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    Plangent Processed Betty Boards subscription series.
    this is an appeal to the powers that be for a new subscription series of 3 times a year of Plangent processed returned "Betty Boards" available in limited edition CDs and digital download forever. the series can start with 2/26/77 Winterland, which would be a sin not to have Plangent processed and instead used for a Dave's Pick release. as shown with previous releases from the "Bettys" the Plangent process significantly improves the sound from the tapes. by offering limited CD and unlimited digital versions it allows for maximum return of investment for the additional processing costs. why do the returned tapes deserve their own series? a tale of the tapes. according to Deadbase, there are 2314 shows, of those there are 450+ Pigpen shows, 403 Keith shows, 810 Brent shows and 378 Vince shows. of the Brent shows almost 700 are cassettes/PCMs recorded by Dan Healy from the PA SBD to check out how Dan's mix sounded, not ever considered for release. The Keith shows were recorded reel to reel from a separate mixing console from the PA and the Betty Boards were mixed on headphones and in no way match what was heard in the hall. don't believe me try an AUD tape for the same show, try a different AUD tape if there is one. these 70s Reel to Reels were also never considered for release. they were for band reference and they had enough of a budget they didn't have to reuse them, like some of the Radio City multi track show tapes that got recycled by Arista after Dead Set & Reckoning came out. aside from 100 or so special events that were recorded on multi track for eventual release that made it into the Vault, everything else is 2 tracks mixed for reference listening, Betty's, FM broadcasts or to hear how the live mix sounded compared to the sound in the hall. the cost of the Plangent process, (analog to digital transfer), precludes them using it on most Dave's Picks because it is cost prohibitive and will probably only be used in box sets from now on. Dave's Picks are not worth the expense or time to Plangent, so instead we get Jeffery Norman magic to try and make it sound as good as possible from the in house master tape digitization. which means releasing the returned Betty's as Dave's picks is denying the chance for future Plangent processing, the good Betty's will be held for the annual box sets as the multi tracks have been already milked for most of what's available. more fall 89 multi tracks anyone? then there's the Bear audio journals, which are basically 2 track mono recordings with the amplified instruments in one channel and the PA (drums, vocals and keyboard) in the other. if you want to make the pre 1969 stuff sound really good, listen to it in mono with the vocals centered and the instruments on top of each other and not next to each other. you are not losing anything as the Bear tapes have no real stereo separation, he was hearing impaired in one ear and couldn't hear stereo. this leaves about 1600 possible shows on stereo tapes of which less than 500 are Reel to Reel and the rest cassette and digital tapes. this means whats left for Dave's choices are mostly cassette SBDs from the PA or he's eating into the potential for future box sets. maybe this means less people will subscribe in the future and there will be more of a chance for the average fan to get a copy of a show he wants ala carte, is that a bad thing? maybe Rhino plans to start allowing digital downloads, but without the budget for Normanization or packaging at $20 a show to start making some profit on the rest of the vault? difficult to believe, as since the bankruptcy of Music Today all previous digital downloads are still unavailable and Warner Music, the new distribution for Dead.net, only has digital downloads for the new releases. from the Spring 90 TOO page Digital Download Digital downloads have been temporarily disabled while we work on resolving the technical issues. Previous purchasers will be notified when the problem is resolved. the first 15 years of the GD the band played mostly small halls to limited audiences, with the large festival exceptions. the 2nd 15 years the band became one of the top selling live acts, for most of the last 10 years they were in football stadiums and huge arenas, so the potential of "i was there" buyers is far greater than the early years. it is very likely more people saw the band with Brent or Vince than the combined years for Pigpen and Keith. it is inevitable that Dave's Picks start mining the last 15 years and now seems as good a time as any. the new licensing deal with Rhino still has 8 years left to prepare releases from whats in the vault. a tale of the times. if you were lucky enough to see the Grateful Dead and didn't have a bad trip while there, chances are you had an entertaining to life changing event. this became formulaic in the late 70s when Drum>Space got locked into a feature of the 2nd set. as tours went on songs became 1st or 2nd set tunes and eventually became limited to slots within their respective sets, with very little deviance until the end. to see the song you wanted meant going to many shows in a row to get it, Morning Dew had a 10 show rotation, Way to Go Home had a 2 show rotation, Bobby tunes had a 4 to 5 day rotation. this made the shows almost ritualistic for those that got it and to some people dancing at a Dead show was the ultimate experience in life. the shows became events and the best party in town where ever they were and worth traveling for. it might take over a thousand miles of touring to get that Dew you wanted. by the time Keith was all used up, Bobby had a keyboardist from his solo band he thought might be a good fit, Jerry saw some Bobby shows, Keith & Donna retired and the rehearsals with Brent started in spring 1979. the fact that Clive Davis the head of Arista records also was lobbying for Brent as a good fit might have helped also. by summer 1979 they were locked into the format, had new tunes, and a keyboard/vocalist that wasn't just part of the rhythm section, but an organist that had an electronic keyboard sound that was going to be big in the 1980s. the band had reinvented itself and was ready to get that hit album that Clive knew was in them. Go To Heaven was not that album, yet Clive Davis was a deadhead before he was their boss and gave them the room they needed. Betty and Brent became involved together and when that went south around the time of Brent's failed solo album, Betty became an Ex and the era of Betty boards was over. from here on it was Healy's PA SBDs that became the reference copies and had the PA mix with Drums, Keyboards and Vocals out front, not to mention Healy's additional effects, and the amplified instruments lower in the mix so they wouldn't feed back. after the return of the acoustic sets and the Dead Set & Reckoning came out they started the 5 years it took to get the material for a new album and the new tunes came at a slower rate. instead the band kept up the tour schedule, the bad habits and added cover tunes to keep the new fans they were getting coming back for more. there was nothing like a Grateful Dead concert and word got out. by this time some amazing AUD tapes were being recorded on customized tape decks with shot gun mics on poles to get them above the crowd. these capture how it sounded in the hall and were more realistic than the SBDs from the PA. as the tours went on it was obvious Jerry wasn't doing well, but he was trying, and the tours continued until he physically couldn't anymore. the worse Jerry's voice got, the louder the crowd singing along got, so gaffs and croaks were less noticed as everyone else was singing the right lyrics. his guitar playing though developed a shreddy quality and the Tiger years have such a sweet sound. what it did lead to was the entire hall getting into the same breathing pattern singing along with Jerry, while doing the happy acid dance and knowing at that moment they were in the best place on earth at that time. this experience worked pretty consistently right up to the end, even though we knew by then it was more about the formulaic ritual experience than it was about the quality of the music being played. to say this music is unworthy of release is wrong. the whole idea of Dave's Picks is to take whats left from the vault and put out the whole shows in the best quality possible and people that subscribe should understand this. it's not about having to own every release just so you don't have a gap in your display because you only like a certain period of the bands 30 year history. if you don't like it give it away to someone that wants it that got shut out. sell it for a profit on ebay, burn it like the devil music you think it is, banish it from your life. this is what the future box sets will most likely be filled with, the returned Betty's using the Plangent process, because the only box from the returned tapes not Plangent processed is the July 78 box that still sits in limbo as the last of the Music Today boxes and failed digital rollout. at this point the July 78 box looks like it was rushed and victim to being a test if they had to Plangent the tapes or in house digitization would do, clearly it is required and worth the added expense and time. july 78 is a great box and concept that should have sold out by now. [It has since been brought to my attention by David Duryea that in fact July 78 was Plangent processed and mentioned in the booklet, just not advertised on the July 78 page. someone at Rhino should fix that and remove the link for the digital download that never happened, it might finally sell out.] if this new box sounds as good as Dave says, "like a whole new tape" because of the Plangent processing, Dave's future picks will have to start on the Brent years to ensure box set potential into the 3rd 10 year licensing deal.
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    "Jake: Greetings! A message to David Lemieux ...How about a boxed set from the many great shows at the Capitol Theatre in Portchester NY including but not limited to the week of The Grateful Dead at Midnight!! It would be nice to have this while those who were at the shows are still alive !! and to Turn On all who would enjoy those fantastic shows in a great venue. And How about some New Riders with Jerry on pedal steel too!! Acoustic Dead, New Riders, Electric Grateful Dead....Sounds like a really good show !!"
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    Or at least 3 box sets from the first 8 months of '71
    I requested below that they release the multitracks of the Skull & Roses shows as a "complete recordings" box set a la Fillmore West 1969/Live Dead and Complete/E72. So that's one. The Portchester shows in February were all (I believe) recorded on multitrack, and we've only seen one show come out on Three from the Vault, so a box set of those would be two. And that incredible ten-show summer tour, from Yale Bowl 7/31 to Gaelic Park 8/26 -- the last run with an all-in Pig, the last run before Keith, the last run with Jerry and Phil playing Gibsons -- would make for a terrific box set, even if some of the shows have already been released. Hollywood Palladium 8/6 has never been released in its entirety, which is an absolute crime. So that's three.
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    All of 1971 please, esp. Spring 71
    All of 1971 please, esp. Spring 71
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    Make it ‘Just Exactly Perfect’
    Plangentize the Bettys. If you have the gems, polish them up.
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    future box sets
    Fox Theater St Louis 10-17-72 through 10-19-72Berkeley Theatre 8-21,22,23,24-1972 Both of these runs most definitely deserve consideration for future box sets.
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    Howdy, I just created a thread same thing. I would buy and love to own "Dead Covers".
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    All the covers
    Howdy everyone, I'm putting it out there that I would buy and love to own a boxset of all the covers. I heard someone say "the Grateful Dead are a cover band". I don't know about that, but I know I love listening them play covers such as Baba O'Reily, The Last Time (it's on now), It's All Over Now, the Dylan songs, etc. Peace and love,
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    Re: Skull and Roses: The Complete Recordings
    Putting my money or actually time where my mouth is, I took the archive SBDs of 1971-03-24, 1971-04-04 to 1971-04-06, and 1971-04-25 to 1971-04-29 (all Charlie Miller save one), and ran them through Audacity to edit out extended tuning breaks, glitches, etc., and pieced it all together as my own personal Skull & Roses: The Complete Recordings. It's 22 hrs, 36 mins total, which would fit almost down to the second on 17 CDs. It sounds great and has a terrific flow from show to show. Sure, there's the usual sloppiness, Duane has a hard time getting into Sugar Mags on 4-26, the Beach Boys are kind of meh the next night (save for Okie from Muskogee), etc., but it paints a terrific period of a distinct era that many of us believe was the apotheosis of the Dead. As someone who was a recording engineer in his previous career, I would kill to have the 16 tracks from all of these shows and an opportunity to mix them in the studio. I know it's a lot easier just to put out SBDs of other shows, but I couldn't think of a more worthwhile project than putting out these complete recordings from the multitracks.
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    So far the boys have only officially released 2 shows from 1985. They had a unique sound that years and played some amazing shows (and some duds). How about releasing the rest of the shows from the month of June. These included: Greek Theater (U of California), Berkeley, CA (6/14/85) Greek Theater (U of California), Berkeley, CA (6/15/85) Greek Theater (U of California), Berkeley, CA (6/16/85) Alpine Valley Music Theater, East Troy, WI (6/21/85) Alpine Valley Music Theater, East Troy, WI (6/22/85) River Bend Music Center, Cincinnati, OH (6/24/85) (already released on 30 trips) Blossom Music Center, Cuyahoga Falls, OH (6/25/85) Saratoga Performing Arts Center, Saratoga Springs, NY (6/27/85) Hershey Park Stadium, Hershey, PA (6/28/85) Merriweather Post Pavilion, Columbia, MD (6/30/85)
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Our friends the Rhinos have various and sundry new releases in the development process, but they're always interested in hearing what you'd like to see hit the virtual shelves of the Store. No promises, but you never know...

This topic is for requesting new box sets. There are also topics for individual shows and DVDs.

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1981 is the genuine lost gem year. The vibe still felt fresh in general, Brent was in his prime, and Jerry too--his playing was just spectacular, and his major mid-80s vocal and lyrical problems were still a good ways off. I am aware that, unfortunately, the soundboards from the year are not at all complete in the vault. But I have read about the tours, and it sounds like there were MANY truly superb shows. The 1981 EUROPE TOUR sounds like an especially hot run. Maybe even hot enough to give Europe '72 some real competition. ... What say you??? A box set concept doesn't get much better than that!!! Even if it were to have less-than-stellar sound quality, I'd be drooling for it. Oops...I just noticed, I'm already drooling for it!

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You guys need to get serious about releasing a couple of 1973 box sets. The begining of the year is great , but by the time Sept, Oct, Nov tours it is absolutely "sick' as the younger generation would say.

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I, too, would love to see this released as a box set. The Fillmore West shows from '69 are great, however highlights from these shows are already on Spotify. I purchased the Buffalo 5-9-77 box set recently, and have been loving it, partially because it isn't available on streaming sites. More of these shows on vinyl, such as the April 21-23 run in Boston, would be a great addition to any collection.

Also, can some (or all) of the Dave's Picks please be released on vinyl? I don't understand why those issues are limited to CD only. Anyone that can shed some light on why this is this case?

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We need a box set of London March and October 1981. But if only one group of shows is possible, I vote for March: 3/20, 21, 23, and 24. These are loose, inspired, interesting, and lovely shows. They open the second set of 4/23 with Bird Song for heaven's sake.

We also need Brent's first tour. If all 9 shows can't happen, then please release 5/5, 7, 8, and 9. 5/7 in particular is ferocious, despite a rather unspectacular setlist.

And then there's Texas '72. Deep and dark. And essential.

I believe SBDs exist, if the 30 Days of Dead releases are any indication.

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how about grateful dead new year's box set in the future? Selected audio and video shows from The Grateful Dead vault.

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I would LOVE a box set from ‘71 or the early 80’s. Any part of the ‘71 really, although Oct-Dec are some of my all time favorite shows. Such energy, and you can hear the band develop as the year goes on. It is simply amazing - the youthful energy, breaking new ground, familiar tunes, it’s all in ‘71! If not ‘71, then give is something we do not have much of, early 80’s!!!! Anything ‘81-‘84, but certainly the European tour in ‘81 seems intriguing.

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Where is the 2021 box set? Should it not have been released by now? Please don't tell me Skullfuck is it?

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1. The complete October 1974 retirement shows at Winterland
2. The complete February 1970 shows at the Fillmore East
3. The complete April 1971 shows at the Fillmore East
4. The November 1972 Texas shows

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Deer Creek Box set! Please and thank you.

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I would love to get a box set of any of the Vegas Runs. If memory serves, Sting, Santana, Steve Miller Band were a few of the openers who sat in as well.

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Winterland Oct 74 - complete, remastered audio and video.
Alpine ‘89 - complete, remastered audio and video.
Tinley Park ‘90 - complete audio/video.

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I’d love anything’73 or ‘74. I also think an Ark box would be killer. As a younger fan who missed out, I’d also love it if some or all of the ‘72 cds were simply restocked/reissued for the 50th anniversary.

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Frost Ampitheatre 10/ 9 & 10/82. along with 4/27 & 28/85, the best years at the Frost. Greek Theatre , 9/11,12,13/81 the best year at the Greek.

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David Lemieux... if you are listening...

The next perfect box set should be the full run of the eight 1980 Radio City Music Hall Shows from October 1980. A 24 CD Boxed Set. "Radio Daze - Eight from 1980"

Yes, some of this is on Dead Set but these shows (like the Warfield run a week or so before it) were fantastic. Good quality, previously unreleased recordings. Crisp, upbeat singing and playing both acoustic and electric, and the run culminated on Friday 10/31/1980 - Halloween

Think about the time the Rhino people would have creating the packaging and artwork for this one...

Sorry to be a Debbie downer, but supposedly the RCMH tapes were reused elsewhere and thus, supposedly, there are no complete shows.

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Multitracks, shows close to, if not as good as spring 90…what are we waiting for??
Smithers, release the multis!

I’ve even done half the work checking out shows!

10/14/89: ! Think this is the second best of the Burn shows (#1 10/16/89)
10/15/89: ? Possible, depending on box size?

10/18/89: only tour Shakedown. China-Rider, Terrapin
10/19/89: H/S/F, Bucket, Death Don’t
10/20/89: Hey Pocky, 1st of 2 California Earthquake, Brokedown

10/23/89: different set list, final Cali EQ, ATTICS

10/25/89: decent show,

6 or 7 solid shows, and did we mention MULTIS!!!!
Perhaps toss in part of 9/29 as filler?

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9/4/91: not as sexy a set list as the other nights, but perhaps the best played night of Richfield

MSG: still working on researching these. Say 3 of 8 shows not out yet?

Bean Town:
9/24/91: 3rd pick
9/22/91: 2nd pick
9/26/91: perhaps my top pick of the tour!

Oakland: 2 or 3 depending on box size All shows good, but,
10/31/91 is a MUST!

Don’t let the 9 fool ya, these are solid, well played shows with some prime Bruce!

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Even the art and marketing is done! (Use art off of Great Dane Back stage pass?)

2/15/73: 73 Dark Star and Here Comes SS
10/25/73: same plus mind left body jam..
2/4/79: good look at final K&D days
12/3/81: this is way hotter than that Boulder show!
6/24/83: good outing from overlooked tour

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1967: couple discs of whatever’s available (and worthy) from 66 and, 67 especially
1968: say 4-7 discs of shows, even if partials or short shows?
1969: 4/4, 5, 6/69 and 4/21, 22, 23/69.

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Not sure why the horn shows have the stigma they do? Probably taper bias BS?
Agree wouldn’t want to listen to the whole tour in a row (though I did and really loved it)
Would make a nice 3 show box.
Wake could be argued to be one of the best studio outings they did. Jazz Dead, come on!
So how can we not have a historical document of such a cool and unique part of Dead’s evolution?

9/11/73: 73 great show with Dark Star and 4 of the new songs off Wake. Must Have!

9/15/73 or 9/17/73: both are great and have 6 newbies off of Wake!
Use one for box and the other one for the bonus for Wake of the Flood 50th!

9/21/73 or 9/26/73: pick one to illustrative how much things changed from start to end of tour??

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6/14/85: Greek! 1st Keep On, Dew Second opener. (Depending on size and if you consider as summer tour?)

6/22/85: ?? not the best of the tour but fun Keep On and figure should have at least 1 for each venue?

6/25/85: Day Tripper! Perhaps best show of tour?

6/27/85: Toeeee ga! Crazy show

6/28/85: one of my all time @ Dews! Fun first set with 3 consecutive JG tunes! Great TMNS. Cool early Tom Thumbs.

6/30/85: one of the best Shakedowns EVER! Must Have!
Cryptical: should have some historical record…

7/1/85: Scorching Scarlet/Fire!

7/2/85: ? Depending on size

7/13/85: Insane 1st set, Cryptical, maybe use part of or as filler?

6/16/85: ? Maybe, filler? Bueller! 1st Cryptical…

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August 1989: The Complete Recordings
Cal Expo August 4-6, 1989
Greek August 17-19, 1989

June 1990: The Complete Recordings
Cal Expo June 8-10, 1990
Shoreline June 15-17, 1990
Eugene June 23-24, 1990

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Greek 81-85 is right in the wheelhouse. What a release this would be………….

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ALPINE VALLEY MUSIC THEATRE (2 shows)
RIVER BEND MUSIC CENTER
BLOSSOM MUSIC CENTER
SARATOGA PERFORMING ARTS CENTER
HERSHEY PARK STADIUM
MERRIWEATHER POST PAVILION (2 shows)
PITTSBURGH CIVIC ARENA

If memory serves, this was the LAST summer tour that did not primarily consist of sports stadium shows. To me, that makes it the last true summer tour! Every show I heard on tape from this tour sounded like it was excellent.

What a wonderful box set this would be! Absolutely number 1 on my wish list!

I got the dates by looking at all of 1985 in the archive. But when I went to the actual show page for the first few shows, they were a day later than the page for the whole year. Anyway, tremendous tour. Just listened to an old soundboard of one of the shows. Just great. The last summer "shed" tour?

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If they could put the Greek Theater and Ventura runs into a box set, it would be a dream. Some of the best shows of the year, of the Brent era even, are on that tour, especially 7/13, 7/15, and 7/22

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Many great shows, but these seem to be the best overall without too many repeats and 7 shows seems like a good size, especially since there’s no reels to purchase and/or restore. Might make a tad more value oriented?

9/6/91
9/8/91
9/16/91*
9/22/91
9/24/91
9/26/91*
10/31/91*

Favorite/must haves*
7 Shows
66 one time songs: really good selection!
16 Repeats
6 Threepeats
(Not including D&S)

The three peats are: Dar Star, Attics, Let It Grow, Saint, Stranger, and Good Lovin’

The repeats are: Spoonful, Dark Star Jam, Wang Dang, Candyman, Maggie’s, Standing on Moon, Last Time, Stella, Samson, Eyes, TOO, Bertha, All Over Now, Heaven’s Door, Minglewood, and A&A. Hey, no matter how you slice em, Bobs ALWAYS gonna have repeats!

9/17 and other Oakland and Richfield are probably worthy, but then you start getting into more repeats and perhaps too big a box?

Your Welcome ; )
Bet this would sell out ridiculously fast!

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Request Box Set Release of shows on 3 nights: The Ark, Boston 4-21, 4-22, 4-23 1969
Includes 2 Dark Stars, a rare Clementine (jam), and Viloa Lee Blues. Great Stuff. Love that era.
Check out the internet archives of these show.

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Fell in love with the Dead when I first heard Baltimore 9/17/72. Always blown away by the extended jams from that time period. He’s Gone>Truckin>The Other One. A box from Fall ‘72 would be my top request!

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Oh Yeah! Kudos to Dave Lemieux for Dave's Picks 43, 1969. Great stuff, especially Discs 1 and 3.
Never thought much of Dancing in the Streets, but this early version, before the disco era, got my attention. Nice, really nice. Of the 2 Dark Stars, I prefer the version on Disc 3. Made it to my personal 5 Greatest Dark Stars of all time (GDSOAT). Dave can be on my Greatest Product Release Guys of all time (GPRGOAT) if he would release:
The Ark, Boston 4-21, 4-22, 4-23 1969 ( 3 night show).

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March 8th 2023 marks the 50th year since his passing and I hope to see a commemorative release. If not a box set covering all of his years with the band then at least a stand alone release of his last performances pulled from the Europe ‘72 recordings (they have already been remastered and Rhino has proven itself more then willing to dip their bucket in that well). As Garcia himself said without Pigpen there would not have been a Grateful Dead.

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Asking for the Ark box is almost like a running joke on this site. The shows are exceptionally well played and sound great for this era. Plus, a three show box set would make for a much more affordable and appealing experience, especially in this economy.

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Out in a west Texas town...

Nov. 18,19,22,24,26

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Yeah, yeah ,yeah the MSG box is great.
But...
Before we get too old how about Summer 82'?
Ventura thru Iowa broken into 2 sets like the Spring 90' boxes.

Also nice and crispy sound ala Charlie Miller mastering.

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Kezar, RFK, Watkins, Roosevelt.

Just a brick of CDs in a sturdy case, nothing fancy.

Part 2 box is 6/22 thru 7/1

Plangentized and Normanized.

12-4-73 complete
12-6-73 complete
12-19-73 complete
(Make up for issuing chop jobs).

12-18-73, and a few more.

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Early ‘71
Late ‘72
Any ‘79!
Mid-80’s