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A sealed, unlabeled box sat undisturbed for decades on a shelf in the Grateful Dead’s San Rafael tape vault on Front Street, its contents an enduring mystery, even to those few with access to the vault. All David Lemieux knew about that box when he became the Dead’s archivist was that it contained tapes belonging to Bear—Owsley Stanley, the Dead’s first soundman and architect of the Wall of Sound. Even in the Dead Heads’ Holy of Holies, the taped-up box was tantalizing. But this was Bear’s personal property, and so he didn’t touch the box out of an abiding respect for the elder luminary of sound. Bear’s archive of Sonic Journal recordings had been kept safe for him for years within the Grateful Dead’s vault—over 1,300 reels of tape stored in heavy-duty cartons like old banana boxes. At any time, David could have popped the tops and explored them to his archivist heart's content. But they were off-limits without the nod from Bear. - Starfinder Stanley, Hawk, and Pete Bell, Owsley Stanley Foundation

With a wink and a nod from Bear, we've peeled back those banana boxes to find some of the oldest and rarest of all recordings of the Dead including the double dose of shows that make up DAVE’S PICKS VOLUME 43. The two virtually complete performances from San Francisco 11/2/69, Live At Family Dog At The Great Highway, and from Dallas 12/26/69, McFarlin Auditorium, are complementary in their clarity and consistency thanks to Bear himself, and in their ability to foreshadow where the Dead were headed in the years to come. If the two killer 20-minute+ "Dark Stars" don't get ya, how about the Pigpen-centric sets featuring "Midnight Hour," "Next Time You See Me," "Big Boss Man," "Good Lovin'," and the once-lost-now-found complete rendition of "Dancing In The Streets," or the first full acoustic set ever performed? And we're certain you'll be fascinated to uncover the "Mystery Of Bear's Banana Boxes" as told by Starfinder Stanley, Hawk, and Pete Bell in the liners.

Limited to 25,000 numbered copies, DAVE’S PICKS VOLUME 43 was recorded by Owlsey "Bear" Stanley and has been mastered to HDCD specs by Jeffrey Norman at Mockingbird Mastering. Grab a copy while you can.

*2 per order. Very limited quantity available.

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August 7, 2022 - 11:46am

#1131

Oroborous

Joined:
June 19, 2007

Simple must do audio rules

There are many things that can be done to get your system set up correctly that often can facilitate noticeable performance improvements equal too or greater than any electronics! Best part, they cost little or nothing!

SPEAKER PHASING: one of the most notorious mistakes that makes a huge noticeable difference and is super easy.
Make sure your positive amp/receiver terminal is connected to the positive of the speaker, ON BOTH speakers!!
So positive to positive, negative to negative etc. on both speakers.
If one is wired opposite of the other, your speakers are out of phase which means their working against each other instead of with each other. Speakers move back and forth, or in and out. If one is wired out of phase that means one speaker is pushing air out while the other speaker is pulling back in, thus effecting bass coupling dramatically! So what you say? You will likely laugh or gasp at how much better your speakers sound (bass enhancement) when you hear them in phase after getting used to them being out!

SPEAKER HEIGHT: the tweeter should always be placed at ear height. So if using stand speakers, measure so stand places the speakers tweeter exactly at listening position ear height. In conekids case he’s a little higher, which might effect his main position, but since he’s trying to cover 2 zones IR areas it’s a trade off. This is an example of how the situation may dictate slight tweaks, but you should at least start following these rules then tweek.

SPEAKER PLACEMENT: optimally should form an equilateral triangle: same distance from listening position to each speaker, and same distance between speakers. This can be tweaked depending on several variables.
Spread them out too far and you lose acoustic coupling and stereo imaging etc., too close together and your sound field collapses and you lose stereo effect etc. This is something you can play with and doesn’t cost anything.
Obviously you should try to avoid placing objects in front of speakers…
They should be placed along a wall, but out from the wall. Too close to the wall causes boundary issues that make bass bloated and unnaturally loud etc. Too far out from the wall and they can sound too thin (not enough bass).
Again, depending on your speakers and other factors you can play with this until you get it right.
Same with listening position: if you sit too close to any wall, but especially the back wall you’ll again suffer from boundary issues that unnaturally bloat/muddy bass.
Really you should never put speakers or listening position next to a wall!

RULE OF THIRDS: look it up. Though using the third dimension is usually not practical, the rule of fifths is and works perhaps better. What’s that you say? Divide your room into fifths. Place the speakers one fifth of the way in from the side walls, leaving three fifths between them. So a 20’ room would have the center of each speaker 4’ from the side walls with 12’ between speaker center points. Then, to form the equilateral triangle, measure 12’ from the center of each speaker to your ear position at your listening sweet spot! Depending on your speakers you may want to toe them in slightly versus having them point directly forward. Again, play around and tweek. Tweeting should be done vary slightly, sometimes an inch or two can make a big difference! Be slow and methodological.

SUB WOOFERS: I’m not a fan of subs for 2 channel stereo, but they can be a necessity for small bookshelf speakers etc.
Subs suffer even more from boundary issues described above! Corners are usually the worst place to put a sub woofer!
Here’s a trick. Place your sub in your listening position and put on some bass active music you know well. Now crawl around on the floor and listen. When you find the place the bass sounds best, put your sub there. This is a cheap down and dirty way to deal with room modes, one of the biggest negative factors in music enjoyment. (Look them up).
I have a fairly large above average system in a dedicated room, but my room is too narrow for my system so I often have horrible bass bloat issues because of these room modes etc. (funny but it’s mostly only a problem with old Dead when Phil was still playing Alembic lol). Usually I can just roll off a little of my 30 hertz eq nob on my C 40 pre amp. I have a DSP room unit that uses excellent Dirac SW, but haven’t gotten around to it (slacker).
There are many solutions and sometimes DSP can help (but that won’t do pure analog folks much good) but often the best way to deal with many of these issues is to follow these fairly simple rules and play around with things.

Oh, lastly. You can help smooth out your room by dampening first reflection points. There’s diffusion and absorption and more. But to keep it simple. We’ll just look at some basics.
Have someone with a mirror move along the side wall with the mirror. The place where you can see the speaker in the mirror while being seated in the listening position is the first reflection point. Put something (all kinds of things both diy and professional) in that spot along the wall (and ceiling if you want to go the extra distance) that will absorb the sound, so that your hearing the direct sound from the speaker without the phase issues and coloration of the reflected sound off the wall. This is another simple but big improvement.
You can experiment with placing adsorption in other obvious places like directly back from the speakers on the opposite wall. If you have a big room, perhaps look at second reflection points.

NOTE: this is not sound proofing! That is a whole other field above and behind this tutorial. Save your money! Putting egg crates, foam, or most of the items for sale on line DO NOT WORK! They will not stop bass from passing through walls and structure! Some of these products may help the sound in the room, but will do nothing for stopping it’s transmission out of the room!

SPEAKER ISOLATORS: another thing you just have to try. Using the pointy spikes or not for speaker feet. Sometimes they help other times you may want to isolate your speakers from the floor to eliminate too much bass and our help with transference to another room or dwelling.
Oh, use a heavy carpet on the floor at least between the speakers and listening position if not bigger. Put this is yet another situational thing that you may have to play with.

Remember folks: the situation is the boss!
Hope this helps!

HDCD: if everything is set up and functioning properly you can hear a difference. How noticeable or if noticeable will depend on your equipment, set up and ears. If you have a nice system and actually play discs, you might find some improvements but for many you might not really hear a difference, certainly not a huge difference so I wouldn’t worry too much about it. Following the above mentioned rules as much as possible will!

Oh, ps, the above assumes best case practices. As no room is perfect, and some are just plain awful, and many of us need to live with our significant others, ahem, obviously not everyone will be able to follow all of these.
August 7, 2022 - 11:44am

#1132

daverock

Joined:
September 1, 2014

Replacement

Cnkd - It never occurred to me at the time that I could have asked for a brand new replacement. The replacement from the shop floor is better - the first one used to skip tracks out - with this one it's just the delay in registering which track is playing by about a second that's a bit odd. It plays to perfection apart from that. And really sounds good.
August 7, 2022 - 11:14am

#1133

Dennis

Joined:
November 1, 2012

Sound systems

Good talk.

More important to system?

Listening!!!

When I bought my system the guy told me, you will not hear what this system does, while doing the dishes, while cleaning, while doing anything else. You have to sit and listen.

It's true.

Sound systems and people are a funny thing. I think MOST people listen to the radio and only own a handful of cd's/albums, usually the stuff they listen to in high school or college,,,, after that they stop buying. Kids today seem to live off spot-e-fied and own nothing. I have found the largest genre in people's collection is christmas albums (go figure!)

I think this group of people are the exception to that.

What'd ya think?
August 7, 2022 - 11:04am

#1134

KeithFan2112

Joined:
August 6, 2014

Since there's a CD player discussion going on...

For people who are listening on HDCD players, what sort of improvement can you hear in the audio? I would think there is some discernable improvement.

I think I've listened to these shows 10x each. Moved on to others in the time period. Doing Dick's Picks 4 at the moment. I was not hardcore into the Dead when it was released. I imagine people were reacting even more positively into it than even this Dave's Picks, due to the Fillmore legend of the Feb 13 & 14 shows when it came out. Was there a discussion board up at the time to spread the enthusiasm?

Vguy - good to see the red dice and green felt has returned - it's positively you.

Nitecat - also digging TC's contributions on these shows. When he was "on" and audible, he really filled out their sound nicely.
August 7, 2022 - 9:44am

#1135

icecrmcnkd

Joined:
October 20, 2015

More audio talk

Wow, Daverock that’s a pricey player to be malfunctioning, and then be replaced by a floor model (which apparently has the same defect). They should have given you a new one from the factory.

I thought that my new Cambridge Audio CD player was defective but then realized that my Vizio TV remote interferes with it. I had the TV on and was going through the menu adjusting settings but every time I hit a button on the TV remote the CD player would jump tracks or stop playing. Was relieved to find that the CD player was fine.

Nick, go with what sounds best to you.

Last night spun the Anthem of the Sun CD that I bought in 1989 (it’s the 1971 remix) and it sounded pretty dull.
Then put in Steppin’ Out CD3 and started at Truckin’. Sounded better, but not that great.
DaP43 sounds far superior to those older CD’s.
August 7, 2022 - 12:34am

#1136

daverock

Joined:
September 1, 2014

Magic Ingredient

To me, the best sounding recordings I ever heard were the first ones I got, between 1971 and about 1978. They were records, and what made them great was the magic ingredient. It had nothing to do with what I played them on. If your system captures that-you've got it. For me you can no more improve on that than you can The Grand Canyon

Nick1234 - having said that, I got a Rega Saturn-R cd player about 3 years ago. And it sounds great - but the first one I bought had to go back to the shop after about 9 months, as some cds wouldn't play-and others jumped to the 3rd or 4th track when I wanted to hear the 1st one. They eventually replaced it with a display model from the shop floor. That is great - although I have noticed that half way through a cd...when the music for track 4 starts, the display unit still shows track 3 for a few seconds - it is slightly behind the music. But the sound quality is top notch. As for the magic ingredient....
August 6, 2022 - 10:21pm

#1137

Charlie3

Joined:
September 21, 2015

My Wife

I joke, but my wife has put up with my idiosyncrasies and such for 30 years, 36 if you count the time we were together before getting married. She deserves a medal, 'cause I am aware that I can be a difficult person to live with sometimes.

The speakers have a clear pretty clear path to spread the sound around the space and the actual speakers are at the upper two thirds of about a 43 inch high tower, so a bit above the ground, and built to tilt ever so slightly to direct the sound slightly upward and fill the space nicely, so I exaggerate about the impediments, or more accurate to say I just get a little obsessive about the impediments to the sound.

For tonight's classic '70s movie I went with the Godfather, the first one. I've watched it several times before but it never disappoints, I love that movie every time. A near perfect movie, weirdly gratifying.
August 6, 2022 - 8:58pm

#1138

Nick1234

Joined:
September 10, 2008

System advice

While we're on the subject can I ask for a bit of advice? I'm in the market for a new system and at the moment I'm thinking of a Naim Supernait 3 amp and B&W 702 S2 speakers. I can audition these at my local hifi dealer. What CD player to accompany these? I'm not going for a turntable at the moment. I have 5 weeks to audition anything at my local shop before I move to the Shetland Islands and there's no hifi dealer there that I'm aware of so it's now or never. I'd sort of like to support Rega as their factory is about a mile from my current house but at these prices I'll go for the best fit for my ears.
August 6, 2022 - 5:37pm

#1139

Vguy72

Joined:
June 29, 2007

Also point out....

....that at concerts, they raise the stacks on cables for maximum efficiency.
August 6, 2022 - 5:04pm

#1140

icecrmcnkd

Joined:
October 20, 2015

Charlie, etc

Point out to your wife that at concerts they don’t put the speakers on the floor, that would block the sound.

My kitchen and living room are connected end-to-end, about 12 feet wide, so not a huge area to fill with sound. The speakers in the air project the sound into the kitchen perfectly, with the sweet spot from the front of the couch back to the island in the kitchen. Can also see the TV on the wall from the kitchen.
It’s just me and my dog, so I can turn the volume up as loud as I want.

I’ve had this new CD player for 2 weeks and have also been playing non-GD CD’s to see how they sound. The Cambridge Audio dealer that I got it from said that it needed about 100 hours of use to get broken in so I’ve been spinning CD’s instead of using my iBasso music player.
Once the CD player is broken in I might then run it into the DAC via stereo RCA cables which I did at first, and it boosts the signal by about 20 dB according to having to turn down the volume, but I wanted to break it in sending the signal to the receiver.

Spinning Rush - Exit Stage Left currently.
This morning was Floyd - More and then Piper.
I’m thinking next the Anthem of the Sun CD I bought in 1989, want to see if that sounds good or if it’s a victim of crappy 80’s mastering.

The iBasso music players come with a burn-in adapter which simulates the electrical resistance of being plugged into a stereo system. You plug that in and put a show on loop and just let it run for about 50 hours, and then it’s supposed to be broken in.

John Perry Barlow

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A sealed, unlabeled box sat undisturbed for decades on a shelf in the Grateful Dead’s San Rafael tape vault on Front Street, its contents an enduring mystery, even to those few with access to the vault. All David Lemieux knew about that box when he became the Dead’s archivist was that it contained tapes belonging to Bear—Owsley Stanley, the Dead’s first soundman and architect of the Wall of Sound. Even in the Dead Heads’ Holy of Holies, the taped-up box was tantalizing. But this was Bear’s personal property, and so he didn’t touch the box out of an abiding respect for the elder luminary of sound. Bear’s archive of Sonic Journal recordings had been kept safe for him for years within the Grateful Dead’s vault—over 1,300 reels of tape stored in heavy-duty cartons like old banana boxes. At any time, David could have popped the tops and explored them to his archivist heart's content. But they were off-limits without the nod from Bear. - Starfinder Stanley, Hawk, and Pete Bell, Owsley Stanley Foundation

With a wink and a nod from Bear, we've peeled back those banana boxes to find some of the oldest and rarest of all recordings of the Dead including the double dose of shows that make up DAVE’S PICKS VOLUME 43. The two virtually complete performances from San Francisco 11/2/69, Live At Family Dog At The Great Highway, and from Dallas 12/26/69, McFarlin Auditorium, are complementary in their clarity and consistency thanks to Bear himself, and in their ability to foreshadow where the Dead were headed in the years to come. If the two killer 20-minute+ "Dark Stars" don't get ya, how about the Pigpen-centric sets featuring "Midnight Hour," "Next Time You See Me," "Big Boss Man," "Good Lovin'," and the once-lost-now-found complete rendition of "Dancing In The Streets," or the first full acoustic set ever performed? And we're certain you'll be fascinated to uncover the "Mystery Of Bear's Banana Boxes" as told by Starfinder Stanley, Hawk, and Pete Bell in the liners.

Limited to 25,000 numbered copies, DAVE’S PICKS VOLUME 43 was recorded by Owlsey "Bear" Stanley and has been mastered to HDCD specs by Jeffrey Norman at Mockingbird Mastering. Grab a copy while you can.

*2 per order. Very limited quantity available.

Pure Jerry

That Mike, that Pure Jerry Theatre 1839 (July 29 and 30, 1977) Don't Let Go is another smoker. Can't get enough of that tune.

Mike

Without looking it up I am guessing Brody.

Robert Shaw. Yup. Way too early. His lifestyle got the best of him. Heart attack while driving home in Ireland.

That Mike

I'm going with the mayor. Dumbass gets some redemption later after he is responsible for some of the continuing deaths as he won't let them close the beaches. Big money wins again. We need those tourist dollars!
Cheers
For a favorite Jerry tune how about Mississippi Moon. Don't know if it was ever done live though. I just love the feel and mood of that one with the oboe in there. Hard to do live. For that matter the whole Compliments album is likely my favorite of his solo studios.

Amity

Jack - Good guess, but nope. It was the Mayor of the town (cannot think of the character’s name). Remember he got all panicky that these three guys - Scheider, Shaw, & Dreyfuss - would be looking for a shark during THE biggest tourist weekend of the year, ie - The Fourth of July? He almost had to be put on oxygen, he was just peaking!

Charlie - I’ll be cuing that Pure Jerry album up this coming weekend, for sure!

Edit: 1st Show! You got it! For your prize, please pick anything - anything - from Dennis’ very extensive collection! ;)

Cousins of The...

Sorry, though, if I hurt your feelings, Cousins of The...

I grew up on the mean streets where nearly every day someone in my gang would say "if you believe THAT you are being Pollyanaish." So I guess I became inured to such rough talk.

Such a cute reply, Jeff

I'm recovering from Covid, so I will admit I have a short fuse these days.
Anyway, no hurt feelings.
Peace, and....there I removed the offending line!

:D

Ha!

I hope you recover quickly and fully.

Cousins

No need to remove the colorful sign-off... now I look like I'm laughing at you being sick. ;)

Trivia Prize

Dennis do you have anything stored in banana boxes?
Cheers

6/16/82 & Let it Go FFS!

Yeah Charlie, I love that JGB show, one of my favorite tapes BITD!
Billy K on drums!
Would make a nice release, could pair with Bobs set like that Long Island 89 they released!

Speaking of not letting go:
Dude, ENOUGH already!!
You said your piece, now get out.
You stated your opinion, which is fine, then you argued your opinion in the face of overwhelming opposition ad nauseam, which is ok, but PLEASE let it go, we get it already. Sorry your not happy!
98% of the folks here totally disagree with you so let it go and move the fuck on, your ruining the vibe!
Maybe next time they’ll only give us one short show on three discs, but hey it’ll be in order!
FFS, don’t you have anything better to do? Or maybe that’s the real situation here: your bored and think this is funny?

COUSINS: be well soon!

Jeff...

That's all good, man. I don't want to add any ugliness to this otherwise fine forum.

To quote the dude from the Dead Movie...

...ST STEPHEN!!

Thanks Oro
Time to drop that topic.

Wow, Oro

I thought it was pretty clear I'd dropped it. (My last post on the issue was 14 posts before yours telling me I'm wrong and why won't I drop the issue! :D)

I only commented further beyond my original post to reply to other folks who were saying why I was wrong. I didn't realize I was supposed to shut up and not respond.

And none of my posts were as dickish as yours (FFS).

"Now now kids"....

...."Don't fight." Garcia banter quote.

Ok folks, hang on

Doesn’t anyone appreciate satire anymore?? J3ff, I hold no grudge towards you, or anyone else here. It’s that occasionally, when it occurs to me that our complaints just fly in the face of how LUCKY are are to continually receive these audio gifts, I feel the compulsion to respond. And sometimes I think human nature helps us forget how blessed we are. I have no malice toward ANYONE here. I have some favorites, just as we all do. But sometimes a contribution to this thread just gets me needing to send a vitriolic, though tongue in cheek, response. I LOVE the discussions we have here, and occasionally like to contribute. I just can’t help that my cynical Lenny Bruce or George Carlin comes sneaking out sometimes.
We are such a broad, diverse bunch. Of course we’re going to have differences of opinion. Who cares?? It would be pretty boring if we all agreed on everything.
Anyway, there was never a point at which I wanted to insult or hurt ones feelings. I’ve said this before and I’ll say it again. You can try hard as you like to hurt my feelings. It will never happen. Words are incapable of upsetting me. Well, unless it’s from an old girlfriend I still have feelings for, But I digress. I encourage good thoughtful dialogue, and the more differing the opinions, the better I like it. You know what?? Music is the Best!!

Thanks, Mr. Ones

I appreciate this follow-up post. And I recognize that my original post carried a lot of frustration at the imperviousness of Dead.net to customer feedback--even from customers who have spent thousands of dollars buying CDs of old concerts--which apparently annoyed a number of Daveheads.

But I thought at the core I was making a legitimate request.

I think satire is probably better directed at public figures or governments or drinking buddies rather than someone making a product suggestion in a product forum--especially since the satire involved comically exaggerating or misstating what I was actually saying, which seemed to inform other comments representing that I would prefer to have LESS MUSIC as long as it was in order.

I was actually asking that Dave/Dead.net/Rhino please give us an extra disc so the songs could be in order, and that I don't think it's economically out of reach to do so as represented by many other archival releases from other bands, including JGB.

I don't think anyone could sincerely oppose getting a fourth disc and both entire shows in the correct order, so a lot of people offended by my impudence instead made a straw man to argue with--saying I was asking for less music as long as it was in order.

The powers that be may not be willing to add a fourth disc under circumstances like those in Dave's Picks 43. But I don't see the harm in asking.

Owsley's banana boxes

I sure wish that they would release a list of the tapes that are in Owsley's boxes, that would be cool. Hopefully, they have the tapes from the tour of the Great Northwest in 1968 in there. It's really something to look forward to, what will be released from that box

Song Order

Not the first time Dave has done this and probably won't be the last. In fact the last time he did it before #43, was #42.

I also remember the 73 30 Trips show from San Diego.

Sure hope we get another two show 4 disc release to end the year. 91? Might be time.
Sixtus, I am impressed with your system. Maybe someday I will there. I bet you have quite the top drawer!

Favorite JGB Release

Quick and to the point before lighting up.......After Midnight, Kean College, 2/28/1980. Plus it has Hunter singing 2 tunes. Killer version of "The Harder They Come". It doesn't get any better.

Favorite J.G.B.release

The acoustic music from the Lunt Fontanne Theatre. I saw the Garcia Acoustic band in 1987 at the Warfield, and they were absolutely fantastic!

Little Milton...

Live at Westville Prison '83 (Delmark Records) is one of my fave Blues LP's of all time...

Kean college

Aye, Rasta...good stuff.

ST. STEPHEN, indeed. And "now now kids"...

...

6 22 86
Ya might not think that a show with that date would be recommended. Ya would be wrong.

September arrives tomorrow with the new boxset coming up. Yahoo!!!

I am sick to death of this hot weather in Seattle. Please cool down!!!

Rolling Stones

I recently have discovered Its Only RnR album

Pretty dang good

Also Black and Blue is better than first impression from 1979

So I put The Wall on shuffle J3FF....

....yeah. It wasn't Abbey Road, however, I'll never do that again. I think I broke a synapse lol.

FFS...

...is exactly what I thought this morning after waking with a migraine and immediately dropping and destroying my cell phone on which I run my business. FFS indeed. Spent the afternoon wasting half a day running around getting a new phone in Missoula. Tomorrow I can try to reassemble my calendar, which, of course, was entirely on my cell phone, including tracking down the phone number for the appointment that I have scheduled for some now unknown time next week so I can call and find out when the appointment is scheduled to occur. The only bright spot was listening to the Sunstroke Serenaders performing an excellent show while driving around in what passes for traffic in Missoula. Pretty sure a number of you are fans of the Sunstroke Serenaders, if not check 'em out, good stuff.

That Mike, you mentioned that the Pure Jerry had an extended Don't Let Go, and wow, forgot that it was 27 minutes, that will be getting a spin soon for sure.

Oro, cool that you are familiar with that Music Mountain JGB show, I had a tape with only Don't Let Go, the Night They Drove Old Dixie Down, and Run for the Roses along with some random unrelated tunes from totally unrelated artists.

Digging the Jaws quote-fest even though it's not my favorite movie. Here's a favorite quote of mine from a favorite movie of mine, "Hey, listen, I want somebody good - and I mean very good - to plant that gun. I don't want my brother coming out of that toilet with just his dick in his hands, alright?" Classic line, classic movie. Feel free to identify or ignore the movie and speaker.

Movie qoute....

....Chinatown? Total guess.
The Sunstroke Serenaders are tied for first with my other three favorite bands. The Warlocks, Mythical Ethical Icicle Tricycle and The Emergency Crew.
I can't believe I forgot about those cats.
I hope they made it big!
It's mesquite salmon and bacon wrapped asparagus on the menu tonight boyz and girlz!
Back in the day, we used to linq recipes here. So many roads ago.
A week to go until Leppard/Crue/Poison/Jett. Stage show looks incredible. Final stop on the tour as it should be. Granddaughter is all in. She loves Mick Mars and Bret Michaels. The next day, there is a reptile expo here. She loves snakes. Me? Not so much. But chameleons are cool and I just want a couple of geckos.

VGuy, Rasta

Vguy- "The Wall on Shuffle" 😆😆

Rasta- great call on "After Midnight"... hadn't heard that one. Listening now and it's killer.

2.28.80 Kean College....

....yes.
The Eel Box is also special to me. Especially the 8.10.91 show. Best The Way You Do The Things You Do that I've ever heard. Plus a You Never Can Tell (C'est La Vie). And a Shining Star. And a Lazy Bones. And a Struggling Man. And a Lay Down Sally.
That show had it all.
Which reminds me. I need to frame the print that came with pre-orders.

Charlie

Charlie, that is a bummer, not fun when the phone goes down.

Movie, The Godfather.
Sonny speaking to Clemenza.

DeadVikes

You are the winner, it was in fact Sonny speaking to Clemenza during preparations for Michael to kill The Turk and his police captain bodyguard in the Godfather. Watched 1 and 2 in the last month, and love them both, but I would have to go with 1 as my favorite. And yes, phone replacement sucks.

And VGuy, you get the prize for your lightning fast identification of some other names used by the Sunstroke Serenaders.

Easy Listening Earworms

Keep getting Nicolette Larson's version of Lotta Love stuck in my head on a loop...

Loving the Movie References...

Yes, Jaws is not the greatest movie ever.. Chinatown and The Godfather both surpass it by a longshot.. but in the summer of '75 that shark reigned supreme. Quint was the star in my eyes. He had grit. Farewell And Adieu Fair Spanish Ladies' indeed. Looking back it seems a bit tacky, they had major trouble with the special effects.. dated is perhaps the word I am looking for, but the timing was perfect. It's every bit as good a monster as Frankenstein, which reminds me.. a happy belated birthday Mary Shelley.

Now where were we? It appears everyone is getting along grandly.. Long drive today, might have lost a car on the way.. had to crawl back in a rental. Good thing it wasn't my car, but the owner is more than a bit distraught, happened far away from home. Got in some good '74 on the drive.. and a little May '69 for good measure. Decided to offer and eat the cost of the rental. The good news is, it was late and we somehow did not get stranded. First time I ever used Uber, they don't have those where I live. Aye.. there's aways good and bad in life. Gota admit, the transition in the China Rider pulled me through. Holy cow, 1974 GD cures all.

Farewell And Adieu Fair Spanish Ladies'. Still cracks me up, makes me want to smash a Styrofoam cup in my hands while talking like a pirate.

Rest up Cousins.. hoping a speedy, harm-free recovery finds you.

Charlie

Charlie - That is 27 INCREDIBLE minutes of “Don’t Let Go” on the Pure Jerry release! Enjoy, my friend! (As an extra, play the 5 song bonus disc “More After Midnight” that came with the Kean College release. Jerry plays like I wish he would have on more occasions- he really turns it up, and gave his axe a workout! A gem!)

PS - Now I’ve got that silly “Lotta Love” in my head! I do that to my wife occasionally- start purposely humming/singing some ear worm, and within minutes, I can hear her down the hall, or in the kitchen, singing it. “California Dreamin’” by the Mamas & Papas seems to be really effective, and has staying power.

Vguy and lizards (not the lounge type)

I had a gecko,,, I named him Art.

Where's that from?

JAWS

...speaking of which, I scored tickets for Jaws in Imax 3D this weekend with two of our kids (age 8 & 6, and yes they frigging LOVE this movie...we've watched together many many times over the years). I'm really interested to see how good the film looks in 3D, cause it's gonna be even better than the days of Avatar - so they are saying. It will also be cool to see it up on the big screen, as I was too young when it came out to get that real experience.
Quint is awesome, but Bruce takes the show.

Please carry on with your regularly scheduled Estimated > Eyes.

Sixtus

ah..

Bruce (the Shark), then Quint

Things

A little late here, had to attend a funeral. Hopefully we laid to rest the cd sequencing issue :-)

J3ff - I smiled at your Pollyanna comment about your gang. Our gang used to yell, "Gowan home your Mudda callin".
Really though felt bad for ya. Reminded me of a Bugs Bunny cartoon,,,, "dog pile on the rabbit, dog pile on the rabbit"
Would have thought you said something unthinkable like "let's nail jesus to a cross", fuck, forgot we did that! brought to mind the Solomon Burke doing Fast Train,

You had to go on the lam you stepped into no-man's land
Ain't nobody here on your waveband
Ain't nobody gonna give you a helping hand

1st and banana boxes, sorry just keep my drugs in there (like Johnny Cash). Bought a box of banana once,,,, they held no appeal.

Vguy - wall shuffle, big smile here. We talk about this one all the time at work. How can you play a sliver of the wall, let alone out of order?

Mr 1 - Lenny Bruce? Anyone watching Mrs Maisel,,,, Lenny is there.

Just as a way out, some funny blues lyrics.

Enjoy

Honey Where the money go, Honey where the money gone
Where the money go, I been working two jobs baby
Bring you all my dough, Now they say you got another man
And your leave me right away
What happened to all that cash Been keepin for a rainy day
Well there's one thing one thing, One thing I want to know
I don't care where the lovin went, Baby where did the money go

Can't move round this old house For catalogs and shoppin bags
Meanwhile they reposess The only car I ever had
Took away my TV set And cancelled my Credit ring
Can't find those dollar bills I been keepin in a coffee can
Well there's one thing one thing, One thing that I want to know
I don't care where the lovin went, Baby but Honey where did the money go

Baby you look so good In your brand new dress
I wondered how you paid for that Now you just let me guess
Now you say you're movin on Headin where the livin is fine
How come I get the feelin that It cost me my last dime
Well there's one thing one thing, One thing I really want to know
I don't care where the lovin went, Baby, but Honey where did the money go

Inquiring Minds Want To Know

Dennis - In your youth, were you running with Tony and Bobby and Paulie and the other Sopranos??

Mike and my youth

I'm from Jersey, you might know an Eye-talian or two. Funny thing, though the big whine there is "not all Italians are in the mafia",,,, but all Italians tell you about their Uncle who is connected!

My one buddy, Johnny the Nose, his uncle specialized in weed and fireworks. Yes, fireworks. Illegal in NY/NJ, but Johnny boy would sell massive amounts for his Uncle (his Italian Uncle). When I was very young and shining shoes in bars, there was "Harry the Horse", had trunk loads of "stuff" all the time. Always had a load of 8 tracks for sale. Then there was Charlie, he acquired nice camera equipment and calculators when they first came out. Sold a shit load of cameras, film and calculators for him. Sold a load to teachers in my high school. My old man, though not Italians (but usually had choice things to say about the ones down the street), moved quite a bit of "warm" stuff.

Maybe I just grew up poor-ish. Like Mrs Simmel says in Python's Piranha Brother skit - Kipling Road was a typical sort of Eastend street, people were in and out of each other's houses with each other's property all day. They were a cheery lot.

Like the song says, just life on the poor side of town!

Didn't leave a horse head in anyone's bed,,,,, but may have supplied a horse or two. That's probably a buried secret so keep it to yourself.

The Jersey Stories

Your story and the characters you ran with would make a hell of a book, Dennis!! Embrace your New Jersey!

“Everything is legal in New Jersey”
From the play Hamilton,' Lin-Manuel Miranda

Dammit Charlie ; ) lol

I’ve had Lotta Love stuck in my head all morning lol.
The Neil Young version, though doesn’t Nicolette accompany?
Man, haven’t heard that in fo-ever!

My cousin Dennis, fo-git a boutit
Don’t fo-git Pussy and Silvio!
Gotta a steady job, hauling items for the mob
The pay was pathetic, it’s a shame those boys couldn’t be more copacetic!

Fucking Hunter, who else, maaaayybe Dylan, would use copacetic in a rock song!
Brilliant!

Dylan's Version

Maybe in Hurricane?
In Jersey everything's legal.
As long as you don't get caught.
Cheers

Silly?!

That Mike, I don't know what version of Lotta Love you've got stuck in your head, but that Nicolette Larson version is genuine, pure late 1970's, easy listening, gold. If you're not feeling it that way I suggest just sitting down and putting the official video on utoob on loop and settling in until that 1970's "have a nice day" smile spreads across your face of its own volition. Once you've got it, let everybody you meet today know by flashing that smile and telling them to have a nice day!

As an alternative, if you simply must get it out of your head I would suggest repeated viewing of the classic, bitter, after the love is gone, hit Fuck You by CeeLo Green off his Lady Killer album. If you can watch the first part of the video to that track, with the little kid version of CeeLo walking into the diner at the start of the video, and not crack up you're missing something that I seem to have in abundance - call it an appetite for low brow humor. After a few viewings you should be free and clear of the Lotta Love earworm. Now that you've got the CeeLo Green track in your mind, let everybody know when you meet them today and give 'em a perky ...

Oro & copacetic

I love unusual/seldom used words in songs and yeah, copacetic is one of them. Any other song use it?

Motown seems to use the word "gloom", not a rare word, but odd song word. Gloom in Wish it Would Rain and 7 rooms of gloom.

Smoke Gets in your eyes uses "Chaffed",,,, except for parties I've never "chaffed".

Other odd words?

Mike,,, that's Jersey

That's how you tell reall Jersey people. We say "Jersey", not "New Jersey".

..... where ya from? Jersey

:-)

Back to typing song titles in!

check u-boob "Choir From Hell Trip McCool"

My Mea Culpa

Hey Charlie - I wasn’t being dismissive to Ms Larsen with “silly”, perhaps I should have found a better word. Regardless, not to worry, I’ve had “California Dreamin’” stuck in my head all morning.

Dennis - My apologies- Jersey. Just Jersey. Maybe I play some music from Frank, The Chairman himself, as penance? Or some Bon Jovi (or is it just Jovi…?)

Redemption

Just finished listening to that 27 minute Don't Let Go from the Pure Jerry release, and yes it is incredible, so no worries about the use of the word "silly" in reference to Nicolette. I just couldn't resist expressing my mock horror. Hopefully nobody interpreted it as sincere condemnation for a goof about an easy listening earworm.

Regional Speech

I grew up in Orange County, NY, so that NY-NJ-PA tri-state area, so definitely some New Jersey influences on the speech patterns. And the New Jersey transplants I knew were Scott from Jersey and Andy from Jersey, no New involved. When I moved to MT it took a little while to slow down when I talked, 'cause folks out here just talk a bit slower than in NY and NJ. Other differences as well obviously, had to make some vocabulary adjustments too. One of the things that I find relaxing about the Sopranos is just hearing familiar speech patterns.

Odd words - fickle

I always liked the line "You can call me a fickle thing" in Move Over Darling by Doris Day.

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