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    A sealed, unlabeled box sat undisturbed for decades on a shelf in the Grateful Dead’s San Rafael tape vault on Front Street, its contents an enduring mystery, even to those few with access to the vault. All David Lemieux knew about that box when he became the Dead’s archivist was that it contained tapes belonging to Bear—Owsley Stanley, the Dead’s first soundman and architect of the Wall of Sound. Even in the Dead Heads’ Holy of Holies, the taped-up box was tantalizing. But this was Bear’s personal property, and so he didn’t touch the box out of an abiding respect for the elder luminary of sound. Bear’s archive of Sonic Journal recordings had been kept safe for him for years within the Grateful Dead’s vault—over 1,300 reels of tape stored in heavy-duty cartons like old banana boxes. At any time, David could have popped the tops and explored them to his archivist heart's content. But they were off-limits without the nod from Bear. - Starfinder Stanley, Hawk, and Pete Bell, Owsley Stanley Foundation

     

    With a wink and a nod from Bear, we've peeled back those banana boxes to find some of the oldest and rarest of all recordings of the Dead including the double dose of shows that make up DAVE’S PICKS VOLUME 43. The two virtually complete performances from San Francisco 11/2/69, Live At Family Dog At The Great Highway, and from Dallas 12/26/69, McFarlin Auditorium, are complementary in their clarity and consistency thanks to Bear himself, and in their ability to foreshadow where the Dead were headed in the years to come. If the two killer 20-minute+ "Dark Stars" don't get ya, how about the Pigpen-centric sets featuring "Midnight Hour," "Next Time You See Me," "Big Boss Man," "Good Lovin'," and the once-lost-now-found complete rendition of "Dancing In The Streets," or the first full acoustic set ever performed? And we're certain you'll be fascinated to uncover the "Mystery Of Bear's Banana Boxes" as told by Starfinder Stanley, Hawk, and Pete Bell in the liners.

     

    Limited to 25,000 numbered copies, DAVE’S PICKS VOLUME 43 was recorded by Owlsey "Bear" Stanley and has been mastered to HDCD specs by Jeffrey Norman at Mockingbird Mastering. Grab a copy while you can.

     

    *2 per order. Very limited quantity available.

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    A tasty little show

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    He shoots he scores again

    68 nw tour...yeah..

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    Jack - I wouldn’t put $ on the Sabres to win it, but I do believe they are an up and coming team. And I really like that black & red “Dominik Hasek” jersey. As for a Canadian team winning it all…
    Freezes over!
    ;)

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    Releases I would like to see

    I would like to see the whole Garcia 1987 Lunt- Fontanne Theatre run, acoustic and electric released in one box set.. The whole October 1974 Winterland run both audio and video released as a box set. Release the 1968 Grateful Dead tour of the Great Northwest, ( those tapes may be in Owsley's banana boxes). All the acoustic and e!ectric sets from the Fillmore West in 1970,( I'll bet those tapes are in the banana boxes). Single releases, 2/17/79 Oakland, 9/11/81. 7/13/84 Greek. , 10/9/82, 10/10/82, 4/27/85, 4/28/85 Frost. Just a short list, many more I'd like to see released

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    All good brother

    Mike seems to think the Sabres have a good young team this year. Vegas disagrees. The odds makers give them the same chance as the Kraken to win the Stanley Cup. Not that I won’t watch, but I think I’m siding with Vegas on this one. Sorry Mike.

    Colorado has a very strong chance of repeating. Since my Red Wings still suck, I’ll be backing Canadaland. Don’t let me down Mike. It’s been 30 years.

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    I know what you ment.
    I was teasing you ; )
    I ment I didn’t “hate” them as much as you lol.
    I didn’t hate them, but I wasn’t a big fan, just words, no ill intent

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    Oro,

    I use “hate” the same way I say, “I want to kill that guy” when someone cuts me off in traffic. No offense intended in either situation.

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    AJS: hate is a strong word but yeah those jerseys weren’t my favorite. I think I was in the minority but I did really like the return to the classic colors but with the “slug” logo in the aughts I believe? Nothing beats the classic ones though.

    COMPONENTS: are you happy with your sound? Unless your really unhappy with things, the urge to upgrade might just be upgradeitus. Though there have been technological advances, power Amps and speakers, if made well, do not necessarily have to be upgraded.
    Physics is physics, but the current trends often try to employ reimagining the wheel which sometimes fosters noticeable improvement (but usually requires mucho denaros), but more often not.
    A really well built set of speakers, still in good functional condition, especially if you like them, do not have to be upgraded, unless in the sense that you had say more budget consumer grade ones and could afford/wanted to get higher quality ones. I.e., those old cheap beat up entry level ones you got in collage but can now afford a new set of higher end ones. Even then, higher price is NOT a guarantee of higher quality/performance!
    And always consider the laws of diminishing returns, although that can work both ways.
    But as previously mentioned, maintain and keep an eye on speaker age issues (see back a few pages).

    Same with a really well built amplifier.
    Sources and pre amps and I’m guessing many of you use a multichannel “surround” set up for all your AV needs utilizing an AVR or Audio Video receiver, not so much.

    If you can afford it, my opinion is you buy a really good separate Amp and speakers, but perhaps don’t go hog wild with the rest, unless you have the ways and means, but don’t feel obligated.

    Why: physics and obsolescence. No matter how much folks today try to reinvent the wheel, physics is physics and the way most audio works is inherently related to it and thus changes little.
    Sure they’ve made great improvements in class D amplification etc, but my experience is for a high end critical listening system Class D just doesn’t sound as euphonic as well built traditional amp formats (A or A/B).
    Now these are generalizations, as of course there are exceptions in certain circumstances…
    The situation is the boss! And your situation may vary.

    But, it is usually true that your system is only as good as the weakest li n k

    Since sources: Blu-ray, DVD, CD players, streamers etc, and receivers that also switch/pass video, or basically most modern digital gear all become obsolete so fast nowadays, these you might not need/want to drop too much money on since you’ll need to upgrade it sooner than later.
    A common trick I’ve used for my surround system is to either do your HDMI switching via the TV or a dedicated HDMI switcher, not an AVR. Why, if you have good speakers and multichannel separate power amp, you can still use your perhaps outdated, but top quality pre pro or preamp for the audio. How you ask? Most Blu-ray players have 2 HDMI outputs just for this reason: one for video, one for audio. Most Cable and Sat boxes only decode Dolby Digital so you can use the coax digital output to your legacy pre amp (as long as it at least has digital inputs) and get the same signal.
    If your gear is even older, you can use the analog out, but the DAC sets in these boxes, (computers, and most inexpensive equipment) are very cheap and extremely low quality.
    This way you only have to occasionally upgrade the HDMI switcher (or TV) at usually a much lower cost than replacing a whole AVR with its pre amp/processing section, it’s power amp section, and all the other often useless crap they put in them. Most receivers only pass thru the video signal anyway, so to pay to replace the rest just to get the most updated video switching is inefficient and often unnecessary.
    So the idea is to not be stingy about your amp (s) and speakers (your back end) since a good set will usually always play well and sound good with most decent front ends, and will likely last much longer than lesser ones.
    I have some old McIntosh stuff that still kicks ass after decades, and I could sell for more than I payed!
    I almost suffered from upgradeitus recently.
    Since I can get things often at cost, I was interested in upgrading my approximately 30 year old C 40 preamp for a new one. But my ole gear head buddy, electrical engineer, and all around partner in crime BITD BOO469 talked me off the ledge mostly by asking me why. We both ended up realizing that for my 2 channel system, since I already have an expensive separate DAC: why would I pay simply for digital inputs I don’t really need. Would the analog section alone of the new pre be better or worth the cashish, than my old, probably built better purely analog preamp…probably not.
    Also, since my old pre is completely analog, I theoretically could be paying for digital circuitry etc at the expense of the analog circuitry.
    Everything has a build budget so the more stuff they put in a unit, is that much less money left for other things in the unit.
    That’s another reason to consider separates. Separates USUALLY (all gear is not equal!) have better quality components, specifically engineered for only one or few tasks, especially power supplies, which is one of the most important parts of ANY gear! So better quality parts, engineered to do one thing, (versus many things like in a modern AVR) with a beefy power supply, will usually provide better all around performance, enjoyment and longevity than normal consumer grade all in one components. With class D amps it’s all about the PS so shop carefully!

    So no matter what your into, or throw at it, a system with a good back end, sufficient for your type of use/requirements, that you would like to have/enjoy for many years, can be a sound (pun intended) investment. Spending large sums of money on gear that is probably obsolete before you get it home, and has components you don’t need because of redundancy of separates, is not recommended unless you can afford it and are that into having the latest and greatest.

    Pay up now for good back end and it will save you money in the long run. The other stuff is a necessary evil, but be wary of obsolescence! And you can upgrade if/when you need or can afford, and have more to spend if you have good back end that doesn’t need replacing!
    Also, follow the simple free tips we offered back a month or so on here about proper system placement and set up. Often this will give you as much noticeable positive changes, or more, than electronic upgrades.

    GARY: have you a/b tested the HDCD, is the improvement HDCD, or just the new player itself, curious?
    And 80 hertz is a starting point. Play around with your cross over frequency and the slope or roll offs as your specific room will effect bass as much or more than components.
    My 2 channel has no subs as I don’t usually like subs with just stereo although with stand or smaller speakers they can be an improvement if used properly (whole nother long discussion there as most people do not). And my theatre speakers easily go down to at least 30hz (rated conservatively) and sound great in the room their in. So to use a sub normally, I’d have to roll them off a bit which I don’t like. So I only use my diy (old bass playing cab) of 2 15” JBL E140s, crossed over with a Furman crossover, powered by a dedicated Crest amp (approximately 800 watts) for LFE, or low frequency effects only. The JBLs don’t extend as low as I wish, but by adjusting the crossover manually while using I can dial in just the right amount depending on the mix etc. I usually xover around 30-40 hertz as I’m only trying to enhance the lows, not overpower, and my cab gets too midrange and/or overdriven if I run frequency too high. But I’m getting away from the main topic.
    Same with those pile drivers. Your friend is right, different speakers may or may not affect the overall speaker impedance (their usually not exactly 4 or 8 ohms, and can actually vary with conditions), synergy, balance, timbre, and more. Trial and error is unfortunately usually the only way to find out!
    Ok, hopefully I haven’t confused anyone or completely bored.
    But obviously us geeks could go on all day lol.

    Remember, if it’s worth playing, it’s worth playing loud, but loud must be clean to be enjoyed! ; )

    EDIT: don’t skimp on conversion either!
    Digital is not the problem conversion is! So consider a good separate DAC which should also not need to be upgraded so much, or, make sure you buy a pre amp or receiver with a good DAC set!
    You can ridiculously upgrade the sound of your lap top for instance for like 50 bucks for a audio quest dragonfly usb DAC.

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    ....I'm good over here.

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    (The classic 1948 movie) is as close as this landlubber has ever come to a hurrican, (drop the e) as my wife's G-ma used to pronounce it. She was one of those who never evacuated although they were well positioned inland in Jacksonville and never had more than some shingles fly off. I'm sure she was one of those a little rain, a little wind folks. Rokko, Edward G. Robinson's character, was a tough guy until he felt one then scared to death of the thing. I got uneasy even standing next to a choppy sea. It's just so big it scares me. True landlubber.
    I have heard that train roar though as a kid in St. Louis tornados. Fascinated me and my Mom would have to pull me away from the window because I just had to see what could make that much noise.
    Best of luck FLA. Cheers

    Edit: I stand corrected. My wife says G-ma was forced out by flooding from the nearby St. Johns River at least once.

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A sealed, unlabeled box sat undisturbed for decades on a shelf in the Grateful Dead’s San Rafael tape vault on Front Street, its contents an enduring mystery, even to those few with access to the vault. All David Lemieux knew about that box when he became the Dead’s archivist was that it contained tapes belonging to Bear—Owsley Stanley, the Dead’s first soundman and architect of the Wall of Sound. Even in the Dead Heads’ Holy of Holies, the taped-up box was tantalizing. But this was Bear’s personal property, and so he didn’t touch the box out of an abiding respect for the elder luminary of sound. Bear’s archive of Sonic Journal recordings had been kept safe for him for years within the Grateful Dead’s vault—over 1,300 reels of tape stored in heavy-duty cartons like old banana boxes. At any time, David could have popped the tops and explored them to his archivist heart's content. But they were off-limits without the nod from Bear. - Starfinder Stanley, Hawk, and Pete Bell, Owsley Stanley Foundation

 

With a wink and a nod from Bear, we've peeled back those banana boxes to find some of the oldest and rarest of all recordings of the Dead including the double dose of shows that make up DAVE’S PICKS VOLUME 43. The two virtually complete performances from San Francisco 11/2/69, Live At Family Dog At The Great Highway, and from Dallas 12/26/69, McFarlin Auditorium, are complementary in their clarity and consistency thanks to Bear himself, and in their ability to foreshadow where the Dead were headed in the years to come. If the two killer 20-minute+ "Dark Stars" don't get ya, how about the Pigpen-centric sets featuring "Midnight Hour," "Next Time You See Me," "Big Boss Man," "Good Lovin'," and the once-lost-now-found complete rendition of "Dancing In The Streets," or the first full acoustic set ever performed? And we're certain you'll be fascinated to uncover the "Mystery Of Bear's Banana Boxes" as told by Starfinder Stanley, Hawk, and Pete Bell in the liners.

 

Limited to 25,000 numbered copies, DAVE’S PICKS VOLUME 43 was recorded by Owlsey "Bear" Stanley and has been mastered to HDCD specs by Jeffrey Norman at Mockingbird Mastering. Grab a copy while you can.

 

*2 per order. Very limited quantity available.

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Submitted by 1stshow70878 on Fri, 10/14/2022 - 11:13

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Daverock posted about that book Oct. 4 on this thread.
Sounds worth investigating Vguy.
Give us a review when you get it.
Cheers

FirstShow is right, it was DaveRock that mentioned it awhile back. I have a pretty good Dead library now, so was holding off on buying this one (especially because it’s one of the pricier ones) until some folks here declare it to be “The One”. I’m in such a losing streak with lousy purchases lately, in music and in books, that I’m afraid management is going to send me down to the minors to get my game back. I’m hoping this one is a good one. We await your scouting report, VGuy.

Tractors and traffic lights do vex me.

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Submitted by Gratefulhan on Fri, 10/14/2022 - 14:59

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Today is the first day of public sales for the Dead & Co final tour. I took a look at the prices and I stand corrected...they are nus and beyond standard inflation. Now I should preface this- during the presale and even now shows that have lawn seats available are reasonable, sort of. I got lawn tickets to Starlake and they were $51 a piece. Deer Creek for example was similar. However for some venues GA lawn are way too high; I think the Gorge is $180. As for seats, some of these pieces are just bonkers. I saw prices at $300, $400, $500, and even higher depending on venue and seat location. At least one venue, the pit was $700 per ticket. None of these were verified resales either, just the going rate. I have a feeling that these prices will drop some and eventually all of these shows will sell out or close to it. I am fine paying the minimum for one show to roam the lawn area. That will be plenty for me.

OK enough of that.

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Submitted by Gratefulhan on Fri, 10/14/2022 - 15:16

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Recently I came across a seller on eBay that had good prices on individual shows from the Spring 1990 and The Other One box sets. I passed on those boxes (and the Fillmore West 69) when they came out. I have been fairly successful piecing together The Other One box, but the first box, Spring 1990 has been more difficult to put together. Secondary prices , eBay and otherwise, are high for the complete box sets and sometimes even worse for individual shows. Anyway this seller has made me offers on top of his already good prices for these individual shows. I decided to take the plunge and get the Spring 1990 shows I was missing.

I really do feel that 1989-1990 was a great ear for the band. I have been listening to the all of the Spring 1990 shows again and they are just great. However I really do like the summer 1990 shows that I have listened to as well. So I am really looking for the #44.

I am holding off on getting the MSG box because I really want to put the time in listening to these 1990 shows again. I hope I don't miss out on the 17CD set but if I do, I will just go with the digital download. If it wasn't for these deals on these Spring 1990 shows that I came across, I think I would have just went ahead and got the MSG box. I will continue to check out everyone's reviews on the MSG box. From what I have seen so far, it seems to be a hit.

It doesn’t sound as good up close as it does FOB.

This was my last D&C show, GA floor, pretty sure it was $99.
Compare set 1 (near stage) to set 2 (in the sweet spot between the big speaker systems above the stage sides).
For set 2 I was next to a single stand with 2 separate mic setups and recorders.
Sounds a lot better in person back there than up front, and it’s also noticeable on the video.

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Piece those back together.

The most I ever paid for a GD show was $35 for Soldier Field shows but they always had an opening band.

91 Roger McGuinn
92 Steve Miller
93 Sting
94 Traffic
95 The Band

FTW was $200 each night after prices were changed, but I got mine for less through mail order.

Dmcvt - so cool that you were able to see Mountain and in particular, at Bowdoin. What an awesome campus and town. I’ve always felt that Mountain was a very underrated band. Mississippi Queen gets all the hype, but Nantucket Sleighride is one of my all-time favorite songs.

Unfortunately I wasn’t able to get tickets for that particular show because I was six.

Yup. The absurd ticket prices for Dead and Company were brought up last tour. Melatonin is much cheaper and will put you to sleep just as fast.

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Submitted by Deadheadbrewer on Fri, 10/14/2022 - 16:42

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Well said. :)

p.s. AJS, I just about spit out my beer reading your comment about Melatonin! :) I felt kind of bad paying $120/night to stand with 40,000 Heads in a football stadium back in 2017, so certainly am not paying for the latest farewell tour.

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Submitted by adedhed68 on Fri, 10/14/2022 - 17:14

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I’m gonna pass on D&C. I think these prices are just ridiculous and this band is not that good

Edit: i’m kind of bummed that DP 44 is not a 4 disc release this year. I really thought that this release was going to be a ‘91 show. I see a ‘91 boxset in our future though. ‘91 Boston Garden would hit the spot.

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Submitted by Deadheadbrewer on Fri, 10/14/2022 - 19:08

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p.p.s. Maybe someone already mentioned this, but there is an interview with the bootleg cassette art guy (Mark A. Rodriguez) on AllMusic; just opened that page to see what was new and saw a lynk! to the interview there. Some of you already mentioned that artist and his new book.

aahhh . . . If I spell "LYNX" correctly, then it won't let me post . . .

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Submitted by LedDed on Fri, 10/14/2022 - 20:36

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I finally got a low number on a box. I'm not going down to the basement to verify, but it was like 2173 or something. I'll take it.

Been listening to these shows for days... been walking around the house just letting some discs play over and over, really feeling this one in my bones. Got such a nice, gentle vibe. Exactly what I need during these dark times.

I consistently stick up for Dead & Co. and will again. If this is the end, so be it. No it isn't Jer and Phil but they've been out more or less for a long time now. I can't stomach John Mayer's solo career but this works, as a guitar freak, for me.

I'm seeing the Folsom shows in Boulder as usual. You cannot beat a beautiful night in Boulder... times I spent walking barefoot across the campus grass on acid, tossing a frisbee back and forth with a teenage girl, watching out for the raccoons... best times of my life.

Can't wait for this send off. If you get it you do, if you don't, well, sorry.

Be well everyone. Except election denying repugnicans.

\m/

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Submitted by Crow Told Me on Fri, 10/14/2022 - 20:45

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... not from Bob Weir & Co. $750 a ticket? WTF?

Pretty stoked about DaP 44. The July 1990 shows on DaP were a real ear-opener for me, much better than I expected and thoroughly enjoyable. Expect this one to be equally good: set list looks good, it seems to have a great rep. Can't wait!

My first concert was the Faces. I used to love those guys! Still do, really. I was in junior high. My friend's mom drove us and dropped us off, his sister picked us up. I think tickets were like $3.50. Didn't see the Dead till '79, with lots of '70s metal (Sabbath, Aerosmith, Zep) and punk (Clash, Ramones, Patti, X and Black Flag and all the LA bands) in between. I don't think any of those shows cost more than maybe $7.50. Those were the days.

Seriously, Bob? WTF?

1stshow - that's right, cheers. I read about it in a British mag called "Shindig!"-and very well reviewed it was, too. Good magazine.
It's been a while since I read a book on The Dead, but I'm reminded now of one that ThatMike mentioned last year, which reviewed October shows from all eras. That looked attractive to me, but I never got round to getting it. Now's the month, though.
Incredible run of historic Dead shows upon us, from 10/19/71 through to 12/31/72. The surrounding years were great too-but that period of time really shines for all eternity.
My first shows were
T.Rex - May 1972
David Bowie December 1972
Hawkwind February 1973
Black Sabbath March 1973
Genesis April(I think) 1973
Things picked up speed after that - The Stones in September 1973.

Of the bands other people saw early - Chuck seeing Cream in 1968 stands out for me.

With ticket prices, for me, if a band is worth seeing - it's worth seeing. Having said that - no one's worth going hungry for. Not at my time of life, anyway.

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Submitted by PT Barnum on Sat, 10/15/2022 - 06:40

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really? this is how the remaining members want to be remembered. Going to get tickets to the xmas jam in Asheville, this year, Phil is back. I was originally upset that Phil left the remaining members, now, not so much. Bobby, Billy and Mickey, this will be a black spot on your legacy. Let's hope that as you rake in these last millions, they will tide you over until you go to be with Jerry, let those that have retired to the great stage in the sky be your judges. I will not be attending this money grab.

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Submitted by PT Barnum on Sat, 10/15/2022 - 06:46

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159.00 behind the stage, 198.00 floor, 225.00 plus balcony and back seats, didn't price front seats.

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Submitted by JeffSmith on Sat, 10/15/2022 - 07:54

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Yep, the close-in seats for D&CO in Boulder are non-starters for mere mortals like myself. However, you can get GA tix in the rear-side sections for 90 bucks (that's total including all add-on fees & tax plus you get a seat). I've got GA seats for all 3 nights. Last year I did the same thing, and you'd be surprised how clean the sound is – two huge, tall speaker towers loomed over that end of the field. The center stage screen and 2 big screens beside it dazzled. Plenty of seating, and you could sit different places each night if you want. Unless you have GA Pit tix and get there in time to elbow your way to the front of the stage, you're not gonna have an intimate experience with the band anyway, and us old guys' bladders are guaranteed to get antsy. Even if you have reserved seats in the close-in reserved sections where I've sat up until last year for mucho mas dinero, you're still gonna be watching the show on the big screens. Just a thought.

I doubt anybody on this thread confuses D&Co with the GD, but lots of us who never saw the Grateful Dead, are happy to chase the echoes. And there's nothing like a gathering of the tribe in the Rockies. Looks like next year D&Co are hanging it up. One last chance I don't plan to miss. It'll be interestung to see how the torch gets carried forward by Mayer, Burbridge, Chimenti and all the other players who've been inspired by the GOGD. Onward.

There was an element of that when I saw them in 1981. It wouldn't have been like that if I had seen them consistently from the early/mid 70s on into the 80's I don't think. Then I would have witnessed them change gradually. But as it stood, the only music I had heard by The Dead in 1981 was the officially released albums - Live Dead, Anthem and American Beauty being the pick of the crop. They had obviously changed tack a bit by the time I got to see them. Still good at the time - but they didn't play the types of music that drew me to them.

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Submitted by That Mike on Sat, 10/15/2022 - 11:44

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And Some With A Fountain Pen & TicketBastard
These prices I’m reading for tix are crazy. I cannot justify that kind of money for a show, even prime seats.

It was pouring rain, cold wind this morning, and I drove by all these souls bundled up against the elements at some theatre, and I see a sign saying “Demi Lovato - One Night”, so it clicked. I know the name, but couldn’t pick her or her music out of a police lineup, but gotta hand it to the hardcore fans lined up at 9am ish in that shite weather. I was curious how much the tickets were - tix start at $70 (about $55USD) for this singer. Not sure if that is a rip off or not!?

As for the crazy nutty prices quoted here for the D&Co, I just cannot imagine you can pay that kind of money and ever think “Great deal!” Even THE best shows you have ever seen were made all that sweeter because you got $15 tickets, can you believe it, 3rd row, etc etc. You pay crazy money, and invariably, you are going to be a little disappointed, maybe I should have got the furnace fixed for that money, or I could have seen a few other club shows for that money etc.
I had respect for Petty and Pearl Jam trying years back to neuter gangsters like Ticketbastard from ripping off the fans, but even they eventually acquiesced.
Ole Woody knew what he was taking about.

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Submitted by JimInMD on Sat, 10/15/2022 - 20:45

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Phil is just killin' it at the Capitol Theatre tonight. Good and fresh. Get some.

Three guitarists on fire and it's got Harp. Holy crap. He's 80 what?

And Happy 75th Bobby

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Submitted by direwulf on Sun, 10/16/2022 - 03:50

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...now may I show you the egress for a $1 more. The Dead and Co. Prices are verified resale tickets and surge pricing. Band has nothing to do with those prices. Scalpers are trying to maximize people's panic and FOMO so they buy all the tix they can fix high prices and see how many can't handle the stress. Wait closer til show time the prices will come down and there will be seats at door and there will be people with extras. Don't buy now make the scalpers regret their decisions and adjust the prices, it will happen. Tix for turf at fenway I got on Fanpresale for 220$ each, I don't think that too much at all considering a gallon of milk where I live can be upwards of $9.

Please don’t misconstrue my comments. The slowness of play by D&C has been widely discussed. I am glad that people are enjoying the music and “keeping the spirit alive” if you will. The music is just not for me. What I do begrudge are the outrageous ticket prices.

Sir James is correct. Phil always brings it. Catch a show at the Capitol Theater if you can at a fraction of the cost. DSO and JRAD also put on great shows. I caught both Phil and Bob’s bands this year.

I liken it to the three little bears. Phil likes to speed things up. Bob likes to slow them down. Garcia had it just right.

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Submitted by Vguy72 on Sun, 10/16/2022 - 10:40

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....if you collected tapes back in the day like I did, this book is a goldmine. Holy flashback Batman. The first half is page after page of homemade tape covers, and there are a LOT! Even spotted a couple that I have.
Second half is interviews with some of the well-known tapers.
Book is laid out nicely.
Cool stuff.
(I still have my tapes)

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Submitted by daverock on Sun, 10/16/2022 - 10:51

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I doubt we'd have even heard of Phil and Bob if they hadn't had the good fortune to hook up with Jerry Garcia. Both of their styles, from what I can hear and understand, developed as a response to Garcia's playing. Take him out of the picture, and what have you got?

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Submitted by JimInMD on Sun, 10/16/2022 - 10:54

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I am very glad they did this project and if they say it is time to close the curtains, I respect that.

The ticket price thing is unfortunate, I think Dennis' take had the most clarity. If the prices are too high, don't go, if it's worth it go.. have a blast.

Gotta respect Led and Jeff's take, that's the spirit.

The single thing that frustrated me with all this was, I believe, a ticketmaster decision. It seemed to me they pushed substandard tickets at a high price on the presale, then when the regular sale came to be.. low and behold there were many better seats for sale at the same price I more than once paid for what turned out to be shit seats. A greedy move that gouged and crapped all over the 'preferred' fanbase.

I would gladly to go a D&C show if it came easy and pieces fell into place. I avoided the ticket process this time, I had my fun and if it doesn't come again I am content. Less hassle and less money is attractive too, so if it comes easy I will see you there if not, see you on the other side.

With all that I wish all of you a great weekend and a great transition into fall. Darkness falls and seasons change. Gonna hit my last show of the new box and get some shit done. As you were, happy Sunday..

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Submitted by proudfoot on Sun, 10/16/2022 - 11:42

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"As the mayor of Deadhead City
In Bigfoot County of the Land of 'Far Out, Man'..."

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Submitted by Vguy72 on Sun, 10/16/2022 - 12:26

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....all my homies hate the Astros.
I was rooting for Seattle, but the teams I root for usually lose. I'm bad juju.
Knights off to a good start and the Baby Sharks are winless so far.
I'll take it.
Current listening? The new King Gizzard and the Lizard Wizard release.
Impressive stuff. Y'all should check them out. They come with the highest Vguy recommendation, and I'll never steer you wrong.
Music is the best.

That's not a political statement

Right now I am asking the musical question, "What about Gainesville?"

Shakedown Street into Franklin's!!!

YES!!!!!

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Submitted by Gratefulhan on Sun, 10/16/2022 - 19:20

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HI All- the other day I quoted some ticket prices and I was slightly wrong. Some of the prices I quoted were for verified resale. Others were not as they were listed as 'Official Platinum" but yet they prices were still sky high. I did not view things thoroughly enough on the first go around due having some good vino during my attempt to look into those prices in more detail. With that being the case there are still many venues that have GA lawn tickets that reasonable. Lawn is always my preference these days for most shows partly due to cost. However I like to be able to move around so having that ability is also something I want. Given that lawn is my go to even when ticket prices are not stratospheric in cost.

Like others have said, it is very likely tickets will be available at a much lower cost closer to the date of the shows. I am happy with one more show, a local one at that. Outside of this Dead & Co final tour, I am not really inclined to see anyone else except for Phish. Phish continues to play at a high level and I am still hoping for a late fall/early winter mini tour leading up to NYE at MSG. If not, I will check them out next summer.

p.s Happy Birthday Bobby!

....and wait until the show starts. Hang out like vultures and make sure your phone is charged.
The resellers will start shedding hard.
Pick that shit up.
If you don't mind missing the first song that is. My friend told me this. And he was correct.
It's not really considered "beating" the system. Let's just call it "bending rules."
Rock on and go see live music.
p.s. don't watch sports.

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Submitted by billy the kiddd on Sun, 10/16/2022 - 21:15

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The cheapest I paid for a ticket was $1.01, to see Jerry Garcia at The Concord Pavillion on 9/7/81. Queen Ida and her Zydeco Band opened the show. What a deal! The show was a benefit for a local radio station, and
that was the price for tickets

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Submitted by Nick1234 on Mon, 10/17/2022 - 02:40

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The last show I attended was Jackson Browne at the Albert Hall, 5 or so years ago. l paid £60 for two AAA tickets at a charity auction, i was the only bidder. We didn't go backstage after the show, what would I do there at my age? He was very good, really enjoyable. The hotel down the road cost us £150 for the night, but there you go. The first show I ever attended cost 50 pence (about 75 cents in those days maybe), Genesis at our local club in Autumn 1972. It was always 50 pence unless the band for the night had a single in the charts when the promoter put the price up a bit. He was a decent bloke,must have lost money many weeks, there was a show every Sunday, but seemed to be in it for the music and to see us all enjoy ourselves.

The least expensive gigs I went to were free festivals in the mid 1970's. With hitching there would have been no money spent on transport, no money spent on accomodation - I didn't even have a tent at first. The main band I can remember seeing was a spacey group called Here and Now, and Nik Turner who had recently left Hawkwind. The fag end of the hippie era.

The most expensive gig would have been The Stones in 2003-black market ticket, trains, hotel - I even had a meal before that one. The Stones was the better deal, for me.
So if Dead and Co mean as much to someone as The Stones meant to me, I'd say it is worth it, even if it is expensive.

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Submitted by Angry Jack Straw on Mon, 10/17/2022 - 08:42

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Agreed about Garcia, but that is not unique to this band. Where would The Doors be without Morrison? U2 without Bono? Countless others.

I recall hearing an interview yeas ago ( I can't recall the source so I could be mistaken) with Garcia contemplating where the band members would be without him.

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Submitted by daverock on Mon, 10/17/2022 - 10:34

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AJS - I may have got this wrong - but I'm not sure if either Phil or Bob actually played bass or guitar before they met Jerry. They both literally learned to play in counterpoint with him -which may account for their unusual styles. I have never heard anybody who played either bass or guitar like they did. Which was part of what made the band so unique, of course.

It's curious when some bands lose their guiding light - and go on to be successful in their own right. Off the top of my head, I would say Pink Floyd, Fleetwood Mac and New Order - who developed out of Joy Division - were like that.
It doesn't happen with most - as you say - The Doors weren't very interesting without Jim Morrison, and I can't imagine The Jimi Hendrix Experience would have sold many tickets without Jimi Hendrix.

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Submitted by Gratefulhan on Mon, 10/17/2022 - 17:06

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VGuy- I have seen them before. Only once about 15+ years ago. They were very enjoyable. They are combo of what I can best describe as a Zappa-Prog rock jam band. They are all talented musicians and they are band I would like to see again for sure. I am not familiar with their originals, but the tend to throw in some covers. When I saw them, the played a nice version of Led Zeppelin's "Fool In the Rain". I think they are worth checking out.

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Submitted by proudfoot on Mon, 10/17/2022 - 19:18

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Last 5

David Bowie the man who sold the world
Kraftwerk trans Europe Express
David Bowie low
Kraftwerk various
Motorhead kiss of death

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Submitted by nappyrags on Mon, 10/17/2022 - 20:52

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Great for Leslie West & Mountain to be mentioned here...one of the few times I was able to see them they were third on the bill at the Olympic Auditorium in LA, 1970...Second billed was Johnny Winter (with Edgar) and headlining was Frank Zappa and The Hot Rats Band...fried to the gills on Orange Sunshine...this little hippy dude was walking through the crowd dosing anyone who wanted to...he had a long fringe suede vest with "Sunshine" embroidered on the back...he passed by us twice....By the time the opener (a band called "Wolfgang" that Graham was promoting) finished we were definitely on...Mountain came out and tore it up...West was such a big man it looked to our fried eyes that he had a violin strapped on, not a guitar....

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Submitted by JimInMD on Mon, 10/17/2022 - 23:03

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Of all the great 'large' guitarists, there was Garcia and West. The rest were thin.

Love Mountain

Enjoying some Scofield now on Slipknot! Amazing stuff.

Hey Vguy this is a band you want to see. They rock! I've seen them about 30 times and am never disappointed. They are a true jam band with most songs in the 12 to 20 minute range. Their collaborative and improvisational skills are awesome. Very talented. I've seen many many shows/bands over the years and they rank right up there with the Dead in how much fun and enjoyment I've had at their shows.

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