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    Madison Square Garden 3/9/81
    Madison Square Garden 3/10/81
    Madison Square Garden 9/20/82
    Madison Square Garden 9/21/82
    Madison Square Garden 10/11/83
    Madison Square Garden 10/12/83
    Newly restored and speed-corrected audio by Plangent Processes
    Mastered by Jeffrey Norman
    Liners by award-winning music journalist David Fricke
    Artwork by Dave Van Patten
    Individually Numbered, Limited Edition Of 12,500

    “Welcome to the unique, enduring phenomenon of the Grateful Dead in New York City, a mutual devotion, forged in concert, that ran for nearly as long as the band itself—from June 1, 1967, a free show in Tompkins Square Park on the Lower East Side (ahead of the band’s official, local bow at the Cafe Au Go Go), to the Dead’s last Garden run, six nights in October 1994…the Dead’s affinity for New York City…was instant and arguably their most profound with any city aside from San Francisco.” - David Fricke

    They got on the bus to the Port Authority, rode in on the Long Island Railroad and the New Jersey Transit line. They traveled North, South, and West on the 1, 2, and 3 subway lines, their numbers growing as they descended upon Penn Station. Some rolled up in those iconic New York yellows. Some walked excitedly through the bright lights of Broadway and Times Square, meeting up with old friends on the way and picking up a few new ones too as they ascended The Garden's stairs. Maybe you were among them - lightly buzzed on the way in, fully aglow on the way home. New York City was in its prime and damn if the Grateful Dead wasn't going to rise up to meet it! If you were there, we call on you to join us as we recapture that MSG magic and if you weren't, we invite you along on the epic journey that is IN AND OUT OF THE GARDEN: MADISON SQUARE GARDEN '81 '82 '83.

    Numbered and limited-edition to 12,500, this 17CD set celebrates the band’s rich history at “the world’s most famous arena,” introducing six previously unreleased shows recorded at MSG between 1981 and 1983. It offers a front-row seat to the Dead in the early 1980s, an overlooked and underestimated era of rebirth for the band. At the time of the recordings, the group featured Brent Mydland. Mydland’s vocal power and colorful keyboard palette energized the band, invigorating older material like “The Wheel,” “Truckin’” and “Eyes of The World.” He also gave the band more musical flexibility, which encouraged them to dust off rarely aired treasures like “Dupree’s Diamond Blues” and “Crazy Fingers.”

    IN AND OUT OF THE GARDEN touches on the three-year period after 1980’s GO TO HEAVEN was released, a time when the Dead were constantly on the road, playing more than 200 dates. While they were in no rush to return to the studio during this time, they continued to write new music. In 1982 and ’83, the band performed most of the songs that would appear on 1987’s IN THE DARK. The new collection includes performances of four songs from that album – “Touch Of Grey,” “Hell In A Bucket,” “Throwing Stones,” and “West L.A. Fadeaway” – plus the B-side, “My Brother Esau.”

    Due September 23rd, IN AND OUT OF THE GARDEN comes in a custom box featuring new artwork by Dave Van Patten celebrating the band’s eclectic fanbase, with a cavalcade of illustrated Dead Heads. The collection also includes detailed liner notes by award-winning music journalist David Fricke, who explores the band’s connection to the Big Apple. It features newly restored and speed-corrected audio by Plangent Processes, mastered by Jeffrey Norman.

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  • #361
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    I like Drums/Space

    84 and 85 were good years for D/S to my ears.
    Also like the modern midi versions since those were the years I was going and so I know, from a visual perspective, what the lights looked like while all the sounds were happening.

    I’m looking forward to this Box. I had a good sounding copy of 3-9-81 on cassette, and later upgraded to CD-R, but I expect that it will sound far superior in this Box.
    A lot of my early-80’s shows that I had on cassette often sounded sped up a bit, from a tape deck running at the wrong speed. Don’t know if that was from the master deck or later in the generations.
    These shows say speed corrected and Plangentized, so they should be cleaned up pretty nice.

  • #362
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    This is better than that

    Oro-that makes sense what you say about how some shows get to be regarded as classic, while others get passed by. Both 8/27/72 and 5/8/77 have suffered from reduced status in my ears since I have heard other shows from the same timespan. It surprises me looking back at the first Taping Compendium how some of the Europe 72 shows are dismissed - yet to me, every time I play any one of them, I love it. Maybe the people who wrote the book just didn't have very good tapes. Paradoxically, they go on for pages about how great 8/27/72 is.

    I like to think that the reason I now like some years a lot more than others is because I listened to so many tapes from all years between about 1987 and 2004, and gradually found I liked some a lot more than others. I didn't plan it that way. The official releases added to that a bit too. 1972 just seems to get better and better. Some years don't though! Just for me - that's not an objective view.

    As a rule of thumb, maybe......if someone disses a year or show-ignore them and find out for yourself. If they overload a show or year with praise - give it a listen-they may be right!

  • #363
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    Charlie3 that Space>Fire on the Mountain from that lp is in a class by itself. That also is the one that got me really interested in what the Dead were doing. I like Drums>Space alot too, reason why I went to a lot of shows, to see what they were doing during those segments, Infared Roses for sure.
    The Drums>Space in later years 93-94 were also very good, and long. I always look for "The Last Time" after Space in those later years, it's was like this could be the last time your ever hear such sounds. Space is the Place

  • #364
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    Good Analysis

    Good post Oro, I would pretty much agree with your analysis of the issues regarding recording quality vs. show quality. All else being equal, I prefer a high quality recording, but, having said that, I find that if a show is good the impact of the recording quality fades into the background pretty quickly as my ears adjust.

    As far as the early '80s stuff, there is a lot of great stuff there, I particularly dig some of the Scarlet Begonia's > Fire On The Mountain sequences from that era, for example on DP 6, the secret tracks on DP 13, and of course that Space>Fire On The Mountain transition from Dead Set, which was one of the things that hooked me on the Dead in the first place. I used to have a cassette of a JGB show from Music Mountain in NY in 1982 with a smokin' Don't Let Go, so there are plenty of times that Jerry was on fire in the early '80s, with the Dead and otherwise. And while not everyone digs the Drums > Space sequences, I do, a lot, and there are plenty of good ones in the early '80s. But, it doesn't affect my enjoyment at all if there are folks who don't like this, or other eras. I dig what I dig, and others are free to do the same, it's no skin off my back.

    Starting todays listening with Electriclarryland by the Butthole Surfers. Cinnamon and sugary and softly spoken lies, you never know just how you look through other people's eyes...

  • #365
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    RE: Been Wondering

    First no offense to anyone as I’m sure my opinion will not be shared by many, but he did ask.

    I think the whole culture has been suffering from the over influence of taper bias all along. Dave is a prime example. How many times have we wondered if he picked the right city and street, but ended up going to the wrong house. Conjecture to be sure, but a plausible argument by some.)
    So What’s this taper bias that you say!
    Way back when, when there were very few tapes: taping was verboten so harder to do, the equipment to make tapes was mostly lousy, so it was harder to get a great recording.
    So BITD, with Sound board tapes, (though not accurate in any way), you could often get a much better, listenable recording, comparatively. So though they aren’t accurate (they don’t sound like what the actual sound of the instruments are in the room it’s performed in etc), they became the go to standard. Plus no one likes to listen to THAT guy yell in the most heavy NY city accent “Dddddaaaaaaaaakkkk Sssssssttttttaaaaaaaarrrrrrr Jjjjjjjjjj-rrrrrrrrreeeeeeeee” every three minutes the whole night!
    Now add to the above, the increased frequency response provided by using reel to reel, and most importantly, having a somewhat dedicated individual utilizing a separate mix just for the recording versus using the afterthought house mix, and the mythical status of such tapes was enhanced.

    So when you had very few good tapes, shows that were good, versus great, started getting mythical status since there weren’t many other shows to compare too. To me, that’s how certain shows have become significantly overrated over the years. If a ridiculously good sounding tape of what is arguably only a “B” show, was the only reference and the tapes from “A” shows were not good, the B show, through tape traders WOM, like some ancient cultural tribe passing secrets and knowledge around the camp fires, was elevated to a status it may not relatively deserve.

    But today, via the archive and so many official releases, if one takes the time to listen to a variety of shows from all eras etc, you will notice that much of what has become thought of as common assumptions about certain shows/eras etc, (the music itself) are not fully accurate, thus perhaps robbing some of the pleasure and enjoyment of these dismissed out of hand shows, because of some of these bias’s that were planted long ago.
    Interestingly, as recording and other related technology has improved significantly, aud recordings often became better than SBs. But the bias that SBs were the only way to go had become so ingrained in the culture to the point that the majority of folks never check out Auds, unless it’s the only source available, or the SB is unlistenable. And yes, there are perhaps more lousy sounding Auds than great ones, but when done well, they can be spectacular and a much more accurate representation! Personally, nothing beats a properly done matrix!
    Ironically, while technology improved, the later era SB recordings were often diminished. But this is not because the band is “ragged” or the music is lessor, or not good! (Yes one can argue the mid eighties suffered some of that, but I feel there was a trade off there)
    No, once again, much of the stigma that came from the fact that many of the tapes were now produced as an afterthought, and for the mixer to use as a tool, a secondary concern, by Dan Healy who’s main concern was live sound reinforcement, not making a recording, combined with the lower fidelity of cassettes.
    That’s not to say that sometimes those SBs are still pretty damn fine for what they are: we have ample proof from several official releases! But no matter how excellent, they aren’t going to sound THE SAME, or as good as a recording by a dedicated mixer using reel to reel tape.

    So to me, the problem then isn’t so much the sound/music/band, it’s more personal, psychological, based on bias’, assumptions, and personal preferences, often stemming from recordings, not personal experience. And hey, I’m not trying to sway anyone from their pleasure zone etc. Just saying you might be surprised at how good other stuff can be, given the right ears and attitude.
    I just find personally, the quality of the show, the playing, the set list, and most of all, the effort and X factor are just as important or more so, than the recoding. I’ll take an ok recording of a ridiculously hot show over a pristine Betty reel of a so so show any day! In other words, I’m more interested in what goes in the container, versus what kind of container is used. But many people have become so biased that if it’s not a Betty board it’s not worth listening to, which is certainly their choice, it just seems so limiting and i feel bad that folks may be missing out on so much good stuff for what may not be an accurate reason?

    The other thing that allows me to be open to all eras, is not to compare apples to oranges etc. I only compare shows within a tour, or perhaps a year. The Dead was so fluid, and thus different, on many levels that to compare say, anything from 68 to 78, is futile. So by not getting hung up on those incomparable comparisons, it allows me to take each show as it is, on its own merits and failures, which every show has both, imho.

    Just to be clear, I am not trying to argue that one era is better than another, (everyone is certainly entitled to their opinions and preferences) only that perhaps SOME folks may be biased about such, due to taper bias, or cultural stereotypes, instead of first hand empirical knowledge.
    As one who has spent a fair amount of time the last several years trying to go furthur (check out Pick of the Day with discussion) adventuring into many of these “fly over tours” I have come to realize just how good and often consistent the band was more often, and during times, that many would never consider, out of hand, because of negatives biases passed down through the years etc. I’ve found very enjoyable GOGD from every year, it’s just some years/shows have higher batting averages. Just gotta poke around!
    So I’m sure the shows in the upcoming box will not sound the same as a pristine Betty, and via the constant evolution of the band/music, may sound different than your favorite year, but that doesn’t mean that it’s bad, or lessor, or not worthy, just different, so what?
    I think this box is going to rock because of the quality of the shows, and the impressive audio improvements provided via plangent and full Norman etc. comparatively, if you compare to the comparable.
    If your a big Deadhead, and there were no Betty’s, or multitrack masterpieces, and all you had to compare was similar material, I’d bet many would think much more highly of this release, and of this era!
    Obviously, not everyone’s going to like everything or in the same way.
    But I think most folks who give this a proper consideration will be pleasantly surprised.
    So yeah, I think recordings have had a big influence, but not in a good way.
    Anyway, hopefully that at least makes sense, and again, not trying to sway anyones preferences, just suggesting perhaps a different perspective?

  • #366
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    Hey Campaign,

    So, yes, definitely. I've thought about that a few times myself and I think the overall quality of the recordings is one reason why people don't go for the early 80s that much. It's amazing how with 15-20 years of technology and the soundboards got worse. Ha!

  • #367
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    Good tip Jim!

    I actually made a backup of the entire local iTunes library and did a clean fresh install of iTunes.

    The cloud then pulled down everything “as was, prior” - the version with the original screw ups whose correction led to the larger problem.

    I carefully went through and corrected those, and bizarrely noticed a lot of other duplicate tracks and errors in a load of earlier rips “corrected themselves”.

    I can only conclude that my pre-cloud and post-cloud libraries were clashing and iTunes Match couldn’t handle certain releases.

    For instance, Nightfall of Diamonds and Crimson, White and Indigo both had three copies of each track under one Album title, with each track being slightly differently named. Whatever I did cured that, making those playable again.

    I will go a redo the original Dick’s as a matter of course using newer encoding and better bitrates. Otherwise, touch wood, whatever I did to phuck it all up, I managed not to repeat. Note: do not rip Dave’s to iTunes when suffering confusion due to toxin build up in the brain! Lol. As I said, all sorted with that now, and it’s so much easier to handle the little details. A month ago, I couldn’t remember my age or phone number and was a bit of a babbling imbecile. I just didn’t notice at the time.

    I don’t know about y’all, but I like my shows to run in order, so if a Dave’s comes with another half show as filler over two discs, I’ll call that disc 3 and rehash the track info to get the playing order to my liking. That’s where I screwed up. I think.

    Anyway, all seems good now, and I see what you mean about the physical library and how iTunes orders / makes its media folders. Good tip!

    But above all, I now have a backup scheduled!

    Thanks again!

    S.

  • #368
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    Re: DOINGTHENEEDFUL

    Your Metadata for the most part should still be intact. I think your cleanest way put is to import your library folder by folder. The song names, album names, etc. should come through exactly like you had before.

    I think..

    Good luck. We've all had something like this happen at least once.

    Edit: It pays to clean up your metadata after you rip a show and put all the songs in the same folder, i.e. 1969-11-02 Family Dog. These CD sets often create a new folder(directory) for each CD using lord knows what name... the better it's organized the easier it is to recover.

  • #369
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    It’s all under one roof now!

    Guess who’s iTunes decided to interpret a change of album art for one GD track?

    Yup, you got it!

    Just turned my entire GD iTunes library into one massive album (Dave’s Picks 36)! Well done Apple! No undo button… no pre-process prompt. Just Bam!

    So, that’s everything GD Store from DP1 and GrayFolded to now, minus a medium hiatus owing to grumpiness on my part…Including a few cheeky Boots’ including 1/11/90, all of the Download series of which the original files are god knows where…

    So, do we make lemonade and use this an excuse to start again from scratch? Better bitrate lossless rips etc. reacquaint myself with some of the original Dick’s gold? Fix a few buggered files and odd names etc?

    Or do I try and fix the metadata and somehow manually rebuild the titles? I have the file created dates and the actual library has retained the folder structure at least, so physically, I have a skeleton to work from.

    One seems like a lot of effort but perhaps quicker, the other seems like a long long project, but maybe worth it it in the long run…

    Answers on a postcard? Bummer is that I can’t listen to Dave’s 43 until I commit one way or the other, because so far nothing has synced to the cloud version. As soon as I go online with that broken list, I just know the cloud version will also become “embuggered”. Serves me right for having the brain fade (literally, I had a mild brain cognitive function issue that led to the original screw up that I was trying to fix… I’m all good now though! :-) )

    I work in IT and never made backups. What a loser!

    There is another option, the nuclear option. I’m sure I installed iTunes from scratch and then it populated from the cloud version last time I got a new laptop. Maybe that’s a way forward? But where’s the fun in that?

    Love you all! And thanks again to Dr Rhino for going above and way beyond to help with a busted disc issue recently... Means the world to me, and I can’t say thank you too many times.

  • #370
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    Folks! Been wondering about…

    Folks! Been wondering about something in advance of the MSG 81-83 box and wanted to solicit some crowd thoughts.

    Obviously there are some Heads who are first-half-80s super fans. I haven't been one of them, nor are my Dead friends. I think part of that has been assumptions about how ragged the band was in the first half of the decade.

    And I'm wondering if assumptions about those years are in part down to just not having as good tapes of that era.

    That is, while the era was objectively rougher, fewer people know about how many highs and gems there were simply because the years are lesser heard, and they're lesser heard because non-aud tapes -- soundboards from cassettes -- aren't as good.

    Any truth to that idea in your humble opinions?

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WHAT'S INSIDE:
Madison Square Garden 3/9/81
Madison Square Garden 3/10/81
Madison Square Garden 9/20/82
Madison Square Garden 9/21/82
Madison Square Garden 10/11/83
Madison Square Garden 10/12/83
Newly restored and speed-corrected audio by Plangent Processes
Mastered by Jeffrey Norman
Liners by award-winning music journalist David Fricke
Artwork by Dave Van Patten
Individually Numbered, Limited Edition Of 12,500

“Welcome to the unique, enduring phenomenon of the Grateful Dead in New York City, a mutual devotion, forged in concert, that ran for nearly as long as the band itself—from June 1, 1967, a free show in Tompkins Square Park on the Lower East Side (ahead of the band’s official, local bow at the Cafe Au Go Go), to the Dead’s last Garden run, six nights in October 1994…the Dead’s affinity for New York City…was instant and arguably their most profound with any city aside from San Francisco.” - David Fricke

They got on the bus to the Port Authority, rode in on the Long Island Railroad and the New Jersey Transit line. They traveled North, South, and West on the 1, 2, and 3 subway lines, their numbers growing as they descended upon Penn Station. Some rolled up in those iconic New York yellows. Some walked excitedly through the bright lights of Broadway and Times Square, meeting up with old friends on the way and picking up a few new ones too as they ascended The Garden's stairs. Maybe you were among them - lightly buzzed on the way in, fully aglow on the way home. New York City was in its prime and damn if the Grateful Dead wasn't going to rise up to meet it! If you were there, we call on you to join us as we recapture that MSG magic and if you weren't, we invite you along on the epic journey that is IN AND OUT OF THE GARDEN: MADISON SQUARE GARDEN '81 '82 '83.

Numbered and limited-edition to 12,500, this 17CD set celebrates the band’s rich history at “the world’s most famous arena,” introducing six previously unreleased shows recorded at MSG between 1981 and 1983. It offers a front-row seat to the Dead in the early 1980s, an overlooked and underestimated era of rebirth for the band. At the time of the recordings, the group featured Brent Mydland. Mydland’s vocal power and colorful keyboard palette energized the band, invigorating older material like “The Wheel,” “Truckin’” and “Eyes of The World.” He also gave the band more musical flexibility, which encouraged them to dust off rarely aired treasures like “Dupree’s Diamond Blues” and “Crazy Fingers.”

IN AND OUT OF THE GARDEN touches on the three-year period after 1980’s GO TO HEAVEN was released, a time when the Dead were constantly on the road, playing more than 200 dates. While they were in no rush to return to the studio during this time, they continued to write new music. In 1982 and ’83, the band performed most of the songs that would appear on 1987’s IN THE DARK. The new collection includes performances of four songs from that album – “Touch Of Grey,” “Hell In A Bucket,” “Throwing Stones,” and “West L.A. Fadeaway” – plus the B-side, “My Brother Esau.”

Due September 23rd, IN AND OUT OF THE GARDEN comes in a custom box featuring new artwork by Dave Van Patten celebrating the band’s eclectic fanbase, with a cavalcade of illustrated Dead Heads. The collection also includes detailed liner notes by award-winning music journalist David Fricke, who explores the band’s connection to the Big Apple. It features newly restored and speed-corrected audio by Plangent Processes, mastered by Jeffrey Norman.

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Submitted by JimInMD on Wed, 10/05/2022 - 21:06

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Thanks for the encouraging words.. clearing my plate for a virgin listen. I have not listened to any of these shows before..

Seconding the tip of the hat to SNAFU. Ambitious, I think have me doubled more or less.

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Submitted by Deadheadbrewer on Wed, 10/05/2022 - 22:43

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Love the artwork and the box size/shape. I don't care much for conformity, so I'm enjoying that this looks like none of the other boxed sets. Haven't tossed in a disc yet, but am glad that there is a band still willing to package their concert recordings in such spectacular fashion!

Lovely fall day here in MN, so I listened to a bit of 10/10/76 (DP 33) on the short drive to the start of a long bike ride, then listened to the second set of 4/25/77 (TTATS) on the ride. The former is ferocious, the latter blows your mind so slowly and gracefully that one doesn't notice until it's too late.

Coming up in the Twin Cities we have DSO, Meet-Up at the Movies, and Justin Kreutzmann's new film "Let There Be Drums!". Plus, Zakir Hussain.

Be kind, rewind.

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Submitted by daverock on Thu, 10/06/2022 - 03:14

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Snafu - top stuff! I was out and about in the 80's, but I didn't see anything like 250 live shows. And that's counting all the different bands I saw.

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Submitted by DeadVikes on Thu, 10/06/2022 - 09:18

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10, 814, is in the house. So, it looks like it is selling well. Less than 2000 left.

I have 3/9/81 going now and the sound quality and performance are both really good. Would have to give it 5 dancing bears 🐻! Top shelf so far.
Love the box itself, easy to access the CDs, the book is great, large print for us eye sight challenged folks.

I think this really opens the door for more 80s cassette releases.

Really well done. Fantastic Box!

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Submitted by icecrmcnkd on Thu, 10/06/2022 - 16:26

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Heard some faint static just after the 8:00 minute mark.
Pretty faint, anyone else notice that?
Considering the sound implosion at the beginning of the song (commented on by Bob later in the set), a little static a few minutes later isn’t surprising. But would like to confirm that I don’t have a defective CD.

So far have spun
3-9-81
9-20-82
10-11-83 You can hear the crowd during St. Stephen, must have been a joyful place.

Now spinning 3-10-81.

Overall, I’m happy with this Box, its exactly what I expected sound wise and performance wise.
I’m glad to be able to get more early 80’s representation in the collection.

Plangent can clean up cassettes, so hopefully we’ll eventually get a Greek/Ventura July 84 Box and a Summer 85 Box.

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Submitted by musicnow on Thu, 10/06/2022 - 16:43

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The box arrived here in NC. Stoked! Glad these are individual CD cases for the shows rather than those "book like" ones that are hard to remove the CD and bulky to haul around. My box number is 8282 so I guess I'm supposed to start with the '82 shows LOL!

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Submitted by JoeyMC on Fri, 10/07/2022 - 06:03

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It finally arrived, I like everything about it; the sound quality is far better than I expected.
The shipping people seem to have completely butchered another order of mine though....

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Submitted by Sixtus_ on Fri, 10/07/2022 - 07:39

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...the box is really cool, I also like the fact it's totally different than anything else.
The music sounds great too, I'm actually feeling a little surprised in places just how clear and full it sounds; although the start of an '82 show is a bit shaky which is unfortunate as it contains the Shakedown. But if heard alone outside the refence of the other years' shows it probably sounds just fine.

Got lots and lots of zeros.
Four of them in fact, scoring number forty.
That's pretty low, whatever that means.
Perhaps it's a clairvoyant Birthday Message for my better half by far, Iggy, who turns forty following this weekend.
That. I'll go with that.

Enjoy the Spoils and Be Well People!
Sixtus

P.S. Knee deep in the '83 St. Stephen show, that jam coming out of Bertha??? Whoooo Boooy. Very cool.

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Submitted by Oroborous on Fri, 10/07/2022 - 09:40

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to Iggy, remember, age is just a state of mind!

Received mine Monday. Should have procured it on Saturday, but our passive aggressive miserable postal workers played games, but hey, it otherwise was much quicker, AND, they used different routing so it didn’t crisscross the state and pass by within less than a mile of the PO three times, which is nice.
It is a unique size/shape, I just wish these art induced flashbacks would stop?
Unfortunately haven’t gotten a good full immersion of the first three shows, so not going to comment yet except to give a general approval. WE plans are to reverse that unfortunate trend! Hope you get yours soon!
ONWARD

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Submitted by nitecat on Fri, 10/07/2022 - 12:12

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Bobby discusses Janis, Pigpen and grief after Jerry passed on some show I've never heard of 'Watch what Happens Next with Andy Cohen' - find it on yutoob.

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Submitted by hbob1995 on Fri, 10/07/2022 - 13:32

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Ok. I give up! Where is the friggin' number on this box? Lol.
Rock on

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Submitted by hbob1995 on Fri, 10/07/2022 - 13:38

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Oops! Found it. 9223
Brain Dead I guess!
Rok on

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Submitted by JerryCan on Fri, 10/07/2022 - 15:20

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I don't know if it has been mentioned, but international shipping is back to $15.99

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Submitted by FiveBranch on Fri, 10/07/2022 - 15:21

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Say what you want about the size of the book, but it offers some great panoramic shots of the band. And you won't find that in any other publication that's out there. I'm not sure that was the intent but what was first noticed when I started flipping through the pages. Boom! Ferociously right there.

While impractical, this is probably my favorite packaging sine July '78. More likely than not though, it will be stored in the wicker chest. On the other hand, last year I was dating a woman who's sister married a well to do guy who travels internationally to hunt exotic game. A real Dr. Livingstone and over the years has made his was onto the covers of hunting magazines. Anyway, after getting his kill gussied up by his personal taxidermist, he places them into museum like displays in a special wing of their home. So that's the second option for me. Marry a rich lady and build a second wing to display all my GD box sets. Track lighting and the whole bit. PM me if you think you can help!

Set it across the tops of 30 Trips and PNW.

Thanks Joey for confirming the static on 1/2 Step.

5 Branch,
I think that Dennis can advise on how to build a music collection and storage room using the wife’s money.
Sounds like your ex’s sister was dating/married The Nuge.

Just started 9-21-82 and recognized the announcer at the beginning, so have heard this show many times in the past. Sounds better than the copy I had.

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Submitted by hbob1995 on Fri, 10/07/2022 - 17:46

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VGUY72. I am surprised I was missed! Back from the Dead as you say.
I am just finishing ripping the 17th cd so now I can dig in!
Home with Covid so plenty of time on my hands.
(Missed The Who tonight due to the virus!)
Rock on

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Submitted by DeadVikes on Fri, 10/07/2022 - 17:51

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Yes, Conekid, I have the issue as well in Half Step, so it must have been in the recording. The 81 shows are great. 82 is next.

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Submitted by hbob1995 on Fri, 10/07/2022 - 18:00

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Gonna be tough to hide this one from the wife!
Rock on

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Submitted by Vguy72 on Fri, 10/07/2022 - 19:09

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....and THATS a spoiler that I don't care if you all get mad about.
Yes!!
These are originally cassette recordings? Wow. Props. Mind officially blown.
Rock on HBOB 🤜🤛. Covid is still hanging around, maybe for a while. Get better so you can continue rocking on.
There are auditory dips at times throughout these shows, but I don't fucking care tbh.

Good to see old faces around Hbob and Fivebranch, and Spacebro recently. Nothing like a new release to bring folks round.

CONEKID 1/2 Step, definitely not your disc, it’s baked into the recording. Probably a dirty switch or bad cable I.e., Bob steps on a switch and the cable to that effect is bad?
I love (and had forgotten) the crashing reverb pan at the beginning of the song.

9/21/82: had a better listening session with this one last night. Don’t usually like virgin listening at night, so dosed off a bit during the first set, but still was better session then the first three. Have enjoyed all, but something about this one resonated? Going to do a twofer (don’t usually do that with first listens either but…) of the 83 shows today as the Other One has to work so full launch protocol, systems engaging, we”ll have liftoff in T minus 18 minutes and counting…

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Submitted by Dennis on Sat, 10/08/2022 - 09:36

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Love the new box,,,, the art work in GREAT. I like the shape. Shows sound good, first show sounds really great. I must have the original "soundboards" of these show, my in stock copy wasn't that bad, but official and "cleaned" up will always win out.

Yes the book was "big", but did have great pictures in it. No one has mentioned, but I like the "postcards", "stickers" and "coloring book" that it contained. Thought that was a nice touch.

But truly love the art!

Touched on new Weir, like the eyes into what's going on,,,, nice combo.

Listening to Days Between, sounding very nice.

Order the redo of "Ace". (How can you not! :-) )

I will mention this, just because there seem to be a slew of post about health.

New experience for me this week. Had a heart attack on Tuesday. I'm fine, a couple of stints and better than before.

I'm home and will be back taking care of the Meth heads on Monday probably.

Talk of new box and hiding from wife..... I'm telling you, hand on heart, best time to get something like this is when you're laying in the hospital. WHAT COULD SHE SAY? Ok, maybe a little concerned she bury me in the thing. If I had croaked there be an outpouring of "dead" stuff on the internet at bargain prices! She'd sell it all for pennies on the dollar! I'd come back and haunt her for that :-)

Just because I know it's coming,,,, thanks everyone for your kind thoughts. Deadheads are the best.

Back before the internet, when letters were posted to ".net" and there was a music.grateful.dead.net. There was a letter about the "dead" crowd. One letter summed it up best and I can only paraphrase. Guy said he rather be at a dead show where some tripping person may knock you down, but will help you back up and apologize. True that!

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Submitted by That Mike on Sat, 10/08/2022 - 11:03

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Dennis - Real glad to read you’ve bounced back from your heart attack. That’s amazing you have recovered so quickly, must be the bulletproof New Jersey in you.
I dropped you a mention on the DaP 43 page that the Beach Boys - not sure if you’re a fan - have a super deluxe enhanced extra large 6 CD (and a vinyl version) release “Sail On Sailor” box coming in November (my interest in this release is the 1972- 2 cd “live” concert from Carnegie Hall), I thought you’d be interested. Now that you are on the mend, you are absolutely right, your wife WANTS you to get this now, to aid your recovery!
Note - the price is pretty high, so keep that cardiologist’s number at hand.
Seriously glad you are feeling better.

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Submitted by rasta5ziggy on Sat, 10/08/2022 - 11:36

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Not sure where else to post this, but this weeks' JOTW got me prepped for the 30 Days. There was no indication of location or date of the show as there usually is, so I brought out my trusty Deadbase IX, no syching for me, and began the search. My favorite thing to do during November.

I think I check it out and thought,,,, NO.

I like the hits as much as the next, but that box was pricy as I recall,,, will go check now.

But I gladly take a copy to add to The Collection.

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Submitted by PT Barnum on Sat, 10/08/2022 - 12:48

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Dennis will be back to work after taking the weekend off to have heart surgery, wow mate, you are quite a rugged individual. HBOB covid sucks but just take it easy and play dead, good to see you here again and just had a birthday so I have officially entered geezerhood. Colors are coming on strong up here in the Mountains.

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Submitted by Oroborous on Sat, 10/08/2022 - 12:48

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Ya know, I’ve had this feeling: “where’s Dennis”, almost sent ya a shout out this AM, since you haven’t been around.
Well so glad to hear you’re ok and back in the saddle!
Pretty crazy how fast they get ya in and out for such “routine” procedures nowadays!
Isn’t the average stay like 5-6 days now?
Now if only they could make such progress with the C.
Anywho, tell the Mrs the Doctor insists that you heal with as much music as possible, that outta justify a few boxes lol.
Be well amigo!

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Submitted by JimInMD on Sat, 10/08/2022 - 15:03

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Holy Crap! Take care of yourself Dennis.. wishing you one hell of a recovery and many years to come.

He who dies with the most boxsets wins.

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Submitted by Cousins Of The… on Sat, 10/08/2022 - 16:30

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All this talk of hiding from our wives...remember, Dead box sets will get you through times of no money, better than money will get you through times of no Dead box sets.

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Submitted by Vguy72 on Sat, 10/08/2022 - 18:31

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....and correct in his statement.
I told my wife that a got another box. It's September dammit!
She just said, "whatever". I call that a win! Because she finally realized that she would not win that battle lol. She finally waved the white flag. Be grateful I don't buy vinyl.
Going into 10.13.83.
Got concerned when there wasn't a middle disc, then I realized....

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Submitted by JimInMD on Sat, 10/08/2022 - 19:47

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Freewheelin' Cousins on Box Sets and Money.

So true

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Submitted by proudfoot on Sat, 10/08/2022 - 20:43

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Box sets will get you through times of no wives. Gloriously.

Just tell her, "I, as a grown-ass man, just bought a GD box set."

If you even feel a need to explain yourself.

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Submitted by proudfoot on Sat, 10/08/2022 - 22:13

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Excellent work, PTB

Never mind the naysayers

Here's the GRATEFUL DEAD

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Submitted by Dennis on Sun, 10/09/2022 - 07:17

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I like the comment about being a grown man and I don't need no justification damnit!

I keep justification simple,,,, I open her closet and point to shoes and pocketbooks!!

Do you really need a 20 mule team (in brown and black) in there?

I bet I could make 6 whole cows from the skin of the purses!

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Submitted by DeadVikes on Sun, 10/09/2022 - 07:59

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Dennis,

Hope you have a speedy recovery and be well.

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Submitted by proudfoot on Sun, 10/09/2022 - 08:45

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Pleeeeeeeeeeeez Dave

G R E E K

Boxes I have
Official versions
PNW
July 78
St. Louis
MSG

unofficial versions
June 76
Fillmore West 69
Giants
Winterland June 77

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Submitted by Oroborous on Sun, 10/09/2022 - 09:26

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…and hasn’t missed a beat!
You go Dennis!
Ha, “I just open the closet…”
My other one has a bit of a book problem, so she doesn’t say a word about my modest music purchases.

VGUY: I think that’s Mickey chiding Bobby: “play it like you mean it Bobby” always seemed to me that Mickey liked messin with Bob.

PF: already hollering for a new box…this one still has the new box smell lol

Listened to every CD in the Box and they all played great.

Thanks for confirmation from others about the static. I figured that it was on the source tape because it sounded like the static that’s on so many summer ‘85 recordings (I read before, think it may have been in Skeleton Key, that the summer ‘85 static was traced to a loose cable in Phil’s system).

Yesterday got all the CD’s imported to computer, converted to ALAC, and loaded onto a micro SDXC card for use in a music player. Currently playing 3-9-81 and it sounds great. Definitely a sound upgrade compared to what I had.

Wow Dennis, bouncing back quickly.
That’s good, the kids at the store need you for elderly guidance.

Proudfoot calling for a new Box already?
This one hasn’t lost its new car smell yet.
It will probably be a while before another early/mid-80’s Box comes out, unless Dave/Rhino get on board with my idea of 2 Boxes per year. Summer ‘84 and ‘85 need the cassette Plangent treatment for sure.

But I’m hoping that the next Box is a Summer ‘73 GD/ABB combined Box, not limited edition, available at all retail locations. I figure that may be the best way to get the ABB organization to agree to a release, don’t put a limit on the number of units for sale and don’t restrict it to the Rhino store.

That should also then still make a limited edition Box from the Rhino store a possibility for 2023. So bring on the Ark Box in all its Plangentized and Normanized glory.

for 2 boxes a year. I mean WTF are they waiting for?
This dribbling out a lousy 5 or 6 show boxes and only 4-6 shows from Dave, FFS!

At the rate their dribbling then out, according to Dave’s 20 year plan (9 left), that means only 36-54 Dave’s shows and 45 to 54 Box shows, plus hopefully a few 50 bonus shows. So a little over a hundred…
Now that may sound like a lot but when you start looking at all the good stuff that hasn’t been released it’s obvious a lot of really good shows are not going to get the treatment, bummer!

So again, why? Why don’t they release more? Sure it will take longer to sell out somethings if more are available, but eventually most will, and even if not, overall they’ll still make more money!
Do they think a bunch of kids who generally don’t buy a lot of “things” are going to pick up the slack when we croak or lose interest? WTF?

Yep limped through the box in fits and starts and finally finished last night. First shows are kinda a blur at this point but I think I thought each one seemed to get better, but haven’t been able to properly listen yet.
More splices than normal which doesn’t bother me, I guess they/he really wanted these particular shows?
Perhaps that’s the rub with doing the venue theme, though I generally like the venue theme concept.
Great Dane, Greek, Rochester, Spectrum, Frost, Ventura, Cal Ex, Hampton, the list goes on so with the way their only trickling them out many will not get released!
I like the art, except it keeps triggering these damn flashbacks lol.
Yes it’s a unique shape, but I like that their all different.
The book was ok. Wide angle photos were awesome, text was ok. Other stuff not really my thing but hey I buy em for the music, especially when they get the full treatment!
I think the music in this box is mostly good, an occasional off moment, but with some truly fantastic songs too. So like most GD music…
Same with the audio. Considering the source: some occasionally less than stellar interludes but mostly good and often sounds amazing especially considering the source. Gives hope that they can fix up more shows from the second half of their career.
So far so good, I think I’m only going to like this more as I get a better chance to get to know it!

TAPE STATIC: seem to recall tapes from whenever (can’t recall) mid eighties, 87?, when Healy started to broadcast them over FM he transmitted over small area in and around shows to help keep overflow crowds away. I believe some folks used to tape that way so occasionally you’d get some static from that too…

NEXT YEAR: what they should do: Big RFK, Watkins Glen etc unlimited mass distribution release in conjunction with ABB like Conekid said, with another deadnet only best10 remaining 73 shows (there are way more left) with 9/17 or 9/15 as the Wake 50th bonus. (They have the most songs off of the album at 6).
9/11/73 couid/should be a DaP. But will they, nooooooooooo, probably come out with a line of pet products: steal your poop doggie scooper anyone? And socks, need more socks…

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Submitted by PT Barnum on Sun, 10/09/2022 - 12:21

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Oro, good review, will check these out when I get some real time to listen. Agree also about more releases, we will all be gone long before they release everything in the vault.

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Submitted by icecrmcnkd on Sun, 10/09/2022 - 15:11

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I think that the patch in 3-9-81 Estimated is on copies I’ve had in the past, which would suggest that Healy did it years ago. But I didn’t check other copies to confirm yet.

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