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  • daverock
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    To me there is very little that connects seeing the band live to sitting at home listening to a live recording. To recap I saw them 5 times in 1981 and 1990. Loved all 5 shows, and they didn't play any songs that I didn't like. Some songs, that I hadn't been so keen on -Row Jimmy comes to mind - made much more sense in real time than it did on live recordings, or on Wake of the Flood. Drums and Space in 1990 blew my head off. It doesn't do that now, unfortunately. More interesting than mind blowing
    On 10/30/90 I thought it was great when they broke into "Lovelight" - an actual song off "Live Dead". Sadly, I don't have this response now - in fact I have no interest whatsoever in hearing a Bob sung Lovelight now. Or a show from 1990, for that matter. But that doesn't mean for a second that it wasn't great at the time, being there.

    Like everyone on here, I guess, there are some songs I have heard way to often, simply because they are played at shows which are brilliant overall. To skip them feels a bit like skipping a dull chapter in a novel - you want to, but it makes you feel a bit guilty if you do.

  • JimInMD
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    Can one train a dog to poop on the floor (or sofa) each morning at exactly 3am?

    I thought it was just me that got borderline PTSD when a show ended with Throwing Stones>NFA encore: US Blues. Miracle and Mexicali are on my list with many of the late era new songs mentioned.

    Fortunately, there are so many great songs they either wrote or covered that really made it difficult to have a bad time at a Dead show. There was almost always something special. So time your bathroom breaks with skip tunes, stay away from the brown acid and let the good times roll.

    Before shows some of the folks I would travel with would voice out what they thought we were going to hear mixed with dream setlists and the occasional song that they best not play that night or else (in the spirit of that Sideways quote, "I am NOT drinking any f***king Merlot"). We are a spirited bunch aren't we?

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    Sorry for your mishap vguy

    But I cant stop laughing.

    Dog poop at 3 am

    Isnt that a simon and garfunkel album title?

    One search later:
    Wednesday Morning 3 a.m. is the album title

    Your mishap happened at...wednesday morning 3 a.m.

    Too funny

  • Angry Jack Straw
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    Lovelight. Not my favorite, but I’ll take it over the typical throwing stones>not fade to end the show if for nothing more than a change of pace. I never really got into the 30 minute versions either.

    I can tolerate LLR. I’ll admit I have a soft spot because my inaugural show ended the first set with that right into a China>Rider. It grew on me over the years and I much prefer the latter day, more amped up versions. The early iterations sound like something Engelbert Humperdinck should be singing.

    Definitely skippable are most, OK all, of Vince. Corrina, Victim, Easy Answers, Eternity. . . You see the pattern here.

    I actually liked a lot of Brent songs when I saw them live. Unfortunately, I don’t think they’ve aged well. In fairness I probably haven’t either.

    Passenger and Miracle are two older songs I never enjoyed.

    As others have said, 12/30/1986 was an awesome show. Easily in the top five of all the shows I ever saw. Yes, they did have speakers outside for those who were not fortunate enough to get tickets. I thought it was a West Coast thing, but evidently not.

  • Vguy72
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    I stepped in dog poop this morning at 3 AM....

    ....while I was getting a glass of water.
    My bad. I forgot to let them out before I went to bed.
    Rain is welcome in Cali, but what the southwest REALLY needs is snowpack on the western slopes of the Colorado rockies. For several winters in a row.

  • JimInMD
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    Re: I also apply a Slide Filter whenever necessary

    That and Charlie's description of responsible cat ownership cracked me up.

    Thanks for that.

    I, too, reserve the right to Slide Filter whenever necessary.

    I generally do not have problem with the cat, and living in a 120 year old rodent-free Victorian, I have a few things to be thankful for. I keep the litter fresh and clean and they keep the mice (and river rats) away.

    I'm really in the mood for 1/2/1970. What a great and often overlooked release.

  • Gary Farseer
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    So weekend was Friday watching 12/30/86. Saturday was listening to MaryE's first show which I enjoyed immensely, and then later in the evening I watched 12/31/85 which was a national tv broadcast that started at midnight Oakland time and 2am here locally when it was on. I still really enjoy that video, wish they would release that whole show video, "I'd buy that for a dollar." Then Sunday the 1st, I watched "Ticket to New Years," which I also attended that 4 day run. Then Monday, I watched most of "The Closing of Winterland." So lots of Dead watching, and I enjoyed all of it. I also went thru a couple of shows from the MSG box, nice!

    G

  • Gary Farseer
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    Happy New Year again!!!

    BTK yall be safe now ya hear. This storm is a beast. I know rain is needed but not that much that quick. All in California and the desert areas prepare. It cost so little to have a manual can opener and $20 of canned goods to make it a few days.

    Any way, have to go back and read last couple of days to catch up, but here are some quick answers.

    DeadVikes thanks for the warm return. It is appreciated greatly. Unfortunately, my own health which is pretty good, is clashing with folks health which is not so good. Won't get into details, but I refer to them as my progenitors, as the love has always been cold as ice. Yet now I have to eat up my own time watching after them (although with a lot of others help also). I will try to post more often.

    Question of why 12/30/86 and 7/16/88 are important to me. AJS had the correct answer, because of the guest drummers during drumz. But it was the whom, in who were the guests. On 12/30/86 it was Hamza El-Din (&Jose Lorenzo) and on 7/16/88 it was Baba Olatunji. Both such huge influences bringing depth to Billy and Mickey's poly-rythmic structures during drumz.

    So roughly here was weekend schedule. On 12/30/22 I watched 12/30/86 on the me-tube. Very nice video (probably band created) and soundboard synced up. I had watched once previously but this time it really hit me. That one show, along with 12/27/86 represents one of those closures and new beginnings. Both of those shows have the more heroin induced jams of the late Keith/Donna era shows. I did not get into 12/28/86 as we were shut-out. Maybe someone here, like BTK, can remember when they put the speakers outside for any stragglers and the Shakedown Street crew, which was small. The 12/31/86 sounds like more of the changing sound coming in 1987. Intense upgrades in computers and technology, less in the slow methodical heroin induced jam (I love both). But this time watching 12/30/86 was way more meaningful, to really see and focus on Hamza, and tie him back to Egypt and the tar and talking drum. I do love from "From Egypt with Love" and Ollin Arageed, that rhythm is intense and right up my alley as a former want-to-be drummer. So for me to realize 25 years later that I saw both Hamza and Baba creates a warm feeling all over. I do recommend if you have not seen the 12/30/86 on me tube it is worth a watch, although I think in is labeled 12/31/86, which it is not.

    BTK - thanks for the kind words of friendship and comradery, they do mean much.

    I have several days worth of reading to catch up. I just wanted to make sure I remember to finish previous thoughts, as that is getting harder and harder to do.

    Ok, will post and read to edit. I know I need an editor, kind of like young reporters today whose story telling/reporting is not good.

    G

  • Charlie3
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    Top Reasons to Have a Cat

    You don’t have enough urine or fecal material in your house and you want more.

    You really dig randomly finding cat puke all over the house in a variety of unusual and unexpected places.

    You don’t like to sleep through the night and want something to wake you up every couple of hours, but you don’t want to have a baby.

    You feel like it would be cool to have a greater potential exposure to Toxoplasma gondii, because it sounds like such an interesting parasite, and Toxoplasmosis sounds so fascinating. (See e.g., the wolves of Yellowstone and toxoplasmosis, google it, you’ll find the articles and it is interesting).

    You enjoy finding the back half of mice outside your door on a regular basis. They always eat the head, never the back end, go figure.

    You enjoy watching them slowly destroy a wooden post on your stairway railing by using it as a scratching post. It’s a long-term project for them, but you can see the steady progress, just another way to measure the passage of time.

    Your wife and children left you out of the decision and you’re not quite enough of a cold-hearted bastard to get rid of them. The cats that is, not the family members, none of them have peed all over the house.

    We have two cats. They are indoors and outdoors cats, and in theory they are using the great outdoors as a latrine, but that is not always the case, especially if it is too far below freezing outside. One cat peed on the living room couch on 4th of July a couple of years ago late in the night. Everyone else was asleep so I took the opportunity to take the giant couch outside for disposal. It was a large couch, and I am not large, but I picked up that cat pee contaminated couch and got it down the stairs and through the front door, barely, and outside without waking anyone up. Wife woke up in the morning like, wtf, where’d the couch go? The couch did not come back inside. Now I try to keep the cats in a travel carrier or outside on 4th of July to avoid a repeat.

    Edit: Don't get me wrong, I like the cats, but they don't make it easy sometimes.

  • Cousins Of The…
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    Songs I skip: Corrina, Easy Answers, Looks Like Rain(though sometimes I do fast fwd to Jerry's solo), Easy To Love You.
    I also apply a Slide Filter whenever necessary.

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What ever happened to Clay V?

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First in the door

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Always nice to skate on a fresh sheet of ice!

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for 44... now where's that announcement for the '60s Bay Area Box?

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What, no seaside chat?

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TBH, I was a little underwhelmed with the previous pick - outside of the Dark Stars and the acoustic stuff, I don't know that it will get much play around these parts. I know it is sacrilege, but late 69/early 70 isn't really my cup of coffee - I often find it too muddy. Also, there have already been 4 other releases from this period... but, for those who love it, rock on!

Summer of 90 is much more up my Brent-loving alley. Granted, we did just get the Deer Creek release from this period, but I am excited for this show with West L.A., Cumberland, Crazy Fingers, and a Playin>UJB>Playin sammie in the showcase spot. AND, we do get that missing 69 Cold Rain and Snow from Vol. 43 - (I hope they tuned their guitars... :)

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Excited for the pick, but these random fillers from different eras are absurd. Looks like there's room on disc 3 for the Help>Slip>Franklins from the next day. That would have been more appropriate.

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Listener whiplash :-). Looking forward to this Oregon ‘90 after the 69 shows.

Seaside chat is located at the Size Chart banner..ok I can dig that.

OTIS..looks like you won’t escape the ‘69 as Dave is tucking in Cold rain and snow from DAP 43 at the end.

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Maybe they think those that enjoyed Dave's 43 will be tempted to buy this for the filler - to complete the show it was dropped from on that set. But it's a big ask if you ain't so keen on 1990.

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....need to log in again and says invalid login/password. Arrrrrgh.
Edit. Nevermind. Joeymc on the MSG page says you need to create a separate account. So stupid.
Be our guest, be our guest. Put our service to the test.

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I'm looking forward to this pick. I've never heard the show but have heard tell of the recording and the show itself over the years. I always focused on spring 1990 and am just hearing these summer shows. This looks great.

Awesome year on Dave's Picks in my book.

I have really enjoyed 43 with the two 69 shows and Bear recordings. Killer in my book. Acoustic set too.

Spring 77 and Winterland 74 on top of that.

The sound quality on this year's picks has been awesome in my opinion. They all have really sweet sound. Great shows as well.

Thanks Dave!!

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If I heard him right Dave inferred that next year's box will not be an anniversary oriented one. Anniversary stuff separate. He may clarify that with the next chat. Vguy, others have said you have to have separate log in credentials now for store? They need to fix that if it's so. Forgot that Lowell George had produced Shakedown. No wonder I like it so much. 6-23-90 is a DAT master. I guess that's good. On the 3-9-81 did anyone else hear the speed was a tiny bit fast early in the show? I know Plangent and Jeffrey Norman take care of that but Jerry and Bob sounded a little chipmunky for the first two songs. Seems to correct later in the set. Maybe they were just younger sounding that day, or I'm still tripping. Hard to tell but I was sure that was a tic-tac and not a microdot.
Cheers

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A good choice indeed. However I thought DL2 would visit the 80's, I guess the 5 from MSG would've been a bit of 80's overkill.

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Is this part II of Lumpy Gravy??

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I agree, Alan T: It's just weird to drop into a "Cold Rain"from '69 in the midst of 1990 show, I guess a lot of folks are into completeness for the sake of completeness, but I would vote for adding bonus tracks from the same tour (or at least the same era, with the same personnel) when there's a little extra room on the seedy.

But that's a minor gripe about a release I'm very much looking forward to. Have to give props to Dave for DaP 40, which really opened my ears to how good the first half of '90 was. I've got a 45 minute drive ahead of me this afternoon, and I'm looking forward to streaming the listening party.

Last five:
John Coltrane: Blue Train
GOGD: DaP 40
Ray Charles: The Genius Of
Aretha: I've Never Loved a Man ...
ABB: Hittin' the Note

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....this is right in my wheelhouse and just under a month from my first show (Buffalo, July 16th).

I know I've listened to this one in the past but am still looking forward to a pristine official copy in my grubby hands.
I'll take a 15 minute Eyes 2nd set opener any day.

Hope All are Faring Well
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....but if memory serves me correctly, I got the flu or something.
My crew took my ticket and left me behind :(

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things are weirder than normally over there. That glass is cool. cost seem up since last I checked a few items, just a buck or two but still.

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Is the seaside chat not on the website? Got by email but can’t find it

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I can’t find seaside chat even though I clicked through from email?

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Possibly bit out of step ( something I'm not normally known for), but apparently Robert Gordon died earlier today. For those who don't know, Hhe pre-dated The Stray Cats in plugging into the rockabilly source back in 1977 - and the two live albums he cut with Danny Gatton "The Humbler" and "The Real Humbler" are two of the best rock n' roll albums - from any era - that I have ever heard.

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My favorite show of the year, with the Sunday show a close second. Check out the jam in 'Cassidy', and really a hundred other things. Every song is excellent, many are superb. Been wanting this show for years, having to make do with various cassettes and CD-Rs. Here it is, can't wait, perfect show!

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Right below the CD pic. Pale lettering between Product details and Track list.
Combined it with listening parties.
Cheers and enjoy

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The Chat and listener party are Located on the Size Chart button…must be a prankster thing

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This may be my favorite Dave's Pick yet. Awesome show. Epic. A prime example of a top tier show as good as any from any era. Everybodies engaged playing at the absolute top of their game. Even if you tend to avoid the Brent era you should do yourself a favor and give this one a chance. You'll thank me later.

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Please Dave, no more glasses!

Bring back the axe?

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Anyone else get the 3rd man record vault of the primus 7 inch cuts?

Anyone have a digital copy of them?

It's a pretty box. Nice artwork, nice colored vinyl.

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....I see Grateful Shred is playing Seattle on Oct 22nd and 23rd. Heard good things about them.
Dennis. Primus sucks.

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Looking forward to this one. Will Dave receive a recording credit for use of his recording? I am starting to see a trend, the last release of the year for the last three years have been shows Dave attended. Interesting to learn as well that he has no list when he lays out his releases. I did see the Seaside chat on the tube, but I don't see it on this website. Where is it?

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Did Dave get that ultra cool low key hoodie?

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I agree - that’s a very wearable hoodie, Dave L. Unlike most of the other “apparel” for sale on the site, which looks like Lululemon dosed, that hoodie looks pretty fine!
I did find my black “Dave’s Picks” waffle shirt the other day, great for these cooler days, but a hoodie would be sweet.
Spill Dave!

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The sun is in the middle because this was shortly after the summer solstice.

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Hey Joey & Vguy, Maybe that's an ET embryo that the UFO on Dave's 23 (also in Eugene) left behind that has now germinated and is calling the tune.

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As I told Billj yesterday the chat has been grouped with the other things in a line of faint print under the CD pic. It does not have its own box, have to click on it. Not looking at it now but between the Product details and the Track list.
Is the hoodie out of his Dave's Picks line? Couldn't make out the logo.
Cheers and good luck navigating the store.

Not wearable in my book. A hoodie MUST have a zip front for heat/cooling adjustments!

It appeared to have a dead emblem on it. But hell, you're Dave! Could be a one off someone made for him.

Listening party on 44 sounded like a very nice recording.

It'll bring a smile to this face.

Dennis - It could be a one-off hoodie, possible. I’m with you for having a zipper usually, but I’d make an exception for this. Maybe the store can actually make some swag folks will actually wear. Remember those “Astrology” (!!) shirts??? I want friends to take the Dead serious as the great musicians they were/are, not some Age of Aquarius InaGoddaVida collective, but then they produce these shirts!!??

The manager at the art supply store I used to go for supplies was a nice young guy, had all the obligatory hipster tattoos and the super sized earring inset that looked like a small dinner plate. Anyway, we’d invariably chat music, and he was absolutely a Tiger Beat fanboy for Primus. He’d rave about them, and I’d generally just kind of go quiet, not wanting to tell him Primus blows. I think he eventually got the hint, because one time I was in there, he gave me the usual “Why Primus is better than the Beatles or Stones”, then after a long pause where I changed the subject, said “But I get not every one likes them”.
I just smiled, as some things are better not said.

As an aside, this #44 looks like a winner. I’ve always loved “Crazy Fingers”, a somewhat rare treat, so I’m betting this one is a good one.

I'm amazed at all the different types of tee shirts and merchandise you can buy on here.
I notice you can get something described as a "Grateful Dead Puff Recycled Tee Shirt". You'd have to have been a tough cookie to wear something described like that where I grew up.

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I hear you on what you wear ( then). When in high school ( I’m not telling 😄) we used to beat up kids who wore yellow shirts. Now? I’m old most guys here are in their 20’s to 40’s. My job requires a uniform but every couple of months I have to let my freak flag fly Dashikis tie die etc. Trip is the youngsters all say the same thing “ I wish I could get away with that. Did I mention I’m a union man ( helps when management asks me when they changed the uniform “ oh you didn’t get the memo ? Wavy Gravy is our new ceo😄

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What have they done now? I’m signed in ( I’m making this post get gawd’s sake) but every time I try to buy the glass I go to some new page that tells me I don’t exist what have they done now

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Snafu - VGuy mentioned he had a problem the other day, too. Here is what he wrote, and it seemed to work:
“Trying To Order The Glass....
....need to log in again and says invalid login/password. Arrrrrgh.
Edit. Nevermind. Joeymc on the MSG page says you need to create a separate account. So stupid.
Be our guest, be our guest. Put our service to the test.”
Good luck.

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Bill Walton, noted Deadhead and NBA hall of famer, was seated right behind the plate during game one of the Phillies-Padres series, wearing full Padres gear. He's from La Jolla, ya know.

Also, they played Saint of Circumstance AND Fire on the Mountain between innings.

Just felt that like shouldn't go unnoticed. As you were.

PS: Man, that West LA from the listening party is sleee-zee. Almost demonic. You can almost smell the crack smoke in the hallway.

VGuy - I was considering sending up a quasi Bat Signal in the form of your avatar to alert you Snafu - nay, all of Gotham City - needed your help in dealing with the Dead Merchandiser!!!

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