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A sealed, unlabeled box sat undisturbed for decades on a shelf in the Grateful Dead’s San Rafael tape vault on Front Street, its contents an enduring mystery, even to those few with access to the vault. All David Lemieux knew about that box when he became the Dead’s archivist was that it contained tapes belonging to Bear—Owsley Stanley, the Dead’s first soundman and architect of the Wall of Sound. Even in the Dead Heads’ Holy of Holies, the taped-up box was tantalizing. But this was Bear’s personal property, and so he didn’t touch the box out of an abiding respect for the elder luminary of sound. Bear’s archive of Sonic Journal recordings had been kept safe for him for years within the Grateful Dead’s vault—over 1,300 reels of tape stored in heavy-duty cartons like old banana boxes. At any time, David could have popped the tops and explored them to his archivist heart's content. But they were off-limits without the nod from Bear. - Starfinder Stanley, Hawk, and Pete Bell, Owsley Stanley Foundation

With a wink and a nod from Bear, we've peeled back those banana boxes to find some of the oldest and rarest of all recordings of the Dead including the double dose of shows that make up DAVE’S PICKS VOLUME 43. The two virtually complete performances from San Francisco 11/2/69, Live At Family Dog At The Great Highway, and from Dallas 12/26/69, McFarlin Auditorium, are complementary in their clarity and consistency thanks to Bear himself, and in their ability to foreshadow where the Dead were headed in the years to come. If the two killer 20-minute+ "Dark Stars" don't get ya, how about the Pigpen-centric sets featuring "Midnight Hour," "Next Time You See Me," "Big Boss Man," "Good Lovin'," and the once-lost-now-found complete rendition of "Dancing In The Streets," or the first full acoustic set ever performed? And we're certain you'll be fascinated to uncover the "Mystery Of Bear's Banana Boxes" as told by Starfinder Stanley, Hawk, and Pete Bell in the liners.

Limited to 25,000 numbered copies, DAVE’S PICKS VOLUME 43 was recorded by Owlsey "Bear" Stanley and has been mastered to HDCD specs by Jeffrey Norman at Mockingbird Mastering. Grab a copy while you can.

*2 per order. Very limited quantity available.

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August 7, 2022 - 11:46am

#1131

Oroborous

Joined:
June 19, 2007

Simple must do audio rules

There are many things that can be done to get your system set up correctly that often can facilitate noticeable performance improvements equal too or greater than any electronics! Best part, they cost little or nothing!

SPEAKER PHASING: one of the most notorious mistakes that makes a huge noticeable difference and is super easy.
Make sure your positive amp/receiver terminal is connected to the positive of the speaker, ON BOTH speakers!!
So positive to positive, negative to negative etc. on both speakers.
If one is wired opposite of the other, your speakers are out of phase which means their working against each other instead of with each other. Speakers move back and forth, or in and out. If one is wired out of phase that means one speaker is pushing air out while the other speaker is pulling back in, thus effecting bass coupling dramatically! So what you say? You will likely laugh or gasp at how much better your speakers sound (bass enhancement) when you hear them in phase after getting used to them being out!

SPEAKER HEIGHT: the tweeter should always be placed at ear height. So if using stand speakers, measure so stand places the speakers tweeter exactly at listening position ear height. In conekids case he’s a little higher, which might effect his main position, but since he’s trying to cover 2 zones IR areas it’s a trade off. This is an example of how the situation may dictate slight tweaks, but you should at least start following these rules then tweek.

SPEAKER PLACEMENT: optimally should form an equilateral triangle: same distance from listening position to each speaker, and same distance between speakers. This can be tweaked depending on several variables.
Spread them out too far and you lose acoustic coupling and stereo imaging etc., too close together and your sound field collapses and you lose stereo effect etc. This is something you can play with and doesn’t cost anything.
Obviously you should try to avoid placing objects in front of speakers…
They should be placed along a wall, but out from the wall. Too close to the wall causes boundary issues that make bass bloated and unnaturally loud etc. Too far out from the wall and they can sound too thin (not enough bass).
Again, depending on your speakers and other factors you can play with this until you get it right.
Same with listening position: if you sit too close to any wall, but especially the back wall you’ll again suffer from boundary issues that unnaturally bloat/muddy bass.
Really you should never put speakers or listening position next to a wall!

RULE OF THIRDS: look it up. Though using the third dimension is usually not practical, the rule of fifths is and works perhaps better. What’s that you say? Divide your room into fifths. Place the speakers one fifth of the way in from the side walls, leaving three fifths between them. So a 20’ room would have the center of each speaker 4’ from the side walls with 12’ between speaker center points. Then, to form the equilateral triangle, measure 12’ from the center of each speaker to your ear position at your listening sweet spot! Depending on your speakers you may want to toe them in slightly versus having them point directly forward. Again, play around and tweek. Tweeting should be done vary slightly, sometimes an inch or two can make a big difference! Be slow and methodological.

SUB WOOFERS: I’m not a fan of subs for 2 channel stereo, but they can be a necessity for small bookshelf speakers etc.
Subs suffer even more from boundary issues described above! Corners are usually the worst place to put a sub woofer!
Here’s a trick. Place your sub in your listening position and put on some bass active music you know well. Now crawl around on the floor and listen. When you find the place the bass sounds best, put your sub there. This is a cheap down and dirty way to deal with room modes, one of the biggest negative factors in music enjoyment. (Look them up).
I have a fairly large above average system in a dedicated room, but my room is too narrow for my system so I often have horrible bass bloat issues because of these room modes etc. (funny but it’s mostly only a problem with old Dead when Phil was still playing Alembic lol). Usually I can just roll off a little of my 30 hertz eq nob on my C 40 pre amp. I have a DSP room unit that uses excellent Dirac SW, but haven’t gotten around to it (slacker).
There are many solutions and sometimes DSP can help (but that won’t do pure analog folks much good) but often the best way to deal with many of these issues is to follow these fairly simple rules and play around with things.

Oh, lastly. You can help smooth out your room by dampening first reflection points. There’s diffusion and absorption and more. But to keep it simple. We’ll just look at some basics.
Have someone with a mirror move along the side wall with the mirror. The place where you can see the speaker in the mirror while being seated in the listening position is the first reflection point. Put something (all kinds of things both diy and professional) in that spot along the wall (and ceiling if you want to go the extra distance) that will absorb the sound, so that your hearing the direct sound from the speaker without the phase issues and coloration of the reflected sound off the wall. This is another simple but big improvement.
You can experiment with placing adsorption in other obvious places like directly back from the speakers on the opposite wall. If you have a big room, perhaps look at second reflection points.

NOTE: this is not sound proofing! That is a whole other field above and behind this tutorial. Save your money! Putting egg crates, foam, or most of the items for sale on line DO NOT WORK! They will not stop bass from passing through walls and structure! Some of these products may help the sound in the room, but will do nothing for stopping it’s transmission out of the room!

SPEAKER ISOLATORS: another thing you just have to try. Using the pointy spikes or not for speaker feet. Sometimes they help other times you may want to isolate your speakers from the floor to eliminate too much bass and our help with transference to another room or dwelling.
Oh, use a heavy carpet on the floor at least between the speakers and listening position if not bigger. Put this is yet another situational thing that you may have to play with.

Remember folks: the situation is the boss!
Hope this helps!

HDCD: if everything is set up and functioning properly you can hear a difference. How noticeable or if noticeable will depend on your equipment, set up and ears. If you have a nice system and actually play discs, you might find some improvements but for many you might not really hear a difference, certainly not a huge difference so I wouldn’t worry too much about it. Following the above mentioned rules as much as possible will!

Oh, ps, the above assumes best case practices. As no room is perfect, and some are just plain awful, and many of us need to live with our significant others, ahem, obviously not everyone will be able to follow all of these.
August 7, 2022 - 11:44am

#1132

daverock

Joined:
September 1, 2014

Replacement

Cnkd - It never occurred to me at the time that I could have asked for a brand new replacement. The replacement from the shop floor is better - the first one used to skip tracks out - with this one it's just the delay in registering which track is playing by about a second that's a bit odd. It plays to perfection apart from that. And really sounds good.
August 7, 2022 - 11:14am

#1133

Dennis

Joined:
November 1, 2012

Sound systems

Good talk.

More important to system?

Listening!!!

When I bought my system the guy told me, you will not hear what this system does, while doing the dishes, while cleaning, while doing anything else. You have to sit and listen.

It's true.

Sound systems and people are a funny thing. I think MOST people listen to the radio and only own a handful of cd's/albums, usually the stuff they listen to in high school or college,,,, after that they stop buying. Kids today seem to live off spot-e-fied and own nothing. I have found the largest genre in people's collection is christmas albums (go figure!)

I think this group of people are the exception to that.

What'd ya think?
August 7, 2022 - 11:04am

#1134

KeithFan2112

Joined:
August 6, 2014

Since there's a CD player discussion going on...

For people who are listening on HDCD players, what sort of improvement can you hear in the audio? I would think there is some discernable improvement.

I think I've listened to these shows 10x each. Moved on to others in the time period. Doing Dick's Picks 4 at the moment. I was not hardcore into the Dead when it was released. I imagine people were reacting even more positively into it than even this Dave's Picks, due to the Fillmore legend of the Feb 13 & 14 shows when it came out. Was there a discussion board up at the time to spread the enthusiasm?

Vguy - good to see the red dice and green felt has returned - it's positively you.

Nitecat - also digging TC's contributions on these shows. When he was "on" and audible, he really filled out their sound nicely.
August 7, 2022 - 9:44am

#1135

icecrmcnkd

Joined:
October 20, 2015

More audio talk

Wow, Daverock that’s a pricey player to be malfunctioning, and then be replaced by a floor model (which apparently has the same defect). They should have given you a new one from the factory.

I thought that my new Cambridge Audio CD player was defective but then realized that my Vizio TV remote interferes with it. I had the TV on and was going through the menu adjusting settings but every time I hit a button on the TV remote the CD player would jump tracks or stop playing. Was relieved to find that the CD player was fine.

Nick, go with what sounds best to you.

Last night spun the Anthem of the Sun CD that I bought in 1989 (it’s the 1971 remix) and it sounded pretty dull.
Then put in Steppin’ Out CD3 and started at Truckin’. Sounded better, but not that great.
DaP43 sounds far superior to those older CD’s.
August 7, 2022 - 12:34am

#1136

daverock

Joined:
September 1, 2014

Magic Ingredient

To me, the best sounding recordings I ever heard were the first ones I got, between 1971 and about 1978. They were records, and what made them great was the magic ingredient. It had nothing to do with what I played them on. If your system captures that-you've got it. For me you can no more improve on that than you can The Grand Canyon

Nick1234 - having said that, I got a Rega Saturn-R cd player about 3 years ago. And it sounds great - but the first one I bought had to go back to the shop after about 9 months, as some cds wouldn't play-and others jumped to the 3rd or 4th track when I wanted to hear the 1st one. They eventually replaced it with a display model from the shop floor. That is great - although I have noticed that half way through a cd...when the music for track 4 starts, the display unit still shows track 3 for a few seconds - it is slightly behind the music. But the sound quality is top notch. As for the magic ingredient....
August 6, 2022 - 10:21pm

#1137

Charlie3

Joined:
September 21, 2015

My Wife

I joke, but my wife has put up with my idiosyncrasies and such for 30 years, 36 if you count the time we were together before getting married. She deserves a medal, 'cause I am aware that I can be a difficult person to live with sometimes.

The speakers have a clear pretty clear path to spread the sound around the space and the actual speakers are at the upper two thirds of about a 43 inch high tower, so a bit above the ground, and built to tilt ever so slightly to direct the sound slightly upward and fill the space nicely, so I exaggerate about the impediments, or more accurate to say I just get a little obsessive about the impediments to the sound.

For tonight's classic '70s movie I went with the Godfather, the first one. I've watched it several times before but it never disappoints, I love that movie every time. A near perfect movie, weirdly gratifying.
August 6, 2022 - 8:58pm

#1138

Nick1234

Joined:
September 10, 2008

System advice

While we're on the subject can I ask for a bit of advice? I'm in the market for a new system and at the moment I'm thinking of a Naim Supernait 3 amp and B&W 702 S2 speakers. I can audition these at my local hifi dealer. What CD player to accompany these? I'm not going for a turntable at the moment. I have 5 weeks to audition anything at my local shop before I move to the Shetland Islands and there's no hifi dealer there that I'm aware of so it's now or never. I'd sort of like to support Rega as their factory is about a mile from my current house but at these prices I'll go for the best fit for my ears.
August 6, 2022 - 5:37pm

#1139

Vguy72

Joined:
June 29, 2007

Also point out....

....that at concerts, they raise the stacks on cables for maximum efficiency.
August 6, 2022 - 5:04pm

#1140

icecrmcnkd

Joined:
October 20, 2015

Charlie, etc

Point out to your wife that at concerts they don’t put the speakers on the floor, that would block the sound.

My kitchen and living room are connected end-to-end, about 12 feet wide, so not a huge area to fill with sound. The speakers in the air project the sound into the kitchen perfectly, with the sweet spot from the front of the couch back to the island in the kitchen. Can also see the TV on the wall from the kitchen.
It’s just me and my dog, so I can turn the volume up as loud as I want.

I’ve had this new CD player for 2 weeks and have also been playing non-GD CD’s to see how they sound. The Cambridge Audio dealer that I got it from said that it needed about 100 hours of use to get broken in so I’ve been spinning CD’s instead of using my iBasso music player.
Once the CD player is broken in I might then run it into the DAC via stereo RCA cables which I did at first, and it boosts the signal by about 20 dB according to having to turn down the volume, but I wanted to break it in sending the signal to the receiver.

Spinning Rush - Exit Stage Left currently.
This morning was Floyd - More and then Piper.
I’m thinking next the Anthem of the Sun CD I bought in 1989, want to see if that sounds good or if it’s a victim of crappy 80’s mastering.

The iBasso music players come with a burn-in adapter which simulates the electrical resistance of being plugged into a stereo system. You plug that in and put a show on loop and just let it run for about 50 hours, and then it’s supposed to be broken in.

John Perry Barlow

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A sealed, unlabeled box sat undisturbed for decades on a shelf in the Grateful Dead’s San Rafael tape vault on Front Street, its contents an enduring mystery, even to those few with access to the vault. All David Lemieux knew about that box when he became the Dead’s archivist was that it contained tapes belonging to Bear—Owsley Stanley, the Dead’s first soundman and architect of the Wall of Sound. Even in the Dead Heads’ Holy of Holies, the taped-up box was tantalizing. But this was Bear’s personal property, and so he didn’t touch the box out of an abiding respect for the elder luminary of sound. Bear’s archive of Sonic Journal recordings had been kept safe for him for years within the Grateful Dead’s vault—over 1,300 reels of tape stored in heavy-duty cartons like old banana boxes. At any time, David could have popped the tops and explored them to his archivist heart's content. But they were off-limits without the nod from Bear. - Starfinder Stanley, Hawk, and Pete Bell, Owsley Stanley Foundation

With a wink and a nod from Bear, we've peeled back those banana boxes to find some of the oldest and rarest of all recordings of the Dead including the double dose of shows that make up DAVE’S PICKS VOLUME 43. The two virtually complete performances from San Francisco 11/2/69, Live At Family Dog At The Great Highway, and from Dallas 12/26/69, McFarlin Auditorium, are complementary in their clarity and consistency thanks to Bear himself, and in their ability to foreshadow where the Dead were headed in the years to come. If the two killer 20-minute+ "Dark Stars" don't get ya, how about the Pigpen-centric sets featuring "Midnight Hour," "Next Time You See Me," "Big Boss Man," "Good Lovin'," and the once-lost-now-found complete rendition of "Dancing In The Streets," or the first full acoustic set ever performed? And we're certain you'll be fascinated to uncover the "Mystery Of Bear's Banana Boxes" as told by Starfinder Stanley, Hawk, and Pete Bell in the liners.

Limited to 25,000 numbered copies, DAVE’S PICKS VOLUME 43 was recorded by Owlsey "Bear" Stanley and has been mastered to HDCD specs by Jeffrey Norman at Mockingbird Mastering. Grab a copy while you can.

*2 per order. Very limited quantity available.

Nnnnnope

I for one am veeeeery happy with this.

I got the box. Which individual show did you get?

3/9?

You might think differently if you were able to get 3/10/81.

dcboater

Looks like it could be time to crack open "Live Dead" again.

Baseball Playoffs Are Here!

Us Toronto Blue Jays fans wish good luck to the imperialist lackey running dog Seattle Mariners, starting today.

October is such a great sports month - NHL is starting, baseball playoffs are starting, NFL is in high gear (except for last night’s Colts-Broncos “game”), NBA starting soon, World Cup coming…
On the music front, SO many new releases out, and on the Dead front, it appears that the new MSG box is two thumbs up from pretty well everyone, there is a new DaP coming shortly (get those bets and votes in for what shows it may be), there is a new re-issue of Ace for order, Jerry has another release coming…whew!
All this, and another cancer free MRI scan for me this week. All this as we enjoy our Thanksgiving weekend here in the colonies. One. Lucky. Man.
It is to weep.

That Mike

Congrats on the MRI. Went through 11 years of that watch and wait stuff myself and it's no fun getting checked every 6 months, or even more often the first 2 years. Never had treatment, touch wood, and hopefully your results stay good. Those were CTs for me mostly and even with insurance each one cost me a grand. Kept me almost bankrupt the whole time but some cancers are simply mysteries to the docs. Best wishes!
Cheers

Oh happy day!

Happy, happy, joy, joy, yes Mike, it’s Rocktober, “it’s Friday and I’m in love again”
Or, I’m so glad, I’m glad, I’m glad, I’m glad.
Glad to hear things are well, (for 1stshow too!), sounds like it’s truly a time to be thankful.
So big holiday wishes this WE to our friends across the border! Gobble, gobble 🦃
Can’t imagine going through all that, even after going through it with pops, I’m sure it’s way different when it’s you!

Big WE, the Other One has to work so imma gonna get busy with this shinny new box of goodness, well, right after I get down to the miiiiiiiinnnnneeeeee!

Hopefully Dave isn’t in a sports coma and gets us his next installment of slipping and sliding and dodging eagles on the beach!
Happy Fri Day Folks!

First Show/Oro - Thank you!

FirstShow & Oro - Thanks for the kind words. I have dealt with it for 16+ years, surgeries, immuno treatments (awful), months in a physical rehab facility as I learned to walk again (it attacked my spine), and I’ve had SO many MRI & CTs in all these years, I should be able to shoot lightning from my wrists. (Would that ever be cool for when the neighborhood kids come by for Halloween…!) Went from Stage 4 in a wheelchair to being cancer free, regularly biking and going to the gym, and hikes with the dog.
So our Thanksgiving here is feeling pretty good this year. I’m glad you beat it too, FirstShow, great news. Thanks again both of you for your thoughts.

Five For A Dollar

Local library "Friends of the library" book sale today.
All LPs and CDs as many as 5/$1.00 so no sense in getting < 5.
CD - Mars Hotel, like new and oddly I didn't have that one.
CD - Workingman's Dead, also pristine and got the LP last year at the sale for $2.00 (reverse inflation!) also perfect.
CD - Byrds - Sweetheart Of The Rodeo, looks like a newer reissue. Yes, has the Gram Parson outtakes, etc.
CD - Vivaldi - The Four Seasons, one of my all time favs.
CD - Jackson Browne - Running On Empty, how is it I didn't have that?
Love helping the library by helping myself, LOL. Got lots of books too, $1. for paperbacks, $2. for hardbacks.
Splurged on a $5. rarity, Audubon's The Birds Of America, not the giant collectable but a big folio size from 1962.
Not a bad haul for 30 minutes work. Need another bookshelf. They're piling up. The wife's a former librarian in her youth and a firm believer that you cannot have too many books.
Cheers

Edit: No need to abbreviate your story Mike. You've had a tough row to hoe. My second C doc died during my watch & wait, of course of the big C. Really hurt. He was cool. We talked fly fishing a lot as I had worked for Scott Fly Rod making expensive rods here in Montrose at two different times. Let's just keep on truckin'!

Oh, that mike

Trash talkin' the Mariners?

I certainly ain't holding my breath. But Go Mariners!

Miscellaneous

1st Show - My doc is going through C now, and is closing his practice (he’s younger than me), so we spoke by phone yesterday and he really thanked me for inspiring his fight. Knocked me out at the knees. Thanks again. (I don’t want to downer everyone on a great music site.)
PS - Sweetheart of the Rodeo is a gem! To get the Parson’s cuts is great, because they had previously only been available on an out of print box set (which I have), and they sound really cool stacked up against the McGuinn originals. I have been a Byrds fan forever, and I still have a Byrds book I’ve never seen in print anywhere else that I “borrowed permanently” in my teen years from my local library. (To keep the karma at bay, I have donated dozens of decent books to the library, but not that Byrds book, it’s a keeper, still!)

Proudfoot - Oh yes, ‘tis the season for trash talk!

Mike

A nod to you for your valiant and successful fight. Well done. There can be no better gift for the holidays. Congratulations and enjoy.

Jack

Thanks Jack!

Keep up the fight

Cancer sucks.

The chemists that won the Chemistry Nobel Prize this week developed technology that can be used for many things, including cancer treatment and imaging.

Little Red Rooster

8/19/80

Bobby does some great vocals

The entire show is awesome

The C Word....

....not good in either context.
But then again, I'm not Irish.

For those out there on the terrain...

AAAPPPPPPLLLLLEEESSS
AAAAANNNNDDD
OOORRRRAAAAANNNNGGGEEESSS!!!!

you either get that or you don't

Thatmike

Congratulations on your recovery - it's great to read your posts on here.

Apples and Oranges - (a)syd.

DaveRock et al

Thank you, my friend. Thanks to everyone who wished me well. I’ve said this before about this group here on this forum: a nicer group of people you will not find. :)

PS - Expecting the Wolf Brothers (Live In Colorado Volume 2) new release today. I know a lot of folks here that have seen them live say they can be a little low-key, and the first Volume was certainly that way, but I did like it, and I’m hoping this one is enjoyable, too. Saturday night is for playing Motorheadache (that name of that cover band playing here recently - from England - still makes me laugh, and the lead singer is a Lemmy faithful knockoff), and Sunday morning is for the Wolf Brothers.

Live in Colorado Vol 2

My copy arrived yesterday and I fitted listening to it in between the ‘82 shows from the box set. The tempo is certainly slower but I did enjoy it. I particularly like the version of TOO and I’m a sucker for any versions of Brokedown Palace and Ripple. All in all it was worth the cost of purchase.

Thatsmike and 1stshow

Way to get back Truckin' ON!! These are magical times we live in, scientifically, as thirty years ago there was so little to be done about that 'C' word. Speaking of 'C' words, go get your ColonosCopies, people! I hit the big 5-oh a week after everything shut down in 2020, so didn't get around to my first until last fall, but how lucky are we to have good ways to detect certain 'C's? The procedure is easier than a teeth cleaning, and the prep is NOT as bad as people make it out to be. Just do it, folks! :)

It's difficult to find the chat these days, eh? Anybody ready for the MLS playoffs?

Be kind, rewind.

I'm not a robot, or else I wouldn't need colonoscopies.

Highly recommended

8/19/80

Let’s Play Ball!

DH Brewer - Yes, absolutely ready for playoffs. I was chirping Proudfoot yesterday with some Seattle trash talk, but eating a slice of humble pie today. I texted my youngest just before the game to see if he had to leave work “for a dental appointment with Dr Cooperstown” - ie - watching the game - but he texted back and said he was actually at the game! He said it was like the power got switched off after the Imperialist Lackey Running Dog Mariners (sorry, Proudfoot) took the lead in the first inning. Oh well.

Colin - I’m glad to hear Wolf Vol 2 is a good one!

Not a lot of chatter about the Beach Boys on these pages, but they have a super deluxe box set coming in November (Hello, Dennis!) covering the Carl & The Passions/Holland albums (with Blondie Chaplin and Ricky Fataar), two decent BB albums. While I have those albums, there is a two disc live set as part of the package from 1972 (I think) that I’d like to get. We will see, because this package is expensive.

Thatsmike: MLS, not MLB :)

I used to LOVE baseball, and still keep up with it, but now my love is soccer, so I was checking if anyone were interested in Decision Day in MLS Sunday, then the ensuing playoffs. Mike, as you likely know, the Toronto MLS team loaded up this year, but were never quite able to put it all together. The Loons looked great for a spell mid-season, but now have been absolute garbage for almost two months, so even if they make the playoffs, they may not be long in them.

Perhaps the clocks in MLB next year will improve the pace of play in MLB like they have in the minors, and that will help my interest in baseball. And if Manfred orders a ball that isn't made of old socks, then perhaps we could start seeing singles and doubles again? :) I grew up on 2:30 games that had lots of base hits, so this slow-moving Three-True Outcome version of the game is tough on this old curmudgeon. :)

Bass ball

Bin Berry, Berry good to me.

When I was a kid I lived for baseball. Huge St Louis fan: Bob Gibson, Ted Simmons, Lou Brock. I wanted to be Lou Brock. I mean how many little kids used to practice stealing bases!
Then I watched the money ruin it. Sure it’s happened to all sports, but watching it go down as a kid in real time to my childhood love was crushing. Then they started the announcers who NEVER shut up BS, coinciding with my personal BB “career” being curtailed by narrow minded jocks/politics: basically redneck coach couldn’t abide having freaks on HIS team even though I was way better then many on the team.
That’s when I turned my back on sports or at least jocks, and fully embraced the R&R lifestyle. Like, I can waste my time and hang around these jocks and end up bummed out with nothing, or I can cut a bunch of lawns, buy a guitar and amp, and have fun!, and maybe get a girlfriend! Hhmmmm??? A job, money, guitar/amp, maybe a GF versus….?
But I still think Hunter S Thompson was on to something in his sports book Hey Rube. He says the two best ways to improve BB would be to limit each batter to five pitches, no matter what, and to be able to throw the ball at players like in kickball lol.

Hhm.

No comments available on the MSG box?

Well.

I started with 9 20 82. Plenty fine. Now 9 21 82. Then 10 12 83, 10 11, 3 9 81, 3 10 81.

Extra MSG!!!!!

WELL DONE, PTB! WELL DONE!!!

Cards BB

Oro, now yer talkin'! St. Louis born and I got to see Gibson ( the original "the Big Man") pitch a world series game before we left STL in Dec. '67. Such an imposing pitcher standing on that mound. Could scare you even before he pitched it at you. Not sure which series game, could have been in '66. Brock, Orlando(?) Cepeda, they were a dynasty then and still my BB team.
Cheers
Got those Infinity speakers going in the bedroom system. They absolutely ROCK! Tested them with something I know the sound of, DP18 disc 3 that starts with that raging Sampson where Jer has to improvise awhile when Bob's mike was dead. And he certainly didn't use it all up as the later solos are powerful as well. Someone described the part where Jerry is filling in the beginning and goes into one of his rapid fire single note riffs as him aiming his guitar neck at the roadies and making like a machine gun firing at them to get the damn mike fixed.

Yes PF, not even a lot of posts on the 17CD thread either. Haven't fired up the 3CD yet. No comment.

PF....

....the MSG comment board is over there 👉

Thank you for the clarification, vguy

;)))

Hey Proudfoot

(In best Maxwell Smart voice) Hey Proudfoot! About that “Imperialist Lackey Running Dog Mariner” nonsense….

That Mike

It's all good, baby.

I keep sports a very long arm's distance away from my consciousness.

I just want the Mariners to win.

The ILRDMs are running onward to Houston

Mike

That was rough.

I don’t usually watch baseball that much anymore, but I had the game on while I was making dinner. Yikes.

Been a difficult year for Toronto sports fans.

Here’s my comment about the MSG box. DaP 43 is an immaculate release. Both the sound and the playing. So glad I own it.

Steal Your Faceoff starts Tuesday....

....so quit yer chirping.
Going to the home opener Thursday against Chicago.
$70. I sneak whiskey in a plastic flask in my sock. Not because I'm cheap, but because I'm not stupid. Cokes are $8 ffs.
Golden Knights are looking decent.
Game On!!

Sports Recap

Jack - The TO teams just fold under the pressure. I’m like you, I don’t watch much baseball anymore - that FOUR HOUR PLUS game is a perfect example why - but that was a tough one to watch.
Proudfoot - Good luck to the ILRDMs in Houston.
VGuy - Now you are talking my sport! I’m pretty pumped the season is starting. Smart move on the flask, they soak you crazy for refreshments at sports venues. I gave up the firewater a few years ago, but I know even then it would be $12 for a pony piss beer in a cup. Nah.

My Miami Dolphins....

....first Tua. Now Bridgewater out. Starting rookie Skylar John Thompson. Dude shares my middle and last names so he can't be all that bad.

You can't go wrong

With the money I saved by not buying the MSG box I bought the Mosaic box "The Complete Dial Modern Jazz Sessions". Which is amazing - a trip to another musical universe for me.

But daverock....

....you realize what site you are on though, right? Lol.

whoops...

Vguy - sorry, back to the baseball !

What I bought instead

Like Dave Rock with the money I saved by not buying, in my case, the 24LP box I have, so far, bought a number of items I hadn’t planned on buying anyway. Bill Evans - Live at the Village Vanguard’ , Keith Jarrett - ‘at the Blue Note’ box and 28 albums on the Discus label based in Sheffield. All are excellent and I still haven’t spent up. I think I’ll buy some more Discus albums.

Just to stay on topic - The Bills are doing well so far tonight aren’t they :))

MSG Box

The money I spent for the MSG Box is more than the money I spent on the Little Feat Box ($85 with free shipping), although the MSG Box has 17 CD’s of live concert recordings and the LF Box has 6 CD’s of live concert recordings, and 2 CD’s of greatest hits.
The MSG Box was $5 more than the Real Gone 10-09,10-76 vinyl (note: it’s the anniversary).
I received all of them over the past few weeks and have enjoyed them all and will continue to do so.

Bring on DaP44, JGB, Hendrix, and RSD.

MSG Cover Art

I'm not sure everybody can still find MSG Comments, so excuse me for reposting this here just in case:

Finally caught up with my MSG box and had a chance to scan and work on Dave Van Patten’s cover art. It’s definitely a trip. Way more out there than the first image we kept seeing on the website showing a hand reaching down for shrooms. . . First, I combined the art from all four sides of the box (front, back, flap & spine) into a long horizontal panorama. Be careful – it’s a face-melter. It’s also a big file, so there’s a HI-res and MED-res version.

The official artwork for the six individual shows was derived from the box’s cover, but they simplified it. The full-tilt art on the box is so insane, I couldn’t resist making alternate covers for each show that include more of the crazy, complex context that was edited out (they’re listed in Dropbox as “BOX Art”). For any purists who may prefer the simpler, but official artwork that’s actually on the CD’s, they’re included too (“CD Art”). Check ‘em out and share ‘em around while listening to some well-recorded and potent Dead from the early 80s!

Try this: dropbox dot com/scl/fo/dxzr09qeqy5er7xlnoq64/h?dl=0&rlkey=5uz42d6yp5i7eby44rcg0ln9u

or PM me with an email address and I'll send you the linque.

AND glad to hear many of you are patiently facing down serious health issues with a healthy dose of humor. An inspiration to us all. Onward!

Thanks Jeff

I was sort of meh on the cover art from what I initially saw in the early dead.net reveals. I didn't give it much thought.. but it did little for me.

When I opened it I immediately got it and I think it's great. The colors, context, the swirling carnival atmosphere.. add in a touch of benevolent weirdos and what have here is what it feels and looks like when you are walking through the crowd dosed out of your mind.

I immediately saw and liked it for what it is.

Edit: Ooops, posted on the wrong page. Sharing again elsewhere.. sorry for the duplicate.

Anniversary show 10/9/82 Frost Ampitheatre

40 years ago today, I was at the Frost Ampitheatre for an absolutely far out fun day with the Good Old Grateful Dead. My friends and I were lit and the Grateful Dead didnt disapoint. I'm sure a lot of other people who post on the this forum were there and know what a special day it was. It was the first appearance for the Dead at the Frost, Kingfish opened for Eric Clapton in 1975, and Garcia played a show there in 1971. A great time for the Grateful Dead in the Bay Area.

Football sucks balls....

....but thats just the fan in me complaining.
Stupid Lions didn't even put a dent into the Patriots. Sorry Bob Lopes, but I have a long time distain regarding NE. Guess why??
Edit. I tend to cuss when it comes to sports. I signed a waiver though saying it was OK many years ago.

My son and I....

used to use the term "Lions" as a put-down when something lame presented itself

Yeah, football tends to suck balls

In a round about way

So going off Colin's post - on top of my mine - it just goes to show that even if you don't buy a deadnet box, the release of one can lead to the purchase of great music.

Anniversary show 10/10/82 Frost Ampitheatre

40 years ago today, I was at the Frost Ampitheatre for another great show with the Grateful Dead. I bought a nice t shirt that said Stanford Dead on the front, I wore it out. They didn't sell anything inside the Frost that I remember, they didn't sell beer at the Frost or the Greek,. They sold beer down in Ventura and I sure bought alot.

Anniversary show 10/10/80 Warfield Theatre

42 years ago tonight, you know where I was at, man those 1980 Warfield Theatre shows were a blast ! I think that there is a possibility for a Warfiield 80 box set. I assume they have some backup cassette masters, so even though some of the master reels got erased they would still have backups on cssettes. So let's get that 1980 Warfield box set cooking.

10/10/80

I'm not sure where I was specifically on that date, but you can be pretty sure it was that scene generally known as "the wrong place".

Last 5

1. DiP - 18, disc 3, 2-5-78 Cedar Falls
2. Steely Dan - Aja: According to wiki the band is named after a sex toy in a Burroughs novel?
3. Steely Dan - Can't Buy A Thrill: I like the David Palmer vocals on some of the songs. Fagan was uncomfortable with his vocal skills? By their second album their producer convinced him to take the lead.
4. Joe Cocker - Best Of
5. Joe Cocker - Sheffield Steel: Maybe my favorite of his studio albums. Has guest spots for Adrian Belew, Jimmy Cliff (album recorded in Jamaica), and Robert Palmer.
Got a whole new catalog of tunes now that a cassette deck is back. Old favs!
Cheers

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Neil Young Archives Volume Two 1972-1976. Funny how the studio discs sound more 'live' than the live discs.

I've been a bit off Neil for a few years but the recent release of Time Fades Away on cd has got me back in in a big way. God that's a great record.

Last 5

Cheap Trick-At Budokan-Complete
Brand X-Nuclear Burn-Disc 3
Windham Hill Electronic Sampler-Soul Of The Machine
David Crosby-If I Could Only Remember My Name-Disc 1 of Re-issue
Traffic-Mr. Fantasy-Remaster

Dave!! Please head over to the beach so we can hear what #44 is all about!!

Music is the Best!!

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