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  • topchinacat
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    I managed to get to all the Ventura shows, being only a couple hours north of LA .... always a fun time on the beach ... great setting, good music... even managed a couple of decent photos of Uncle Jerry & the Boys and Bill Graham (backstage). But by far and away, the 7/13/84 (Dark Star returns!) show is one of the stand out moments of all the 50+ shows I saw in the early/mid 80's. When Phil comes out to the mic after the show and says ".... something special, one time only" (not an exact quote), the place went ape-shot! AND it was a tight, at pace, driving 15 minutes or so that no one wanted to end. Friday 13th at the Greek... how could there ever be a better Dead experience!!!

  • proudfoot
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    Bound to cover just a little more ground

    4 20 69

    Wow. Interesting twist on the setlist.

  • billy the kiddd
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    Crazy Fingers returns. Ventura, fun times!

  • proudfoot
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    clarification

    7/18/82 happened before we met
    7/13/84 is in keeping with the GD theme

    Meeting her and then the birthing as a bundle of family related stuff

    I mean...7/18/82 and 7/13/84 were MINDBLOWING and LIFE CHANGING.

    I figured I would meet the right young maiden at some point.

    I'll be quiet now.

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  • Gratefulhan
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    Chop ups should be complete but fragments are neat…

    I'm definitely a complete show kind of head like many of you. And I think there are staples we could all agree upon that should be released in their entirety: Fillmore East February 1970, Fillmore East April 1971, and Winterland October 1974 are easy examples to come up with. Now with the Dicks Picks series, Mr. Latvala from what I have read was a little particular about shows. It's somewhat not surprising but reading through the often shared “Grateful Dead Miscellany” , Dick goes into his thoughts on many shows. This includes what he thinks may be released in the future. Some of his commentary does talk about shows that won't be necessarily released in their entirety based upon what he felt was the quality of the music (mostly) and available rels at that time. Here is a quote from him from that site about the 11/30/73, 12/1/73, 12/2/73 shows:

    “As for the run at Boston at the end of the month and the beginning of December, well I would have to say that it is just that, "a run of shows". What I mean here is that I see using these 3 nights as a 3-4 cd release of the "best of a run" kind of deal. Not one of the 3 stands out on it's own, but in combo, they will deliver some of the absolutely finest playing of the year!!!”

    That gives a little insight into maybe why some shows, at least when Dick was in charge, only got released in part or in fragments. I do think it is important to note that Dave L still puts out shows that Dick L held in high regard too.

    For the current times, I think we have a much fuller vault to work with the returned Betty Reels. We have definitely seen the fruits of that return in the form of many shows being released in their entirety. However, I guess there are still some shows that are incomplete or, as the old Dick’s Picks caveat used to read, where the sound was affected by “the ravages of time”. For the 2023 DaP bonus disc, the situation is as per the email:

    “There are two shows in September 1972 for which there are not complete recordings, either because of missing reels, or because of technical issues. The 2023 subscribers' Bonus Disc features the best material that sounded great from these two shows”

    It is hard to know exactly what is and is not affected by technical issues. Then of course what material was not affected but left off the bonus disc. Knowing how great Dave L has treated us , he often finds a way to get this missing material out if he can. Maybe it will be filler on another release or it will come out in a future 30 Days of Dead (if it hasn't already).

    With all of that, I often wonder if we would ever get complete releases of those shows that were chopped-up from many years ago. That is assuming that everything is contained in the vault and of releasable sound quality. I would certainly welcome it but at the same time if we're just stuck with chopped-up shows or fragments I think I can be OK with that. For me, I know looking towards the future, I'm really hoping that the vault gets mined for the other high profile shows that haven't been given the official release. I'm not knowledgeable enough to speak on the time it takes to put all these together other than I know we get quarterly releases of the DaP series, often an anniversary edition re-release, an LP for record store day, and one big box set per year. So, I guess the question begs, is there enough time and resources for Dave L and the crew to return to some of these old shows and put them out in their entirety without sacrificing the regular schedule of releases?

  • 1stshow70878
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    Sprogs

    A term for babies, 1940s military slang term.
    From obsolete mediaeval or pre-mediaeval English word "sprag",
    for a "lively young man". I like to keep up with Daverock and also with the continentals. Makes me feel smarter to speak the King's english.
    Cheers

  • Mr. Ones
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    Does your wife know she's 3rd on the list??
    I just had to chuckle, and yes, my wife knows she barely even MAKES the list!! Merry Christmas to All, and a Happy Hanukkah as well.

  • Chuck
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    Hendrixfreak yes you are right about Bobby saying is there a doctor in the house at Englishtown. At Watkins Glen there was a young girl to our left about 25 feet and was ready to pop. It was raining and we saw her friends helping her to get up and leave...later we heard she gave birth. not sure if it was on the ground or in an Ambulance. and Savoy Brown I remember seeing them at the Filmore East right before Christmas with I think Poco, If I rememer Paul Cotton just replaced Jim Messina in Poco. At Penn State Poco was a big hit in all the Dorms with their music blasting out the windows. All these memories are making me feel old but Happy

  • daverock
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    No sprogs born at Watkins Glen ?

    You would have thought there would have been, in a crowd that size in 1973.

    Chalk me up for fragments too. You only have to look at the ones that have already come out - especially the incomplete shows in Dicks Picks and Road Trips - to see how well they can work.

  • hendrixfreak
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    No worries

    Here's a confession: I can't keep this forum straight! I've got 1st show and proudfoot mixed up and, hey, where did I put that pipe?

    Kim Simmonds, yeah! Flying V, A Hard Way to Go, A Step Further -- man, got into Savoy Brown in about 1970 and a couple years ago I bought a couple of their early albums on 2 LPs on one CD production. Good to have just plain hard rockin'!

    Hey Chuck, didn't Weir announce from the stage that they needed to get her out of the crowd and "is there a doctor in the house?" At the Glen I didn't hear anything about babies appearing, but I do recall the sky diver, who made a long descent, then I believe triggered a flare that burned him to death as he descended just outside the bounds of the crowd. Horrible! But 50 years on, is there a joke in there somewhere? I guess he was burning to see the Dead... I mean, that guy was smokin'....(sorry!!)

    Well, April 2023 should be pretty tasty: spring (of sorts here) and 4-5 hrs of fall '72 GD and the upside is, some tracks from my first show. Make that glass half-full, now that I'm done with the one-man pity party!

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What ever happened to Clay V?

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First in the door

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Always nice to skate on a fresh sheet of ice!

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for 44... now where's that announcement for the '60s Bay Area Box?

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What, no seaside chat?

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TBH, I was a little underwhelmed with the previous pick - outside of the Dark Stars and the acoustic stuff, I don't know that it will get much play around these parts. I know it is sacrilege, but late 69/early 70 isn't really my cup of coffee - I often find it too muddy. Also, there have already been 4 other releases from this period... but, for those who love it, rock on!

Summer of 90 is much more up my Brent-loving alley. Granted, we did just get the Deer Creek release from this period, but I am excited for this show with West L.A., Cumberland, Crazy Fingers, and a Playin>UJB>Playin sammie in the showcase spot. AND, we do get that missing 69 Cold Rain and Snow from Vol. 43 - (I hope they tuned their guitars... :)

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Excited for the pick, but these random fillers from different eras are absurd. Looks like there's room on disc 3 for the Help>Slip>Franklins from the next day. That would have been more appropriate.

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Listener whiplash :-). Looking forward to this Oregon ‘90 after the 69 shows.

Seaside chat is located at the Size Chart banner..ok I can dig that.

OTIS..looks like you won’t escape the ‘69 as Dave is tucking in Cold rain and snow from DAP 43 at the end.

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Maybe they think those that enjoyed Dave's 43 will be tempted to buy this for the filler - to complete the show it was dropped from on that set. But it's a big ask if you ain't so keen on 1990.

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....need to log in again and says invalid login/password. Arrrrrgh.
Edit. Nevermind. Joeymc on the MSG page says you need to create a separate account. So stupid.
Be our guest, be our guest. Put our service to the test.

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I'm looking forward to this pick. I've never heard the show but have heard tell of the recording and the show itself over the years. I always focused on spring 1990 and am just hearing these summer shows. This looks great.

Awesome year on Dave's Picks in my book.

I have really enjoyed 43 with the two 69 shows and Bear recordings. Killer in my book. Acoustic set too.

Spring 77 and Winterland 74 on top of that.

The sound quality on this year's picks has been awesome in my opinion. They all have really sweet sound. Great shows as well.

Thanks Dave!!

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If I heard him right Dave inferred that next year's box will not be an anniversary oriented one. Anniversary stuff separate. He may clarify that with the next chat. Vguy, others have said you have to have separate log in credentials now for store? They need to fix that if it's so. Forgot that Lowell George had produced Shakedown. No wonder I like it so much. 6-23-90 is a DAT master. I guess that's good. On the 3-9-81 did anyone else hear the speed was a tiny bit fast early in the show? I know Plangent and Jeffrey Norman take care of that but Jerry and Bob sounded a little chipmunky for the first two songs. Seems to correct later in the set. Maybe they were just younger sounding that day, or I'm still tripping. Hard to tell but I was sure that was a tic-tac and not a microdot.
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A good choice indeed. However I thought DL2 would visit the 80's, I guess the 5 from MSG would've been a bit of 80's overkill.

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Is this part II of Lumpy Gravy??

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I agree, Alan T: It's just weird to drop into a "Cold Rain"from '69 in the midst of 1990 show, I guess a lot of folks are into completeness for the sake of completeness, but I would vote for adding bonus tracks from the same tour (or at least the same era, with the same personnel) when there's a little extra room on the seedy.

But that's a minor gripe about a release I'm very much looking forward to. Have to give props to Dave for DaP 40, which really opened my ears to how good the first half of '90 was. I've got a 45 minute drive ahead of me this afternoon, and I'm looking forward to streaming the listening party.

Last five:
John Coltrane: Blue Train
GOGD: DaP 40
Ray Charles: The Genius Of
Aretha: I've Never Loved a Man ...
ABB: Hittin' the Note

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....this is right in my wheelhouse and just under a month from my first show (Buffalo, July 16th).

I know I've listened to this one in the past but am still looking forward to a pristine official copy in my grubby hands.
I'll take a 15 minute Eyes 2nd set opener any day.

Hope All are Faring Well
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....but if memory serves me correctly, I got the flu or something.
My crew took my ticket and left me behind :(

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things are weirder than normally over there. That glass is cool. cost seem up since last I checked a few items, just a buck or two but still.

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Is the seaside chat not on the website? Got by email but can’t find it

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I can’t find seaside chat even though I clicked through from email?

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Possibly bit out of step ( something I'm not normally known for), but apparently Robert Gordon died earlier today. For those who don't know, Hhe pre-dated The Stray Cats in plugging into the rockabilly source back in 1977 - and the two live albums he cut with Danny Gatton "The Humbler" and "The Real Humbler" are two of the best rock n' roll albums - from any era - that I have ever heard.

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My favorite show of the year, with the Sunday show a close second. Check out the jam in 'Cassidy', and really a hundred other things. Every song is excellent, many are superb. Been wanting this show for years, having to make do with various cassettes and CD-Rs. Here it is, can't wait, perfect show!

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Right below the CD pic. Pale lettering between Product details and Track list.
Combined it with listening parties.
Cheers and enjoy

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The Chat and listener party are Located on the Size Chart button…must be a prankster thing

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This may be my favorite Dave's Pick yet. Awesome show. Epic. A prime example of a top tier show as good as any from any era. Everybodies engaged playing at the absolute top of their game. Even if you tend to avoid the Brent era you should do yourself a favor and give this one a chance. You'll thank me later.

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Please Dave, no more glasses!

Bring back the axe?

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Anyone else get the 3rd man record vault of the primus 7 inch cuts?

Anyone have a digital copy of them?

It's a pretty box. Nice artwork, nice colored vinyl.

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....I see Grateful Shred is playing Seattle on Oct 22nd and 23rd. Heard good things about them.
Dennis. Primus sucks.

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Looking forward to this one. Will Dave receive a recording credit for use of his recording? I am starting to see a trend, the last release of the year for the last three years have been shows Dave attended. Interesting to learn as well that he has no list when he lays out his releases. I did see the Seaside chat on the tube, but I don't see it on this website. Where is it?

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Did Dave get that ultra cool low key hoodie?

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I agree - that’s a very wearable hoodie, Dave L. Unlike most of the other “apparel” for sale on the site, which looks like Lululemon dosed, that hoodie looks pretty fine!
I did find my black “Dave’s Picks” waffle shirt the other day, great for these cooler days, but a hoodie would be sweet.
Spill Dave!

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The sun is in the middle because this was shortly after the summer solstice.

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Hey Joey & Vguy, Maybe that's an ET embryo that the UFO on Dave's 23 (also in Eugene) left behind that has now germinated and is calling the tune.

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As I told Billj yesterday the chat has been grouped with the other things in a line of faint print under the CD pic. It does not have its own box, have to click on it. Not looking at it now but between the Product details and the Track list.
Is the hoodie out of his Dave's Picks line? Couldn't make out the logo.
Cheers and good luck navigating the store.

Not wearable in my book. A hoodie MUST have a zip front for heat/cooling adjustments!

It appeared to have a dead emblem on it. But hell, you're Dave! Could be a one off someone made for him.

Listening party on 44 sounded like a very nice recording.

It'll bring a smile to this face.

Dennis - It could be a one-off hoodie, possible. I’m with you for having a zipper usually, but I’d make an exception for this. Maybe the store can actually make some swag folks will actually wear. Remember those “Astrology” (!!) shirts??? I want friends to take the Dead serious as the great musicians they were/are, not some Age of Aquarius InaGoddaVida collective, but then they produce these shirts!!??

The manager at the art supply store I used to go for supplies was a nice young guy, had all the obligatory hipster tattoos and the super sized earring inset that looked like a small dinner plate. Anyway, we’d invariably chat music, and he was absolutely a Tiger Beat fanboy for Primus. He’d rave about them, and I’d generally just kind of go quiet, not wanting to tell him Primus blows. I think he eventually got the hint, because one time I was in there, he gave me the usual “Why Primus is better than the Beatles or Stones”, then after a long pause where I changed the subject, said “But I get not every one likes them”.
I just smiled, as some things are better not said.

As an aside, this #44 looks like a winner. I’ve always loved “Crazy Fingers”, a somewhat rare treat, so I’m betting this one is a good one.

I'm amazed at all the different types of tee shirts and merchandise you can buy on here.
I notice you can get something described as a "Grateful Dead Puff Recycled Tee Shirt". You'd have to have been a tough cookie to wear something described like that where I grew up.

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I hear you on what you wear ( then). When in high school ( I’m not telling 😄) we used to beat up kids who wore yellow shirts. Now? I’m old most guys here are in their 20’s to 40’s. My job requires a uniform but every couple of months I have to let my freak flag fly Dashikis tie die etc. Trip is the youngsters all say the same thing “ I wish I could get away with that. Did I mention I’m a union man ( helps when management asks me when they changed the uniform “ oh you didn’t get the memo ? Wavy Gravy is our new ceo😄

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What have they done now? I’m signed in ( I’m making this post get gawd’s sake) but every time I try to buy the glass I go to some new page that tells me I don’t exist what have they done now

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Snafu - VGuy mentioned he had a problem the other day, too. Here is what he wrote, and it seemed to work:
“Trying To Order The Glass....
....need to log in again and says invalid login/password. Arrrrrgh.
Edit. Nevermind. Joeymc on the MSG page says you need to create a separate account. So stupid.
Be our guest, be our guest. Put our service to the test.”
Good luck.

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Bill Walton, noted Deadhead and NBA hall of famer, was seated right behind the plate during game one of the Phillies-Padres series, wearing full Padres gear. He's from La Jolla, ya know.

Also, they played Saint of Circumstance AND Fire on the Mountain between innings.

Just felt that like shouldn't go unnoticed. As you were.

PS: Man, that West LA from the listening party is sleee-zee. Almost demonic. You can almost smell the crack smoke in the hallway.

VGuy - I was considering sending up a quasi Bat Signal in the form of your avatar to alert you Snafu - nay, all of Gotham City - needed your help in dealing with the Dead Merchandiser!!!

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