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    A sealed, unlabeled box sat undisturbed for decades on a shelf in the Grateful Dead’s San Rafael tape vault on Front Street, its contents an enduring mystery, even to those few with access to the vault. All David Lemieux knew about that box when he became the Dead’s archivist was that it contained tapes belonging to Bear—Owsley Stanley, the Dead’s first soundman and architect of the Wall of Sound. Even in the Dead Heads’ Holy of Holies, the taped-up box was tantalizing. But this was Bear’s personal property, and so he didn’t touch the box out of an abiding respect for the elder luminary of sound. Bear’s archive of Sonic Journal recordings had been kept safe for him for years within the Grateful Dead’s vault—over 1,300 reels of tape stored in heavy-duty cartons like old banana boxes. At any time, David could have popped the tops and explored them to his archivist heart's content. But they were off-limits without the nod from Bear. - Starfinder Stanley, Hawk, and Pete Bell, Owsley Stanley Foundation

     

    With a wink and a nod from Bear, we've peeled back those banana boxes to find some of the oldest and rarest of all recordings of the Dead including the double dose of shows that make up DAVE’S PICKS VOLUME 43. The two virtually complete performances from San Francisco 11/2/69, Live At Family Dog At The Great Highway, and from Dallas 12/26/69, McFarlin Auditorium, are complementary in their clarity and consistency thanks to Bear himself, and in their ability to foreshadow where the Dead were headed in the years to come. If the two killer 20-minute+ "Dark Stars" don't get ya, how about the Pigpen-centric sets featuring "Midnight Hour," "Next Time You See Me," "Big Boss Man," "Good Lovin'," and the once-lost-now-found complete rendition of "Dancing In The Streets," or the first full acoustic set ever performed? And we're certain you'll be fascinated to uncover the "Mystery Of Bear's Banana Boxes" as told by Starfinder Stanley, Hawk, and Pete Bell in the liners.

     

    Limited to 25,000 numbered copies, DAVE’S PICKS VOLUME 43 was recorded by Owlsey "Bear" Stanley and has been mastered to HDCD specs by Jeffrey Norman at Mockingbird Mastering. Grab a copy while you can.

     

    *2 per order. Very limited quantity available.

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  • #1141
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    My Dave's status changed today....

    ....went from out for delivery to Shipment Received, Package Acceptance Pending
    Henderson, NV, United States as of July 30th. (Seems Doc fired up the DeLorean because we're going back in time). Seems to be a UPS to USPS transfer delay. Fingers still crossed!
    Luckily, I was born with a roadrunner speed metabolism. 6'4" 190 lbs. I can thank my moms side of the family for that. But yeah. Fast Food convenience in the 80's sparked the fire.
    Hey Charlie3. I think your wife does care about your speaker placement and just doesn't make it a big deal because she respects you. That's my wife at least.

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    AJS

    Thanks for the suggestion. Always interested to see what other people are listening on and how they like it.

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    I'm really digging hearing TC's organ frills on this cd!

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    I had the same problem with my Onkyo multi disc CD player. The laser is going bad. Check out Emotiva. Yes, a bit pricy but I have been very happy.

    Overweight Americans. A combination of diet, large portions, and no exercise. The solution - clothes that stretch. Much easier than lifestyle changes.

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    Speaker Placement

    Spot on Icecrmcnkd, speaker placement matters and I am going to choose the right moment to let my wife know that I'm not the only one who thinks so. Much to the annoyance of my wife, speaker placement has dictated the arrangement of some living room furniture. Standard two channel placement, about 12 feet apart on either side of the living room window, and about 12 feet from the sweet spot for listening on the couch. Set up to fill the open front of the house with sound, which means that you can't have a couch a few feet in front of a speaker even if it is a little off to the side, right? I mean, it seems obvious that you need a clear space extending out like a cone from the speaker to really optimize the sound on the far side of the open floor plan. I can't tell you how many times I've explained this to my wife. It almost seems like she doesn't care about sound quality nearly as much as I do.

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    Speaker placement matters too

    I just have Bose 301 bookshelf speakers that aren’t high end, but I have them on Bose speaker stands that are placed on TV stands. This puts the bottom of the speakers 5 ft off the floor, so there is nothing blocking the sound. They can go loud and remain very clear. There is an Onkyo subwoofer on the floor to cover the low end.

    I have a separate Onkyo 5.1 surround home theater system with Blu-ray, but don’t use it for playing CD’s because the Bose 301’s with the stereo system sound better than the little Onkyo speakers that are part of the 5.1 system.
    I did consider merging the two setups but decided that I wanted to have a Cambridge Audio stereo system.
    I used Onkyo tape decks during my tape trading days and never had an issue with them, so stuck with Onkyo when I went digital and was happy with it because it was affordable and sounded pretty good. Onkyo and other brands disappeared during the COVID shutdown (6-disc changers were impossible to find for a while) then reappeared at higher prices. So I decided to upgrade the audio system now, assuming that prices would only keep going up.
    I’m glad I did because it sounds very nice.

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    Charlie - you are right…

    Charlie - you are right about the Eagles perhaps getting it right the first time. Frey & Henley were notorious for being quite particular about the sound of the band, definitely not a “one and done” band in the studio.

    Oro - I knew this subject was right in your wheelhouse! Great info, as always. I’ve been meaning to ask you: You purchased a number of (first rate) jazz selections weeks back that had been recommended by the expert panel of Deadnet posters - have you worked your way through them yet, and does anything stand out so far? Anything disappoint?

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    What's on the grill today? Tri Tip! First music selection , Europe 72, that Cumberland is killer. Beer selection , Sierra Nevada Pale Ale. Next up, Louisana Fog, Charliie. Musslewhite. Fun Times. Beautiful day here in the Bay Area.

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    Replacement Player

    I have an Onkyo 6 cd changer also, and it has some issues reading discs. Sometimes I can put the CD back in a different tray and it will read, so it's not the CD. Some CD's it just will not read at all, so I started looking at CD players and was amazed at the jump in prices, double or triple what I paid for the same player a couple years before the pandemic. My solution was just to hook up an old Blu Ray player that was serving no other purpose, and that plays the CD's just fine, and you can still get a basic Blu Ray player for cheap. I am just using the disc player as transport and connecting to my receiver with an HDMI cable and using the DAC in the receiver, so the sound is exactly the same from the CD player or Blu Ray player.

    I upgraded my stereo a few years ago and got some nice speakers, and then upgraded the receiver a little later. Not a lot of local opportunities to listen to products in a showroom here, so I had to compare specifications online, ended up working out pretty well to my ears. I have a pair of Klipsch RP 280 floorstanding speakers and a Yamaha RX-A 1060 receiver. The speakers have great bass output down to almost the edge of human hearing, so no subwoofers needed. Saved a bunch picking up the speakers as an open box on ebay, although I could find nothing to indicate it had ever been opened when I received it, and picking up the receiver at the switch to the newer model. I just run everything without any processing, the receiver has a straight mode, with the idea of hearing things as recorded. I get nice clear sound with nice rich bass response even at low volumes, no detectable distortion even at high volume. The speakers are sensitive enough that they require only minimum power, so I really can't get to more than about one third or half volume on the receiver without hitting volumes that are just too high for normal listening. Lots of choices at a lot of budget levels that will produce great sound these days. I have been eyeing a Panasonic player that plays 4k Ultra Blu Rays, Blu Rays, DVDs, all current HDR video formats, audio CD's and a number of hi-res audio formats with a separate audio out HDMI port to connect to a stereo, but it's a little spendy and I can't say I actually need it right now so I'm holding off. For now.

    That Mike, I have noticed that I haven't really seen remasters of the Eagles albums, but I always assumed that meant they got it right the first time, 'cause the original CD's sound so good. I always thought the sound on One of These Nights and Hotel California were fantastic, full, rich sound. Still have my vinyl versions of both as well. Waiting for a Big Lebowski Eagles quote from somebody now.

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    So, equipment does matter

    Yes, yes it does lol.

    Format wars: people are once again conned into a us versus them scenario.
    I mean there is nothing that folks haven’t turned into a binary situation, yeeesshhk.
    So as a long time audiophile and geek, my 2 cents is they both can sound amazing (analog/Digital) if they’ve been done properly and using the right equipment. How it’s done is more important then which way!

    I’ve heard systems of both formats worth hundreds of thousands of dollars. Conclusion, the ones that were done properly sounded amazing, regardless of format. The systems that weren’t amazing, even with big price tags = bad equipment synergy and not doing things properly. I’ve heard modest systems done extremely well that blow away super expensive systems that weren’t done right!

    The biggest problem with digital, both now and ever, is conversion! Yes those other variables are very important, but the biggest factor in digital, and why it received most of its negative prejudice, involves conversion.
    Much of this negativity started with most/many? of the initial CD releases at the dawn of the format.
    Ignorance about how important conversion is (hey it’s just ones and zeros right, NOT!, combined with a race to get product out and beat the competition etc fostered an unfortunate environment, that resonates negative discontent to this day.
    By not using the actual masters, and outdated and often improper conversion, the result is a ridiculous amount of CDs that sound horrible!
    Add to this that most people use equipment with DAC sets that cost mere pennies to do the most import process in the playback chain, and it’s no wonder so many people don’t like digital.

    Fortunately, there have been amazing advances in DACs (both A to D and D to A conversion), digital mastering, digital recording etc, and more importantly, in research and knowledge.
    In some cases these advancements are as big as the jump from Standard def to High def video etc.
    But outside of our geek circles the vast majority of the public knows (or seems to care) nothing about this. For many the damage has been done psychologically due to the original shortsightedness and idiosyncrasies discussed above.

    So it’s refreshing to see someone like Conekid trying to take proper steps to improve his musical experience.
    Imho, a DAC can be the biggest little thing you can do. Even an inexpensive Audio Quest Dragonfly with a phone or iPod can often make a good improvement of even the most modest equipment. Of course the Achilles heel of audio electronics is synergy between components and of course ones listening room can be the biggest factor of all. Since you won’t ever know for sure what will play nice with what etc, it can be hard to get the most out of your whole system. So you might have to try different things, but audio nirvana is achievable, and you don’t have to spend a fortune if you do your research and with trial and error you’ll learn what works for you, because that’s the biggest factor of all! All the rest can be important and make a difference, but regardless of hype, price, trends, bottom line, does it sound good to you! You may have cheap garbage, but if you really like how it sounds, that’s what matters!

    If your not fully satisfied, try to really analyze what you don’t like, be as specific as possible. Then first research possible issues you can diy: improper use, and acoustic idiosyncrasies you might be able to address. Don’t just run out and buy something!!
    Don’t just get swayed by upgrade fever. I have a C40 pre amp that’s probably 40 years old. I can get a new one at cost. I’ve gone round and round, but generally like many features on mine, that a new one won’t have.
    So after I realized via my ole buddy BOO469 that all I had was upgrade fever, I’ve stayed with my ole trusty pre.
    If you know exactly what you don’t like, and if there’s nothing you can rectify acoustically, or perhaps electricity, then pin point what part of your chain could benefit the most from upgrading.
    Then take the time to research, and if possible try out stuff before you just throw money at it.
    Like anything else, an educated consumer has a better chance of being satisfied!

    Same is true with analog, but different set of equations. Since I put my big chips into a digital system, I’m familiar with overall analog practices, but would not make any specific suggestions due to very limited hands on experience of tge medium. I’d say look closely at your phono preamp type etc,.
    Anyway, sorry to ramble, told ya I was a geek!
    What ever your rocking, hopefully your able to maximize your ability to PLAY DEAD!

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A sealed, unlabeled box sat undisturbed for decades on a shelf in the Grateful Dead’s San Rafael tape vault on Front Street, its contents an enduring mystery, even to those few with access to the vault. All David Lemieux knew about that box when he became the Dead’s archivist was that it contained tapes belonging to Bear—Owsley Stanley, the Dead’s first soundman and architect of the Wall of Sound. Even in the Dead Heads’ Holy of Holies, the taped-up box was tantalizing. But this was Bear’s personal property, and so he didn’t touch the box out of an abiding respect for the elder luminary of sound. Bear’s archive of Sonic Journal recordings had been kept safe for him for years within the Grateful Dead’s vault—over 1,300 reels of tape stored in heavy-duty cartons like old banana boxes. At any time, David could have popped the tops and explored them to his archivist heart's content. But they were off-limits without the nod from Bear. - Starfinder Stanley, Hawk, and Pete Bell, Owsley Stanley Foundation

 

With a wink and a nod from Bear, we've peeled back those banana boxes to find some of the oldest and rarest of all recordings of the Dead including the double dose of shows that make up DAVE’S PICKS VOLUME 43. The two virtually complete performances from San Francisco 11/2/69, Live At Family Dog At The Great Highway, and from Dallas 12/26/69, McFarlin Auditorium, are complementary in their clarity and consistency thanks to Bear himself, and in their ability to foreshadow where the Dead were headed in the years to come. If the two killer 20-minute+ "Dark Stars" don't get ya, how about the Pigpen-centric sets featuring "Midnight Hour," "Next Time You See Me," "Big Boss Man," "Good Lovin'," and the once-lost-now-found complete rendition of "Dancing In The Streets," or the first full acoustic set ever performed? And we're certain you'll be fascinated to uncover the "Mystery Of Bear's Banana Boxes" as told by Starfinder Stanley, Hawk, and Pete Bell in the liners.

 

Limited to 25,000 numbered copies, DAVE’S PICKS VOLUME 43 was recorded by Owlsey "Bear" Stanley and has been mastered to HDCD specs by Jeffrey Norman at Mockingbird Mastering. Grab a copy while you can.

 

*2 per order. Very limited quantity available.

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Submitted by Cousins Of The… on Tue, 10/18/2022 - 13:12

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Great rock and roll singer, always with a killer band(L!nk Wray, Chris Spedding, Danny Gatton)

Had to add "!" in Mr. Wray's first name...Dead.net barked.

Last 5:

Robert Gordon Are You Gonna' Be the One
Weyes Blood Titanic Rising
Beach Boys Live 1968 (8 soundboards in 1 box set)
GD 3-10-81 (Bob MIA in the mix - almost sounds like JGB at times)
Cactus Blossoms One Day

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Submitted by alvarhanso on Tue, 10/18/2022 - 18:28

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On UM, I've seen them about a dozen times over the last 20 years, mainly when they've been on a co-bill. They are incredibly proficient musicians, they kill killer covers, and take adventurous chances improvisationally. However, I don't really gel with them, never have. Too much prog in the jam for my tastes. Phish has prog out the wazoo, but they incoporate so much more groove.

Which brings me back to that Eleven search. That song is more like classical rock, since it's years before people thought of labeling prog as such, and Phil was classically trained along with that avant garde training. There's the weird waltzing rhythm, the dynamic ebbs and flows, and Jerry ripping a composed piece with increasing ferocity, all while Phil goes from rapid-fire eighth notes to huge counterpoint chords, and Mickey has the time of his life. A request had been made for where that list stood, a nice weekend up to Quebec put off an answer til now, but it also gave me a chance to relisten to a couple, which changed things a bit:
1 2/28/69 mainly ahead of the pack for the few minutes of Phil and Jerry bobbing and weaving around each other, for some of it by themselves very quietly, and this one is nearly flawless.
2 1/2/70 DaP 30 this one surprised me, did not recall it being this good. Of course, this is an A++ Dark Star sequence at that show anyway, but this is a really hot Eleven.
3 3/2/69 going into it, thought this would be easily the best based on previous listens where I was blown away, mainly by Phil's ability to improvise in 11 the way he does in this one that he doesn't do the rest of the Fillmore West run. Yet I still liked the FE one from 10 months later slightly better.
4 3/1/69 being the third best version of the Eleven out of four in four nights isn't that bad. Still well executed and a rousing version. I've long felt this show's wad was shot with That's It For The Other One opening, but it's still great primal Dead.
5 12/11/69 DaP Bonus Disc 2014 very nice, tight version that goes ridiculously into an early Cumberland Blues.
6 11/8/69 DiP 16 this show was just ridiculous, especially that dream continuous second set.
7 2/27/69 the Dark Star is on Live/Dead, but they skipped this Eleven because it's shaky from a few guys at a couple different spots. Phil is all over it, and the jam is great because Jerry gets over his initial stumbles and makes up for it with some fiery work. But since my goal was a really great version that is also nailed, I knocked it down a bit. Which leads to my last eighth note on The Eleven
8 11/2/69 DaP 43 the big thing that throws me on this one is the drum break by Mickey and re-entry bomb by Phil being uncharacteristically off. Some others aren't so smooth either, this one maybe was the most awkward. It's a small thing, but this guy is definitely going to be more impressed by one where they nail that bomb like the Fillmore West Run where they played it each night, and had it DOWN. But I do love this last Dave's Picks Dark Star sequence. The Dark Star, St Stephen are A+, The Eleven an A-, but that oh so deft segue into Death Don't Have No Mercy, maybe the best one I've heard (happy for suggestions to knock it from that personal perch), is just fantastic.

Sorry for the lengthy diversion. Dave's 44 looks promising. MSG not sounding so promising. If it's around in six months, I'll probably bite the bullet then. Dave's 2023 subs are right around the corner, that's the best hundred bucks I spend every year.

ETA: I unfortunately had to limit my choices to what I had on USB drives in my car, just moved a couple weeks ago, and the computer is still in a box, so the Download Series and other versions from 1968-69 weren't readily available. Dick's Picks 26 has 2 versions! I will need to set up that very computer for the creation of the disc, so may give them a spin whenever I get around to that :)

I finally got through the whole MSG box and gave a few shows a second listen. I enjoyed it and am glad I have it but it's just not the strongest box set they've ever put out. I think deadtony had one of the better one liners on the MSG thread, suffice for a review.. "Love me some dirty 80s." Pretty much sums it up.

I would consider getting the stand alone show (3/9/81) if the cost of the box and space issues are driving your decision. It's probably the strongest performance of the bunch and I think it sounds the best of what is in the box. Down and dirty Grateful Dead, Cliffs notes edition. You would be missing the pretty tripped out wild colored box art, but... that's all flare and flash, albiet trippy flare and flash.

Just something to consider.

Back to whatever it was you were doing or listening to, screwing up or making just exactly perfect.

I'd bet a buffalo nickel they play Viola Lee Blues. That song lends itself well to a full brass sound.

So Vegas odds we see a Viola over the weekend.

For what it's worth, the horns player Phil had for the first three nights was fantastic. An Energizer Bunny if I've ever seen one. Karl Denson. Check this guy out, he's the real deal.. funk and jazz, a perfect fit.

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Submitted by daverock on Wed, 10/19/2022 - 01:57

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Amen, Cousins. "The Humbler" and "The Real Humbler", with Danny Gatton, are two are my favourite rock n' roll albums. Robert Gordon was also a pretty good writer on Southern rock n' roll/blues/soul. Three on my book shelf are "It Came From Memphis", "Respect Your Self-Stax Records and The Soul Explosion" and "I Can't be Satisfied-the Life and Times of Muddy Waters"
Alvar - great post on "The Eleven"-cheers. I always think of "classic rock" as being a bit of a negative description though - an attempt to make rock music socially acceptable. It always seems to be attached to very successful bands at the very point that they have lost their edge. Music your dad would like. Or your kids, come to that. Not a description that fits Eleven era Dead exactly.

Last 5 - none of which are socially acceptable. Hopefully
Nasty Rockabilly Volume 1. Various
Dust On The Nettles cd 3 Various
Live at The Venue, London 4/19/80 The Cramps
Chasin' The Bird cd 1 Charlie Parker
Complete Motown Singles 1966 cd 2 Various ( damn. It's still really good though)

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Submitted by dmcvt on Wed, 10/19/2022 - 07:22

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Always appreciate hints to favorites/bests lists, was on a Viola Lee Blues quest a while back mice elf. Knowing at least one or two of my Dead loving friends would pick up the MSG big box and facing serious media overload/storage conditions, went for the 3CD package, am happy to have just it. Did stream much of the other shows before decision. Also thought the advance promo artwork at announcement was weird, now seeing part of it on the 3CD, also get it. Would suggest if any of y'all have a black light, check it out, those are florescent inks. Full disclosure, I held on to almost all my lighting effects from back in the day, makes me laugh still, thinking of UV posters and painted basement or attic hang outs. Recently picked up yet unheard Bruce Hornsby's Intersections, very nice extended foray into nooks and crannies of his great talent.

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Submitted by Cousins Of The… on Wed, 10/19/2022 - 09:53

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Going through the box one more time; listening to 9/21/82, what really bugs me is that the Charlie Miller on the archive sounds better in general, more crisp; box version almost sounds like some noise reduction was applied. Anyone else??

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Submitted by JeffSmith on Wed, 10/19/2022 - 13:35

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Thanks for the suggestion DMCVT: The MSG box does indeed go crazy(ier) under UV light!

Edit: Oh yeah, that was IceCream that suggested a 6 foot blacklight poster several days ago. Maybe TPTB are working on it right now? Black Light Friday? . . . Just in time for Christmas? . . . But can mail innovations handle mailing tubes?

I had previously suggested that dead net sell a 6-foot wide black light poster this holiday season.
We’ll see what Black (Light) Friday at dead net brings.
Hint, hint dead net.

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Submitted by JimInMD on Thu, 10/20/2022 - 20:40

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I will have to check it out. I did think casually that the early 80 Millers chosen for 30 trips sounded better than the official released versions, thinking especially 82 Manor Downs. I think Jeffrey has gotten better at working with the cassette masters, but for this subset of recordings there was not a huge bump between the good millers and the released versions. This is one of the first (if not the first) that received the Plangent treatment. 3/9 sounds great and 3/10 to a lesser extent, but to my ears they do not sustain this mark as the box continues.

Still I like it and am glad I purchased it, but this one will be a test. Not everyone is going to dig each and every show in this box.

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Submitted by fourwindsblow on Mon, 11/07/2022 - 05:18

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I'll bet the missing fall '72 reels are in there too!

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Submitted by JimInMD on Mon, 11/07/2022 - 08:12

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Good to see you Four Winds.

Regarding Fall '72 Reels, Google Dick Latvala Introduces The Philo Stomp

It will bring you to a radio broadcast with Latvala on the Grateful Seconds blog where he seems to introduce the term Philo Stomp. Philo Stomp is a whole other conversation totally worthy of exploration.. but back to the point, Dick suggests there is a cache of Bear Reels that seem to not be indexed or included as vault shows but do exist, many of these from Fall 1972.

To quote Latvala from the hijacked Gans radio broadcast:

"I did go into Bear's Secret Stash and I did find a lot of fall '72 shows...."

This one's for you, HendrixFreak.

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Submitted by fourwindsblow on Tue, 11/08/2022 - 02:06

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Hey Jim good to see you too!

That is awesome!

I have a feeling that 46 might just be 10/24 with over an hour of 10/23 or it could be from July '74.

Edited: This supposed to be Dave's Picks 46

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Submitted by Forensicdoceleven on Tue, 11/08/2022 - 04:48

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Mornin', rockers................

A box without hinges, key, or lid, yet golden treasure inside is hid..............

It appears that a hidden treasure has recently leaked out---the Carousel shows from June 8 and 9, 1968. OK, it's fragmented, and incomplete, but it's choice primal Dead. Anybody who needs/wants, you know where to find me...........

One of Bear's fall 1972 recordings is already out----one of the Boston Music Hall shows from September. Excellent quality. So yes, those appear to be in there. Let's all sign the HF petition and get that Fall 72 box put out...........

Our treasure lies in the beehive of our knowledge. We are perpetually on the way thither, being by nature winged insects and honey gatherers of the mind........

Rock on,

Doc
If love is the treasure, laughter is the key.........

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Submitted by fourwindsblow on Tue, 11/08/2022 - 05:49

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If they found the missing reels from the November Texas run that would make a great box.

To turn one of these dead threads into the most exciting thing happening at dead.net. 43 seems like it could harbor safe discussions well past the required three-month expiration date. What a great Dave's Pick, seems like a cool place to freak freely.

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Submitted by fourwindsblow on Wed, 11/09/2022 - 02:39

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Welcome to the underground!

2/19/73 A++

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Submitted by JimInMD on Thu, 11/10/2022 - 17:01

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I'm in. Short show, apparently no first set.

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Submitted by fourwindsblow on Fri, 11/11/2022 - 01:44

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Hi Jim

Apparently that is all that they played NRPS opened, but what is there is played perfectly. I don't know if they have reels of this set as I think Dick said he only found cassettes. If there looking for a live one disk companion for release with Wake of the Flood 50th this gets my vote. ;-)

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Submitted by bluecrow on Fri, 11/11/2022 - 04:45

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4 Winds, Yes - I think 2/19 is missing some reels(?) in the vault. What circulates is indeed an A++ fantastic sequence. Also, Dead wore their Nudie Suits and there are good photos. I've wanted a whole show release miracle for years, just like DaP 6 2/2/70, where the missing reels got returned decades later. In the end a cleaned up one disc release of this gem would be awesome also if that's all they've got.

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Submitted by fourwindsblow on Fri, 11/11/2022 - 09:16

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Hey Bluecrow, that would be great if they did have a whole show to release everyone just sounds fantastic!

What we have on the archive is from master cassette recorded by Bear and they really sound great I could only imagine what the sbd reels sound like. They say Bear always recorded on reel to reel and cassette so it could be that they are in the newly opened Bear boxes.

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Submitted by JimInMD on Fri, 11/11/2022 - 09:35

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I caught this yesterday, thanks 4winds..

Archive dt Org has a user comment of someone that claims to have been there. He said the New Riders opened and the the GD only played one set. Not sure if it's true or not.. Phil was on this night, however.

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Submitted by fourwindsblow on Fri, 11/11/2022 - 12:05

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From right here on dead net.

International Amphitheatre February 19, 1973

My best show ever!! Worst seat in the house. New Riders were fun, first set was OK. Second set involved numerous trips to edge city and back. They wore the Nudie suits, but who cared!

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Submitted by JimInMD on Fri, 11/11/2022 - 13:34

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Interesting. Much of the time for shows that either didn't circulate or only circulated as partials, the setlists are inaccurate or incomplete and when the source tapes surface the setlists are amended. In other words.. goes to show you don't never know.

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Submitted by JimInMD on Sat, 11/12/2022 - 21:26

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pfffft.. ahhh.

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Submitted by icecrmcnkd on Sun, 11/13/2022 - 09:05

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Not on the list of returned reels.
Check the banana boxes.

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Submitted by JimInMD on Tue, 11/15/2022 - 15:08

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Oh.. were you looking for those reels? Sorry.. forgot to put them back. Now where did I put them.. hold this thought.

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Submitted by 1stshow70878 on Tue, 11/15/2022 - 15:21

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Fill me in again. Why is a Feb.1970 Fillmore East box not possible? Something about the Allmans, others being there too? Or is it that there's already some of that out there on Bear's Choice, Dick's 4.
Just noticed Dave dabbling into this on last week's Tapers selection of 2-11-70b (which has a Cumberland), the first 5 songs before the Allmans and Peter Green come on stage. Thanks and sorry if this has been covered already.
Cheers

It's been discussed.. but it's a big fat head scratcher. If they released the whole thing, uncut in order it would get gobbled up. As for the guests.. I can't see anyone on either side putting up a fuss at this point. Most of them are dead now anyway... and the ones that are alive, at least on the GD side wouldn't get fussy about it.

It could be how to cut the pie and split the profits or perhaps incompetence? I don't know. ....or as Mr. Burns would say, "Smithers.. release the reels"

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Submitted by fourwindsblow on Wed, 11/16/2022 - 02:42

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I've been thinking for a while about a dueling West meets East, Fillmore box. February '70 would be great if the missing reels have been found.

Bear's taping run came to an end in 1970. After the New Orleans bust, the Fillmore East shows in February were the last ones Bear could tape out-of-state, as he was confined to California after that. The Dead apparently kept taping themselves until June - Bob Matthews became the soundman and taped several shows we know of that May (5/1, 5/2, 5/14, 5/15), and probably many of their other spring shows as well. Presumably the Fillmore West tapes up to June are Bear's work. The last shows he recorded were at San Rafael in July '70, before going off to prison.

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Submitted by fourwindsblow on Fri, 11/18/2022 - 05:12

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peel back those banana boxes I'm running low on potassium!

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Submitted by JimInMD on Sun, 11/20/2022 - 07:32

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I suspect lots of fall 72 and other early recorded stuff just might surface one day.

If so.. it's amazing to me that still, after 50 years, some of these ancient reels are finally making their way either back to the vault or into the hands of Lemieux, Norman and the folks at Plangent.

And before we cast off into subjects unknown, what ever became of the returned Mountain Girl reels? No one even knows what they are, no information is available on these other than we know they exist.

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Submitted by fourwindsblow on Tue, 11/22/2022 - 02:12

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On the end of Dave's 2023 sub's video he says "gotta go proof two shows" I think it's DaP 46 he was talking about he also said that the "Bonus disc will compliment the main part of the release." Two shows from fall '72 is my guess (10/23 and 24 would be great) no sbds of these two shows which would be great for subscription sales. These two shows have a lot of the same songs in the first set to me these songs are played better on the 24th so no need for the two full show's to be released.

Happy Thanksgiving!

I always wondered why (with two exceptions), the rest of this mini tour went unreleased. The same could be said with the same time of the year 1973.

I feel some of these shows are already queued or at least in the running.

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Submitted by daverock on Sat, 11/26/2022 - 04:20

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My normal practice these days is to play new releases once, and then put them on the shelf to be rediscovered at a later date. But that has gone out of the window with this release . I keep getting drawn back to it. This must mean that it is my favourite release of the last 5 years or so.

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Submitted by 1stshow70878 on Wed, 11/30/2022 - 07:13

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The Family Dog at the Great Highway, S.F., CA.
2-27-1970
2-28-1970
3-01-1970
Hmm... just thinkin'. Mini-box?
Cheers

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Submitted by 1stshow70878 on Wed, 11/30/2022 - 07:14

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Dbl. post.
But since I'm here,
30 days was fun this year.
Cheers

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Submitted by JimInMD on Wed, 11/30/2022 - 10:10

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We know Bear was able to and did tape shows in California for much of 1970. Prior to trial & sentencing etc., California was fair game.

Dave has played a few segments from the Fall 1979 tour lately in Today in GD History yesterday being 11/29/79 Cleveland Public Hall. He was hyping up the performances and recordings from this tour, commenting something to the effect that there were several of these shows considered for release, spelling out Pittsburgh in addition to the Cape Cod show included in 30 trips. He added there are a few in this tour that are releasable, and he wouldn't be surprised to see some of these get selected perhaps sooner rather than later.

All this seems in line with subscription picks in recent years. Life is good.

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Submitted by JimInMD on Mon, 01/16/2023 - 23:41

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Blooming Awful

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Submitted by jonathan918@GD on Sat, 04/01/2023 - 07:11

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When first released I only listened once or twice (life was busy at the time) However, I have spent some quality time with 43 the last couple of days. It's funny how sometimes you play a pick that's been on the shelf awhile only to realize, holy smokes, this baby is a keeper!!

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