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    A sealed, unlabeled box sat undisturbed for decades on a shelf in the Grateful Dead’s San Rafael tape vault on Front Street, its contents an enduring mystery, even to those few with access to the vault. All David Lemieux knew about that box when he became the Dead’s archivist was that it contained tapes belonging to Bear—Owsley Stanley, the Dead’s first soundman and architect of the Wall of Sound. Even in the Dead Heads’ Holy of Holies, the taped-up box was tantalizing. But this was Bear’s personal property, and so he didn’t touch the box out of an abiding respect for the elder luminary of sound. Bear’s archive of Sonic Journal recordings had been kept safe for him for years within the Grateful Dead’s vault—over 1,300 reels of tape stored in heavy-duty cartons like old banana boxes. At any time, David could have popped the tops and explored them to his archivist heart's content. But they were off-limits without the nod from Bear. - Starfinder Stanley, Hawk, and Pete Bell, Owsley Stanley Foundation

     

    With a wink and a nod from Bear, we've peeled back those banana boxes to find some of the oldest and rarest of all recordings of the Dead including the double dose of shows that make up DAVE’S PICKS VOLUME 43. The two virtually complete performances from San Francisco 11/2/69, Live At Family Dog At The Great Highway, and from Dallas 12/26/69, McFarlin Auditorium, are complementary in their clarity and consistency thanks to Bear himself, and in their ability to foreshadow where the Dead were headed in the years to come. If the two killer 20-minute+ "Dark Stars" don't get ya, how about the Pigpen-centric sets featuring "Midnight Hour," "Next Time You See Me," "Big Boss Man," "Good Lovin'," and the once-lost-now-found complete rendition of "Dancing In The Streets," or the first full acoustic set ever performed? And we're certain you'll be fascinated to uncover the "Mystery Of Bear's Banana Boxes" as told by Starfinder Stanley, Hawk, and Pete Bell in the liners.

     

    Limited to 25,000 numbered copies, DAVE’S PICKS VOLUME 43 was recorded by Owlsey "Bear" Stanley and has been mastered to HDCD specs by Jeffrey Norman at Mockingbird Mastering. Grab a copy while you can.

     

    *2 per order. Very limited quantity available.

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  • #631
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    Daverock, of course I too went straight to the Red Rocks shows upon first listen before hearing the rest of the box. After getting to all of them I was calling 7-3-78 St. Paul the hidden gem. That must have been a peak period for them. The energy is there. Almost swaggering I'd say, like they need a pack of cigarettes rolled into the sleeve of their t-shirt.
    Cheers

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    I also played Omaha 7/5/77 after reading Oroboros's post. The first set, last night-excellent - Jerry's guitar sounds as cool and clear as the driven snow. Own up time....for the last couple of years, when I have played shows from this 78 box, I have played the first one 7/1, missed out the next two and gone on to the two Red Rocks shows. I have no idea what put me off Omaha in the past - makes me wonder what other unidentified jewels I have here.

    Exile - I was unfairly dismissive of Black and Blue, too. It's a very entertaining album - I didn't like funk or disco in the 70's, but that's no excuse now. I wasn't keen at all when it came out-Spring 1976, I believe. With Mick Taylor gone, "Fool To Cry" issued as a single and punk waiting in the wings, The Stones, along with most of the great bands from 1965-1975 suddenly seemed a bit passe. I bought the first Ramones album in Summer 1976-that was the sound of the times for me. 40 odd years later... Black and Blue is still on my playlist, and I no longer even have that Ramones album.
    I saw The Stones at Knebworth in 76 - and I have the programme here-nothing to do with music, but it's curious how The Stones and their fans were presented. In the article on The Stones, it states, "Young boys eagerly flocked the Mary Quant make up department in Harrods trendy Way-In shop on Saturday afternoon.The disco pumped out "Hey Negrita" as the boys applied eye liner and lipstick to gaunt virginal faces." I don't think so. I was 19 then, and the article seemed to show how out of touch The Stones had become at that time, with my generation.
    They also apparently had a food stand where you could buy a portion of chicken curry for 0.55p. This in the middle of the hottest heat wave for decades.

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    That Estimated > Eyes is outstanding. That Eyes of the World has always been a go to post hiatus Eyes.. it's outstanding. I've always been big on that box. 7/1 never circulated and is outstanding, the first Red Rocks shows did circulate and are well.. not to overuse the term but outstanding. A great moment in GD history perfectly preserved for us to enjoy. Aptly timed as we are entering a holiday weekend and the box centers around the Fourth of July.

    Outstanding

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    Been looking at that July 1978 box when picking some dead to listen to lately, but keep getting sidetracked by a different choice, but Oroboros' post about the virtues of the July 5, 1978 Omaha show prompted me to give it a listen today. Currently on Wharf Rat. I always liked that show, and the recording is excellent. I imagine it was exponentially cooler to be there in person at the time. The artwork on that one is probably about my favorite from that box as well, and I liked all the art from that box, a lot.

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    Hey guys, I lurk more than anything but I saw some Stones talk and I agree with Dave Rock. It's Only Rock 'n Roll is an underrated album. The thing with it in my opinion, is that the songs are either dynamite (like the opening song fictional drummer) or B side material. The other problem is a couple of the songs suffer from Led Zeppelin IV / Dark Side of the Moon syndrome, meaning they've been played on the radio so much that they've lost a little luster (title track and Ain't Too Proud to Beg). I think these songs are pretty high quality once you're sitting back giving them your full attention (In their order of appearance on the LP).

    If You Can't Rock Me
    Ain't Too Proud to Beg
    It's Only Rock 'n Roll (But I Like It)
    Till the Next Goodbye
    Time Waits for No One

    Dance Little Sister

    The first 5 songs are all of side one and are solid. It's Only Rock 'n Roll has "Start Me Up" hit quality. Time Waits For No One makes us realize that Mick Taylor should have had at least one or two tracks on every album to stretch out like he does on this one and Can't You Hear Me Knockin' from Sticky Fingers. Missed opportunity. The thing with these songs is you may think of hearing Dance Little Sister on the radio and thought, meh, average song. Until you really listen to everything going on with the guitars. Keith Richards bass chops on If You Can't Rock Me are cool. Till the Next Time is on par in my mind with Wild Horses and Angie, but again, missed opportunity in that Taylor could have been used to play an electric solo or something, similar to Wild Horses. The remaining songs on the record don't do it for me. Luxury is borderline, but leans too far into funk. Fingerprint File is way too far into funk and not that great a song for me. If You Really Want to Be My Friend and Short and Curlies should have been put in the can for later. Between Goats Head Soup and It's Only Rock 'n Roll, I think there's a great album in there.

    Black and Blue had some great songs with Hand of Fate and Crazy Mama. I think Hand of Fate was as good as 70s rockers got, with very few exceptions.

    Not much to say that hasn't been said about Dave's 43. I would never complain for this type of release.

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    you guys are so cool. Love this forum

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    ...It's like buying a book from the bookstore and then realizing the pages are all put together out of order, and there are pages from another book mixed in. And when you go back and say, hey, bookseller, they put the pages of the book in the wrong order, and there are pages from another book mixed in. And he says, don't worry, you can rip them all out and put the book back together in whatever order you want.

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    The other day I ordered a burger with fries. Instead, they brought me fries with a burger. So I complained. But dude, the burger guy said, you can eat them in whatever order you want. Mmfff, I said, eating my fries and burger.

    Received my shipping notice today for the TTB’s “I am the Moon” vinyl set. Because today is the release date. What a concept! You release the record on the release date! Genius! I just want to note that, when you bought the 4-lp set, they promised to provide a digital download of each separate album as each of the four parts of this project was released. And then they actually did! On the actual release dates! And the files actually worked! Amazing! And now they shipped vinyl on the release date. It’s so weird.

    A lot of people don't realize what's really going on. They view life as a bunch of unconnected incidents and things. They don't realize that there's this, like, lattice of coincidence that lays on top of everything. Like the other other day I’m eating a plate of shrimp and listening to Electric on the Eel for the first time in years. And so were you.

    Last five:

    JGB: Electric on the Eel (discs 1 and 6)
    Derek & the Dominos: Layla
    Bill Evans: The Hilversum Concert
    Christian McBride: At the Village Vanguard
    Stones: El Mocambo

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    All is well in the middle of the country and I couldn't agree more with this esteemed group's statements on current and past musical topics.

    Phil and Friends has consistently displayed such exploratory and jamtasic shows which makes them a 'must see.' I recently attended another Wilco concert prior to that show and the inclusion of Jeff Tweedy and Nels Cline in the friends in Chicago reflect excellent choices. Nels has sat in with P & F on multiple occasions and Wilco has covered the Dead on a variety of occasions including Bobby sitting in for Dark Star, Ripple, etc. I regretted that Phil got Covid and couldn't headline with String Cheese Incident's recent Red Rocks shows, but Billy Strings was a welcome replacement and we in the audience had a wonderful time. Still I long to see Phil play again and hope to have another chance soon. The SCI 'dead set' with Billy was a delight and I saw Billy rev up with the Cheese as they took on many of our favorite Dead tunes that evening. And I am quite relieved that Phil has fully recovered from the Covid and is back playing live.

    Besides attending the Wilco and SCI shows, I have also loved recent concerts with the Infamous Stringdusters, Joe Russo's Almost Dead, the Jayhawks, Railroad Earth, Yonder Mountain, Mollie Tuttle, Sierra Hull, and several years ago was quite taken by previously mentioned Larkin Poe (opened for Elvis Costello). Such terrific music touring again and I'm very grateful to be able to make the journey (pun intended).

    However, given this thread on DP 43, to get back on how this Dave's Pick is stellar and echo others sentiments how the primal Dead are such an unmitigated treat. This is a special release and deserving of frequent rotation.

    And should any of you be inspired by the break-neck speed and turn on a dime of the early Grateful Dead, please consider attending a Joe Russo's Almost Dead show. Yes, Oro (my brother from another mother) those two Vail JRAD shows, along with the JRAD show at Red Rocks were stellar. These guys have the stamina and pace of the early Grateful Dead but along with the Dead's entire song catalogue. Simply remarkable jamming, truly exploratory, and much more in the vein of P & F as opposed to the D & C. JRAD is energy personified and each band member is truly infused with amazing grasp of these wonderful songs along with a jazz mentality and interplay.

    To add to the dialogue regarding 'rain stories' from concerts (discussed earlier in this thread), I got one to share. I recall back in 1978 when the Grateful Dead played at the Omaha Civic Auditorium in July. The venue was about half full (4,000?) but everyone was chomping at the bit as we had not seen the Dead in Nebraska since early in the early 70's. I took my Nak 550 into the venue and there was no hassle getting in the deck in this time, but remember this was before the days of 'taper's sections.'

    Out in the hallway, the Hell's Angels wandered about sporting full colors and big grins. They may have been transporting 'party favors' and decided to take in a show, or perhaps road tripping with the band? Although I did not see them at the subsequent Red Rocks shows. Anyway, I headed down to the floor to set up my Nak in front of the sound board. When I was getting everything ready, I saw this guy with a great rig setting up. Luckily this kind stranger (I have since discovered he was famous taper Bob Wagner) let me patch out of the back of his Sony, which was terrific as he had a tall (8 ft?) stand to get will above the crowd noise. We were about 15 to 20 feet in FOB. So Garcia treats us to a blistering Sugaree opener, the kind that drove the crowd wild. His leads mounted into a wave that crests, recedes, regroups, and roars back with such power and delight that adds to the synergistic effect causing our frenzied response as his rolling/soaring guitar work lift and subside within the band.

    Then BIODTL, TLEO, and then Bob took the spotlight with a "Look's Like Rain." About half way through the son, I suddenly noticed something shimmering in the air between the band and me. I thought "what a fantastic light show! Or have I shifted into 5th gear just a little earlier than I scheduled?" I staggered towards that visual disturbance in front of me to investigate. The crowd was dancing madly in the middle of the floor as a waterfall played over them. The waterfall was about 25 feet in circumference. I put my hand into the water...hand out, no rain, hand in, pouring rain.. I jumped into the waterfall drenching us all in the middle of the Civic auditorium. Then stepped out and there was none. I shook my head and then dove back into the deluge and danced through LLR and next came Direworlf and a delightful All Over Now, with Keith and Donna simply killing it. Candyman, Lazy >Supplication and Bobby informed "we are going to take a short break" (ha, it was never a short break!)

    I staggered back to reload a new tape (remember cassettes?) and I looked for some validation of my experience. I asked my friends if I was not in fact 'soaking wet' as I patted my wet t-shirt? And they grinned knowingly and affirmed that , yes, in fact I was 'all wet."

    Then this unique show continued (nice indoor water feature, boys!) with a killer second set, complete with a transportive Estimated>Eyes>Wharf Rat>Truckin'>Iko Iko > Around and Around.

    As I left the auditorium I noticed the water standing on the ground outside, a summer storm? Hey was this just a case of a leaking roof? Or did the Dead actually conjure up the forces of nature as they were so prone to do?

    Next to travel to their/my maiden Red Rocks shows. Would Phil bombs create reverse gravity and make us float up into the air? What do they have up their collective sleeves for us next (ah-oooo, Werewolves of London, ah-ooo)?

    Those were the daze.....

    Zen saying "teachers open the door, you must enter by yourself."

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    Jim - You bring up a good point that Phil is well into his 80s, yet is still bringing it with such new creations as Philco. I think he personifies that well worn axiom “Find something you love to do and you’ll never have to work a day in your life.”

    DaveRock - I personally always loved the subtle guitar work on “Fingerprint File” from IORR. Mick Taylor should never have left the Stones, they were a much better band with him (with due respect to Ronnie). Last week, I re-watched their “bootleg” release from the Marquee Club in 1971 - now THAT was THE best Stones lineup.

    Blues For Allah - what an excellent choice. Some really jazzy passages throughout that entire release.

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A sealed, unlabeled box sat undisturbed for decades on a shelf in the Grateful Dead’s San Rafael tape vault on Front Street, its contents an enduring mystery, even to those few with access to the vault. All David Lemieux knew about that box when he became the Dead’s archivist was that it contained tapes belonging to Bear—Owsley Stanley, the Dead’s first soundman and architect of the Wall of Sound. Even in the Dead Heads’ Holy of Holies, the taped-up box was tantalizing. But this was Bear’s personal property, and so he didn’t touch the box out of an abiding respect for the elder luminary of sound. Bear’s archive of Sonic Journal recordings had been kept safe for him for years within the Grateful Dead’s vault—over 1,300 reels of tape stored in heavy-duty cartons like old banana boxes. At any time, David could have popped the tops and explored them to his archivist heart's content. But they were off-limits without the nod from Bear. - Starfinder Stanley, Hawk, and Pete Bell, Owsley Stanley Foundation

 

With a wink and a nod from Bear, we've peeled back those banana boxes to find some of the oldest and rarest of all recordings of the Dead including the double dose of shows that make up DAVE’S PICKS VOLUME 43. The two virtually complete performances from San Francisco 11/2/69, Live At Family Dog At The Great Highway, and from Dallas 12/26/69, McFarlin Auditorium, are complementary in their clarity and consistency thanks to Bear himself, and in their ability to foreshadow where the Dead were headed in the years to come. If the two killer 20-minute+ "Dark Stars" don't get ya, how about the Pigpen-centric sets featuring "Midnight Hour," "Next Time You See Me," "Big Boss Man," "Good Lovin'," and the once-lost-now-found complete rendition of "Dancing In The Streets," or the first full acoustic set ever performed? And we're certain you'll be fascinated to uncover the "Mystery Of Bear's Banana Boxes" as told by Starfinder Stanley, Hawk, and Pete Bell in the liners.

 

Limited to 25,000 numbered copies, DAVE’S PICKS VOLUME 43 was recorded by Owlsey "Bear" Stanley and has been mastered to HDCD specs by Jeffrey Norman at Mockingbird Mastering. Grab a copy while you can.

 

*2 per order. Very limited quantity available.

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Submitted by Cousins Of The… on Tue, 10/18/2022 - 13:12

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Great rock and roll singer, always with a killer band(L!nk Wray, Chris Spedding, Danny Gatton)

Had to add "!" in Mr. Wray's first name...Dead.net barked.

Last 5:

Robert Gordon Are You Gonna' Be the One
Weyes Blood Titanic Rising
Beach Boys Live 1968 (8 soundboards in 1 box set)
GD 3-10-81 (Bob MIA in the mix - almost sounds like JGB at times)
Cactus Blossoms One Day

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Submitted by alvarhanso on Tue, 10/18/2022 - 18:28

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On UM, I've seen them about a dozen times over the last 20 years, mainly when they've been on a co-bill. They are incredibly proficient musicians, they kill killer covers, and take adventurous chances improvisationally. However, I don't really gel with them, never have. Too much prog in the jam for my tastes. Phish has prog out the wazoo, but they incoporate so much more groove.

Which brings me back to that Eleven search. That song is more like classical rock, since it's years before people thought of labeling prog as such, and Phil was classically trained along with that avant garde training. There's the weird waltzing rhythm, the dynamic ebbs and flows, and Jerry ripping a composed piece with increasing ferocity, all while Phil goes from rapid-fire eighth notes to huge counterpoint chords, and Mickey has the time of his life. A request had been made for where that list stood, a nice weekend up to Quebec put off an answer til now, but it also gave me a chance to relisten to a couple, which changed things a bit:
1 2/28/69 mainly ahead of the pack for the few minutes of Phil and Jerry bobbing and weaving around each other, for some of it by themselves very quietly, and this one is nearly flawless.
2 1/2/70 DaP 30 this one surprised me, did not recall it being this good. Of course, this is an A++ Dark Star sequence at that show anyway, but this is a really hot Eleven.
3 3/2/69 going into it, thought this would be easily the best based on previous listens where I was blown away, mainly by Phil's ability to improvise in 11 the way he does in this one that he doesn't do the rest of the Fillmore West run. Yet I still liked the FE one from 10 months later slightly better.
4 3/1/69 being the third best version of the Eleven out of four in four nights isn't that bad. Still well executed and a rousing version. I've long felt this show's wad was shot with That's It For The Other One opening, but it's still great primal Dead.
5 12/11/69 DaP Bonus Disc 2014 very nice, tight version that goes ridiculously into an early Cumberland Blues.
6 11/8/69 DiP 16 this show was just ridiculous, especially that dream continuous second set.
7 2/27/69 the Dark Star is on Live/Dead, but they skipped this Eleven because it's shaky from a few guys at a couple different spots. Phil is all over it, and the jam is great because Jerry gets over his initial stumbles and makes up for it with some fiery work. But since my goal was a really great version that is also nailed, I knocked it down a bit. Which leads to my last eighth note on The Eleven
8 11/2/69 DaP 43 the big thing that throws me on this one is the drum break by Mickey and re-entry bomb by Phil being uncharacteristically off. Some others aren't so smooth either, this one maybe was the most awkward. It's a small thing, but this guy is definitely going to be more impressed by one where they nail that bomb like the Fillmore West Run where they played it each night, and had it DOWN. But I do love this last Dave's Picks Dark Star sequence. The Dark Star, St Stephen are A+, The Eleven an A-, but that oh so deft segue into Death Don't Have No Mercy, maybe the best one I've heard (happy for suggestions to knock it from that personal perch), is just fantastic.

Sorry for the lengthy diversion. Dave's 44 looks promising. MSG not sounding so promising. If it's around in six months, I'll probably bite the bullet then. Dave's 2023 subs are right around the corner, that's the best hundred bucks I spend every year.

ETA: I unfortunately had to limit my choices to what I had on USB drives in my car, just moved a couple weeks ago, and the computer is still in a box, so the Download Series and other versions from 1968-69 weren't readily available. Dick's Picks 26 has 2 versions! I will need to set up that very computer for the creation of the disc, so may give them a spin whenever I get around to that :)

I finally got through the whole MSG box and gave a few shows a second listen. I enjoyed it and am glad I have it but it's just not the strongest box set they've ever put out. I think deadtony had one of the better one liners on the MSG thread, suffice for a review.. "Love me some dirty 80s." Pretty much sums it up.

I would consider getting the stand alone show (3/9/81) if the cost of the box and space issues are driving your decision. It's probably the strongest performance of the bunch and I think it sounds the best of what is in the box. Down and dirty Grateful Dead, Cliffs notes edition. You would be missing the pretty tripped out wild colored box art, but... that's all flare and flash, albiet trippy flare and flash.

Just something to consider.

Back to whatever it was you were doing or listening to, screwing up or making just exactly perfect.

I'd bet a buffalo nickel they play Viola Lee Blues. That song lends itself well to a full brass sound.

So Vegas odds we see a Viola over the weekend.

For what it's worth, the horns player Phil had for the first three nights was fantastic. An Energizer Bunny if I've ever seen one. Karl Denson. Check this guy out, he's the real deal.. funk and jazz, a perfect fit.

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Submitted by daverock on Wed, 10/19/2022 - 01:57

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Amen, Cousins. "The Humbler" and "The Real Humbler", with Danny Gatton, are two are my favourite rock n' roll albums. Robert Gordon was also a pretty good writer on Southern rock n' roll/blues/soul. Three on my book shelf are "It Came From Memphis", "Respect Your Self-Stax Records and The Soul Explosion" and "I Can't be Satisfied-the Life and Times of Muddy Waters"
Alvar - great post on "The Eleven"-cheers. I always think of "classic rock" as being a bit of a negative description though - an attempt to make rock music socially acceptable. It always seems to be attached to very successful bands at the very point that they have lost their edge. Music your dad would like. Or your kids, come to that. Not a description that fits Eleven era Dead exactly.

Last 5 - none of which are socially acceptable. Hopefully
Nasty Rockabilly Volume 1. Various
Dust On The Nettles cd 3 Various
Live at The Venue, London 4/19/80 The Cramps
Chasin' The Bird cd 1 Charlie Parker
Complete Motown Singles 1966 cd 2 Various ( damn. It's still really good though)

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Submitted by dmcvt on Wed, 10/19/2022 - 07:22

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Always appreciate hints to favorites/bests lists, was on a Viola Lee Blues quest a while back mice elf. Knowing at least one or two of my Dead loving friends would pick up the MSG big box and facing serious media overload/storage conditions, went for the 3CD package, am happy to have just it. Did stream much of the other shows before decision. Also thought the advance promo artwork at announcement was weird, now seeing part of it on the 3CD, also get it. Would suggest if any of y'all have a black light, check it out, those are florescent inks. Full disclosure, I held on to almost all my lighting effects from back in the day, makes me laugh still, thinking of UV posters and painted basement or attic hang outs. Recently picked up yet unheard Bruce Hornsby's Intersections, very nice extended foray into nooks and crannies of his great talent.

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Submitted by Cousins Of The… on Wed, 10/19/2022 - 09:53

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Going through the box one more time; listening to 9/21/82, what really bugs me is that the Charlie Miller on the archive sounds better in general, more crisp; box version almost sounds like some noise reduction was applied. Anyone else??

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Submitted by JeffSmith on Wed, 10/19/2022 - 13:35

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Thanks for the suggestion DMCVT: The MSG box does indeed go crazy(ier) under UV light!

Edit: Oh yeah, that was IceCream that suggested a 6 foot blacklight poster several days ago. Maybe TPTB are working on it right now? Black Light Friday? . . . Just in time for Christmas? . . . But can mail innovations handle mailing tubes?

I had previously suggested that dead net sell a 6-foot wide black light poster this holiday season.
We’ll see what Black (Light) Friday at dead net brings.
Hint, hint dead net.

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Submitted by JimInMD on Thu, 10/20/2022 - 20:40

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I will have to check it out. I did think casually that the early 80 Millers chosen for 30 trips sounded better than the official released versions, thinking especially 82 Manor Downs. I think Jeffrey has gotten better at working with the cassette masters, but for this subset of recordings there was not a huge bump between the good millers and the released versions. This is one of the first (if not the first) that received the Plangent treatment. 3/9 sounds great and 3/10 to a lesser extent, but to my ears they do not sustain this mark as the box continues.

Still I like it and am glad I purchased it, but this one will be a test. Not everyone is going to dig each and every show in this box.

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Submitted by fourwindsblow on Mon, 11/07/2022 - 05:18

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I'll bet the missing fall '72 reels are in there too!

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Submitted by JimInMD on Mon, 11/07/2022 - 08:12

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Good to see you Four Winds.

Regarding Fall '72 Reels, Google Dick Latvala Introduces The Philo Stomp

It will bring you to a radio broadcast with Latvala on the Grateful Seconds blog where he seems to introduce the term Philo Stomp. Philo Stomp is a whole other conversation totally worthy of exploration.. but back to the point, Dick suggests there is a cache of Bear Reels that seem to not be indexed or included as vault shows but do exist, many of these from Fall 1972.

To quote Latvala from the hijacked Gans radio broadcast:

"I did go into Bear's Secret Stash and I did find a lot of fall '72 shows...."

This one's for you, HendrixFreak.

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Submitted by fourwindsblow on Tue, 11/08/2022 - 02:06

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Hey Jim good to see you too!

That is awesome!

I have a feeling that 46 might just be 10/24 with over an hour of 10/23 or it could be from July '74.

Edited: This supposed to be Dave's Picks 46

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Submitted by Forensicdoceleven on Tue, 11/08/2022 - 04:48

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Mornin', rockers................

A box without hinges, key, or lid, yet golden treasure inside is hid..............

It appears that a hidden treasure has recently leaked out---the Carousel shows from June 8 and 9, 1968. OK, it's fragmented, and incomplete, but it's choice primal Dead. Anybody who needs/wants, you know where to find me...........

One of Bear's fall 1972 recordings is already out----one of the Boston Music Hall shows from September. Excellent quality. So yes, those appear to be in there. Let's all sign the HF petition and get that Fall 72 box put out...........

Our treasure lies in the beehive of our knowledge. We are perpetually on the way thither, being by nature winged insects and honey gatherers of the mind........

Rock on,

Doc
If love is the treasure, laughter is the key.........

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Submitted by fourwindsblow on Tue, 11/08/2022 - 05:49

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If they found the missing reels from the November Texas run that would make a great box.

To turn one of these dead threads into the most exciting thing happening at dead.net. 43 seems like it could harbor safe discussions well past the required three-month expiration date. What a great Dave's Pick, seems like a cool place to freak freely.

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Submitted by fourwindsblow on Wed, 11/09/2022 - 02:39

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Welcome to the underground!

2/19/73 A++

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Submitted by JimInMD on Thu, 11/10/2022 - 17:01

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I'm in. Short show, apparently no first set.

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Submitted by fourwindsblow on Fri, 11/11/2022 - 01:44

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Hi Jim

Apparently that is all that they played NRPS opened, but what is there is played perfectly. I don't know if they have reels of this set as I think Dick said he only found cassettes. If there looking for a live one disk companion for release with Wake of the Flood 50th this gets my vote. ;-)

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Submitted by bluecrow on Fri, 11/11/2022 - 04:45

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4 Winds, Yes - I think 2/19 is missing some reels(?) in the vault. What circulates is indeed an A++ fantastic sequence. Also, Dead wore their Nudie Suits and there are good photos. I've wanted a whole show release miracle for years, just like DaP 6 2/2/70, where the missing reels got returned decades later. In the end a cleaned up one disc release of this gem would be awesome also if that's all they've got.

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Submitted by fourwindsblow on Fri, 11/11/2022 - 09:16

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Hey Bluecrow, that would be great if they did have a whole show to release everyone just sounds fantastic!

What we have on the archive is from master cassette recorded by Bear and they really sound great I could only imagine what the sbd reels sound like. They say Bear always recorded on reel to reel and cassette so it could be that they are in the newly opened Bear boxes.

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Submitted by JimInMD on Fri, 11/11/2022 - 09:35

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I caught this yesterday, thanks 4winds..

Archive dt Org has a user comment of someone that claims to have been there. He said the New Riders opened and the the GD only played one set. Not sure if it's true or not.. Phil was on this night, however.

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Submitted by fourwindsblow on Fri, 11/11/2022 - 12:05

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From right here on dead net.

International Amphitheatre February 19, 1973

My best show ever!! Worst seat in the house. New Riders were fun, first set was OK. Second set involved numerous trips to edge city and back. They wore the Nudie suits, but who cared!

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Submitted by JimInMD on Fri, 11/11/2022 - 13:34

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Interesting. Much of the time for shows that either didn't circulate or only circulated as partials, the setlists are inaccurate or incomplete and when the source tapes surface the setlists are amended. In other words.. goes to show you don't never know.

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Submitted by JimInMD on Sat, 11/12/2022 - 21:26

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pfffft.. ahhh.

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Submitted by icecrmcnkd on Sun, 11/13/2022 - 09:05

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Not on the list of returned reels.
Check the banana boxes.

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Submitted by JimInMD on Tue, 11/15/2022 - 15:08

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Oh.. were you looking for those reels? Sorry.. forgot to put them back. Now where did I put them.. hold this thought.

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Submitted by 1stshow70878 on Tue, 11/15/2022 - 15:21

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Fill me in again. Why is a Feb.1970 Fillmore East box not possible? Something about the Allmans, others being there too? Or is it that there's already some of that out there on Bear's Choice, Dick's 4.
Just noticed Dave dabbling into this on last week's Tapers selection of 2-11-70b (which has a Cumberland), the first 5 songs before the Allmans and Peter Green come on stage. Thanks and sorry if this has been covered already.
Cheers

It's been discussed.. but it's a big fat head scratcher. If they released the whole thing, uncut in order it would get gobbled up. As for the guests.. I can't see anyone on either side putting up a fuss at this point. Most of them are dead now anyway... and the ones that are alive, at least on the GD side wouldn't get fussy about it.

It could be how to cut the pie and split the profits or perhaps incompetence? I don't know. ....or as Mr. Burns would say, "Smithers.. release the reels"

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Submitted by fourwindsblow on Wed, 11/16/2022 - 02:42

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I've been thinking for a while about a dueling West meets East, Fillmore box. February '70 would be great if the missing reels have been found.

Bear's taping run came to an end in 1970. After the New Orleans bust, the Fillmore East shows in February were the last ones Bear could tape out-of-state, as he was confined to California after that. The Dead apparently kept taping themselves until June - Bob Matthews became the soundman and taped several shows we know of that May (5/1, 5/2, 5/14, 5/15), and probably many of their other spring shows as well. Presumably the Fillmore West tapes up to June are Bear's work. The last shows he recorded were at San Rafael in July '70, before going off to prison.

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Submitted by fourwindsblow on Fri, 11/18/2022 - 05:12

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peel back those banana boxes I'm running low on potassium!

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Submitted by JimInMD on Sun, 11/20/2022 - 07:32

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I suspect lots of fall 72 and other early recorded stuff just might surface one day.

If so.. it's amazing to me that still, after 50 years, some of these ancient reels are finally making their way either back to the vault or into the hands of Lemieux, Norman and the folks at Plangent.

And before we cast off into subjects unknown, what ever became of the returned Mountain Girl reels? No one even knows what they are, no information is available on these other than we know they exist.

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Submitted by fourwindsblow on Tue, 11/22/2022 - 02:12

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On the end of Dave's 2023 sub's video he says "gotta go proof two shows" I think it's DaP 46 he was talking about he also said that the "Bonus disc will compliment the main part of the release." Two shows from fall '72 is my guess (10/23 and 24 would be great) no sbds of these two shows which would be great for subscription sales. These two shows have a lot of the same songs in the first set to me these songs are played better on the 24th so no need for the two full show's to be released.

Happy Thanksgiving!

I always wondered why (with two exceptions), the rest of this mini tour went unreleased. The same could be said with the same time of the year 1973.

I feel some of these shows are already queued or at least in the running.

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Submitted by daverock on Sat, 11/26/2022 - 04:20

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My normal practice these days is to play new releases once, and then put them on the shelf to be rediscovered at a later date. But that has gone out of the window with this release . I keep getting drawn back to it. This must mean that it is my favourite release of the last 5 years or so.

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Submitted by 1stshow70878 on Wed, 11/30/2022 - 07:13

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The Family Dog at the Great Highway, S.F., CA.
2-27-1970
2-28-1970
3-01-1970
Hmm... just thinkin'. Mini-box?
Cheers

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Submitted by 1stshow70878 on Wed, 11/30/2022 - 07:14

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Dbl. post.
But since I'm here,
30 days was fun this year.
Cheers

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Submitted by JimInMD on Wed, 11/30/2022 - 10:10

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We know Bear was able to and did tape shows in California for much of 1970. Prior to trial & sentencing etc., California was fair game.

Dave has played a few segments from the Fall 1979 tour lately in Today in GD History yesterday being 11/29/79 Cleveland Public Hall. He was hyping up the performances and recordings from this tour, commenting something to the effect that there were several of these shows considered for release, spelling out Pittsburgh in addition to the Cape Cod show included in 30 trips. He added there are a few in this tour that are releasable, and he wouldn't be surprised to see some of these get selected perhaps sooner rather than later.

All this seems in line with subscription picks in recent years. Life is good.

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Submitted by JimInMD on Mon, 01/16/2023 - 23:41

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Blooming Awful

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Submitted by jonathan918@GD on Sat, 04/01/2023 - 07:11

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When first released I only listened once or twice (life was busy at the time) However, I have spent some quality time with 43 the last couple of days. It's funny how sometimes you play a pick that's been on the shelf awhile only to realize, holy smokes, this baby is a keeper!!

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