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    Madison Square Garden 3/9/81
    Madison Square Garden 3/10/81
    Madison Square Garden 9/20/82
    Madison Square Garden 9/21/82
    Madison Square Garden 10/11/83
    Madison Square Garden 10/12/83
    Newly restored and speed-corrected audio by Plangent Processes
    Mastered by Jeffrey Norman
    Liners by award-winning music journalist David Fricke
    Artwork by Dave Van Patten
    Individually Numbered, Limited Edition Of 12,500

    “Welcome to the unique, enduring phenomenon of the Grateful Dead in New York City, a mutual devotion, forged in concert, that ran for nearly as long as the band itself—from June 1, 1967, a free show in Tompkins Square Park on the Lower East Side (ahead of the band’s official, local bow at the Cafe Au Go Go), to the Dead’s last Garden run, six nights in October 1994…the Dead’s affinity for New York City…was instant and arguably their most profound with any city aside from San Francisco.” - David Fricke

    They got on the bus to the Port Authority, rode in on the Long Island Railroad and the New Jersey Transit line. They traveled North, South, and West on the 1, 2, and 3 subway lines, their numbers growing as they descended upon Penn Station. Some rolled up in those iconic New York yellows. Some walked excitedly through the bright lights of Broadway and Times Square, meeting up with old friends on the way and picking up a few new ones too as they ascended The Garden's stairs. Maybe you were among them - lightly buzzed on the way in, fully aglow on the way home. New York City was in its prime and damn if the Grateful Dead wasn't going to rise up to meet it! If you were there, we call on you to join us as we recapture that MSG magic and if you weren't, we invite you along on the epic journey that is IN AND OUT OF THE GARDEN: MADISON SQUARE GARDEN '81 '82 '83.

    Numbered and limited-edition to 12,500, this 17CD set celebrates the band’s rich history at “the world’s most famous arena,” introducing six previously unreleased shows recorded at MSG between 1981 and 1983. It offers a front-row seat to the Dead in the early 1980s, an overlooked and underestimated era of rebirth for the band. At the time of the recordings, the group featured Brent Mydland. Mydland’s vocal power and colorful keyboard palette energized the band, invigorating older material like “The Wheel,” “Truckin’” and “Eyes of The World.” He also gave the band more musical flexibility, which encouraged them to dust off rarely aired treasures like “Dupree’s Diamond Blues” and “Crazy Fingers.”

    IN AND OUT OF THE GARDEN touches on the three-year period after 1980’s GO TO HEAVEN was released, a time when the Dead were constantly on the road, playing more than 200 dates. While they were in no rush to return to the studio during this time, they continued to write new music. In 1982 and ’83, the band performed most of the songs that would appear on 1987’s IN THE DARK. The new collection includes performances of four songs from that album – “Touch Of Grey,” “Hell In A Bucket,” “Throwing Stones,” and “West L.A. Fadeaway” – plus the B-side, “My Brother Esau.”

    Due September 23rd, IN AND OUT OF THE GARDEN comes in a custom box featuring new artwork by Dave Van Patten celebrating the band’s eclectic fanbase, with a cavalcade of illustrated Dead Heads. The collection also includes detailed liner notes by award-winning music journalist David Fricke, who explores the band’s connection to the Big Apple. It features newly restored and speed-corrected audio by Plangent Processes, mastered by Jeffrey Norman.

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  • #361
    icecrmcnkd
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    I like Drums/Space

    84 and 85 were good years for D/S to my ears.
    Also like the modern midi versions since those were the years I was going and so I know, from a visual perspective, what the lights looked like while all the sounds were happening.

    I’m looking forward to this Box. I had a good sounding copy of 3-9-81 on cassette, and later upgraded to CD-R, but I expect that it will sound far superior in this Box.
    A lot of my early-80’s shows that I had on cassette often sounded sped up a bit, from a tape deck running at the wrong speed. Don’t know if that was from the master deck or later in the generations.
    These shows say speed corrected and Plangentized, so they should be cleaned up pretty nice.

  • #362
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    This is better than that

    Oro-that makes sense what you say about how some shows get to be regarded as classic, while others get passed by. Both 8/27/72 and 5/8/77 have suffered from reduced status in my ears since I have heard other shows from the same timespan. It surprises me looking back at the first Taping Compendium how some of the Europe 72 shows are dismissed - yet to me, every time I play any one of them, I love it. Maybe the people who wrote the book just didn't have very good tapes. Paradoxically, they go on for pages about how great 8/27/72 is.

    I like to think that the reason I now like some years a lot more than others is because I listened to so many tapes from all years between about 1987 and 2004, and gradually found I liked some a lot more than others. I didn't plan it that way. The official releases added to that a bit too. 1972 just seems to get better and better. Some years don't though! Just for me - that's not an objective view.

    As a rule of thumb, maybe......if someone disses a year or show-ignore them and find out for yourself. If they overload a show or year with praise - give it a listen-they may be right!

  • #363
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    Charlie3 that Space>Fire on the Mountain from that lp is in a class by itself. That also is the one that got me really interested in what the Dead were doing. I like Drums>Space alot too, reason why I went to a lot of shows, to see what they were doing during those segments, Infared Roses for sure.
    The Drums>Space in later years 93-94 were also very good, and long. I always look for "The Last Time" after Space in those later years, it's was like this could be the last time your ever hear such sounds. Space is the Place

  • #364
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    Good Analysis

    Good post Oro, I would pretty much agree with your analysis of the issues regarding recording quality vs. show quality. All else being equal, I prefer a high quality recording, but, having said that, I find that if a show is good the impact of the recording quality fades into the background pretty quickly as my ears adjust.

    As far as the early '80s stuff, there is a lot of great stuff there, I particularly dig some of the Scarlet Begonia's > Fire On The Mountain sequences from that era, for example on DP 6, the secret tracks on DP 13, and of course that Space>Fire On The Mountain transition from Dead Set, which was one of the things that hooked me on the Dead in the first place. I used to have a cassette of a JGB show from Music Mountain in NY in 1982 with a smokin' Don't Let Go, so there are plenty of times that Jerry was on fire in the early '80s, with the Dead and otherwise. And while not everyone digs the Drums > Space sequences, I do, a lot, and there are plenty of good ones in the early '80s. But, it doesn't affect my enjoyment at all if there are folks who don't like this, or other eras. I dig what I dig, and others are free to do the same, it's no skin off my back.

    Starting todays listening with Electriclarryland by the Butthole Surfers. Cinnamon and sugary and softly spoken lies, you never know just how you look through other people's eyes...

  • #365
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    RE: Been Wondering

    First no offense to anyone as I’m sure my opinion will not be shared by many, but he did ask.

    I think the whole culture has been suffering from the over influence of taper bias all along. Dave is a prime example. How many times have we wondered if he picked the right city and street, but ended up going to the wrong house. Conjecture to be sure, but a plausible argument by some.)
    So What’s this taper bias that you say!
    Way back when, when there were very few tapes: taping was verboten so harder to do, the equipment to make tapes was mostly lousy, so it was harder to get a great recording.
    So BITD, with Sound board tapes, (though not accurate in any way), you could often get a much better, listenable recording, comparatively. So though they aren’t accurate (they don’t sound like what the actual sound of the instruments are in the room it’s performed in etc), they became the go to standard. Plus no one likes to listen to THAT guy yell in the most heavy NY city accent “Dddddaaaaaaaaakkkk Sssssssttttttaaaaaaaarrrrrrr Jjjjjjjjjj-rrrrrrrrreeeeeeeee” every three minutes the whole night!
    Now add to the above, the increased frequency response provided by using reel to reel, and most importantly, having a somewhat dedicated individual utilizing a separate mix just for the recording versus using the afterthought house mix, and the mythical status of such tapes was enhanced.

    So when you had very few good tapes, shows that were good, versus great, started getting mythical status since there weren’t many other shows to compare too. To me, that’s how certain shows have become significantly overrated over the years. If a ridiculously good sounding tape of what is arguably only a “B” show, was the only reference and the tapes from “A” shows were not good, the B show, through tape traders WOM, like some ancient cultural tribe passing secrets and knowledge around the camp fires, was elevated to a status it may not relatively deserve.

    But today, via the archive and so many official releases, if one takes the time to listen to a variety of shows from all eras etc, you will notice that much of what has become thought of as common assumptions about certain shows/eras etc, (the music itself) are not fully accurate, thus perhaps robbing some of the pleasure and enjoyment of these dismissed out of hand shows, because of some of these bias’s that were planted long ago.
    Interestingly, as recording and other related technology has improved significantly, aud recordings often became better than SBs. But the bias that SBs were the only way to go had become so ingrained in the culture to the point that the majority of folks never check out Auds, unless it’s the only source available, or the SB is unlistenable. And yes, there are perhaps more lousy sounding Auds than great ones, but when done well, they can be spectacular and a much more accurate representation! Personally, nothing beats a properly done matrix!
    Ironically, while technology improved, the later era SB recordings were often diminished. But this is not because the band is “ragged” or the music is lessor, or not good! (Yes one can argue the mid eighties suffered some of that, but I feel there was a trade off there)
    No, once again, much of the stigma that came from the fact that many of the tapes were now produced as an afterthought, and for the mixer to use as a tool, a secondary concern, by Dan Healy who’s main concern was live sound reinforcement, not making a recording, combined with the lower fidelity of cassettes.
    That’s not to say that sometimes those SBs are still pretty damn fine for what they are: we have ample proof from several official releases! But no matter how excellent, they aren’t going to sound THE SAME, or as good as a recording by a dedicated mixer using reel to reel tape.

    So to me, the problem then isn’t so much the sound/music/band, it’s more personal, psychological, based on bias’, assumptions, and personal preferences, often stemming from recordings, not personal experience. And hey, I’m not trying to sway anyone from their pleasure zone etc. Just saying you might be surprised at how good other stuff can be, given the right ears and attitude.
    I just find personally, the quality of the show, the playing, the set list, and most of all, the effort and X factor are just as important or more so, than the recoding. I’ll take an ok recording of a ridiculously hot show over a pristine Betty reel of a so so show any day! In other words, I’m more interested in what goes in the container, versus what kind of container is used. But many people have become so biased that if it’s not a Betty board it’s not worth listening to, which is certainly their choice, it just seems so limiting and i feel bad that folks may be missing out on so much good stuff for what may not be an accurate reason?

    The other thing that allows me to be open to all eras, is not to compare apples to oranges etc. I only compare shows within a tour, or perhaps a year. The Dead was so fluid, and thus different, on many levels that to compare say, anything from 68 to 78, is futile. So by not getting hung up on those incomparable comparisons, it allows me to take each show as it is, on its own merits and failures, which every show has both, imho.

    Just to be clear, I am not trying to argue that one era is better than another, (everyone is certainly entitled to their opinions and preferences) only that perhaps SOME folks may be biased about such, due to taper bias, or cultural stereotypes, instead of first hand empirical knowledge.
    As one who has spent a fair amount of time the last several years trying to go furthur (check out Pick of the Day with discussion) adventuring into many of these “fly over tours” I have come to realize just how good and often consistent the band was more often, and during times, that many would never consider, out of hand, because of negatives biases passed down through the years etc. I’ve found very enjoyable GOGD from every year, it’s just some years/shows have higher batting averages. Just gotta poke around!
    So I’m sure the shows in the upcoming box will not sound the same as a pristine Betty, and via the constant evolution of the band/music, may sound different than your favorite year, but that doesn’t mean that it’s bad, or lessor, or not worthy, just different, so what?
    I think this box is going to rock because of the quality of the shows, and the impressive audio improvements provided via plangent and full Norman etc. comparatively, if you compare to the comparable.
    If your a big Deadhead, and there were no Betty’s, or multitrack masterpieces, and all you had to compare was similar material, I’d bet many would think much more highly of this release, and of this era!
    Obviously, not everyone’s going to like everything or in the same way.
    But I think most folks who give this a proper consideration will be pleasantly surprised.
    So yeah, I think recordings have had a big influence, but not in a good way.
    Anyway, hopefully that at least makes sense, and again, not trying to sway anyones preferences, just suggesting perhaps a different perspective?

  • #366
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    Hey Campaign,

    So, yes, definitely. I've thought about that a few times myself and I think the overall quality of the recordings is one reason why people don't go for the early 80s that much. It's amazing how with 15-20 years of technology and the soundboards got worse. Ha!

  • #367
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    Good tip Jim!

    I actually made a backup of the entire local iTunes library and did a clean fresh install of iTunes.

    The cloud then pulled down everything “as was, prior” - the version with the original screw ups whose correction led to the larger problem.

    I carefully went through and corrected those, and bizarrely noticed a lot of other duplicate tracks and errors in a load of earlier rips “corrected themselves”.

    I can only conclude that my pre-cloud and post-cloud libraries were clashing and iTunes Match couldn’t handle certain releases.

    For instance, Nightfall of Diamonds and Crimson, White and Indigo both had three copies of each track under one Album title, with each track being slightly differently named. Whatever I did cured that, making those playable again.

    I will go a redo the original Dick’s as a matter of course using newer encoding and better bitrates. Otherwise, touch wood, whatever I did to phuck it all up, I managed not to repeat. Note: do not rip Dave’s to iTunes when suffering confusion due to toxin build up in the brain! Lol. As I said, all sorted with that now, and it’s so much easier to handle the little details. A month ago, I couldn’t remember my age or phone number and was a bit of a babbling imbecile. I just didn’t notice at the time.

    I don’t know about y’all, but I like my shows to run in order, so if a Dave’s comes with another half show as filler over two discs, I’ll call that disc 3 and rehash the track info to get the playing order to my liking. That’s where I screwed up. I think.

    Anyway, all seems good now, and I see what you mean about the physical library and how iTunes orders / makes its media folders. Good tip!

    But above all, I now have a backup scheduled!

    Thanks again!

    S.

  • #368
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    Re: DOINGTHENEEDFUL

    Your Metadata for the most part should still be intact. I think your cleanest way put is to import your library folder by folder. The song names, album names, etc. should come through exactly like you had before.

    I think..

    Good luck. We've all had something like this happen at least once.

    Edit: It pays to clean up your metadata after you rip a show and put all the songs in the same folder, i.e. 1969-11-02 Family Dog. These CD sets often create a new folder(directory) for each CD using lord knows what name... the better it's organized the easier it is to recover.

  • #369
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    It’s all under one roof now!

    Guess who’s iTunes decided to interpret a change of album art for one GD track?

    Yup, you got it!

    Just turned my entire GD iTunes library into one massive album (Dave’s Picks 36)! Well done Apple! No undo button… no pre-process prompt. Just Bam!

    So, that’s everything GD Store from DP1 and GrayFolded to now, minus a medium hiatus owing to grumpiness on my part…Including a few cheeky Boots’ including 1/11/90, all of the Download series of which the original files are god knows where…

    So, do we make lemonade and use this an excuse to start again from scratch? Better bitrate lossless rips etc. reacquaint myself with some of the original Dick’s gold? Fix a few buggered files and odd names etc?

    Or do I try and fix the metadata and somehow manually rebuild the titles? I have the file created dates and the actual library has retained the folder structure at least, so physically, I have a skeleton to work from.

    One seems like a lot of effort but perhaps quicker, the other seems like a long long project, but maybe worth it it in the long run…

    Answers on a postcard? Bummer is that I can’t listen to Dave’s 43 until I commit one way or the other, because so far nothing has synced to the cloud version. As soon as I go online with that broken list, I just know the cloud version will also become “embuggered”. Serves me right for having the brain fade (literally, I had a mild brain cognitive function issue that led to the original screw up that I was trying to fix… I’m all good now though! :-) )

    I work in IT and never made backups. What a loser!

    There is another option, the nuclear option. I’m sure I installed iTunes from scratch and then it populated from the cloud version last time I got a new laptop. Maybe that’s a way forward? But where’s the fun in that?

    Love you all! And thanks again to Dr Rhino for going above and way beyond to help with a busted disc issue recently... Means the world to me, and I can’t say thank you too many times.

  • #370
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    Folks! Been wondering about…

    Folks! Been wondering about something in advance of the MSG 81-83 box and wanted to solicit some crowd thoughts.

    Obviously there are some Heads who are first-half-80s super fans. I haven't been one of them, nor are my Dead friends. I think part of that has been assumptions about how ragged the band was in the first half of the decade.

    And I'm wondering if assumptions about those years are in part down to just not having as good tapes of that era.

    That is, while the era was objectively rougher, fewer people know about how many highs and gems there were simply because the years are lesser heard, and they're lesser heard because non-aud tapes -- soundboards from cassettes -- aren't as good.

    Any truth to that idea in your humble opinions?

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WHAT'S INSIDE:
Madison Square Garden 3/9/81
Madison Square Garden 3/10/81
Madison Square Garden 9/20/82
Madison Square Garden 9/21/82
Madison Square Garden 10/11/83
Madison Square Garden 10/12/83
Newly restored and speed-corrected audio by Plangent Processes
Mastered by Jeffrey Norman
Liners by award-winning music journalist David Fricke
Artwork by Dave Van Patten
Individually Numbered, Limited Edition Of 12,500

“Welcome to the unique, enduring phenomenon of the Grateful Dead in New York City, a mutual devotion, forged in concert, that ran for nearly as long as the band itself—from June 1, 1967, a free show in Tompkins Square Park on the Lower East Side (ahead of the band’s official, local bow at the Cafe Au Go Go), to the Dead’s last Garden run, six nights in October 1994…the Dead’s affinity for New York City…was instant and arguably their most profound with any city aside from San Francisco.” - David Fricke

They got on the bus to the Port Authority, rode in on the Long Island Railroad and the New Jersey Transit line. They traveled North, South, and West on the 1, 2, and 3 subway lines, their numbers growing as they descended upon Penn Station. Some rolled up in those iconic New York yellows. Some walked excitedly through the bright lights of Broadway and Times Square, meeting up with old friends on the way and picking up a few new ones too as they ascended The Garden's stairs. Maybe you were among them - lightly buzzed on the way in, fully aglow on the way home. New York City was in its prime and damn if the Grateful Dead wasn't going to rise up to meet it! If you were there, we call on you to join us as we recapture that MSG magic and if you weren't, we invite you along on the epic journey that is IN AND OUT OF THE GARDEN: MADISON SQUARE GARDEN '81 '82 '83.

Numbered and limited-edition to 12,500, this 17CD set celebrates the band’s rich history at “the world’s most famous arena,” introducing six previously unreleased shows recorded at MSG between 1981 and 1983. It offers a front-row seat to the Dead in the early 1980s, an overlooked and underestimated era of rebirth for the band. At the time of the recordings, the group featured Brent Mydland. Mydland’s vocal power and colorful keyboard palette energized the band, invigorating older material like “The Wheel,” “Truckin’” and “Eyes of The World.” He also gave the band more musical flexibility, which encouraged them to dust off rarely aired treasures like “Dupree’s Diamond Blues” and “Crazy Fingers.”

IN AND OUT OF THE GARDEN touches on the three-year period after 1980’s GO TO HEAVEN was released, a time when the Dead were constantly on the road, playing more than 200 dates. While they were in no rush to return to the studio during this time, they continued to write new music. In 1982 and ’83, the band performed most of the songs that would appear on 1987’s IN THE DARK. The new collection includes performances of four songs from that album – “Touch Of Grey,” “Hell In A Bucket,” “Throwing Stones,” and “West L.A. Fadeaway” – plus the B-side, “My Brother Esau.”

Due September 23rd, IN AND OUT OF THE GARDEN comes in a custom box featuring new artwork by Dave Van Patten celebrating the band’s eclectic fanbase, with a cavalcade of illustrated Dead Heads. The collection also includes detailed liner notes by award-winning music journalist David Fricke, who explores the band’s connection to the Big Apple. It features newly restored and speed-corrected audio by Plangent Processes, mastered by Jeffrey Norman.

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Submitted by JeffSmith on Thu, 09/08/2022 - 14:53

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If your shelf is deep enough for an LP, it's deep enough for this box. I'll probably keep mine off the shelf for a while just so I can mess around with it and read the book while jumping in to the music. Haven't spent much time in the early- to mid-80s, and this looks like a great, well-recorded place to start. Plus it's compact.

If each of us were Poobah, I'm sure we'd always design packaging for releases that 100% of folks would be totally happy with 🤪. . . In the meantime, mucho kudos to Dave Van Patten, David Lemieux, Jeffrey Norman, David Fricke and the gang. Keep 'em coming! Onward.

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Submitted by dedhed76 on Thu, 09/08/2022 - 16:42

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Who designed this crap? How do you put out great boxes like the PNW, then this? What a crock of crap.

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Submitted by SPACEBROTHER on Thu, 09/08/2022 - 16:55

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Most of them have different shapes and sizes. Between the steamer trunk and the 30 Trips box, this is unique and more manageable for space if that's an issue. The digital option only takes up electronic space so there's that, plus higher resolution. The artwork looks fun. Looking forward to this! Comes out a few days before my 55th birthday. Good timing. I still prefer physical media so will dig it.

Edit - this looks similar in dimensions to the Duane Allman Skydog box shaped like a rectangular guitar case. I also have Pink Floyd Wish You Were Here AU20 which is the same dimension of how CD boxes used to come in back in the 1980s.

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Submitted by Charlie3 on Thu, 09/08/2022 - 17:50

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The colors look cool, as does the box design other than the awkward size, and I kinda dig those cyclops dancing bears too. Currently looking at my overflowing shelves and wondering where this will possibly fit, but I'm just gonna go ahead and put that in the "good problem" category, as in, "Oh No! I've got too much Grateful Dead and other music to fit on the shelves!"

Looking forward to giving this a listen and hoping for an arrival near the release date.

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Submitted by nitecat on Thu, 09/08/2022 - 19:19

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Oh no I've got too much Grateful Dead! Ha!

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Submitted by FiveBranch on Fri, 09/09/2022 - 06:56

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The original plan was to only pick up the physical copy if the box could fit nicely into a bookshelf. But scratch that. This looks too much fun to pass on. I'll just have to get creative on how to get it displayed. Regarding the artwork, now that I can see how the whole assemblage works, I think they style is a great fit. Congrats on pushing the boundaries beyond what's usually expected from our GD iconography.

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Submitted by Dennis on Fri, 09/09/2022 - 07:13

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Hey, Frank gave us a round sewer cover!

I can live with a rectangle.

The art is top shelf in my book, love the look.

Anyone biting on Neal and Circles around?

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Submitted by Dennis on Fri, 09/09/2022 - 07:47

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Ordered cd/vinyl, also ordered the Neal Casal LP's.

side note,,, got a note from my Steamboat Springs man after hooking him up with Phish shows. His opinion, best Dick's Sporting shows since 92. I think he's been to them all, so I took his word :-)

They're in the queue.

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Submitted by KRIYAS on Fri, 09/09/2022 - 08:35

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My initial impression (based on nothing)of the box size before it was revealed was that it was going to be more square...can't wait to see/hear this in front of my sky space light. Been digging some Dick's Picks V:13 5/6/81 and Dick's Picks V:6 10/14/1983 as a primer. Hey Dead.net these really should start shipping soon...?

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Submitted by Charlie3 on Fri, 09/09/2022 - 14:56

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... until the "Where's My Box?!" posts begin. Or perhaps this will be the time that our friends at Rhino-Deadnet-Warner Music have arranged for everyone to get their box exactly on the release date. Currently spinning Make the Road by Walking album by the Menahan Street Band, mellow instrumental 21st Century soul. Well worth a listen if you're into that kind of thing. Something cool to listen to while I ponder the end of time and bask in the glow of transitory consciousness.

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Submitted by Cousins Of The… on Fri, 09/09/2022 - 16:46

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...but I'm not counting

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Submitted by bluefindead17 on Sat, 09/10/2022 - 11:35

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Artwork is cool but who thought this shape was a good idea? They should be fired. Seriously though, please listen to the people who buy these and come up with a uniform shape, like a square or rectangle and not something ridiculous like this new box, which won’t fit anywhere.

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Submitted by bluecrow on Sat, 09/10/2022 - 15:54

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that I like the look of the box. A pleasant surprise, not on my radar to lay it out like that. No, it won't fit nicely on a standard shelf but that's not my primary concern. At this point it seems pretty clear that each artist has free range as to concept and design and that's how it should be I think. Each box in its entirety, music and design, is indeed it's own work of art. Not that the design is always "just exactly perfect(ly)" convenient - I find the musically spectacular Listen To The River box a tiny bit awkward to access a particular show. And then there's Wake Up To Find Out. But in the end, no big deal. Great music and very cool artwork. Looking forward to some smokin' early 80s MSG Dead hitting my PO Box soon.

And, no question, I've got too much Dead!!

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Submitted by allman on Wed, 09/14/2022 - 15:11

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Did the release date change? It now has Sept 30. I thought it was Sept 23. Mandela Effect maybe???????????

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GRATEFUL DEAD: Dick’s Picks Vol. 33—10/9 & 10/10/76, Oakland Coliseum Stadium, Oakland, CA (Limited, Hand-Numbered, 180-Gram 8-LP Set)

Trying to decide which Grateful Dead concert to reissue on vinyl is kind of like ordering from the menu of a three-star restaurant: no matter what you pick, it’s not just going to be good, it’s also going to be unique and memorable. Faced with such an embarrassment of riches, and trying to remain true to our vision of hitting a different year with each release, we decided to do what any sensible Dead Head would do: go BIG. Hence, our 8-LP release of Dick’s Picks Vol. 33! Fresh from a year-and-a-half touring hiatus, and back to full, two-drummer strength, the Dead opened for The Who as part of Bill Graham’s historic Day on the Green concerts in 1976. This Pick captures both dates in their entirety, and features one of the most monumental medleys (and that’s sayin’ something!) in band history with a 60-minute, 10-song journey through “St. Stephen”/”Not Fade Away”/”St. Stephen”/”Help on the Way”/”Slipknot!”/”Drums”/”Samson and Delilah”/”Slipknot!”/”Franklin’s Tower”/”One More Saturday Night” on the first day. Day two offers excellent takes on two solo Garcia favorites, “Might as Well” and “The Wheel,” that were new to the concert repertoire and a particularly fine “Ramble on Rose” among other highlights. Bill Graham had honored the Dead by selecting them to close the year’s stellar series of Day on the Green concerts, and that—perhaps coupled with the presence of formidable co-headliners The Who—sparked some of the band’s finest performances of the period.

But it’s not just the performances, or the fact that we hadn’t done a 1976 vinyl reissue, that drew us to this concert. This “Betty Board” is one of the cleanest recordings in the whole series, and with a fresh mastering for vinyl by Jeffrey Norman at Mockingbird Mastering, lacquer cutting by Clint Holley and Dave Polster at Well Made Music, and a pressing on 180-gram black vinyl by our friends at Gotta Groove Records, this is—dare we say it—the best-sounding Dead vinyl release we’ve done. Seriously…the test pressings (which were reviewed by Jeffrey Norman, Dead archivist David Lemieux and Real Gone’s Gordon Anderson) were just fantastic, so present and crisp. We’ve included a 4-page, full-color, LP-sized insert that captures all the extensive graphics that were on the CD release, too. It’s our biggest Grateful Dead album ever…limited to 6000 hand-numbered copies!

Side A

Promised Land

Mississippi Half-Step Uptown Toodeloo

Cassidy

Side B

Tennessee Jed

Looks Like Rain

Side C

They Love Each Other

New Minglewood Blues

Side D

Scarlet Begonias

Lazy Lightning

Supplication

Side E

Sugaree

Side F

St. Stephen

Not Fade Away

St. Stephen

Help On The Way

Side G

Slipknot!

Drums

Samson And Delilah

Slipknot!

Side H

Franklin’s Tower

One More Saturday Night

U.S. Blues

Side I

Might As Well

Mama Tried

Ramble On Rose

Cassidy

Side J

Deal

El Paso

Loser

Promised Land

Side K

Friend Of The Devil

Dancing In The Streets

Side L

Wharf Rat

Dancing In The Streets

Side M

Samson and Delilah

Brown-Eyed Women

Playing In The Band

Side N

Drums

The Wheel

Space

The Other One

Side O

Stella Blue

Playing In The Band

Side P

Sugar Magnolia

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Submitted by Charlie3 on Wed, 09/14/2022 - 15:45

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Good catch Allman, I would never have noticed if not for your post. The release date was definitely September 23rd, and that's what it still says in the product description at the top of the comments page, but now when I check the actual product page the release date says September 30th. Things that make you go hmmmm...

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Submitted by JoeyMC on Thu, 09/15/2022 - 05:02

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Here we go with the release date change again. I would think they might try and stop pissing people off. Not looking too good for the digital guys...lol

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Submitted by boblopes on Thu, 09/15/2022 - 08:00

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At long last, an official film of the dead at tivoli concert hall in copenhagen, april 1972! coming this november to a theater near you. meetupatthemovies_dot_com

Saw a post on twitter from Jesse Jarnow.

DP33 vinyl ordered - looks like other Wembley Empire show is RSD BF entree...

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Submitted by DeadVikes on Thu, 09/15/2022 - 08:44

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Sweet Bob, thanks for info on this show and movie.
Man, that makes my day. Definitely something to look forward to. Last one was the Giants Stadium show in August 2019. That was a blast.

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Submitted by JoshByTheBay on Thu, 09/15/2022 - 09:44

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Really disappointing not gonna lie. Was hoping to listen to some of the shows on the road to Reno to see Bobby...Still have time and hope but c'mon, for 180$+ you would've hoped they'd have started shipping some of them by now. Hope they get to delivery soon

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Submitted by daverock on Thu, 09/15/2022 - 10:39

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I wonder if this means it will be officially released on blu ray/dvd ? It would be good if it was - it's a long way to travel from here to the States just to go to the movies.

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Submitted by Deadheadbrewer on Thu, 09/15/2022 - 11:48

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On the 23rd one can pick up the latest Joni Mitchell remastered box, containing new remasters of For the Roses, Court and Spark, Miles of Aisles, and The Hissing of Summer Lawns. It doesn't look like there is anything in the box BUT the remastered studio albums, but there should be a forthcoming live/outtakes box that accompanies the years covered by these albums. Vinyl version, too . . .

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Submitted by Cousins Of The… on Fri, 09/16/2022 - 14:06

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New email: Box will ship on or around 9/27

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Submitted by allman on Fri, 09/16/2022 - 14:12

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Thank you for your purchase of the IN AND OUT OF THE GARDEN: MADISON SQUARE GARDEN ’81, ’82, ’83 (DEAD.NET EXCLUSIVE)[17CD] set.
There was a slight delay in producing your box set. Your order will now ship out on or around 9/27/2022. (You will receive a confirmation email when you order ships.)
We apologize for any inconvenience and thank you for your patience.
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The Dead.net Team

This Fall is looking pretty good:

MSG Box
DaP44
10-9,10-76 vinyl (yes, have it on CD, but I had 10-9 set 2 on cassette in the 90’s and I love that show).
DaP subscription renewal (take my money please)
JGB CD
JGB vinyl if I’m lucky enough to score a copy. I don’t have that on CD (I think).

I also ordered the Little Feat Box two weeks ago but haven’t received it yet. Hope it comes soon.

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Submitted by SPACEBROTHER on Fri, 09/16/2022 - 22:06

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Was hoping it would ship in time to hear before my birthday and now it's shipping on or around it. Oh well.

The Halloween '92 JGB set will be a good one. Caught the Dead a few weeks later at Compton Terrace for the return of Here Comes Sunshine which was cool. The '90 shows were great too and was also there.

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Submitted by Doingtheneedful on Sat, 09/17/2022 - 04:33

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Same old same old… It’ll arrive when it arrives. Not a moment sooner and not a moment later.

I’ve been “buying” from the GD website since the beginning and despite a self imposed boycott of a decade, still am.

Everything has always turned up eventually. There is one exception, an order for Closing of Winterland and GD Movie on DVD with some extra music and stickers to pad my order. GD eventually sent a new shipment that arrived two days before the original. I felt awful. Contacted to say I’d return one lot, to be told to keep it and not to worry.

The boycott came around the time the GD organisation handed over to the “new” keepers of the keys. An order I placed months before release had failed due to an expired card. What galled me was that “they” never got in touch to give me a chance to make it right. Just cancelled the order and thus I missed out on the bonus discs etc. that the preorder included. What really got me was that in reply to my enquiry as to why the thing had been cancelled, I got a very terse email that included the line “It’s not down to us to manage your finances”. That irked. A lot. So that was me done with that for a loooong time. Not until the “Get Shown The Light” box did I break. Amazing how one will cut off their nose to spite…

So, no complaints here. I’d rather have a finished and complete package than something shovelled out of the door to meet an arbitrary deadline.

To finish, I have to “big up” Dr. Rhino and Co. who recently arranged a replacement disc for a Spring 1990 box set that I purchased from a charity shop a few months ago! They had absolutely zero responsibility to do so. Yeah the disc had a manufacturing fault, but man, over ten years old and second hand? Not only did they send a replacement gratis, they did so in a matter of weeks and with no questions asked.

I think it’s safe to say that these folks genuinely intend the best outcome for all, and wouldn’t have some of the issues they have if their goal was simply to monetise it and ship it out the cat flap! This listener believes they give a sh*t and will always try and make things right where they can.

Don’t forget, we only really see the less than positive experiences here. I don’t recall seeing 14,992 positive responses to balance the 8 bad luck tales for instance. And yes, it sucks to be in the wrong end of a SNAFU, but patience usually rewards the wait.

Nuff said.

Hey Cousins,

First show (s) were the October 76 Day on the Green shows. Wow! That must have been something. Would love to hear more about it. Did you also see The Who?
Must have been quite the experience. 76 is such an interesting touring year for the Dead, with the return in June and the somewhat of a light schedule in late fall through their unbelievable New Year's Eve show. And the disappearance of so many classics. Was the crowd yelling Truckin, Casey Jones, China Rider?

Anyway, still looking forward to this new Box and #44 next month. I am still thinking a four disc release from 91. And start 2023 with Kezar.

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Submitted by Cousins Of The… on Sat, 09/17/2022 - 17:33

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That was the second day of my vacation in the US; the day before, I was reading the San Francisco Chronicle while having breakfast in my hotel downtown SF, and stumbled upon the ad for the show the next day.
On that Saturday, I hopped on a bus to Oakland, scored a ticket from someone in front of the stadium($5, if I recall), and made my way to a seat in the bleachers.
I had no idea who would open the show, until the opening notes of Promised Land; sound was a little low at first, but by Mississippi 1/2 Step, it was loud and clear. That 2nd set jam was magical, and the weather was great, a typical SF Indian summer day. Having managed to miss both the '72 and '74 European tours, I had no expectations as to how they would sound, but oddly enough my first thoughts was that they sounded just like they did on the Skull & Roses LP.
I had seen the Who before(in France), and their show that day was their typical set, with hits and a large portion of Tommy included; Keith Moon was incredible, as expected; a great show for sure, but the highlight of the day for me was the Dead, by far. I still consider this the best played GD show I attended. I moved to the States a year later and caught the December Winterland run.
The box is superb, by the way.

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Submitted by JimInMD on Sat, 09/17/2022 - 21:53

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A classic.. if not for 12/31 the best of the year (and maybe 10/9 was better??) 1976 is a very underrated year. Yes, it's uneven and inconsistent. But uneven and inconsistent is my favorite kind of Grateful Dead.

First show? wowwy. Beats my first by a long shot but I'm not complaining one bit.

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Submitted by DeadVikes on Sun, 09/18/2022 - 17:16

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Hey thanks for sharing that Cousins. What an experience. What a show and Oakland in 76. I good time to be there I am sure. I have always favored 10/9 over 10/10, but they are both upper echelon shows.

Who knows, maybe we will get another 76 show soon.

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Submitted by daverock on Mon, 09/19/2022 - 03:59

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Of all the years in the 1970's, apart from 1979, 1976 is now the one I listen least to. Odd really. I still like "Blues For Allah", and there are clear echoes of 1974, one of my favourite years, in the way they played in 76. When I do a play a show from this year I am always struck it's experimental nature. So maybe I'll spin a few between now and Christmas.

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Submitted by stillwaters on Mon, 09/19/2022 - 10:13

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I too find 1976 underrated. Took me a while to get into the 1976 box set, but now I find it churns out consistent excellence. Waiting impatiently for the new box set, but as Doingtheneedful says "It’ll arrive when it arrives. Not a moment sooner and not a moment later."

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Submitted by icecrmcnkd on Mon, 09/19/2022 - 15:59

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Doesn’t sound like 77, doesn’t sound like 74.

But is has some good stuff.

I haven’t listened to every show from the year, and I’m heavily influenced by what cassette tapes I had in the 90’s (mostly June).
My favs from 76:
6/14
6/29
10/9

The 76 Box is awesome!
6/29 deserves to be Plangentized and Normanized.

Edit:
Got my 10-9,10-76 vinyl tracking number today.
Woo hoo!

Real Gone Music just schooled Rhino.
Hey Rhino, why hasn’t my Little Feat Box that I ordered more than 2 weeks ago shipped yet?

Maybe because they played so few shows in 1975, and none until June 76, 1976 has a feeling of being more of a stand alone year than many of the others. Plus Mickey Hart, a new sound system and Blues for Allah. They seem to be feeling their way a bit - and by 1977, so it seems to me - and for better or worse...they had found it.

...all this '76 talk, I stumbled home at the right time it seems.
Agree on all fronts, '76 was pretty special in that it was another transitional year and they tinkered with new songs, new arrangements and pacing, Mickey back in the ring and Jerry had the Travis Bean guitar with a very distinct - dare I say " '76' Sound"? I've always loved this year in fact it was the first full-year I set out to acquire once I had my opportunity to jump all the way in.

Of course the 76 Box set was a prime jewel for me personally, it containing my all-time favorite show (and of the year) June 11, 1976. But that entire box rules and the sound is so amazing, I am continually pleased to see 1976 getting some love that it deserves. It definitely gets overshadowed by 1977, but, I will always say they never would have achieved that 1977 perfection had they not gone through 1976 first.

Be Well People.
Seventy-Sixtus

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Submitted by That Mike on Wed, 09/21/2022 - 05:20

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I have to agree with Sixtus on what a major year 1976 was for the Dead. Back after their sabbatical, rested and raring to go on all fronts. Plenty of solo activity, too, with the Godchauxs even playing with one of Jerry’s better sounding bands at this time. I think the June 1976 box (aside from July 1978, the Gold Standard) was one of the nicest releases the Dead had - some of the nicest readings of Franklin’s Tower ever heard among the treasures. A booming year for creativity by the band, all levels, and none of the problems with drugs, health issues, or touring hassles that would come later for them.

My wife usually buys me desk calendars at Christmas as a stocking stuffer, and this year it was one of these Zen quotation a day ones. Some of it is reflective, some of it sounds like teens wrote it after their first bong hit, some of the sources are interesting (ex - athletes, etc), and some of it is real Kwai Chang Caine Grasshopper shit! (Did I just hear a gong??!)

Today’s quote may of be interest to this group. The quote is from one John Perry Barlow, quoting his mother. It reads:
I’d complain about being bored and she’d say, “Anyone who’s bored isn’t paying close enough attention.”

There is that damn gong again….

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Submitted by Oroborous on Wed, 09/21/2022 - 10:06

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“Upon your death you will receive divine consciousness.
So at least you have that going for ya, which is nice”
Gunga la gunga…

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Submitted by That Mike on Wed, 09/21/2022 - 11:05

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"When you can take the pebble from my hand, it will be time for you to leave." - Master Oro

(Sound of the Rhythm Devils’ Gong sounding)

Is it the MSG Box?
Or the Little Feat Box that I bought from Rhino a few weeks ago?

No email notification so far on either Box.

My 10-9,10-76 vinyl is also supposed to arrive next week.
I chose the cheapest shipping option and it’s coming by ground from LA.

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Submitted by Fulda on Thu, 09/22/2022 - 17:39

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Hi folks - I just noticed that there are three downloads included with the pre-order for the Madison Square Garden box set. I think I only got "Feel Like a Stranger" but not the other two, Althea (Live from Madison Square Garden, New York, NY 3/9/81) and Ramble On Rose (Live from Madison Square Garden, New York, NY 3/9/81) . Did I miss them?

Thanks!

Got an email shipping notice for my Little Feat Box.
Should arrive the day after DP33 vinyl.

Now just need that MSG Box shipping notice…

If everything arrives next week I can listen to all of it probably twice before hockey regular season starts.

Let’s Go Red Wings!

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Submitted by Cousins Of The… on Sat, 09/24/2022 - 11:25

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Got email from USPS for a package arriving Monday from Milwaukee...could it be? Can't remember where these ship usually ship from. Unless it's the head cheese souffle mix I ordered long time ago.
Anybody else?...anybody???

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