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October 24, 2022 - 8:54am

#1331

proudfoot

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Mixes

One thing about audience recordings...not a lot of mix issues.

Like 10 6 80.

High energy with no political commentary filler.
October 24, 2022 - 8:46am

#1332

narutlee

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Mixes

With all these talks of sound mixes. 2 tracks and so on. Wonder if it's financially feasible for GD to employ the "AI" technology that was used on The Beatles "Get Back" movie and the upcoming "Revolver" remix. As I understand it, a technology was used to separate out different parts of the sound so they can be mix separately, which no one could do before because of the "tracks" limitation. For example, if brent, bobby, and phil were all recorded on one track - the original mix (how loud each instrument was in the mix) is it, it's all we got. If the keyboard is drowning out everything else, there's no way to fix it no matter how many times anyone remaster it, because that's the master! But I believe this new technology can separate each instrument out to its own track, and then they can be remix and give us a more balanced sound.

I guess it's depend on how much more we're willing to pay to employ this tech!
October 24, 2022 - 8:39am

#1333

Oroborous

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In other words

There is nothing anyone can do about changing the levels of individual instruments on these recordings.
What Mickey or whomever was doing was helping with remastering, which is something completely different.

And really, I’ve heard and read Bobbie clearly stating that “we’ve all been asleep too long” and even more straight up political call to get involved before it’s too late. Yes nobody likes this, but that’s how fucked up it’s getting.
I mean how desperate do things have to get before it’s ok to mention uncomfortable stuff?
So just keep burying your head in the sand and soon we won’t be allowed to talk like this at all!
The futures here, we are it, we are on our own!
October 24, 2022 - 8:28am

#1334

Oroborous

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Strangestofplaces

and others.
For the eighteenth time: these are not professionally recorded multi track recordings!!
They were NEVER intended to be released!
They are 2 channel (stereo) tapes that were produced by Dan Healy as a tool to help him with his work.
That work was to make the band sound good live in concert, not your living room!
Consequently, sometimes the mix might not make sense in your living room. I,e., if the stage instruments are really loud, the mixer won’t need to boost as much through the PA. Thus, those instruments might not seem loud enough on the tape, or in your living room. Furthermore, the first song is always unbalanced, sometimes it takes a good chunk of the first set, as the mix is dependent on how loud or quiet the signal sent by the musician is: if Jerry hasn’t turned up yet, then he won’t seem loud enough. During the first song the mixer is mostly trying to get the vocals going, and bringing the overall levels up, so he’s not going to worry about messing with JGs level too much knowing that JG will turn himself up when he wants to. When you mix the same band all the time, you don’t turn all the knobs back to zero after each show, you leave things generally where they are (or will you know they’ll need to be) and then fine tune the next night as needed. Basically, he sets levels approximately where they’ll end up and let’s the band grow into them if you will.
With Beatty boards etc, there was a dedicated person, who was able to create a mix specifically for making a recording, unfortunately later on the tapes were not made like this so sometimes they have more noticeable anomalies.
Since this is baked into the 2 track only tape, THERE IS NO WAY TO FIX IT!
It is what it is, caveat emptor as these releases used to clearly warn!

Now it it was a multitrack tape (meaning most instruments have their own channel on the tape which can be individually modified later on, and something was disproportionately low in the release mix, THEN you’d have a point, but since it’s only a 2 channel tape made as an afterthought, not intended for release, you have to take it or leave it.

OFF TOPIC: really DR, your going to criticize about that? The guy who usually talks about anything BUT GD?
I mean no offense but if some of us have to hear about Hawkwind again we’re gonna puke!
October 24, 2022 - 8:23am

#1335

Angry Jack Straw

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Political Comments

Please keep them off the board. Despite what was said earlier, the GD was not a political band. Very much to the contrary. Encouraging people to vote is not being political.

Let's keep our comments to the poor sound/mix quality of the MSG box.

Thank you.
October 24, 2022 - 8:01am

#1336

1stshow70878

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The Mix

When the Dick's Picks were coming out, likely still the ones Dick picked, I remember hearing that Mickey was helping the crew with the remastering-mixing. It made sense because I've always thought they were a bit drum heavy. It is still that way but not to the degree that's as noticeable. Plus I've changed equipment now so maybe that's all it was to begin with.
Did my civic duty yesterday. Colorado has been vote by mail for years now thank goodness. But I don't get the cool sticker that says I voted.
Cheers, let's go out and make it a good one.
October 24, 2022 - 7:51am

#1337

PT Barnum

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happened to me

just got censored by MSN and Microsoft for agreeing with, shall we say, patriots, who stated the truth about what is going down. It's already happening and let's hope they stay away from this site.
October 24, 2022 - 7:47am

#1338

PT Barnum

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Strange...

I concur with your statement ie Jerry. I wonder if Jer was alive, if these remasters would sound different? I think the remaining members might be an influence. For sure, I don't have any knowledge of that being said anywhere, just wondering?
October 24, 2022 - 7:45am

#1339

Oroborous

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Desperate Times…

…call for desperate measures.
Make sure you vote or we soon might not be allowed to, and what we do here might not be allowed either…
October 24, 2022 - 7:34am

#1340

Strang3stofplaces

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Jerry low in the mix

From the listening party Stranger, it sounds like Jerry is kind of buried in the mix, and absolutely not the first time I've heard that on a remastered release. Take the slipknot from 10/12/83 off the recent box, for example. Not sure if I'm the only one who feels like this, but isn't a lead guitar supposed to "lead"? Obviously I understand the whole ethos of the Dead's music, that they were going for a more united sound, but it seems kind of detractive for Bob's "rhythm" notes to be overshadowing Jerry's lines. I understand that Norman mixes the remaster democratically, but again, what's a lead guitar for if not for the spotlight? I read once that Norman doesn't raise Jerry's levels on any remaster because "he was already loud enough", but if you're normalizing the levels across the board, he just gets lost in the fray. Another thing I wanna point out is that Jerry wasn't the leader of the grateful dead, he always made a point of shying away from that, but let's be honest, who was the one people deified when he was alive and more so after he passed? Shouldn't that be somewhat reflected in the remastering? I just feel that Jerry's leads should be overpowering and yet, I've got the volume turned up as much as I can without sacrificing fidelity just to hear what he was playing, and even then, I've gotta really focus on him for that. Anyway, rant over, just thought I'd share my two cents. Not even sure if this is the right place to do so, despite it being the forum for Dave's 44, as the subject matter tends to talk about nearly anything but the release itself. The grateful dead were always a political band, to be sure, but it'd be great if these forums could try to focus on the music, reddit does exist after all.

Thanks and I'm really not trying to be a d**k with the ending there

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Vguy and the splinters

You saw the remake of Pinocchio?

They changed the theme song to "Love is a many splintered thing"

....this was a totally fucked up movie. But in a really weird, almost unsettling, but creative way. I had no idea what I was getting into when I watched it for the first time like 5 years ago. I sort of didn't no how to react to it....part awe, part fascination, big doses of squeamishness, a lot of eerie moments. Not for the faint of heart, but yes if you like shit that is totally off the wall. At this time, I'm not even sure what this movie was about in recollection, other than these images and feelings it conjures when I think about it.

Sixtus

Creature Double Feature……

Every Saturday afternoon at 1 pm on Channel 56 out of Boston. Loved those old school, campy horror flicks. The Wasp Woman, Invisible Man, Creature from the Black Lagoon and all the other classic misfits.

Those were the days. Just remember to adjust your UHF antenna appropriately!

Charles Theatre- now that…

Charles Theatre- now that brings back memories..they'd have themed events and J. Waters and Divine would make an appearance when his films would show...fog is lifting

Next up?....

....Rob Zombies The Devils Rejects. That's a good one.
His Munsters remake though? Don't waste your time.
Stay with what you're good at Rob. Which is gore. Not family friendly drivel.
Regarding old school, campy films, Mystery Science Theater 3000 does a good job making fun of them 👍.

The horror....the horror

Nappy - that must have been great, to see Black Sunday at the cinema when you were young. Features the luminescent Barbara Steele as well.
It's selling Eraserhead short a bit, referring to it as a "horror film". It doesn't really fit into any genre. None that I am aware of anyway. I don't think the plot is actually that important. More of a mood - a waking nightmare that defies logic.
Suspiria is a bit like that. Some amazing set pieces, incredible over saturated colour and a great soundtrack by the Italian prog rock group Goblin. There is no need to try and follow what's going on - its just a real feast for the senses.

Dennis-they have some great B movies on British TV at the moment too. The Last one I saw was a William Castle film called "Homicidal." 15 minutes before the end they had what they called a "fright break" so if anybody found the film too much, they could leave, and be seen by a nurse in the foyer in case they were at risk of having a heart attack!

Svengoolie

On Me-TV maybe out of Chicago as he calls Berwin home.
Every week has all the cornball 50s sci-fi and humorous ones too.
Great selection but as it's on every week lots of repeats.
He avoids the gory stuff but you have to put up with really bad jokes, skits, and rubber chickens flying. I think the 50 ft. woman one was on a couple months ago. (We caught that car switch too Dennis!) Last Sat night he did Bride of Frankenstein. She's a hotty with that hair, LOL. And "just a little nervous from the fall" to bring it back to the Dead.
Cheers
Edit: The "store" weirdness continues. Just got an email from someone named Mac at support about my order status inquiry but I never placed any inquiry. Says my order went through and gave me the same order number I already had, so I guess it's all good even if confusing.

Berywn outside of…

Berywn outside of philadelphia

Is chicago.

Berwyn

Yes, there's one in Illinois too.
His accent is a dead giveaway as well.
Cheers

Lynch

Agree, not his best work but Eraserhead came early in his career and was made with almost no budget. I think he was pretty much an unknown when it came out.

I read somewhere it was inspired by his experience having his first child and how weird/strange/whatever being a new parent can be.

This and the Wall have to be the worst moves to see on acid. Not speaking from experience but I know it's been done. I was with somebody that saw The Wall dosed. Didn't seem like a good idea to me.

Gorge 98

Holy Crap! I just read vguy's post about the new Phish box. I had just moved to Seattle a year earlier, and everyone said "gotta see the Gorge" So I took a chance on Phish who I had never seen before but obviously knew about. These shows are legendary, I just didn't know it at the time.

Legendary Gorge shows....

....those were probably my 12th or 13th shows and I knew during the setbreak of the second night that we were witnessing something special. Then that second set of the second night started. Even my wife was like, "WOW!!!", and she was just a casual phan. Plus. The camping scene was stuff legends are made of.
Top shelf Phish.
Saw them there in '97 also, sans girlfriend/now wife. The only times I've been there. Need to go back one day.
After those shows. We drove south and saw the Shoreline show and the Ventura show, which is also officially released. The band was en fuego that year.
Now, my wife could care less about Phish. I think I overdosed her on them.

Can't get order thru for Dave's Picks...

Is it only me? I tried last night and again this morning to order the 2023 series, and when I enter all info and click on Buy Now, nothing happens, except a red do not enter circle is over Buy Now when I move the mouse over it Help?

Got the notice...

that mine is on the way...also Revolver deluxe on the way. And the World Series starts tomorrow. What to do, what to do. Well, I just saw a Falcon 9 blast off from Vandenberg a few minutes ago, and I'm about to dig into 9/21/82 with some super silver haze. Saw Nick Mason's Saucer Full of Secrets last night. The tour ends in Oakland tomorrow and then Seattle. Go if you can! AAAAHHHOOOO

I've heard grate things about Mason's band....

....and Big Brownie just solidified it.
Saw that Revolver release. Expensive.
$110 on Amazon for 5 discs?
I love The Beatles. First music I ever got into, but damn. Laughs in Phish.
Actually. I unintentionally lied. My first music was K-Tel records. I was 8.

Thank you DCMVT

The 10% off code worked for my Dave's 2023 subscription just now. (I didn't have any of the problems other folks have mentioned with submitting the order, but I ordered as a "guest".)
And, I received my DaP 44 shipping notice this morning.

aikon

sshhhh.. it's on the downlow. But we all love Vermont

$110 for Revolver?

preposterous.

On the flipside....

....Brownie got to watch a Falcon 9 launch live. And then super silver haze.
We have Wedding Cake down here.
So even I say.
Regarding the WS, I don't like either team. So to hockey I will probably go.
9.21.82 is really good.

Less is more

I like a 45 minute Playin' as much as the next man but sometimes less is more. My wife's playing one of her favourite albums, The Boy With The Arab Strap by Belle and Sebastian, at the moment. The track Simple Things comes in at 1 minute 44 seconds and it's absolutely perfect. It's a good record, give it a listen.

Empty Mailbox

Remember when they tried to deliver them on the release date? It actually happened once.

Nick - Short

If you like them short and sweet check out The Residents' "Commerical" album,,, all songs are 1 minute long. Great album.

Short little ditties....

....may I suggest the classic release, Speak English Or Die by The Stormtroopers Of Death. Or SOD as the cool kids call them.

poetry, FZ, VT

Glad to read the discount code is working, hope many might use it, it probably works for WMG to sell more product anyway. Too bad now is unlike back in the day when individual Europe 72 shows, Road Trips and more music from archives readily available here. Nick1234, good to see your post hope all goes well in Shetland. Sent a PM a while back but it might not have got through, regarding an anthology of Scottish Island poetry found, which seems excellent: "These Islands, We Sing". Great to see Gaelic language in verse, even if indecipherable as English is usually provided as well. Hearing Gaelic spoken is something else, know local dialect in Shetland is much influenced by Norwegian effects. Had first disc listen to Zappa '75 yesterday, two stop tour of communist Yugoslavia, Zagreb and Ljubljana. Its a bit rough for an official release, particularly some saturated vocals, but so historic... Frank's guitar work is outstanding and Terry Bozio, what a drummer. Since Vermont has been outed (thanks Jim!), notes for anyone heading this way, most of fall foliage color has hit the ground, ski season is just around the corner at the big mountains and the launch of retail cannabis is very typically super slow, growers were licensed a bit late and this being a small craft oriented place. Check Heady Vermont on line for details. New Hampster is now surrounded by states with retail and trying to figure out how to sell more booze, with no sales tax, their major revenue stream.

NH Rocks!

DMCVT - I will concur, Vermont is a beautiful state, I have always enjoyed the sights. You mention New Hampshire, too, and I recall a family vacation on the NH shore in the 60s that was remarkable. My father made a really big deal of going by “The Old Man of the Mountain”, which was quite neat to see, then, and the times I saw it since (until it’s collapse, of course). The parents were big on Cape Cod for summer vacations, and we had family in Quincy (still do), so New England was a terrific place to visit, absolutely beautiful. Real nice folks, too! Thanks for the reminder of that memory!

Oro - If you are not charming the ladies of Colorado, or working hard/hardly working, please check your PM.

Dennis at the Blue Note

Dennis: Blue Note Records has a big Halloween sale on now, some pretty spooktacular (sorry, couldn’t resist) savings on vinyl. Might be worth a look.

DMCVT

Sorry for not replying to your PM, I never check them, and sorry to Daverock too. That anthology looks well worth looking into, thanks. Life here in Shetland is idyllic at the moment but winter's coming 😁. The Shetland accent/dialect is beautiful. Our closest neighbour's family has lived in the same house since 1854 and though I love to hear him speak I probably understand about half of what he says to me. I seem to nod and smile in the right places though 😀. The old Shetland language was Norn but the last speaker died in about 1850.

and that large sucking sound...

Ok, I ordered the Zappa 75 from Amazon, then I saw a good price on whippets (600 for under 200). By the time I got to the Blue Note Collection my wife was out of money. So Blue Note another day.

God this site could break a brother.

Looks like next week a lot will be pouring in.

Messages

I've checked my messages for the first time here and I see there are messages that I haven't replied to dating back to 2009. Sorry everyone. Is there a way to be notified when a message is received?

Nick1234....

....not that I know of.

GarciaLive19…….

Is in the house, and no, I didn’t order from Amazon. Musictoday got it here right on time and it sounds mighty fine. Just wrapping up the first set now.

You folks have great taste! + MSG box

Love me some SOD and Scott Ian.

"I woke up, can't wait to eat
Got my cereal; boy, was I beat
Opened the fridge, and to my dismay
There was no milk; my mother will pay"

Glad to report there's no pitch issues on any of the MSG box shows, speed is right on. Bob shows up for the '83 shows. Some really good stuff in there, notwithstanding Jerry's voice in 82/83

RIP Jerry Lee Lewis

Another original gone. Goodness Gracious.

Revolver and Stuff

The deluxe CD set is 25 bucks plus shipping.

I Like Wedding Cake, too.

Jerry Lee Lewis? Honestly, he had to be the oldest living rock 'n roller.

Mike

Nothing new PM box, just one from 10/25 about tracking etc?
Quincy? Isn’t Carlo from around there?
My ole man’s peeps are from Maaaablehead

The Killer, I’d say rip but I’m not sure he’d know how lol

Oro

You say that your grandparents are from Marblenoggin?

a toast to JLL

he's gone

and now, because I am irked at my bitter, I mean, better half...

I demand the artwork for these Davez be something more mature than cartoons and silly crap.

Hear me now and believe me later, I will be heard. If I don't get my way, I will boycott! Boycott, I say!

Cousins knows of SOD!!...

....as Darth Vader would say, "impressive".
The 5 disc Revolver is $25? Where are you finding this?

Miscellaneous

Oro - No, that’s the one, I wasn’t sure you had seen it, all good. So your Dad hails from Mass? Nice area. Saw my first (only) shark off the Cape while on a deep sea fishing trip there. A fantastic holiday place for a kid back then, no idea now.

Dennis - Blue Note generally aligns their biggie sales around major holidays, so I would expect a big sale as Thanksgiving approaches. Sure, the prices won’t be as spooktacular….(I’ll stop. Right after Halloween…)

SOD/MOD - JLL

Gotta' love Billy Milano - not for the faint of heart though. Anthrax was a great live band!

Jerry Lee and the Dead shared a few covers: CC Rider, Me & Bobbie McGee, Lovelight, Seasons of my Heart, Green Green Grass of Home, Rockin' Pneumonia, You Win Again, Muddy Waters, and more...

Revolver CD

is a 2 disc set for 25 bucks, and it's called deluxe. The LP complete is like 200 dollars

Correction....

....Anthrax is STILL a great live band. Saw them open for Slayer a few years ago. Slayer played the complete Reign In Blood album 🤘.
Sadly, they are no more.

Anthrax - Revolver

Didn't know Anthrax was still around; saw them in '87 during the Among the Living tour, great show. Caught Slayer a year later for the South of Heaven tour. Tons of great Thrash shows in the Bay Area then, hard to keep up with on top of the Dead and more.

The 5 CD Revolver is $109, vinyl, 7 EPs Half Speed masters is $188 on the Amazons. Don't think it ever needed remastering, but the outtakes would be nice.

Last 3:
GD 9-20-82
GD 10-11-83
GD 10-12-83
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