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A sealed, unlabeled box sat undisturbed for decades on a shelf in the Grateful Dead’s San Rafael tape vault on Front Street, its contents an enduring mystery, even to those few with access to the vault. All David Lemieux knew about that box when he became the Dead’s archivist was that it contained tapes belonging to Bear—Owsley Stanley, the Dead’s first soundman and architect of the Wall of Sound. Even in the Dead Heads’ Holy of Holies, the taped-up box was tantalizing. But this was Bear’s personal property, and so he didn’t touch the box out of an abiding respect for the elder luminary of sound. Bear’s archive of Sonic Journal recordings had been kept safe for him for years within the Grateful Dead’s vault—over 1,300 reels of tape stored in heavy-duty cartons like old banana boxes. At any time, David could have popped the tops and explored them to his archivist heart's content. But they were off-limits without the nod from Bear. - Starfinder Stanley, Hawk, and Pete Bell, Owsley Stanley Foundation

With a wink and a nod from Bear, we've peeled back those banana boxes to find some of the oldest and rarest of all recordings of the Dead including the double dose of shows that make up DAVE’S PICKS VOLUME 43. The two virtually complete performances from San Francisco 11/2/69, Live At Family Dog At The Great Highway, and from Dallas 12/26/69, McFarlin Auditorium, are complementary in their clarity and consistency thanks to Bear himself, and in their ability to foreshadow where the Dead were headed in the years to come. If the two killer 20-minute+ "Dark Stars" don't get ya, how about the Pigpen-centric sets featuring "Midnight Hour," "Next Time You See Me," "Big Boss Man," "Good Lovin'," and the once-lost-now-found complete rendition of "Dancing In The Streets," or the first full acoustic set ever performed? And we're certain you'll be fascinated to uncover the "Mystery Of Bear's Banana Boxes" as told by Starfinder Stanley, Hawk, and Pete Bell in the liners.

Limited to 25,000 numbered copies, DAVE’S PICKS VOLUME 43 was recorded by Owlsey "Bear" Stanley and has been mastered to HDCD specs by Jeffrey Norman at Mockingbird Mastering. Grab a copy while you can.

*2 per order. Very limited quantity available.

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August 6, 2022 - 4:17pm

#1141

Vguy72

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My Dave's status changed today....

....went from out for delivery to Shipment Received, Package Acceptance Pending
Henderson, NV, United States as of July 30th. (Seems Doc fired up the DeLorean because we're going back in time). Seems to be a UPS to USPS transfer delay. Fingers still crossed!
Luckily, I was born with a roadrunner speed metabolism. 6'4" 190 lbs. I can thank my moms side of the family for that. But yeah. Fast Food convenience in the 80's sparked the fire.
Hey Charlie3. I think your wife does care about your speaker placement and just doesn't make it a big deal because she respects you. That's my wife at least.
August 6, 2022 - 4:17pm

#1142

Charlie3

Joined:
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AJS

Thanks for the suggestion. Always interested to see what other people are listening on and how they like it.
August 6, 2022 - 3:32pm

#1143

nitecat

Joined:
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TC

I'm really digging hearing TC's organ frills on this cd!
August 6, 2022 - 2:51pm

#1144

Angry Jack Straw

Joined:
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Charlie

I had the same problem with my Onkyo multi disc CD player. The laser is going bad. Check out Emotiva. Yes, a bit pricy but I have been very happy.

Overweight Americans. A combination of diet, large portions, and no exercise. The solution - clothes that stretch. Much easier than lifestyle changes.
August 6, 2022 - 2:16pm

#1145

Charlie3

Joined:
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Speaker Placement

Spot on Icecrmcnkd, speaker placement matters and I am going to choose the right moment to let my wife know that I'm not the only one who thinks so. Much to the annoyance of my wife, speaker placement has dictated the arrangement of some living room furniture. Standard two channel placement, about 12 feet apart on either side of the living room window, and about 12 feet from the sweet spot for listening on the couch. Set up to fill the open front of the house with sound, which means that you can't have a couch a few feet in front of a speaker even if it is a little off to the side, right? I mean, it seems obvious that you need a clear space extending out like a cone from the speaker to really optimize the sound on the far side of the open floor plan. I can't tell you how many times I've explained this to my wife. It almost seems like she doesn't care about sound quality nearly as much as I do.
August 6, 2022 - 1:59pm

#1146

icecrmcnkd

Joined:
October 20, 2015

Speaker placement matters too

I just have Bose 301 bookshelf speakers that aren’t high end, but I have them on Bose speaker stands that are placed on TV stands. This puts the bottom of the speakers 5 ft off the floor, so there is nothing blocking the sound. They can go loud and remain very clear. There is an Onkyo subwoofer on the floor to cover the low end.

I have a separate Onkyo 5.1 surround home theater system with Blu-ray, but don’t use it for playing CD’s because the Bose 301’s with the stereo system sound better than the little Onkyo speakers that are part of the 5.1 system.
I did consider merging the two setups but decided that I wanted to have a Cambridge Audio stereo system.
I used Onkyo tape decks during my tape trading days and never had an issue with them, so stuck with Onkyo when I went digital and was happy with it because it was affordable and sounded pretty good. Onkyo and other brands disappeared during the COVID shutdown (6-disc changers were impossible to find for a while) then reappeared at higher prices. So I decided to upgrade the audio system now, assuming that prices would only keep going up.
I’m glad I did because it sounds very nice.
August 6, 2022 - 12:52pm

#1147

That Mike

Joined:
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Charlie - you are right…

Charlie - you are right about the Eagles perhaps getting it right the first time. Frey & Henley were notorious for being quite particular about the sound of the band, definitely not a “one and done” band in the studio.

Oro - I knew this subject was right in your wheelhouse! Great info, as always. I’ve been meaning to ask you: You purchased a number of (first rate) jazz selections weeks back that had been recommended by the expert panel of Deadnet posters - have you worked your way through them yet, and does anything stand out so far? Anything disappoint?
August 6, 2022 - 12:45pm

#1148

billy the kiddd

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BBQ time

What's on the grill today? Tri Tip! First music selection , Europe 72, that Cumberland is killer. Beer selection , Sierra Nevada Pale Ale. Next up, Louisana Fog, Charliie. Musslewhite. Fun Times. Beautiful day here in the Bay Area.
August 6, 2022 - 12:23pm

#1149

Charlie3

Joined:
September 21, 2015

Replacement Player

I have an Onkyo 6 cd changer also, and it has some issues reading discs. Sometimes I can put the CD back in a different tray and it will read, so it's not the CD. Some CD's it just will not read at all, so I started looking at CD players and was amazed at the jump in prices, double or triple what I paid for the same player a couple years before the pandemic. My solution was just to hook up an old Blu Ray player that was serving no other purpose, and that plays the CD's just fine, and you can still get a basic Blu Ray player for cheap. I am just using the disc player as transport and connecting to my receiver with an HDMI cable and using the DAC in the receiver, so the sound is exactly the same from the CD player or Blu Ray player.

I upgraded my stereo a few years ago and got some nice speakers, and then upgraded the receiver a little later. Not a lot of local opportunities to listen to products in a showroom here, so I had to compare specifications online, ended up working out pretty well to my ears. I have a pair of Klipsch RP 280 floorstanding speakers and a Yamaha RX-A 1060 receiver. The speakers have great bass output down to almost the edge of human hearing, so no subwoofers needed. Saved a bunch picking up the speakers as an open box on ebay, although I could find nothing to indicate it had ever been opened when I received it, and picking up the receiver at the switch to the newer model. I just run everything without any processing, the receiver has a straight mode, with the idea of hearing things as recorded. I get nice clear sound with nice rich bass response even at low volumes, no detectable distortion even at high volume. The speakers are sensitive enough that they require only minimum power, so I really can't get to more than about one third or half volume on the receiver without hitting volumes that are just too high for normal listening. Lots of choices at a lot of budget levels that will produce great sound these days. I have been eyeing a Panasonic player that plays 4k Ultra Blu Rays, Blu Rays, DVDs, all current HDR video formats, audio CD's and a number of hi-res audio formats with a separate audio out HDMI port to connect to a stereo, but it's a little spendy and I can't say I actually need it right now so I'm holding off. For now.

That Mike, I have noticed that I haven't really seen remasters of the Eagles albums, but I always assumed that meant they got it right the first time, 'cause the original CD's sound so good. I always thought the sound on One of These Nights and Hotel California were fantastic, full, rich sound. Still have my vinyl versions of both as well. Waiting for a Big Lebowski Eagles quote from somebody now.
August 6, 2022 - 12:21pm

#1150

Oroborous

Joined:
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So, equipment does matter

Yes, yes it does lol.

Format wars: people are once again conned into a us versus them scenario.
I mean there is nothing that folks haven’t turned into a binary situation, yeeesshhk.
So as a long time audiophile and geek, my 2 cents is they both can sound amazing (analog/Digital) if they’ve been done properly and using the right equipment. How it’s done is more important then which way!

I’ve heard systems of both formats worth hundreds of thousands of dollars. Conclusion, the ones that were done properly sounded amazing, regardless of format. The systems that weren’t amazing, even with big price tags = bad equipment synergy and not doing things properly. I’ve heard modest systems done extremely well that blow away super expensive systems that weren’t done right!

The biggest problem with digital, both now and ever, is conversion! Yes those other variables are very important, but the biggest factor in digital, and why it received most of its negative prejudice, involves conversion.
Much of this negativity started with most/many? of the initial CD releases at the dawn of the format.
Ignorance about how important conversion is (hey it’s just ones and zeros right, NOT!, combined with a race to get product out and beat the competition etc fostered an unfortunate environment, that resonates negative discontent to this day.
By not using the actual masters, and outdated and often improper conversion, the result is a ridiculous amount of CDs that sound horrible!
Add to this that most people use equipment with DAC sets that cost mere pennies to do the most import process in the playback chain, and it’s no wonder so many people don’t like digital.

Fortunately, there have been amazing advances in DACs (both A to D and D to A conversion), digital mastering, digital recording etc, and more importantly, in research and knowledge.
In some cases these advancements are as big as the jump from Standard def to High def video etc.
But outside of our geek circles the vast majority of the public knows (or seems to care) nothing about this. For many the damage has been done psychologically due to the original shortsightedness and idiosyncrasies discussed above.

So it’s refreshing to see someone like Conekid trying to take proper steps to improve his musical experience.
Imho, a DAC can be the biggest little thing you can do. Even an inexpensive Audio Quest Dragonfly with a phone or iPod can often make a good improvement of even the most modest equipment. Of course the Achilles heel of audio electronics is synergy between components and of course ones listening room can be the biggest factor of all. Since you won’t ever know for sure what will play nice with what etc, it can be hard to get the most out of your whole system. So you might have to try different things, but audio nirvana is achievable, and you don’t have to spend a fortune if you do your research and with trial and error you’ll learn what works for you, because that’s the biggest factor of all! All the rest can be important and make a difference, but regardless of hype, price, trends, bottom line, does it sound good to you! You may have cheap garbage, but if you really like how it sounds, that’s what matters!

If your not fully satisfied, try to really analyze what you don’t like, be as specific as possible. Then first research possible issues you can diy: improper use, and acoustic idiosyncrasies you might be able to address. Don’t just run out and buy something!!
Don’t just get swayed by upgrade fever. I have a C40 pre amp that’s probably 40 years old. I can get a new one at cost. I’ve gone round and round, but generally like many features on mine, that a new one won’t have.
So after I realized via my ole buddy BOO469 that all I had was upgrade fever, I’ve stayed with my ole trusty pre.
If you know exactly what you don’t like, and if there’s nothing you can rectify acoustically, or perhaps electricity, then pin point what part of your chain could benefit the most from upgrading.
Then take the time to research, and if possible try out stuff before you just throw money at it.
Like anything else, an educated consumer has a better chance of being satisfied!

Same is true with analog, but different set of equations. Since I put my big chips into a digital system, I’m familiar with overall analog practices, but would not make any specific suggestions due to very limited hands on experience of tge medium. I’d say look closely at your phono preamp type etc,.
Anyway, sorry to ramble, told ya I was a geek!
What ever your rocking, hopefully your able to maximize your ability to PLAY DEAD!

John Perry Barlow

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A sealed, unlabeled box sat undisturbed for decades on a shelf in the Grateful Dead’s San Rafael tape vault on Front Street, its contents an enduring mystery, even to those few with access to the vault. All David Lemieux knew about that box when he became the Dead’s archivist was that it contained tapes belonging to Bear—Owsley Stanley, the Dead’s first soundman and architect of the Wall of Sound. Even in the Dead Heads’ Holy of Holies, the taped-up box was tantalizing. But this was Bear’s personal property, and so he didn’t touch the box out of an abiding respect for the elder luminary of sound. Bear’s archive of Sonic Journal recordings had been kept safe for him for years within the Grateful Dead’s vault—over 1,300 reels of tape stored in heavy-duty cartons like old banana boxes. At any time, David could have popped the tops and explored them to his archivist heart's content. But they were off-limits without the nod from Bear. - Starfinder Stanley, Hawk, and Pete Bell, Owsley Stanley Foundation

With a wink and a nod from Bear, we've peeled back those banana boxes to find some of the oldest and rarest of all recordings of the Dead including the double dose of shows that make up DAVE’S PICKS VOLUME 43. The two virtually complete performances from San Francisco 11/2/69, Live At Family Dog At The Great Highway, and from Dallas 12/26/69, McFarlin Auditorium, are complementary in their clarity and consistency thanks to Bear himself, and in their ability to foreshadow where the Dead were headed in the years to come. If the two killer 20-minute+ "Dark Stars" don't get ya, how about the Pigpen-centric sets featuring "Midnight Hour," "Next Time You See Me," "Big Boss Man," "Good Lovin'," and the once-lost-now-found complete rendition of "Dancing In The Streets," or the first full acoustic set ever performed? And we're certain you'll be fascinated to uncover the "Mystery Of Bear's Banana Boxes" as told by Starfinder Stanley, Hawk, and Pete Bell in the liners.

Limited to 25,000 numbered copies, DAVE’S PICKS VOLUME 43 was recorded by Owlsey "Bear" Stanley and has been mastered to HDCD specs by Jeffrey Norman at Mockingbird Mastering. Grab a copy while you can.

*2 per order. Very limited quantity available.

Billy the Kid-1980 Warfield

Billy,

I have always been a huge proponent of getting this run out.

Must have been a blast, what a lucky guy you are. Do you remember how much your tickets were for those shows?

The history (from what I can recall) on what is in the vault goes back to after The So Many Roads box was released, the next box they wanted to put out was the Warfield/RCMH and per Blair Jackson, the Reels were not available. So they ended that idea. In 2020, Dave L confirmed in one of the Shakedown Streams, the multi track reels were reused for a Brent solo project in 83 (the horror!) and there would never be a multi track box set release of this run, they simply did not have the material.
So, I like the way you are thinking on backup cassettes? Hard to know, would be interesting to have someone confirm if they exist and then release the whole run. 70-80 CDs. I will start saving up now.

Shoot Billy, I had given up on this and now you are giving me some hope.

Returned reels list

1980 - 11 REELS

• 09-27-80 SF CA, 2 x 7” REELS Nagra 1/2trk 7.5ips Acoustic
• 10-04-80 SF CA, 2 x 7” REELS Nagra 1/2trk 7.5ips Acoustic
• 10-06-80 SF CA, 2 x 7” REELS Nagra 1/2trk 7.5ips Acoustic
• 10-09-80 SF CA, 2 x 7” REELS Nagra 1/2trk 7.5ips Acoustic
• 10-10-80 SF CA, 1 x 7” REEL Nagra 1/2trk 7.5ips Acoustic
• 10-11-80 SF CA, 1 x 7” REEL Nagra 1/2trk 7.5ips Acoustic
• 10-13-80 SF CA, 1 x 7” REEL Nagra 1/2trk 7.5ips Acoustic

Cassettes

79. 0/00/80 Studio = 1
80. 1/24/80 Studio = 1
81. 2/00/80 Studio = 1
82. 9/25/80 Warfield = 1
83. 10/9/80 Warfield = 3 [NOTE *LABELED AS 10-7-80*]
84. 10/13/80 Warfield = 3
85. 10/14/80 Warfield = 4
86. *10/31/80 Radio City = 3 *= - 3 CASSETTES MISSING*
87. 5/6/81 Nassau = 1

There’s a ‘Complete’ Budokan?

I have the CD/DVD combo, better check if that is ‘complete’.

Deadvikes. The Warfield box

Deadvikes I'll find out how much those tickets were, my brother just showed me his ticket stubs yestreday. I still have my ticket stubs around here somewhere. I think a Warfield box set is a real possibility by using cassettes, isn't that what they used for the MSG BOX,cassettes? Maybe they they can combine the multi track reels and cassettes and get a complete box set.

10/10/80

I was at the Boston world of wheels, and had my picture taken with Roscoe p. Coltrane. How about that, you dipsticks.

10.10.80....

....I was just discovering girls lol. How about them apples.
Almost time for puck drop. I'm geared up and ready to go!

Closing of winterland

I picked up an opened, but unplayed cow dvd set for $6. I love the part where Jerry says "...and he packs a .45." sweet.

DaP 44

Been on a kick to find the greatest version of The Eleven for a compilation of Phil's phinest work for a fellow bass-playing co-worker who's never checked out the Dead or Phil, so that led to DaP 10 Bonus Disc, and a ripping Eleven, and when that fi ished, next up on the USB was DaP 11. Long-ass Boston commute got me through it quickly and up to my belabored point: I hope the next Dave's, whatever year or era, has a Brokedown Palace. I think the unexpected drop into that out of a wild, wooly, and weird Other One makes it all the more poignant. It's a song that lives in your head for a while, and I find myself whistling it. May be time to dust off Workingman's and American Beauty. The High Time from Workingman's will definitely be on that mix for my buddy. And if any are wondering, 2/28/69 is surprisingly in the lead for The Eleven. Though I'm gonna use the St Stephen and Death Don't Have from DaP 43. That Jerry moan about 7 min into St Stephen as they launch into the jam is just awesome. I rewind it every time. The Eleven on that 11/2/69 show is good, but big flub on the drum break and Phil re-entry, one of my favorite parts of The Eleven so unacceptable for a mix cd.

I probably would be better off not asking, but for those that have it, how is the MSG box? I'm still on the fence on it, especially after packing everything up to move last weekend and slowly unpacking and finding ways to have the collection out, not fun. Don't need a box set that I won't really listen to, though I have enough that fit that category already, even when they contain great stuff like the box last year or PacNW73-74.

10/12 & 13/68 Avalon Ballroom. Release time

It's time for an official release of these 2 incredible shows, put them both out for Dave's Pick #45. What a fantastic way to start out the new subscription year!

Alvarhanso

You can actually lay the MSG Box on top of the PNW Box and not take up too much more shelf space.
If you like the era, then I think that you will enjoy the Box.

Re: icecreamkid

Mix my eras?! Perish the thought!

But seriously, I did actually display the Dead collection by year/era, and have added a little extra space to be able to break up 1978-95 to two different shelves as opposed to the current single mashup. Listen to the River went to the 73-74 shelf, skipping the 72 shelf. 77 is overly packed. 65-70 could use some more stuff...

And was the MSG box really cassette sourced? For all the shows?

Re: Alvarhanso / MSG Box

Yes, they are cassette masters. I have not listened to every show yet.. but I can give some cursory comments.

I decided to go backwards this time, starting with 83. I had this feeling 81 was going to be the best and I like to finish on a good note. I have finished a first listen to 83 and 82 and did take a sneak peek into 81.

81 (from my brief peek) seems to have both the stronger performances and better recordings. 82 in the middle and 83 does seem to lag behind but it still has it's moments. This is the first box where every show is a cassette master. They did a good job cleaning things up as best they can, but you can tell these are not Betty Boards or Multi-Tracks. To it's credit, the 81 show sounds really good (again, partial listen) and like cousins said on the MSG thread, Jerry is blazing hot. 82 is the mid range. 83 seems to have that 83 fuzz. The mix isn't spot on perfect and it has a bit of a kick drum fetish. The organ and Phil are not prominent in the mix either. Still, it sounds better than some of the 83's and Healy did not seem committed to funnel in crowd noise. There are some patches too.. a couple are hard to not notice.

I like it, but I am an equal era opportunity person.

They are certainly testing their model though. The Giants Box had both better performances (in my opinion) and they were multi-tracks. The 10k limited edition sold out very quickly, but lots of people in the New York area were there and surely gobbled up a lot of what was printed. This box is a few years earlier and taps out at 12,500 copies.
They seem to be more reliant on their tent pole construction, with 81 keep the canvas above our heads. It will surely sell out but again, in my humble opinion it's not as strong as the Giants Box, which spans the Brent years into Bruce and Vince.

There are some really strong moments, perhaps Cone Kid said it better using far few words. Not sure if I helped or hurt.. but that's my take so far.

Alvarhanso

Yes, cassettes, then Plangent Process.
3-9-81 sounds better than any copy I’ve previously had, and overall sound quality is good for the whole Box.
There are a few patches, but that is better than not including the song on the release.

The Eleven

You should post your list of best Elevens, I think I like 3/1/69 but i bet there are great ones off the beaten path.

The Eleven....

....yup. I will never, ever turn it down.

A mind well boggled

It's almost too mind boggling to contemplate, which is the best version of "The Eleven". My favourite shows in which it featured were in the first half of 1969, if that's any help. I also like the wild ride of those 1968 versions , when it came out of China Cat. No other rock band on God's earth played like that.

Alvar

If you’re currently searching for the best version of The Eleven, then you’re probably not going to like this MSG release. This box set is inferior in a multitude of ways, not the least of which is the sound quality. I was on the fence because I was dubious of just that. I decided to make the purchase because I own very little from the 81, 82, 83 time period. Well, now I have more than enough. Oddly, my favorite part of the whole release is the lost verse from West LA Fadeaway. Try to live by the golden rule . . .

If you have to own everything that’s released, by all means go purchase it. If not, do yourself a favor and go listen to DaP43 again.

Whatever Wakas Your Jawaka

I didn’t buy the MSG box, just the single show breakout, but I would have to say that if the audio on 3/9/81 is, as some have said, some of the best audio of any show in the box, well, it's good that I didn’t shell out for the whole thing.

It’s weird, isn’t it, that we have shows from the ‘60s, when everybody was tripping their balls off and working with equipment that Fred Flintstone would’ve snickered at, but the shows are in much better audio than any we’ve got from the early ‘80s.

But then again everybody’s definition of “good” audio is going to be different.

Me, I love listening to, say, stuff from the Wall of Sound period where you can hear each musician clearly, even though the vocals are often buried. Seems like Betty Cantor felt the same way, judging by her mixes.

The 3/9/81 show is disappointing to me because I can’t hear Weir’s guitar at all, and the mix is overly dominated by Jerry and Brent at the expense of everything else that’s happening. But the vocals are very prominent, and the band is playing with the energy and focus that NYC audiences always seemed to bring out of them, so most people will really like this I’m sure.

Hey, did anybody get tix for the final (supposedly) Dead & Co tour? I meant to try to get the last show in SF, but wound up having to work (wtf, still, at my age, I gotta work?) yesterday, and couldn’t be online. I’m afraid to even look to see what tickets are going for on the secondary market. Maybe this was just the Universe letting me know I don’t really need to be there.

Wanted to mention that I’ve been checking out some Zappa recently, and to thank everybody who posted recommendations some weeks ago after I brought him up.

Last five:
Zappa: Waka Jawaka
Michael Brecker Band: Live at Fabrik (“New” release of an excellent ‘80s show!)
Roy Hargrove: Earfood
Mingus Big Band: Blues and Politics
Ty Segall: Manipulator

Deadvikes. The Warfield ticket prices 1980

Deadvikes the price of the tickets for the 1980 Warfield shows were $12.50 for floor seats and $10.50 for balcony seats. The Warfield was a small theatre, it only held 2,300 people, there wasn't a bad seat in the house. There was a nice bar upstairs. 3 sets of great music from the best band in the world for $12.50, " last fair deal in the country". Let's hope we get that Warfield box one day.

Dead & Company tickets....

....crazy expensive. Hard pass.
Going to the Golden Knights home opener toknight. Ticket prices for those games have dropped off since the first couple of seasons. I guess the shine is wearing off.

1980, Dead and Co, box blues

I concur, anything from 1980 is ok in my book. It's all good. Dead and Co. hard pass also, really, after what I saw with the wolf bros and Bob, sleep fest. Hopefully, Billy and Mickey can get a band together, Mickey Hart Band was a great band, rhythm devils also very good. Will be interesting what else they will come up with, I can see both of them dieing on stage. Box blues, I had a gut feeling that this was the case ie sound, thanks AJS and CTM for honest reviews. Not a snob, just want the entire experience. Jerry high in the mix is ok too if that's all ya got.

44

6/23/90
Coming 10/18/22

44

Looks to be 6/23/90. It's got a Cumberland.

Artwork looks to be cartoon skeletons dancing in the forest. None bearded, four wearing wigs, four wearing hats to hide their baldness. One sleeping. That's all I have. Back to your regularly scheduled Stranger opener.

44/Dead & Co

A couple of you beat me to the announcement but I am looking forward to DaP 44. I am not familiar with this show but I just checked out the setlist and it looks great. I am really loving the variety of releases. Between all 4 Dave's Picks and the MSG Box we are really being treated to some great shows spanning all eras. Once again, I tip my hat to Dave L and the crew. Absolutely wonderful!

Regarding Dead & Co- I have seen a lot of discussion about ticket prices. Sadly I think that is the norm. Same with Phish and other bands too. It just seems that to get seats close to the stage or with a good view it will simply cost a lot. I am going to go to Starlake and I bought lawn tickets. Thankfully they are still reasonably (for the times) priced. I passed on last years show at Starlake- I had several bad omens on the day of, and I ended up miracling my tickets. I lucked out because Nugs ended up broadcasting the audio from the show for free so I got to hear it all from home.

I am going this year as I am planning on getting together with a bunch of friends. Honestly I have felt that with each passing year, Dead & Co have lost momentum so to speak. I don't fault the boys for going out there and still playing music at all - it is more my sensibilities. However since they are coming to my town one last time I thought why not?
I may even trek down to VA to see an old buddy and catch the show down there.

DaP 44

There is a heaping helping of great comments about this show right here on this site in the Archive, by folks who were there. It sounds like a can’t-miss show, and a great choice for release. Plus, it’s got a lovely long Crazy Fingers! Bliss.

DaP 44....

....where can I find this news?

Vguy

October Bulletin

D&C

Last time I saw them was Nov 2017, $99 GA floor.

An easy skip next summer.

Oct Bulletin....

....ahhh. Thanks Conekid! 👍
My crew and I almost went to that show.
I can never have enough Cumberlands.

DaP44

Hope it has the missing 12-26-69 Cold Rain as filler at the end of CD2.

Yes 21 LP Box

7 shows from 1972.

It’s in the Rhino Newsletter.

Cheaper than Lyceum ‘72 Vinyl.

6/23/90 Autzen!!

First show I saw in the Great Northwest. Little Feat opened both days. Awesome fun weekend back in the days where there were no real worries. Sigh. Just a dream we dreamed one afternoon long ago. (And, yeah, Phil sang Box of Rain in the big ol' fat show the next day.)

6 23 90

The "tether show"

I was up there Waaaaay too far up there. My buddies had to tie a string to my toe to keep me from floating away forever.

Know wut I mean?

21 LP Box, Fall '72

I might have deleted my rhino newsletter email. What is this? HF must be doing backflips in the backcountry with this news.... (or could he be turntable deprived, oh the horror)

fall 72 lps - not GD

7 concerts from Fall '72 Yes tour - I too was a bit confused by Conekid's post

6-23-90

This one has been very high on my wish list. What a great addition to the Dave's Picks series. They just keep getting better. The May-June 90 West Coast run was a nice continuation of the epic Spring 90 tour. From Carson to Cal Expo, Shoreline and through these Eugene dates The Dead were killing it.

The MSG 81-83 box is quite awesome. Great release year all around!

Other music

Double posted so just a couple recent acquisitions.

Miles Davis Bootleg Series Vol. 7 - Scofield sounds great on this. Good stuff.

Pink Floyd Animals 2018 remix - Sounds good. Haven't had a chance to hear the surround mix version yet.

I have the new Garcia Live Halloween '92 set on order. Caught the Dead at Copps Coliseum, The Palace, Soldier Field, Deer Creek and the Compton Terrace shows that were a little over a month after this show. Most of the show's I caught in '92 were from really good to excellent for the era. After Jerry's second health scare in a half-dozen years it seemed he might have bounced back for a brief time.

Man....

....T-Mobile is electric. Thompson with the shut out.
Didn't go to any Knights games last year because of vacations. Not spending a ton etc, etc. Not complaining at all, but.
It felt good to be home and people are awesome.

No doubt

Dave'll be along soon saying how great it is. That Animals 2018 remix is on my shopping list though. It's a long list...

With this new Dave's - it must have been round about this time that Brent popped his clogs. Maybe it will feature more of his songs than usual as a sort of tribute

Lost causes are the only ones worth fighting for...............

Mornin', rockers..................

New DaP reminds me of that old Grateful dead saying, "One man gathers what another man spills".

All due respect, I spill this one...................

These days what's not worth saying gets set to music..................

Rock on,

Doc
Not only is your story worth telling, but it can be told in words so painstakingly eloquent that it becomes a song.....

6-23-90, 1972 fall Yes box

Currently have a opy of the Hans matrix and it sounds good, lets see if they fix a couple of the dropouts and other digi skips apparently on the soundboard. Would I have picked this show? no. wonder if they will include Bill Grahams' speech at the end of the show.
The Fall 72 Yes "Close to the Edge" tour was one of their best. This set has been released on CD a few years ago and sold out instantly. Would love to have a copy, but the cost is prohibitive. This set does not include the show that I attended on 16 September 1972 at the old Curtis Hixon Hall in downtown Tampa, Fl. Torn down now, but fond memories from that historic venue.
The Eagles opened the show, they had just released their first lp and that's all they had to play, when they finished the album, the crowd said "More" and the Eagles treated us to about a half hour of bluegrass jams with a smokey mountain breakdown theme. It was a great opening and Rick Wakeman was seen on the side of the stage clapping and dancing around, he really like the show. Then, Yes came out.
At the time, Yes was one of my top 5 bands and this was the first time I had seen them live. Having just purchased the Close to the Edge lp and having loved the Fragile lp, we could not wait to get there. A swabby buddy and I boarded a Greyhound bus in Orlando that afternoon and after several stops, we arrived at the bus depot in Tampa. We immediately made a bee line to the arena, first time to Curtis Hixon and Tampa itself. We both had tickets and we entered the hall.
Lots of hippies with familiar music playing on the house cans, Dave Mason, Alone/Together. Being hippies we immediately broke out the stash and started rolling joints and passing them around. The crowd took notice and pretty soon everyone around us was rolling and passing, with some in the crowd yelling out, "hey, these guys are turning everyone one". Meet many a cool head that day. The lights went down and out they came. Jon dressed in a flowing multicolored frock, lose and clingy and pastel colors. Chris Squire had his boots on and looked like something out of a science fiction movie. Wakeman has on his golden cape and white boots and Alan White, who had just replaced Bill Buford, was on the kit. Off to stage left was Howe, long hair hanging covering his face with silver embellishes on his trippy outfit.
They opened with the Firebird Suite right into Siberian Khatru, got everyone rocking right off the bat. I've seen all good people was next and done to perfection into Mood for a day. The Clap followed with Howe showing off his guitar chops. Then it began, the opening notes of And You and I, into Heart of the Sunrise into Close to the Edge. Taken aback, the crown and us too were spellbound, then Wakeman starts dropping bombs, dropping them and sending them across the stage in and epic end of the world scenario that when it was over, and the last bomb had hit and exploded and blew up everyone, the crowd erupted into a standing ovation with Rick standing there with this "wow, I did that?" look, taking sheepish bows. After the ovation, they started the hit Roundabout, got us all up again sounding just like the lp into yours is no disgrace. We left, had to take that long bus ride home, which was fun tripping balls and looking out the windows at all the trails and colors. A night I will never forget.

cool tale PT

thanks for sharing that cool concert tale from the old days. not a vinyl guy nowadays but with that story would like to hear shows from that tour. had several Yes LPs back late 70s and spun them a lot but at some point they fell off the edge of my music listening world.

no memory of Bill Graham be safe and be neat speech after end of 6/23. A special set of shows for sure. What a fun weekend it was with both the Feat and the Dead . In '94 punk ass jerks and slobs got the Dead banned at Autzen which was why they played Portland Meadows in '95.

D&C and those tix prices

My buddy just got 4 tixs for Walnut Creek(?), an amphitheater in NC,,,, around the corner for him. Good seats, middle/middle, even with soundboard. 1300 bucks!!!! are you kidding me?!?!?! No way, no how. Like I tell kids at the store, "I got money to piss away and I will not waste it on that".

I was thinking about the 3 Boulder shows,,,, 500 bucks to STAND ON THE FIELD! What's that phase they use,,, oh, yeah, fuck you. A three night stand could be a 5,000 dollar weekend,,,, NO, NO, NO, NO!

Like sporting events, you want the high prices to stop, stop going!

My buddy says he just caught Govt Mule, they played over 2 hours,,,,, 45 bucks!

Also I always wonder how much of that 500 dollar ticket do the boys get. Why do I think the boys get a 100 and ticketmaster gets 400?

Trying to get tixs for Warren's Christmas Jam,,,, should know by days end.

Next Dave's should sound great,,, my in stock copy sounds very good.

Sorry about the ticket rant. (not really)

PT-Yes

For Mr. Barnum (who probably knows) and anyone else interested, there was a 2-cd set of one complete '72 show released at the same time as the cd box set. I don't see it on Amazon, could it be out of print already??
*Edit-Wrong, it was the complete setlist, 1 or more songs from various shows in the box. Memory Issues!!

Dave's #44 looks intriguing, I'm excited to see and hear the seaside chat on Tuesday.

I don't really chime in on sports, but for the record, I'm Orioles, Ravens, Capitals and Terrapins. Never too much to get excited about. Oh, and Liverpool Reds also.

early concerts

Great story PT! Mention of the Eagles reminded me of a concert at Bowdoin College back in the day. Bob and I drove down to Brunswick, Maine to see Leslie West & Mountain on October 1, 1971... big fans of Cream, Felix Pappalardi had moved on to play bass with Leslie. Don't recall the exact location but it was not big arena. There was no opening band advertised but after we got there, it was announced that a brand new band would open, total unknowns, no music out yet, it was the Eagles opening for Mountain. Found the date on Mountain's tour history but nowhere in the Eagles archives. They had just decided their name reputedly after a mescaline session in the desert following their time with Linda Ronstadt. We were about 25-30 feet from the stage, recall we thought: these guys are pretty good. Then Mountain came on so freakin' loud, blew the lid off the place. This new at the time friend and I had just started running our college's 5 watt radio station and went on to many concerts, including Watkins Glen. Lost him to horrible ALS about fifteen years ago, RIP old bud.

Cheers to Bob, DMCVT

And to Dave N. who convinced me to go to my first concert, Lynyrd Skynyrd, at Ebbet's Field (small club downtown Denver). Had heard them on the radio as their first album had come out. Monumental show with all of the first and most of their upcoming Second Helping too, and a 25 minute Freebird to top things off. I'm sure I've told this story with Ronnie swilling Jack out of the bottle between songs and setting the wet bottle down on the baby grand every time.
Thanks Dave N., RIP. And cheers to all!
Saw the well established Eagles (original lineup) at Red Rocks the next year I think.

first concerts

My first concerts were in 1968

Cream
Grateful Dead
Credence Clearwater Revival
Steppin Wolf
Sly and the Famly Stone......Sly was so Wasted but was still GREAT

After all is said and done....

....Taping The Grateful Dead 1965-1995. A book I just discovered on Amazon. Looks cool so I bought one!

6/23/90 and Dennis! Both YES!

Good to "hear your voice", Dennis!

Last year I put in my first straight-through listen to the two Spring '90 boxes, then started listening to Summer 1990 shows that were well-regarded. My notes for 6/23 say that I LOVED it, and enjoyed it even more than a good number of shows from the Spring boxes. For those who need more like DaP40, the 7/16 show is just as good as either from that set, in my opinion. I think folks are going to really enjoy this DaP! :)

Be kind, rewind . . .

Dennis, aka Mr. Subtlety, sez...

vote with your wallet.

I will buy reasonably priced GD music. But will not drop big bux on D&C, esp. at the Gorge. My experience there in 2019 says "aw HELL no" to going back there. Getting in was horrific.

Besides, all due respect to Bobby and pals...D&C is not the GD

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