget constraints and Band politics, Muddy was nearly bumped from the show. Levon fought bitterly behind the scenes and prevailed to not only keep Muddy in but to indulge him with me and Pinetop too. We were treated as honored guests at The Last Waltz and I enjoyed the once-in-a-lifetime jam afterwards, but Levon never told us about making a stand for us. He just made us welcome. Ultimately, this gracious, classy, and tough gentleman was responsible for my good time there.

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A sealed, unlabeled box sat undisturbed for decades on a shelf in the Grateful Dead’s San Rafael tape vault on Front Street, its contents an enduring mystery, even to those few with access to the vault. All David Lemieux knew about that box when he became the Dead’s archivist was that it contained tapes belonging to Bear—Owsley Stanley, the Dead’s first soundman and architect of the Wall of Sound. Even in the Dead Heads’ Holy of Holies, the taped-up box was tantalizing. But this was Bear’s personal property, and so he didn’t touch the box out of an abiding respect for the elder luminary of sound. Bear’s archive of Sonic Journal recordings had been kept safe for him for years within the Grateful Dead’s vault—over 1,300 reels of tape stored in heavy-duty cartons like old banana boxes. At any time, David could have popped the tops and explored them to his archivist heart's content. But they were off-limits without the nod from Bear. - Starfinder Stanley, Hawk, and Pete Bell, Owsley Stanley Foundation

 

With a wink and a nod from Bear, we've peeled back those banana boxes to find some of the oldest and rarest of all recordings of the Dead including the double dose of shows that make up DAVE’S PICKS VOLUME 43. The two virtually complete performances from San Francisco 11/2/69, Live At Family Dog At The Great Highway, and from Dallas 12/26/69, McFarlin Auditorium, are complementary in their clarity and consistency thanks to Bear himself, and in their ability to foreshadow where the Dead were headed in the years to come. If the two killer 20-minute+ "Dark Stars" don't get ya, how about the Pigpen-centric sets featuring "Midnight Hour," "Next Time You See Me," "Big Boss Man," "Good Lovin'," and the once-lost-now-found complete rendition of "Dancing In The Streets," or the first full acoustic set ever performed? And we're certain you'll be fascinated to uncover the "Mystery Of Bear's Banana Boxes" as told by Starfinder Stanley, Hawk, and Pete Bell in the liners.

 

Limited to 25,000 numbered copies, DAVE’S PICKS VOLUME 43 was recorded by Owlsey "Bear" Stanley and has been mastered to HDCD specs by Jeffrey Norman at Mockingbird Mastering. Grab a copy while you can.

 

*2 per order. Very limited quantity available.

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Submitted by J3FF on Tue, 08/30/2022 - 13:01

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Absolutely. Let's have two shows. In order.

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Submitted by That Mike on Tue, 08/30/2022 - 13:24

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I would have been phucing bald as Uncle Fester if I was a passenger in your sister’s boyfriend’s car! Amazing he never got picked up by highway patrol. I drove to my grandmother’s funeral in ‘81 with my brother driving, and one of my father’s siblings in the backseat of a Mazda - Toronto to Montreal, should be 5.5 hours, we were there in 3.5 hours.
I noticed my aunt did not drive back with us, and I think we made it back even quicker.
You’re right - that is an awesome Jerry tune!!! Gotta pull out one of the Jerry collection tonight!

There are other Dick's Picks and Dave's Picks with 4 discs. Or they could even drop the fourth disc in a cardboard sleeve inside the case like they do with bonus discs...

For those of you who are so protective of Dave/Dead.Net... do you really think they're too greedy to include a 4th disc?

Most bands take a couple years to put together an album to sell for $12 to a lot fewer people than buy these shows... I don't think it's a lot to ask that DP add an extra disc to preserve the original order.

"The archive is free"? That seems like a perfect response to people who disagree about keeping the shows in order.

If you listen on the archive why are you arguing about the CDs? If you listen on the archive then what's the concern about packing as much music as will fit on the CDs?

I think it makes sense to package the CDs for the CD-using audience... no?

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Submitted by J3FF on Tue, 08/30/2022 - 13:45

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I didn't say you were being a jerk, because you're not.

I'm fine with you arguing-- I'm arguing as well.

But if you want to use a different word for the act of making repeated contrary assertions, feel free. I won't argue. :D

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Submitted by Charlie3 on Tue, 08/30/2022 - 14:32

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It must not be too big a problem to add a fourth disc to a release because they had four discs in both Dave's 36 and 40, which to be clear, I appreciated. I thought it was a sign that the folks at dead net and rhino are not just looking to maximize profits at the expense of customer satisfaction, but are willing to throw us a cool surprise now and again, on top of providing us with historic recordings that I still can't actually believe are being released in such quantities. We are, after all, kind of a niche market, and while I'm sure dead net and rhino are making a nice chunk of change off of these releases, I hardly think that we're all essential to their bottom line, pretty sure Warner and rhino will be just fine without us.

I would fall in the group that would prefer to pay a couple of dollars more for the subscription to include a fourth disc for one or more of the quarterly releases. Whey I pay for a disc, I just want to drop it in the player and play it, not program something every time to get it in the right order or burn it to a new disc to accomplish the same thing. Sorry if that just leaves anyone distressed or offended. Personally, I hear the arguments in favor of more music despite the disruption to the original song order and I see the merit of the argument, but I just have different priorities. And really, I just don't care enough to get upset that some of you folks prioritize the quantity of music over the actual sequence from the show. I enjoyed Dave's 43 a lot, I would have preferred it all to be in the right order - these statements are not mutually exclusive.

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Submitted by KRIYAS on Tue, 08/30/2022 - 16:55

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That US Blues is from the 90's release before that didn't fit. I look at it like old traders putting some extras on some bonus stuff for the weary...just because why not more GD. Really digging the Bobby Weir/Wolf Bros stuff, plus the Anthrax XL just noticed dug a few tracks off that always like ' keep it in the family.' Track order I didn't even notice on DaP #42 that Johnny b Goode and we bid you goodnight was on the second disc until...not sure? Didn't bother me, I just think to myself maybe they felt like coming back out for a long encore (disk 3). As for Dap #43 they could've hit random placement of songs with this (maybe not that extreme but you get it)and still wouldn't have mattered I listen to as is, and for this one I just think maybe I may have bogarted that j (digging some Little Feat today) and don't know what's going on anyhow. Hehe to me when its double 1969 gold blowing me up and suddenly disk 3 has the nerve to have everything it has but High Time, and Dark Star>New Speedway Boogie. YES! So my two cents that matters not is that we don't ask for more ways to increase pricing the current format is ok, like others mentioned with surprise 4th disks nice probably not always needed, just put whatever is left off on the next one that has time/space. My music varies favorites right now include Nick Cave, The National, Lord Huron, Been doing Beach Boys, Also listened to Zabriske Pointe SDtk today good stuff,. Plus not sure who mentioned the Garcia Bonnie Raitt show? Playing together or separate? Wow would've loved that. Also Traveling Wibury's that first album hits a couple spots hearing GH and RO to the end of the line. Everyone have a Grate Evening.

Laughing my ass off reading these posts.

Everybody just relax man we have you all night long...

Love Dave's Picks 43. An instant classic, just add jello.

...as for breathing walls, circa 1982 side 4 Electric Ladyland at high volume. Not only did the walls breathe, but they got very large and me small at the same time. I thought it best to leave the room and go outside until I could make sense of it all. Perhaps the best decision I made that night.

It's good to hear all these years later that I am not alone. Walls that breathe. Haa. Whew, mystery solved.

BTK, what I would give to have been at those Eel shows... ah, well, thankful for the ones I caught, wishful for the ones I missed.

As you were.. let me know when you get the song order thingie fixed.

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Submitted by Charlie3 on Tue, 08/30/2022 - 20:20

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I believe that That's What Love Will Make You Do is originally by Little Milton, and what a cool version it is.

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Submitted by Nick1234 on Wed, 08/31/2022 - 00:26

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Have you seen the Folio Society issue of Mervyn Peake's Gormenghast trilogy advertised? I was slightly interested until I saw the price, £745 !!!! I still have my Penguin paperbacks housed in a card slipcase that I bought when I was about 13 in 1973. Absolutely enthralled me then and i still love that world. I did my first acid about a year later and found myself somewhere that felt very familiar and of course it was how I had always imagined Gormenghast to be. But £745 for three books?

Nick1234 - yes, that's taking the biscuit. I have never actually read the Gormenghast Trilogy..just never got round to it. Maybe it would be a good companion for these darkening days - although I am 52 years older now than you were when you first read it.

Dicks Picks 12 spinning this very minute-that's 6/26/74 and 6/28/74 highlights. Brilliant music - but case in point - I played the 1st cd last night, from 6/26/74, and opened today with the second disc from 6/28/74. Or so I thought-after a great "Eyes", Phil says "see you Friday night." Oh. I thought this WAS Friday night.

Incidentally, I always enjoy discussions - exploring subjects I am interested in with other people who are similarly interested. Arguing is a different matter-that's just someone trying to convince you they are right all the time. You can't really talk with people like that unless you agree with them. Or pretend to.

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Submitted by PeteH on Wed, 08/31/2022 - 02:36

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Reading the comments on 3 or 4 CDs with a bit of amusement, sorry. If possible you should all be listening to these shows digitally . Long story short I replaced my 2012 Ram stereo this year and to find a car radio with a CD player and android auto and Ipod usable was really hard, especially with the supply chain covid issues so I opted for one without a CD player and although a bit of a pain in the neck I downloaded the CDs to my phone then played it in the car. That stereo malfunctioned rather quickly and I was able to replace it with one that had all the functions and a CD player. After all that I did an experiment and played a CD and then played the same show on Android auto on my phone and the difference was astounding! The digital version sounded so much better and clearer and I felt a little foolish insisting I get a stereo with a CD player since I haven't listened to one since! I know it's a bit time consuming but if you download the CD and then arrange the songs in the proper order on your device, which is what I believe Dave and Rhino believe most people do, there is no issue with the order the songs are on the CDs.
Just my humble opinion. Thanks

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Submitted by J3FF on Wed, 08/31/2022 - 03:00

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If the point was to accommodate folks listening from digital downloads I would think they would sell digital downloads. It's a very common practice. I think vinyl releases should be designed for folks to listen to on vinyl, and CDs designed with folks who listen on CD in mind.

I'm glad that it works for you folks who download your CDs and re-arrange them but I don't think that is a reason to not sequence the CDs in the correct order. If they put the songs in order you could still download them and have them in order (or shuffle them up if you wanted) and I could pop them in my CD player and have them in order.

I posted my comment hoping that JUST MAYBE someone from Dead.Net might actually read the comments on the "product page"--not to start a debate. Of course everyone is free to respond however they see fit.

But the point about how the customers can fix the messed-up CDs by downloading the music and not using the CDs seems silly. It's like if you gave a chair a negative review on Amazon because it arrived broken and I replied that it wasn't really a problem because I take all my chairs apart and make them into tables, so what's the problem with a broken chair-- they make great tables.

J3FF - I I have enjoyed reading your posts, but I think your'e barking up the wrong tree if you think anyone from Deadnet ( apart from Marye) reads them - let alone acts on them. To me, this is an outlet for discussion and expressing ideas - not changing policy. I think if I wanted to do that I think I send a pm to Marye, and ask her if she knew the best way of going about it.

Peteh - I don't even own a phone! I know....I'm living in the past.

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Submitted by That Mike on Wed, 08/31/2022 - 05:03

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Charlie - I never did know who did the original version of this song, and I was not familiar with Little Milton, but you are right, a great version, and some pretty sweet fretwork.
It is incredible the wealth and range of music Jerry and the boys knew, considering the internet was not really a thing for most, if not all, of Jerry’s or the Dead’s life. We can check out new or recommended artists with a quick search, but these guys came by their influences quite organically. Jerry selected some real keeper tunes that he made his own during his solo career, and this tune was always welcome.
What’s your favourite Jerry/JGB solo song? Don’t Let Go…Dear Prudence…That Lucky Old Sun…anything Dylan…???

“Farewell and adieu to you fair Spanish ladies. Farewell and adieu to you ladies of Spain.”

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Submitted by JimInMD on Wed, 08/31/2022 - 05:37

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I used to think all CD players are the same.. I mean, they playback identical digital information, right.. so if they do their job it should sound the exact same as the next player, right?

Writing this, I understand 90% of the people here know audio equipment better than me and most have better systems than me. I bet others chime in with more accurate information..

But there is a big difference between both players and the digital amps/preamps, etc. The digital encoder and playback functionality makes a big difference. The fact that your phone does a better job playing back your CDs than the CD player speaks more of the CD player and amp than anything else. Unfortunately.. things are not simple and rarely are as they appear. The folks that spend a small fortune on audio equipment are usually getting better sound and for a reason.

As to the previous point on song order, complete shows, getting the encore from one show two releases down the line as filler on a subsequent Dave's Picks, etc, I don't think anyone is disagreeing with you. Your point is singular, however, and other variables exist. What most find amusing, including me, is your tone. I think you underestimate Dave and what he has to contend with on the corporate side of things. These are first world problems to be sure and the fix isn't really that big of a deal. The model they set up is basically a three CD model that tries to release complete shows (or as complete as 'possible') four times a year allowing one bonus CD per year. They have on rare occasion tossed in an extra CD free of charge for subscribers, but they do charge extra ala carte for these. It's a minor inconvenience to tackle ripping them, adjusting the metadata so they play in the right order and burning the set using an extra disc or two. If you are constantly playing the originals, one day you will likely create a 'mistake' with one of these soon to be priceless discs and then you might be horrified to find it hopelessly out of print and have a decision to make in replacing it on the secondary market or sending your kid to college.. (sorry little Johnny!). We got an extra show for free, a twofer, and a spectacular one at that so most here are delighted with this one probably including Dave. Plus as DaveRock chimed in Lemieux isn't reading this and if he is, he certainly would not be mining our opinions to improve the series.

If it were my choice these two shows would have gotten their own release possibly meaning two 3 CD releases in the correct order with lots of black space on the discs (or some killer 69 filler) or they would have gotten stand-alone treatment in the form of Bear's Choice Volume 2. From my perspective, we would have gotten another 1969 release bumping up this neglected year. Both shows are release worthy, they sound great and the performances are worthy. I can only imagine the complaints we would have gotten, rotten tomatoes on the empty discs, etc.

Anyway, their primary responsibility is to restore these mostly ancient and delicate analog master reels and remaster them using the best tools and sound engineers (really these guys are master craftsman/artists) and get them out before they decay into oblivion and are forgotten to antiquity. The lonely reels aging in the vault are decaying and breaking down, but the time to restore and our ability to pay for all this is limited. If you look at it that way they are doing a very good job. Is everyone happy 100% of the time? Are decisions made in the production, packaging and marketing we find unfortunate? Yes! Well, we are fickle bunch, we cannot agree on anything.

Back your previously scheduled favorite keyboardist discussion complete with thoughtful analysis and detail supporting your points while still being very careful not to offend anyone who thinks differently.

I hope I did not offend. As you were.

...not to chum up the fray, but more to jimmy's point about the CDs being 'master copies' to us lay-folk, many of us do understand these are our own 'master' copies, and, therefore, a typical first procedure upon receipt for those who want to preserve these historical artifacts is to immediately plop them into our CD burners and burn them to a hard drive for forever safe keeping. A second step then, for those who love CDs (aka, me, others, most of us), is to burn a 'working copy' of said CD to then tote around. This way, it can get scraped, scratched, chain-sawed, whatever - and we can still go back to the original well and obtain an exact duplicate, pristine copy. And, if we do it right, that copy will have all songs in chronological order if that suits the listener.

Just my two cents.

At the end of the day - healthy discussion, seeing all sides, finding a throughway string, and meeting in the middle are talents that more and more human beings are unable to implement. This forum does go a long way to implement these tools, and for this I know we are All Grateful.

Be Well, People.
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Submitted by Dennis on Wed, 08/31/2022 - 07:20

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I check and indeed had Little Milton,,, nice cut.

All that talk about fast cars,,,,, made me pull out Solomon Burke doing "Fast Train". (yes my mind make odd connections!) (if you don't know Solomon's cover of this tune,,,, find it!)

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Submitted by Dennis on Wed, 08/31/2022 - 07:25

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Got amazon email,,,, Miles boot 7 coming on 9/16 (cd and vinyl).

Also, slow as I am,,, didn't realize that TTB I Am the Sun,,, sorry Moon,,, was a 4 part collection. Ordered all 4 yesterday,,, they are coming today,,,, thanks Vguy?

Still no word on the vinyl release of the "from the vault" series?!?! (wiping tear now)

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Submitted by Dennis on Wed, 08/31/2022 - 07:28

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.... think about how those poor bastards feel who bought the Lyceum digital. Now there's a bunch I feel for,,,, how can downloads not work????

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Submitted by 1stshow70878 on Wed, 08/31/2022 - 07:31

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Yes, I'd forgotten Mr. Youngman. Another master of self deprecating humor.
And now for something completely different.
Three weeks until MSG.
Cheers

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Submitted by billy the kiddd on Wed, 08/31/2022 - 07:49

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Dennis, I saw Solomon Burke play at the S.F Blues Festival one year, he was great.

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Submitted by PT Barnum on Wed, 08/31/2022 - 07:53

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hey now, it took me till 2000 before I got a computer, and I don't think I will be buying into that phone stuff either. But you never can tell. You can if you want to.
I remember back in the 70's we did a trip from Orlando to West Palm Beach in less than an hour and a half. We got behind a highway patrol car doing over 100mph followed him for many miles until he finally slowed down, got behind me and pulled me over. I got out of the car laughing and said, "I was only following you". He checked my license, said "slow down" and let us go. No roadside sobriety test, no ticket, nothing. Those were the days, but I don't recommend it today.
Breathing walls, yes, I have experienced that, kind of made me laugh. Now how about total loss of vision except for colors and patterns? I keep rubbing my eyes and saying, "did you see that?" No one did but me. The next time someone talked to me I said, "You can see me?" Those were the best days.
CD song order, mountain out of a mole hill.

You are correct - Henny Youngman was the source!
Did you see the Internet address I printed out a few days ago for the UHQR Clarity Vinyl Treatment edition of Kind of Blue? (If you’re interested, that is?).
So is it just 16 more sleeps until Miles Bootleg Vol 7?
Excellent choice on acquiring TTB. Truly the “double album” of the year (broken into 4 parts, I know…)

Looked great, but it was 150 bucks. My wife would REALLY not understand :-)

plus i've already spent a load on "other" things. Got that Eye-talian disease,,,,, fundsalow.

It's on the list though!

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Submitted by Angry Jack Straw on Wed, 08/31/2022 - 08:41

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Mike - that is one of the all time classic movie lines. Thanks for sharing.

Dave - you stole my thunder. The song sequencing on both DP12 and DP4 are out of order. Would you rather have those shows not released? Again, they are among the best of the entire series.

....each release is relatively short. 35-40 minutes. They could have easily combined two into one and made it a double release.....(jk. I'm done)

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Submitted by Slow Dog Noodle on Wed, 08/31/2022 - 09:40

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While I do agree with Jeff in theory, his proposed solution isn't as straightforward as he makes it seem. Just add another disc - it can't cost more than x. But its not that simple. Anyone who has watched Dave's seaside chats - and some people parse them as if Dave were Q him(/her?)self - knows that only after a big increase in subscriptions could Dave wrangle a 4-discer non-bonus situation release out of Rhino. They are not putting this music out only from the goodness of their heart; the bottom line has to work too. A lot of heads just don't seem to understand that this is a business, and with the way most people consume music now, Rhino, Dave etc. decided the increase in cost to produce shows with song lists in order, and the necessary price increase to cover that, weren't worth the squeeze.

And even if they did decide to do that, which they could - people would bitch and moan about that, or something just as silly. Just look over the last two pages of comments. Filler sucks! More filler! WTF?

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Submitted by 1stshow70878 on Wed, 08/31/2022 - 09:58

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P.T., Daverock, and me.
I thought I was the only human on the planet that doesn't have one.
Wife has had a cheapo not smart one for years but never used it. We always said it was for emergencies. She finally got a smart one this year as she will need it for her planned new telescope. So we got the wi-fi to go with it and now my little computer is slower than ever. I'll open a tab and it will go to an error message saying I'm not connected for many seconds. Too cheap to have it looked at and too dumb to figure out how to reconfigure it. Only benefit so far is that we can both browse at the same time instead of taking turns on the desktop. Didn't even get this computer until 2015 by which time you had to have an email address to do just about anything. Got tired of having to go to the library to check my emails. We had a computer in 1990 but of course no internet back then.
Despite the conveniences I just don't need one. Leave a message on the land line and I'll get back with you in half a day or less. Ah, the good old days. Nobody calls me anyway unless they are trying to sell me something.
A favorite song with phone reference, Please Don't Leave Me Wondering No Longer - ABB
"Tell me why when the phone rings baby, you're up and across the floor" (add slide guitar here).
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Submitted by That Mike on Wed, 08/31/2022 - 10:03

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Jack - It is indeed a great line from a blockbuster movie (when “blockbuster” meant quality not ticket sales) said by the incomparable Robert Shaw. VGuy mentioned getting tix to see it in IMAX (not sure how that will look in that format), and so many great scenes and lines come to mind!

Dennis - I totally get it.

VGuy - After “reading the room” regarding the posts concerning the “4th CD” for DaP 43, I really shouldn’t have bothered mentioning making TTB’s “Moon” a double album. I think that is what they call a “rapport breaker”. It makes no difference, it’s a brilliant suite, regardless.
(Fun fact: We all know this “Moon” saga is loosely based on the ancient Persian poem that inspired Layla, which begat a classic Derek & the Dominoes album that featured Brother Duane, and how Derek Trucks came to be named because of etc etc etc. The fact that blew my mind was Susan Tedeschi was born on the EXACT day that Layla was released. Yea, I felt a chill run up my spine, too!)

I do think there's a possibility some of you are being naive in thinking that business realities preclude adding an extra disc.

Garcia Family Provisions puts out 3-disc shows from the 70s for about $22, with much lower sales volume and presumably making a profit.

I'm not ignoring business realities--I feel like to the contrary the folks that assume Dave/Dead.net/Rhino are doing all they possibly could to get the most music out are being Pollyanaish. I think there's plenty of wiggle room to put the music out in complete shows--with a 4th disc--and still make a tidy profit.

I think it's inconsistent to say "hey it's a business" and in the next sentence say "well Dave said it is tough to add an extra disc so it must not be possible."

They are a very lucky business though to have so many customers that argue against someone asking them to deliver a better product.

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Submitted by Cousins Of The… on Wed, 08/31/2022 - 10:25

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Had to look it up to be sure.
"Pollyannaish, means “unrealistically optimistic.” If someone is acting Pollyannaish, then they are judged as showing an optimism that is extremely naive and unthinking. "

So I guess a lot of us are naive and unthinking, thanks a lot - Jeff, can you make your point without being so disparaging?

I don't really understand why so many folks want to step in and argue back against a customer asking for a better product.

If I put a review/customer feedback on any other website asking for something to be improved I don't think so many other customers would argue back about why Nike or Honda or whoever can't do what I'm suggesting...

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Submitted by Charlie3 on Wed, 08/31/2022 - 10:45

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Hands down, no hesitation, Don't Let Go would be my favorite JGB tune. From the first time I heard it on a bootleg of the 1982 JGB Music Mountain show in NY I was hooked, but every version I've got is pretty killer. Particularly a fan of the version from the JBG 2 CD release titled Don't Let Go, from the May 21, 1976 Orpheum Theatre show. Lots of great stuff in that show.

My discovery of Little Milton was just random happenstance. I was listening to the radio and there was a radio show hosted by Bob Dylan which included That's What Love Will Make You Do by Little Milton. Never know what you might learn if you're not careful while making your way through the day.

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Submitted by Cousins Of The… on Wed, 08/31/2022 - 10:48

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It ain't what you say, it's the way how you say it.
Your "I don't feel you really appreciate the experience of live Dead" comment was arrogant and unnecessary.

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Submitted by J3FF on Wed, 08/31/2022 - 10:54

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If someone told me they hit shuffle when they listen to Abbey Road would it be awful of me to say "I don't think you fully appreciate the experience of an album"?

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Submitted by daverock on Wed, 08/31/2022 - 11:00

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He cut some great tracks for Sun Records in the 1950s too. Incredible guitar sound. The word coruscating comes to mind.
Istshow - you seem to have a similar attitude to technology as myself ! The telescope sounds more fun than the phone.

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Submitted by Cousins Of The… on Wed, 08/31/2022 - 11:05

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I'd tell them to get the original pressing of the LP on vinyl, no shuffling possible! Latest remaster wasn't great, by the way.

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Submitted by That Mike on Wed, 08/31/2022 - 11:11

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Jack - I forgot all about the “doll’s eye” line! THAT is a classic! He made a bunch of great movies, agree on The Sting, and I always loved The Taking Of Pelham One Two Three (before that sad remake with Travolta). Gone far too soon. RIP!

Charlie - Don’t Let Go is a great choice! My favourite is him and Keith going back and forth on that really extended version on “Pure Jerry: Theatre 1839”. But Garcia could even take songs that were so-so originals, like Bruce Cockburn’s “Waiting For A Miracle”, and make it way better (I read Gloria Jones, a gospel singer by trade, recommended that one to Jerry).

Jack - One more, I can’t resist. Which character’s line is this:
“Martin, it’s all psychological. You yell, “Barracuda,” everybody says, “huh, what?” You yell “Shark,” we’ve got a panic on our hands on the Fourth of July.”

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Submitted by Charlie3 on Wed, 08/31/2022 - 11:11

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Thanks for the word of the day Daverock. Had to look it up, but now I know what coruscating means. Cool word.

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