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A sealed, unlabeled box sat undisturbed for decades on a shelf in the Grateful Dead’s San Rafael tape vault on Front Street, its contents an enduring mystery, even to those few with access to the vault. All David Lemieux knew about that box when he became the Dead’s archivist was that it contained tapes belonging to Bear—Owsley Stanley, the Dead’s first soundman and architect of the Wall of Sound. Even in the Dead Heads’ Holy of Holies, the taped-up box was tantalizing. But this was Bear’s personal property, and so he didn’t touch the box out of an abiding respect for the elder luminary of sound. Bear’s archive of Sonic Journal recordings had been kept safe for him for years within the Grateful Dead’s vault—over 1,300 reels of tape stored in heavy-duty cartons like old banana boxes. At any time, David could have popped the tops and explored them to his archivist heart's content. But they were off-limits without the nod from Bear. - Starfinder Stanley, Hawk, and Pete Bell, Owsley Stanley Foundation

With a wink and a nod from Bear, we've peeled back those banana boxes to find some of the oldest and rarest of all recordings of the Dead including the double dose of shows that make up DAVE’S PICKS VOLUME 43. The two virtually complete performances from San Francisco 11/2/69, Live At Family Dog At The Great Highway, and from Dallas 12/26/69, McFarlin Auditorium, are complementary in their clarity and consistency thanks to Bear himself, and in their ability to foreshadow where the Dead were headed in the years to come. If the two killer 20-minute+ "Dark Stars" don't get ya, how about the Pigpen-centric sets featuring "Midnight Hour," "Next Time You See Me," "Big Boss Man," "Good Lovin'," and the once-lost-now-found complete rendition of "Dancing In The Streets," or the first full acoustic set ever performed? And we're certain you'll be fascinated to uncover the "Mystery Of Bear's Banana Boxes" as told by Starfinder Stanley, Hawk, and Pete Bell in the liners.

Limited to 25,000 numbered copies, DAVE’S PICKS VOLUME 43 was recorded by Owlsey "Bear" Stanley and has been mastered to HDCD specs by Jeffrey Norman at Mockingbird Mastering. Grab a copy while you can.

*2 per order. Very limited quantity available.

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August 7, 2022 - 11:46am

#1131

Oroborous

Joined:
June 19, 2007

Simple must do audio rules

There are many things that can be done to get your system set up correctly that often can facilitate noticeable performance improvements equal too or greater than any electronics! Best part, they cost little or nothing!

SPEAKER PHASING: one of the most notorious mistakes that makes a huge noticeable difference and is super easy.
Make sure your positive amp/receiver terminal is connected to the positive of the speaker, ON BOTH speakers!!
So positive to positive, negative to negative etc. on both speakers.
If one is wired opposite of the other, your speakers are out of phase which means their working against each other instead of with each other. Speakers move back and forth, or in and out. If one is wired out of phase that means one speaker is pushing air out while the other speaker is pulling back in, thus effecting bass coupling dramatically! So what you say? You will likely laugh or gasp at how much better your speakers sound (bass enhancement) when you hear them in phase after getting used to them being out!

SPEAKER HEIGHT: the tweeter should always be placed at ear height. So if using stand speakers, measure so stand places the speakers tweeter exactly at listening position ear height. In conekids case he’s a little higher, which might effect his main position, but since he’s trying to cover 2 zones IR areas it’s a trade off. This is an example of how the situation may dictate slight tweaks, but you should at least start following these rules then tweek.

SPEAKER PLACEMENT: optimally should form an equilateral triangle: same distance from listening position to each speaker, and same distance between speakers. This can be tweaked depending on several variables.
Spread them out too far and you lose acoustic coupling and stereo imaging etc., too close together and your sound field collapses and you lose stereo effect etc. This is something you can play with and doesn’t cost anything.
Obviously you should try to avoid placing objects in front of speakers…
They should be placed along a wall, but out from the wall. Too close to the wall causes boundary issues that make bass bloated and unnaturally loud etc. Too far out from the wall and they can sound too thin (not enough bass).
Again, depending on your speakers and other factors you can play with this until you get it right.
Same with listening position: if you sit too close to any wall, but especially the back wall you’ll again suffer from boundary issues that unnaturally bloat/muddy bass.
Really you should never put speakers or listening position next to a wall!

RULE OF THIRDS: look it up. Though using the third dimension is usually not practical, the rule of fifths is and works perhaps better. What’s that you say? Divide your room into fifths. Place the speakers one fifth of the way in from the side walls, leaving three fifths between them. So a 20’ room would have the center of each speaker 4’ from the side walls with 12’ between speaker center points. Then, to form the equilateral triangle, measure 12’ from the center of each speaker to your ear position at your listening sweet spot! Depending on your speakers you may want to toe them in slightly versus having them point directly forward. Again, play around and tweek. Tweeting should be done vary slightly, sometimes an inch or two can make a big difference! Be slow and methodological.

SUB WOOFERS: I’m not a fan of subs for 2 channel stereo, but they can be a necessity for small bookshelf speakers etc.
Subs suffer even more from boundary issues described above! Corners are usually the worst place to put a sub woofer!
Here’s a trick. Place your sub in your listening position and put on some bass active music you know well. Now crawl around on the floor and listen. When you find the place the bass sounds best, put your sub there. This is a cheap down and dirty way to deal with room modes, one of the biggest negative factors in music enjoyment. (Look them up).
I have a fairly large above average system in a dedicated room, but my room is too narrow for my system so I often have horrible bass bloat issues because of these room modes etc. (funny but it’s mostly only a problem with old Dead when Phil was still playing Alembic lol). Usually I can just roll off a little of my 30 hertz eq nob on my C 40 pre amp. I have a DSP room unit that uses excellent Dirac SW, but haven’t gotten around to it (slacker).
There are many solutions and sometimes DSP can help (but that won’t do pure analog folks much good) but often the best way to deal with many of these issues is to follow these fairly simple rules and play around with things.

Oh, lastly. You can help smooth out your room by dampening first reflection points. There’s diffusion and absorption and more. But to keep it simple. We’ll just look at some basics.
Have someone with a mirror move along the side wall with the mirror. The place where you can see the speaker in the mirror while being seated in the listening position is the first reflection point. Put something (all kinds of things both diy and professional) in that spot along the wall (and ceiling if you want to go the extra distance) that will absorb the sound, so that your hearing the direct sound from the speaker without the phase issues and coloration of the reflected sound off the wall. This is another simple but big improvement.
You can experiment with placing adsorption in other obvious places like directly back from the speakers on the opposite wall. If you have a big room, perhaps look at second reflection points.

NOTE: this is not sound proofing! That is a whole other field above and behind this tutorial. Save your money! Putting egg crates, foam, or most of the items for sale on line DO NOT WORK! They will not stop bass from passing through walls and structure! Some of these products may help the sound in the room, but will do nothing for stopping it’s transmission out of the room!

SPEAKER ISOLATORS: another thing you just have to try. Using the pointy spikes or not for speaker feet. Sometimes they help other times you may want to isolate your speakers from the floor to eliminate too much bass and our help with transference to another room or dwelling.
Oh, use a heavy carpet on the floor at least between the speakers and listening position if not bigger. Put this is yet another situational thing that you may have to play with.

Remember folks: the situation is the boss!
Hope this helps!

HDCD: if everything is set up and functioning properly you can hear a difference. How noticeable or if noticeable will depend on your equipment, set up and ears. If you have a nice system and actually play discs, you might find some improvements but for many you might not really hear a difference, certainly not a huge difference so I wouldn’t worry too much about it. Following the above mentioned rules as much as possible will!

Oh, ps, the above assumes best case practices. As no room is perfect, and some are just plain awful, and many of us need to live with our significant others, ahem, obviously not everyone will be able to follow all of these.
August 7, 2022 - 11:44am

#1132

daverock

Joined:
September 1, 2014

Replacement

Cnkd - It never occurred to me at the time that I could have asked for a brand new replacement. The replacement from the shop floor is better - the first one used to skip tracks out - with this one it's just the delay in registering which track is playing by about a second that's a bit odd. It plays to perfection apart from that. And really sounds good.
August 7, 2022 - 11:14am

#1133

Dennis

Joined:
November 1, 2012

Sound systems

Good talk.

More important to system?

Listening!!!

When I bought my system the guy told me, you will not hear what this system does, while doing the dishes, while cleaning, while doing anything else. You have to sit and listen.

It's true.

Sound systems and people are a funny thing. I think MOST people listen to the radio and only own a handful of cd's/albums, usually the stuff they listen to in high school or college,,,, after that they stop buying. Kids today seem to live off spot-e-fied and own nothing. I have found the largest genre in people's collection is christmas albums (go figure!)

I think this group of people are the exception to that.

What'd ya think?
August 7, 2022 - 11:04am

#1134

KeithFan2112

Joined:
August 6, 2014

Since there's a CD player discussion going on...

For people who are listening on HDCD players, what sort of improvement can you hear in the audio? I would think there is some discernable improvement.

I think I've listened to these shows 10x each. Moved on to others in the time period. Doing Dick's Picks 4 at the moment. I was not hardcore into the Dead when it was released. I imagine people were reacting even more positively into it than even this Dave's Picks, due to the Fillmore legend of the Feb 13 & 14 shows when it came out. Was there a discussion board up at the time to spread the enthusiasm?

Vguy - good to see the red dice and green felt has returned - it's positively you.

Nitecat - also digging TC's contributions on these shows. When he was "on" and audible, he really filled out their sound nicely.
August 7, 2022 - 9:44am

#1135

icecrmcnkd

Joined:
October 20, 2015

More audio talk

Wow, Daverock that’s a pricey player to be malfunctioning, and then be replaced by a floor model (which apparently has the same defect). They should have given you a new one from the factory.

I thought that my new Cambridge Audio CD player was defective but then realized that my Vizio TV remote interferes with it. I had the TV on and was going through the menu adjusting settings but every time I hit a button on the TV remote the CD player would jump tracks or stop playing. Was relieved to find that the CD player was fine.

Nick, go with what sounds best to you.

Last night spun the Anthem of the Sun CD that I bought in 1989 (it’s the 1971 remix) and it sounded pretty dull.
Then put in Steppin’ Out CD3 and started at Truckin’. Sounded better, but not that great.
DaP43 sounds far superior to those older CD’s.
August 7, 2022 - 12:34am

#1136

daverock

Joined:
September 1, 2014

Magic Ingredient

To me, the best sounding recordings I ever heard were the first ones I got, between 1971 and about 1978. They were records, and what made them great was the magic ingredient. It had nothing to do with what I played them on. If your system captures that-you've got it. For me you can no more improve on that than you can The Grand Canyon

Nick1234 - having said that, I got a Rega Saturn-R cd player about 3 years ago. And it sounds great - but the first one I bought had to go back to the shop after about 9 months, as some cds wouldn't play-and others jumped to the 3rd or 4th track when I wanted to hear the 1st one. They eventually replaced it with a display model from the shop floor. That is great - although I have noticed that half way through a cd...when the music for track 4 starts, the display unit still shows track 3 for a few seconds - it is slightly behind the music. But the sound quality is top notch. As for the magic ingredient....
August 6, 2022 - 10:21pm

#1137

Charlie3

Joined:
September 21, 2015

My Wife

I joke, but my wife has put up with my idiosyncrasies and such for 30 years, 36 if you count the time we were together before getting married. She deserves a medal, 'cause I am aware that I can be a difficult person to live with sometimes.

The speakers have a clear pretty clear path to spread the sound around the space and the actual speakers are at the upper two thirds of about a 43 inch high tower, so a bit above the ground, and built to tilt ever so slightly to direct the sound slightly upward and fill the space nicely, so I exaggerate about the impediments, or more accurate to say I just get a little obsessive about the impediments to the sound.

For tonight's classic '70s movie I went with the Godfather, the first one. I've watched it several times before but it never disappoints, I love that movie every time. A near perfect movie, weirdly gratifying.
August 6, 2022 - 8:58pm

#1138

Nick1234

Joined:
September 10, 2008

System advice

While we're on the subject can I ask for a bit of advice? I'm in the market for a new system and at the moment I'm thinking of a Naim Supernait 3 amp and B&W 702 S2 speakers. I can audition these at my local hifi dealer. What CD player to accompany these? I'm not going for a turntable at the moment. I have 5 weeks to audition anything at my local shop before I move to the Shetland Islands and there's no hifi dealer there that I'm aware of so it's now or never. I'd sort of like to support Rega as their factory is about a mile from my current house but at these prices I'll go for the best fit for my ears.
August 6, 2022 - 5:37pm

#1139

Vguy72

Joined:
June 29, 2007

Also point out....

....that at concerts, they raise the stacks on cables for maximum efficiency.
August 6, 2022 - 5:04pm

#1140

icecrmcnkd

Joined:
October 20, 2015

Charlie, etc

Point out to your wife that at concerts they don’t put the speakers on the floor, that would block the sound.

My kitchen and living room are connected end-to-end, about 12 feet wide, so not a huge area to fill with sound. The speakers in the air project the sound into the kitchen perfectly, with the sweet spot from the front of the couch back to the island in the kitchen. Can also see the TV on the wall from the kitchen.
It’s just me and my dog, so I can turn the volume up as loud as I want.

I’ve had this new CD player for 2 weeks and have also been playing non-GD CD’s to see how they sound. The Cambridge Audio dealer that I got it from said that it needed about 100 hours of use to get broken in so I’ve been spinning CD’s instead of using my iBasso music player.
Once the CD player is broken in I might then run it into the DAC via stereo RCA cables which I did at first, and it boosts the signal by about 20 dB according to having to turn down the volume, but I wanted to break it in sending the signal to the receiver.

Spinning Rush - Exit Stage Left currently.
This morning was Floyd - More and then Piper.
I’m thinking next the Anthem of the Sun CD I bought in 1989, want to see if that sounds good or if it’s a victim of crappy 80’s mastering.

The iBasso music players come with a burn-in adapter which simulates the electrical resistance of being plugged into a stereo system. You plug that in and put a show on loop and just let it run for about 50 hours, and then it’s supposed to be broken in.

John Perry Barlow

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A sealed, unlabeled box sat undisturbed for decades on a shelf in the Grateful Dead’s San Rafael tape vault on Front Street, its contents an enduring mystery, even to those few with access to the vault. All David Lemieux knew about that box when he became the Dead’s archivist was that it contained tapes belonging to Bear—Owsley Stanley, the Dead’s first soundman and architect of the Wall of Sound. Even in the Dead Heads’ Holy of Holies, the taped-up box was tantalizing. But this was Bear’s personal property, and so he didn’t touch the box out of an abiding respect for the elder luminary of sound. Bear’s archive of Sonic Journal recordings had been kept safe for him for years within the Grateful Dead’s vault—over 1,300 reels of tape stored in heavy-duty cartons like old banana boxes. At any time, David could have popped the tops and explored them to his archivist heart's content. But they were off-limits without the nod from Bear. - Starfinder Stanley, Hawk, and Pete Bell, Owsley Stanley Foundation

With a wink and a nod from Bear, we've peeled back those banana boxes to find some of the oldest and rarest of all recordings of the Dead including the double dose of shows that make up DAVE’S PICKS VOLUME 43. The two virtually complete performances from San Francisco 11/2/69, Live At Family Dog At The Great Highway, and from Dallas 12/26/69, McFarlin Auditorium, are complementary in their clarity and consistency thanks to Bear himself, and in their ability to foreshadow where the Dead were headed in the years to come. If the two killer 20-minute+ "Dark Stars" don't get ya, how about the Pigpen-centric sets featuring "Midnight Hour," "Next Time You See Me," "Big Boss Man," "Good Lovin'," and the once-lost-now-found complete rendition of "Dancing In The Streets," or the first full acoustic set ever performed? And we're certain you'll be fascinated to uncover the "Mystery Of Bear's Banana Boxes" as told by Starfinder Stanley, Hawk, and Pete Bell in the liners.

Limited to 25,000 numbered copies, DAVE’S PICKS VOLUME 43 was recorded by Owlsey "Bear" Stanley and has been mastered to HDCD specs by Jeffrey Norman at Mockingbird Mastering. Grab a copy while you can.

*2 per order. Very limited quantity available.

Billy the Kid-1980 Warfield

Billy,

I have always been a huge proponent of getting this run out.

Must have been a blast, what a lucky guy you are. Do you remember how much your tickets were for those shows?

The history (from what I can recall) on what is in the vault goes back to after The So Many Roads box was released, the next box they wanted to put out was the Warfield/RCMH and per Blair Jackson, the Reels were not available. So they ended that idea. In 2020, Dave L confirmed in one of the Shakedown Streams, the multi track reels were reused for a Brent solo project in 83 (the horror!) and there would never be a multi track box set release of this run, they simply did not have the material.
So, I like the way you are thinking on backup cassettes? Hard to know, would be interesting to have someone confirm if they exist and then release the whole run. 70-80 CDs. I will start saving up now.

Shoot Billy, I had given up on this and now you are giving me some hope.

Returned reels list

1980 - 11 REELS

• 09-27-80 SF CA, 2 x 7” REELS Nagra 1/2trk 7.5ips Acoustic
• 10-04-80 SF CA, 2 x 7” REELS Nagra 1/2trk 7.5ips Acoustic
• 10-06-80 SF CA, 2 x 7” REELS Nagra 1/2trk 7.5ips Acoustic
• 10-09-80 SF CA, 2 x 7” REELS Nagra 1/2trk 7.5ips Acoustic
• 10-10-80 SF CA, 1 x 7” REEL Nagra 1/2trk 7.5ips Acoustic
• 10-11-80 SF CA, 1 x 7” REEL Nagra 1/2trk 7.5ips Acoustic
• 10-13-80 SF CA, 1 x 7” REEL Nagra 1/2trk 7.5ips Acoustic

Cassettes

79. 0/00/80 Studio = 1
80. 1/24/80 Studio = 1
81. 2/00/80 Studio = 1
82. 9/25/80 Warfield = 1
83. 10/9/80 Warfield = 3 [NOTE *LABELED AS 10-7-80*]
84. 10/13/80 Warfield = 3
85. 10/14/80 Warfield = 4
86. *10/31/80 Radio City = 3 *= - 3 CASSETTES MISSING*
87. 5/6/81 Nassau = 1

There’s a ‘Complete’ Budokan?

I have the CD/DVD combo, better check if that is ‘complete’.

Deadvikes. The Warfield box

Deadvikes I'll find out how much those tickets were, my brother just showed me his ticket stubs yestreday. I still have my ticket stubs around here somewhere. I think a Warfield box set is a real possibility by using cassettes, isn't that what they used for the MSG BOX,cassettes? Maybe they they can combine the multi track reels and cassettes and get a complete box set.

10/10/80

I was at the Boston world of wheels, and had my picture taken with Roscoe p. Coltrane. How about that, you dipsticks.

10.10.80....

....I was just discovering girls lol. How about them apples.
Almost time for puck drop. I'm geared up and ready to go!

Closing of winterland

I picked up an opened, but unplayed cow dvd set for $6. I love the part where Jerry says "...and he packs a .45." sweet.

DaP 44

Been on a kick to find the greatest version of The Eleven for a compilation of Phil's phinest work for a fellow bass-playing co-worker who's never checked out the Dead or Phil, so that led to DaP 10 Bonus Disc, and a ripping Eleven, and when that fi ished, next up on the USB was DaP 11. Long-ass Boston commute got me through it quickly and up to my belabored point: I hope the next Dave's, whatever year or era, has a Brokedown Palace. I think the unexpected drop into that out of a wild, wooly, and weird Other One makes it all the more poignant. It's a song that lives in your head for a while, and I find myself whistling it. May be time to dust off Workingman's and American Beauty. The High Time from Workingman's will definitely be on that mix for my buddy. And if any are wondering, 2/28/69 is surprisingly in the lead for The Eleven. Though I'm gonna use the St Stephen and Death Don't Have from DaP 43. That Jerry moan about 7 min into St Stephen as they launch into the jam is just awesome. I rewind it every time. The Eleven on that 11/2/69 show is good, but big flub on the drum break and Phil re-entry, one of my favorite parts of The Eleven so unacceptable for a mix cd.

I probably would be better off not asking, but for those that have it, how is the MSG box? I'm still on the fence on it, especially after packing everything up to move last weekend and slowly unpacking and finding ways to have the collection out, not fun. Don't need a box set that I won't really listen to, though I have enough that fit that category already, even when they contain great stuff like the box last year or PacNW73-74.

10/12 & 13/68 Avalon Ballroom. Release time

It's time for an official release of these 2 incredible shows, put them both out for Dave's Pick #45. What a fantastic way to start out the new subscription year!

Alvarhanso

You can actually lay the MSG Box on top of the PNW Box and not take up too much more shelf space.
If you like the era, then I think that you will enjoy the Box.

Re: icecreamkid

Mix my eras?! Perish the thought!

But seriously, I did actually display the Dead collection by year/era, and have added a little extra space to be able to break up 1978-95 to two different shelves as opposed to the current single mashup. Listen to the River went to the 73-74 shelf, skipping the 72 shelf. 77 is overly packed. 65-70 could use some more stuff...

And was the MSG box really cassette sourced? For all the shows?

Re: Alvarhanso / MSG Box

Yes, they are cassette masters. I have not listened to every show yet.. but I can give some cursory comments.

I decided to go backwards this time, starting with 83. I had this feeling 81 was going to be the best and I like to finish on a good note. I have finished a first listen to 83 and 82 and did take a sneak peek into 81.

81 (from my brief peek) seems to have both the stronger performances and better recordings. 82 in the middle and 83 does seem to lag behind but it still has it's moments. This is the first box where every show is a cassette master. They did a good job cleaning things up as best they can, but you can tell these are not Betty Boards or Multi-Tracks. To it's credit, the 81 show sounds really good (again, partial listen) and like cousins said on the MSG thread, Jerry is blazing hot. 82 is the mid range. 83 seems to have that 83 fuzz. The mix isn't spot on perfect and it has a bit of a kick drum fetish. The organ and Phil are not prominent in the mix either. Still, it sounds better than some of the 83's and Healy did not seem committed to funnel in crowd noise. There are some patches too.. a couple are hard to not notice.

I like it, but I am an equal era opportunity person.

They are certainly testing their model though. The Giants Box had both better performances (in my opinion) and they were multi-tracks. The 10k limited edition sold out very quickly, but lots of people in the New York area were there and surely gobbled up a lot of what was printed. This box is a few years earlier and taps out at 12,500 copies.
They seem to be more reliant on their tent pole construction, with 81 keep the canvas above our heads. It will surely sell out but again, in my humble opinion it's not as strong as the Giants Box, which spans the Brent years into Bruce and Vince.

There are some really strong moments, perhaps Cone Kid said it better using far few words. Not sure if I helped or hurt.. but that's my take so far.

Alvarhanso

Yes, cassettes, then Plangent Process.
3-9-81 sounds better than any copy I’ve previously had, and overall sound quality is good for the whole Box.
There are a few patches, but that is better than not including the song on the release.

The Eleven

You should post your list of best Elevens, I think I like 3/1/69 but i bet there are great ones off the beaten path.

The Eleven....

....yup. I will never, ever turn it down.

A mind well boggled

It's almost too mind boggling to contemplate, which is the best version of "The Eleven". My favourite shows in which it featured were in the first half of 1969, if that's any help. I also like the wild ride of those 1968 versions , when it came out of China Cat. No other rock band on God's earth played like that.

Alvar

If you’re currently searching for the best version of The Eleven, then you’re probably not going to like this MSG release. This box set is inferior in a multitude of ways, not the least of which is the sound quality. I was on the fence because I was dubious of just that. I decided to make the purchase because I own very little from the 81, 82, 83 time period. Well, now I have more than enough. Oddly, my favorite part of the whole release is the lost verse from West LA Fadeaway. Try to live by the golden rule . . .

If you have to own everything that’s released, by all means go purchase it. If not, do yourself a favor and go listen to DaP43 again.

Whatever Wakas Your Jawaka

I didn’t buy the MSG box, just the single show breakout, but I would have to say that if the audio on 3/9/81 is, as some have said, some of the best audio of any show in the box, well, it's good that I didn’t shell out for the whole thing.

It’s weird, isn’t it, that we have shows from the ‘60s, when everybody was tripping their balls off and working with equipment that Fred Flintstone would’ve snickered at, but the shows are in much better audio than any we’ve got from the early ‘80s.

But then again everybody’s definition of “good” audio is going to be different.

Me, I love listening to, say, stuff from the Wall of Sound period where you can hear each musician clearly, even though the vocals are often buried. Seems like Betty Cantor felt the same way, judging by her mixes.

The 3/9/81 show is disappointing to me because I can’t hear Weir’s guitar at all, and the mix is overly dominated by Jerry and Brent at the expense of everything else that’s happening. But the vocals are very prominent, and the band is playing with the energy and focus that NYC audiences always seemed to bring out of them, so most people will really like this I’m sure.

Hey, did anybody get tix for the final (supposedly) Dead & Co tour? I meant to try to get the last show in SF, but wound up having to work (wtf, still, at my age, I gotta work?) yesterday, and couldn’t be online. I’m afraid to even look to see what tickets are going for on the secondary market. Maybe this was just the Universe letting me know I don’t really need to be there.

Wanted to mention that I’ve been checking out some Zappa recently, and to thank everybody who posted recommendations some weeks ago after I brought him up.

Last five:
Zappa: Waka Jawaka
Michael Brecker Band: Live at Fabrik (“New” release of an excellent ‘80s show!)
Roy Hargrove: Earfood
Mingus Big Band: Blues and Politics
Ty Segall: Manipulator

Deadvikes. The Warfield ticket prices 1980

Deadvikes the price of the tickets for the 1980 Warfield shows were $12.50 for floor seats and $10.50 for balcony seats. The Warfield was a small theatre, it only held 2,300 people, there wasn't a bad seat in the house. There was a nice bar upstairs. 3 sets of great music from the best band in the world for $12.50, " last fair deal in the country". Let's hope we get that Warfield box one day.

Dead & Company tickets....

....crazy expensive. Hard pass.
Going to the Golden Knights home opener toknight. Ticket prices for those games have dropped off since the first couple of seasons. I guess the shine is wearing off.

1980, Dead and Co, box blues

I concur, anything from 1980 is ok in my book. It's all good. Dead and Co. hard pass also, really, after what I saw with the wolf bros and Bob, sleep fest. Hopefully, Billy and Mickey can get a band together, Mickey Hart Band was a great band, rhythm devils also very good. Will be interesting what else they will come up with, I can see both of them dieing on stage. Box blues, I had a gut feeling that this was the case ie sound, thanks AJS and CTM for honest reviews. Not a snob, just want the entire experience. Jerry high in the mix is ok too if that's all ya got.

44

6/23/90
Coming 10/18/22

44

Looks to be 6/23/90. It's got a Cumberland.

Artwork looks to be cartoon skeletons dancing in the forest. None bearded, four wearing wigs, four wearing hats to hide their baldness. One sleeping. That's all I have. Back to your regularly scheduled Stranger opener.

44/Dead & Co

A couple of you beat me to the announcement but I am looking forward to DaP 44. I am not familiar with this show but I just checked out the setlist and it looks great. I am really loving the variety of releases. Between all 4 Dave's Picks and the MSG Box we are really being treated to some great shows spanning all eras. Once again, I tip my hat to Dave L and the crew. Absolutely wonderful!

Regarding Dead & Co- I have seen a lot of discussion about ticket prices. Sadly I think that is the norm. Same with Phish and other bands too. It just seems that to get seats close to the stage or with a good view it will simply cost a lot. I am going to go to Starlake and I bought lawn tickets. Thankfully they are still reasonably (for the times) priced. I passed on last years show at Starlake- I had several bad omens on the day of, and I ended up miracling my tickets. I lucked out because Nugs ended up broadcasting the audio from the show for free so I got to hear it all from home.

I am going this year as I am planning on getting together with a bunch of friends. Honestly I have felt that with each passing year, Dead & Co have lost momentum so to speak. I don't fault the boys for going out there and still playing music at all - it is more my sensibilities. However since they are coming to my town one last time I thought why not?
I may even trek down to VA to see an old buddy and catch the show down there.

DaP 44

There is a heaping helping of great comments about this show right here on this site in the Archive, by folks who were there. It sounds like a can’t-miss show, and a great choice for release. Plus, it’s got a lovely long Crazy Fingers! Bliss.

DaP 44....

....where can I find this news?

Vguy

October Bulletin

D&C

Last time I saw them was Nov 2017, $99 GA floor.

An easy skip next summer.

Oct Bulletin....

....ahhh. Thanks Conekid! 👍
My crew and I almost went to that show.
I can never have enough Cumberlands.

DaP44

Hope it has the missing 12-26-69 Cold Rain as filler at the end of CD2.

Yes 21 LP Box

7 shows from 1972.

It’s in the Rhino Newsletter.

Cheaper than Lyceum ‘72 Vinyl.

6/23/90 Autzen!!

First show I saw in the Great Northwest. Little Feat opened both days. Awesome fun weekend back in the days where there were no real worries. Sigh. Just a dream we dreamed one afternoon long ago. (And, yeah, Phil sang Box of Rain in the big ol' fat show the next day.)

6 23 90

The "tether show"

I was up there Waaaaay too far up there. My buddies had to tie a string to my toe to keep me from floating away forever.

Know wut I mean?

21 LP Box, Fall '72

I might have deleted my rhino newsletter email. What is this? HF must be doing backflips in the backcountry with this news.... (or could he be turntable deprived, oh the horror)

fall 72 lps - not GD

7 concerts from Fall '72 Yes tour - I too was a bit confused by Conekid's post

6-23-90

This one has been very high on my wish list. What a great addition to the Dave's Picks series. They just keep getting better. The May-June 90 West Coast run was a nice continuation of the epic Spring 90 tour. From Carson to Cal Expo, Shoreline and through these Eugene dates The Dead were killing it.

The MSG 81-83 box is quite awesome. Great release year all around!

Other music

Double posted so just a couple recent acquisitions.

Miles Davis Bootleg Series Vol. 7 - Scofield sounds great on this. Good stuff.

Pink Floyd Animals 2018 remix - Sounds good. Haven't had a chance to hear the surround mix version yet.

I have the new Garcia Live Halloween '92 set on order. Caught the Dead at Copps Coliseum, The Palace, Soldier Field, Deer Creek and the Compton Terrace shows that were a little over a month after this show. Most of the show's I caught in '92 were from really good to excellent for the era. After Jerry's second health scare in a half-dozen years it seemed he might have bounced back for a brief time.

Man....

....T-Mobile is electric. Thompson with the shut out.
Didn't go to any Knights games last year because of vacations. Not spending a ton etc, etc. Not complaining at all, but.
It felt good to be home and people are awesome.

No doubt

Dave'll be along soon saying how great it is. That Animals 2018 remix is on my shopping list though. It's a long list...

With this new Dave's - it must have been round about this time that Brent popped his clogs. Maybe it will feature more of his songs than usual as a sort of tribute

Lost causes are the only ones worth fighting for...............

Mornin', rockers..................

New DaP reminds me of that old Grateful dead saying, "One man gathers what another man spills".

All due respect, I spill this one...................

These days what's not worth saying gets set to music..................

Rock on,

Doc
Not only is your story worth telling, but it can be told in words so painstakingly eloquent that it becomes a song.....

6-23-90, 1972 fall Yes box

Currently have a opy of the Hans matrix and it sounds good, lets see if they fix a couple of the dropouts and other digi skips apparently on the soundboard. Would I have picked this show? no. wonder if they will include Bill Grahams' speech at the end of the show.
The Fall 72 Yes "Close to the Edge" tour was one of their best. This set has been released on CD a few years ago and sold out instantly. Would love to have a copy, but the cost is prohibitive. This set does not include the show that I attended on 16 September 1972 at the old Curtis Hixon Hall in downtown Tampa, Fl. Torn down now, but fond memories from that historic venue.
The Eagles opened the show, they had just released their first lp and that's all they had to play, when they finished the album, the crowd said "More" and the Eagles treated us to about a half hour of bluegrass jams with a smokey mountain breakdown theme. It was a great opening and Rick Wakeman was seen on the side of the stage clapping and dancing around, he really like the show. Then, Yes came out.
At the time, Yes was one of my top 5 bands and this was the first time I had seen them live. Having just purchased the Close to the Edge lp and having loved the Fragile lp, we could not wait to get there. A swabby buddy and I boarded a Greyhound bus in Orlando that afternoon and after several stops, we arrived at the bus depot in Tampa. We immediately made a bee line to the arena, first time to Curtis Hixon and Tampa itself. We both had tickets and we entered the hall.
Lots of hippies with familiar music playing on the house cans, Dave Mason, Alone/Together. Being hippies we immediately broke out the stash and started rolling joints and passing them around. The crowd took notice and pretty soon everyone around us was rolling and passing, with some in the crowd yelling out, "hey, these guys are turning everyone one". Meet many a cool head that day. The lights went down and out they came. Jon dressed in a flowing multicolored frock, lose and clingy and pastel colors. Chris Squire had his boots on and looked like something out of a science fiction movie. Wakeman has on his golden cape and white boots and Alan White, who had just replaced Bill Buford, was on the kit. Off to stage left was Howe, long hair hanging covering his face with silver embellishes on his trippy outfit.
They opened with the Firebird Suite right into Siberian Khatru, got everyone rocking right off the bat. I've seen all good people was next and done to perfection into Mood for a day. The Clap followed with Howe showing off his guitar chops. Then it began, the opening notes of And You and I, into Heart of the Sunrise into Close to the Edge. Taken aback, the crown and us too were spellbound, then Wakeman starts dropping bombs, dropping them and sending them across the stage in and epic end of the world scenario that when it was over, and the last bomb had hit and exploded and blew up everyone, the crowd erupted into a standing ovation with Rick standing there with this "wow, I did that?" look, taking sheepish bows. After the ovation, they started the hit Roundabout, got us all up again sounding just like the lp into yours is no disgrace. We left, had to take that long bus ride home, which was fun tripping balls and looking out the windows at all the trails and colors. A night I will never forget.

cool tale PT

thanks for sharing that cool concert tale from the old days. not a vinyl guy nowadays but with that story would like to hear shows from that tour. had several Yes LPs back late 70s and spun them a lot but at some point they fell off the edge of my music listening world.

no memory of Bill Graham be safe and be neat speech after end of 6/23. A special set of shows for sure. What a fun weekend it was with both the Feat and the Dead . In '94 punk ass jerks and slobs got the Dead banned at Autzen which was why they played Portland Meadows in '95.

D&C and those tix prices

My buddy just got 4 tixs for Walnut Creek(?), an amphitheater in NC,,,, around the corner for him. Good seats, middle/middle, even with soundboard. 1300 bucks!!!! are you kidding me?!?!?! No way, no how. Like I tell kids at the store, "I got money to piss away and I will not waste it on that".

I was thinking about the 3 Boulder shows,,,, 500 bucks to STAND ON THE FIELD! What's that phase they use,,, oh, yeah, fuck you. A three night stand could be a 5,000 dollar weekend,,,, NO, NO, NO, NO!

Like sporting events, you want the high prices to stop, stop going!

My buddy says he just caught Govt Mule, they played over 2 hours,,,,, 45 bucks!

Also I always wonder how much of that 500 dollar ticket do the boys get. Why do I think the boys get a 100 and ticketmaster gets 400?

Trying to get tixs for Warren's Christmas Jam,,,, should know by days end.

Next Dave's should sound great,,, my in stock copy sounds very good.

Sorry about the ticket rant. (not really)

PT-Yes

For Mr. Barnum (who probably knows) and anyone else interested, there was a 2-cd set of one complete '72 show released at the same time as the cd box set. I don't see it on Amazon, could it be out of print already??
*Edit-Wrong, it was the complete setlist, 1 or more songs from various shows in the box. Memory Issues!!

Dave's #44 looks intriguing, I'm excited to see and hear the seaside chat on Tuesday.

I don't really chime in on sports, but for the record, I'm Orioles, Ravens, Capitals and Terrapins. Never too much to get excited about. Oh, and Liverpool Reds also.

early concerts

Great story PT! Mention of the Eagles reminded me of a concert at Bowdoin College back in the day. Bob and I drove down to Brunswick, Maine to see Leslie West & Mountain on October 1, 1971... big fans of Cream, Felix Pappalardi had moved on to play bass with Leslie. Don't recall the exact location but it was not big arena. There was no opening band advertised but after we got there, it was announced that a brand new band would open, total unknowns, no music out yet, it was the Eagles opening for Mountain. Found the date on Mountain's tour history but nowhere in the Eagles archives. They had just decided their name reputedly after a mescaline session in the desert following their time with Linda Ronstadt. We were about 25-30 feet from the stage, recall we thought: these guys are pretty good. Then Mountain came on so freakin' loud, blew the lid off the place. This new at the time friend and I had just started running our college's 5 watt radio station and went on to many concerts, including Watkins Glen. Lost him to horrible ALS about fifteen years ago, RIP old bud.

Cheers to Bob, DMCVT

And to Dave N. who convinced me to go to my first concert, Lynyrd Skynyrd, at Ebbet's Field (small club downtown Denver). Had heard them on the radio as their first album had come out. Monumental show with all of the first and most of their upcoming Second Helping too, and a 25 minute Freebird to top things off. I'm sure I've told this story with Ronnie swilling Jack out of the bottle between songs and setting the wet bottle down on the baby grand every time.
Thanks Dave N., RIP. And cheers to all!
Saw the well established Eagles (original lineup) at Red Rocks the next year I think.

first concerts

My first concerts were in 1968

Cream
Grateful Dead
Credence Clearwater Revival
Steppin Wolf
Sly and the Famly Stone......Sly was so Wasted but was still GREAT

After all is said and done....

....Taping The Grateful Dead 1965-1995. A book I just discovered on Amazon. Looks cool so I bought one!

6/23/90 and Dennis! Both YES!

Good to "hear your voice", Dennis!

Last year I put in my first straight-through listen to the two Spring '90 boxes, then started listening to Summer 1990 shows that were well-regarded. My notes for 6/23 say that I LOVED it, and enjoyed it even more than a good number of shows from the Spring boxes. For those who need more like DaP40, the 7/16 show is just as good as either from that set, in my opinion. I think folks are going to really enjoy this DaP! :)

Be kind, rewind . . .

Dennis, aka Mr. Subtlety, sez...

vote with your wallet.

I will buy reasonably priced GD music. But will not drop big bux on D&C, esp. at the Gorge. My experience there in 2019 says "aw HELL no" to going back there. Getting in was horrific.

Besides, all due respect to Bobby and pals...D&C is not the GD

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