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  • estimated-eyes
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    The sitting down or standing up at shows is a vexing issue. Pretty much every show I went to until the mid-2010s was a stand-up affair. Dancing or not, when the band was on the stage, most of the audience was out of their seats. The first time I ran into the issue in a significant way was at a Tedeschi Trucks Band show at the Morris Theater in South Bend, IN in 2016. I went solo and scored a 4th row ticket on Trucks side on the aisle. Looking around as I took my seat, I read the crowd as a sitting crowd, but I got up plenty and made myself as inconspicuous as possible (tough being over 6') in the aisle, but most folks stayed sitting throughout. After their main set, they come out and they are tuning up and a lady from the center yells, "Can we get up and dance?" Susan told us we could do what we wanted, get up and dance, sit, whatever. They proceeded to play a Bitches Brew jam that seriously melted my face, though I was probably one of only 10 people in the crowd who knew what they were playing.

    On the other end of the spectrum was a Phish show on Northerly Island in Chicago about 2012 or so. This was a GA show in a largely undeveloped field on this island. The night previous they had the set abbreviated by a big storm and promised a three set show this night. First set rocks and they go into break and think I can sit down and rest (I was in my 40s at this point in time) for the next set. Nope, Phish fans were constantly jostling for position, bumping me, stepping on me. After the 2nd set, I figure folks must be tired and want to sit down-- nope, more jostling. I have not attended a Phish show since-- if I can't sit down at set break, that is f-ed up.

    I am of the mind, let folks do what they want to do, like Susan said. Sit, stand, dance, whatever makes you happy. But, also let folks do what they want to do. Now, if you are a sitter, that may mean you are not going to have a good view for the show if the person in front is a dancer/stander, but that is the trade-off. At TTB this summer in Aurora, IL, it was a sitting crowd, so I went with that, however, when I did get up and explore, the sound was considerably better from a standing position.

  • daverock
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    Great watching Croatia knock Brazil out of the World Cup earlier today. Those Brazilian players are the worst behaved of any I have seen recently. The white haired ones seemed the worst. Fouling as often as possible, pretending to be fouled themselves, crying when they lost. What a shower. You wouldn't want to be standing behind them at a gig.

    Seeing your name reminds me, Colin, I may order that new King Crimson box before Christmas.

  • Colin Gould
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    Another book

    It’s dangerous to browse the internet. I was looking for some other stuff and ‘The Lyrics of Syd Barrett’ appeared on the screen. I couldn’t resist it. It apparently came out last year but I missed it.

  • billy the kiddd
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    "What's Become of the Baby"

    "Waves of violet go crashing and laughing. The rainbow winged singing birds fly round the sun. Sun bells rain down in a liquid profusion. Mermaids on porpoises draw up the dawn. What's Become of the Baby this cold December morning?"

  • Cousins Of The…
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    Obnoxious show goer

    Does anyone remember Allison?

  • Vguy72
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    33 years ago today....

    ....the Grateful Dead played The Forum in LA. Spencer Davis and Bruce Hornsby sat in.
    It's a grate show.

  • hendrixfreak
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    Nice-ness = good

    Nitecate you found the formula for making friends and influencing neighbors: asking nicely. A genuine smile and a look directly into someone's eyes often does the trick in modifying annoying behaviors. Unfortunately for me, there are certain lines in my face that I cannot hide, so I hope to distract with eye contact and a big smile. I can do that at least twice a year.

    Oro -- I'm on the mend. Had a 9-day follow-up today with a fresh EKG, exam of my entry wounds by a very nice looking young woman, and fresh advice on taking it easy another 20 days, with six meds per day (some twice) so I have something to do.

    Interestingly, and it's a bummer, that my local Dead Hippie Brewing is closing, so we're headin' there tonight as on most Thursday nights for an open mic gathering. The owners, Dean and Cheryl, are about as nice as you get and their hospitality and vibe has been infectious. You can walk in anytime, talk to anyone, hang, make friends and on Thursdays play your ass off and everyone is grooving on the great beer selection and the parking lot scene. Sound familiar? I often play Pigpen tunes and that automatically gets a rise out 'o the crowd, tunes like Easy Wind, Mr. Charlie, Operator, Big Boss Man (okay, Jimmy Reed ala Ron McKernan), I think there's others... oh yeah, Alligator acoustic (try it, it's actually a children's song when done sing-song acoustic).

    Poncho -- do you know the Setlist Program? It could be the source material for your Xcel spreadsheet, but you'd have to do data entry for 2,000 shows. We hardly knew ye when ye dropped off the face of the Earth...........

  • nitecat
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    HF - obnoxious show goers

    HF, your story reminds me of a time at a Dead show. We were up front in our space and next to me was a large woman in a very furry sweater. Furry like prickly almost. And she kept rubbing my bare arm with her prickly sweater. Very annoying. I had to ask her nicely to move further away from me.

  • nitecat
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    Poncho - Deadbase Jr.

    Poncho, there used to be a little softcover pocketbook called Deadbase Jr. It had every known show and setlists. Not so overwhelming as the oversize Deadbase, but from the same people. Not a spreadsheet, but easy to deal with. Don't think it's published anymore. You might pick up one on ebay.

  • Mr. Ones
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    VGUY/1STSHOW

    C'mon VGUY, if I knew that was YOU, I'd have no problem with you dancing in front of me, just tell the other 26 people to get the H*LL out of my sightline!!

    1STSHOW, LOVE the critters!! My experience with trying to capture good photos is to make sure my phone is ALWAYS nearby. The best shots I have only lasted for seconds before it would have been too late.
    For the record, I like Hobbes (with an E), and Big Boy Pete!! Lots of possible nicknames with those 2.

    Not sure what to do, so I think I'll listen to some music. It's the Best!!

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Those of us in Blighty don't get full tracking even when you sign up to UPS.The reason being is that they are sent economy post, and they do not track the item, from leaving the USA.
However you do get false emails from UPS when an expensive box set is ordered,and you pay over the odds on postage.

BTK... seems like we were at alot of the same shows in the early 80's .... I will never forget Halloween at the BCT ... it was all the heads dressed in costumes that made the shows, although "Halloween Space" was pretty trippy as I recall. And I missed the BBQ, dammit! Maybe next time ............tc

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The ones with meandering intros are the best. :-)

I am dabbling in June 76. 6-11 to be specific. But, 6-9 is another grate one...

We get the Bean sound again in Dec. 78. 12-17 has an Eyes of the World, but it's minus a real long intro...

P.S. Crosswalks

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the Grateful Dead were the greatest band ever, there, ok.

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The GD is the Dark Star at the center of this galaxy.

Sometimes we go to solar systems, planets, moons, etc. in our bizarre galaxy. Vacations, rants, joys, whatevers, hockey teams, trolls, und so weiter.

Just scroll past the stuff you don't want to read, and read the stuff you do want to read.

Keep on orbiting the Dark Star, y'all, and share what you will.

God bless us, everyone, and God bless the GD.

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Check one of the other active discussion boards.

This board is open mic night.

Red Wings started good……

DaP44 departed Fontana, due Tuesday.

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Bi-Curious George

A comet: Buoy the mascot.. WTF.

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not follow Deedee. What would YOU like to talk about?

Ya see many of us have been talking too much about the GOGD for so long that we’ve covered a lot of ground, and well, like a big family we discuss, or fight, about all kinds of things, but if you start a good GD topic, someone will most certainly reply…

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Those 1984 BCT shows were a lot of fun. I'm surprised you didn't see me , I was the guy with the long hair and a very cool tie dye t shirt. I bought the tie dye t shirt along with a very cool Rick Griffin poster outside at the very first show. I bet there were a lot of other folks who post on this forum that were also at those shows. Anyway, good to hear from you, have a great day and a great Holloween.

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over on the 2023 DaP Subscription page this morning between TimP and Keithfan. Things I didn't know about Keith and the keyboards he played and when.
Ya just gotta poke around DD.
Cheers
My 44 now tracking, due Wed.

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send me a PM with the details and I'll get the Doc on the case and also alert the tech folks that all is not as it should be.

As it turns out, I put the "ass" in asteroid this time.

I entered the wrong expiration date. A 5 looked like a 3. DERP.

"Got two good eyes but I still don't see."

Mea culpa, Marye.

I apologize for acting like a grumpy old man, Marye. How do you tolerate monitoring us?

Wait, I AM a grumpy old man.

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Ahoy, maties, 44 is shipped! Supposedly. Now comes the part where the post office doesn't know where it is for about 4-5 days, and then it takes another 4-5 to meander across California, as if traveling via dosed coyotes, and I'll get my copy about a week from now. Whatever. I'm used to it by now.

The Revolver deluxe edition sure looks a money grab. You get 5 discs: a new remix, a mono mix, two "sessions" discs of outtakes and demos and whatnot, and then a disc with nothing but mono and stereo versions of Paperback Writer and Rain. Now, Revolver is only about 35 minutes long, so the remix AND mono versions PLUS the Paperback Writer and Rain tracks could've all fit on ONE disc. Talk about "milking it."

The thing is, I wouldn't mind hearing the remix. The original stereo mix has always been a problem; there's way too much stereo panning, The mono mix is great, but it doesn't do justice to the swirling psychedelia of Tomorrow Never Knows. So I may have to break down and get the two disc version, which has the new stereo mix (all 35 minutes of it) on one disc, and then a disc out of outtakes. I think I've probably bought that record at least 5-6 times now, since getting that first copy from K-Mart for I think $1.99 back in the Pleistocene Era.

Good on you guys for remembering Steps Ahead! I'm a tenor sax player, so I'm obsessed with all things Michael Brecker (who was really The Guy on tenor after Coltrane) so I've got all the Steps records that he was on. I actually like them better than the Brecker Bros, whose studio recordings often suffer from overly slick production, IMO. (Though the live recordings are great!) Those first few Steps records with MB, especially Smokin in the Pit, are really really good.

Just listened to DaP 25. I do this a lot, where they announce a new release, and I get excited about it, but it's months before it's going to come, and so I listen to whatever GD I've got that's from the same tour to tide me over. So after they announced the Portland shows from October '77, I pulled out this gem (from a couple weeks later). Man, that has got to be one of the great first sets ever! Second ain't bad, either.

And speaking of baseball ... (OK, more like, "since nobody is speaking of baseball"): what an amazing World Series opener last night! Houston gets off to a 5-0 lead, had Verlander on the mound (a pitcher who was 99-0 in games in which he led by 5 runs), and the Phillies somehow come back and win 6-5. If I can't have my Giants in the post season, I can at least enjoy the schadenfreude of an epic upset win over the Trashtros.

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Sonic genus and amazing to listen to. Sounds unbelievable…

No comment on costs….

But it’s f’ing Revolver! Just saying…

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That was one of the best baseball games I've ever seen last night. They were playing Grateful Dead music going into the commercial breaks, Throwing Stones and Foolish Heart.

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just got a signed copy of Ken Babbs' new book Cronies Adventures with Ken Kesey, Neal Cassady, The Merry Pranksters and the Grateful Dead. Reviews looks like fun, more Dead tales.

Revolver release haven't heard it yet but looks good, It's The Beatles and it's Revolver. nuff said.
Last 5:
America 1st lp
Alan Parsons Project Tales of Mystery and Imagination
Pink Floyd Wish You Were Here MFSL Original Master Recording
Grateful Dead 3-24-95 Set 2
Moody Blues On the Threshold of a Dream
Steve Miller Band Book of Dreams Original Master Recording
Beatles Revolver Original Master Recording let's see if the new release will sound as good as this one.
jumping all over the place today.

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Got Dave's # 44 and Revolver box set today and I am a big Phillies Fan Big day to listen and Watch

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Just back from a wonderful vacation on the Oregon coast. Watched a ton of hockey on TV.

Ya know, when I eat pork chops, I never let the mashed potatoes touch the chops OR the string beans. It just doesn't seem right.

I hear there's a World Series going on. Cool. More hockey. Planning next year's vacation, even now. And though I don't care about hockey, I think I'll just start watching a ton of it.

And then commenting here in detail on every single game. With breaks to discuss how to avoid having my mashed potatoes touch my pork chops.

Okay, I get the joke. "DeeDee" is actually Bobby Weir, but he done yanked his own chain a leetle too hard.

....I also don't like my food touching each other. In fact. I usually spin my plate around and eat the offerings one at a time.
The Wild/Red Wings game just started and Minnesota scored a minute and a half in. Muted of course. Dave's 42 on the stereo.
Detroit misses Yzerman. At least on the ice. He is their GM after all. Spent all 22 years with them. You hardly see that in any sport anymore.
I see heads are getting their Autzen's already. Sweet!!
Just checked my mailbox. No Dave's. But five political fliers. All the Republican ones just parrot each other regarding how they/you/me can help stop the steal by voting for them and nothing else. No plan. Luckily, my trash bin is just feet away from my mailbox.
Time for a beer.

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Great choice for a release. Jerry’s very inspired all night long, with an uplifting edge to every note played during the marathon second set. Massive versions of Eyes, Uncle John’s Band, Miracle, and Dew. The drum loops in the percussion segment is one of the trippiest ever.

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See article from Rolling Stone “Jerry Garcia's Lost Pipe Has Been Found After 30 Years -- and It Still Smells Like Weed” on the internet.
Amusing.

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Vocals almost inaudible buuuut you can hear lots of instrumentation

Worth at least one listen in your lifetime

Can't read article no subscription

I'm sure that pipe is kinda nasty

PF - That’s odd you cannot get the article, because I don’t subscribe to that magazine either, it just came up on my news feed, but the article has been picked up by dozens of outlets.
The pipe appears to have been made by the one and only Owsley Stanley, driven by only one owner - Jerry - and lost for many years behind a bed at Merl Saunders home. It is a cool looking thing, and as Owsley designed jewelry, quite unique!
I hope you can find it, at least the pics of it.

You’re welcome.
It’s a cool looking pipe, isn’t it? I never owned one that fancy, I chose function over style, but I had buddies with some pretty elaborate ones. More like art pieces. Even the boxes they kept them in were more intricate than anything I had, almost like they were ceremonial.

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That Mike, that's a good story about Garcia's pipe.

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for Jerry, how cool. They really did love each other. Tractors

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Stanley was a man of great talent and vision, and we all reap the benefits of his sonic acumen still.
Glad you all liked the article.

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Excellent show with a killer Dancing in the Streets, possibly the best Cassidy I've heard, stellar Let it Grow and superb Scarlet/Fire. Ran into Billy the Kidd there, he borrowed my comb and never returned it, dammit!! Regardless, this show would make a great pick.

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the pipe or the cool logos Rhoney Stanley, Owsley's ex, carved into it.
The reclining cat from Cat's Down Under on the bottom of the bowl.
The crouching tiger from Jerry's guitar on the front of the bowl.
Wonder how much Steve Cabella had to give for it?
Says it needs to be seen but not just in some pot museum.
And no one will be smoking it, he says, that was Jerry's job.
Obviously priceless!
Cheers

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Cousins, thanks for the comb, I still have it. Its s an ACE, its a beauty.

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You CAN hear three guitars

No drums or keys

An odd one. Worth a check after you have heard everything else.

Article...will pursue furthur. Get it? Furthur? Haha...ha...lame.

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It's a Betty Board of their set opening for the GD in London, May 26 [guess the year]

The band is tight, Marmaduke's vocals are pretty disciplined, the setlist is fun, the show fills an 80 minute disc and Betty's recording is her usual stellar stuff.

Great band! Caught 'em a few times in '72-'73, with the GD and without. Great fun. "Highly" recommended.

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38 years ago today,( you know where I was at). along with Cousins and alot of other great folks who post on this forum, the BCT, for a rocking night with the Good old Grateful Dead. This was my favorite show of the whole run, but they all were great! After the show, we stopped at Everett & Jones BBQ down on San Pablo Ave for some great bbq. My brother saw Rock Scully in Everett & Jones after a Dead Greek show one night, probably picking up some bbq for Garcia.

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The other day I went to one of those "celebration of life" things for a friend who passed a couple weeks ago, a drummer who I'd played in a couple bands with. He was very well liked, so there were lots of people there, lots of mutual friends I hadn't see in a while. And after catching up with one friend for a while, he tells me a story about how he went to the Sweetwater to see Ramblin Jack Eliot a few weeks ago, and Bob Weir saved the day,

Jack, who's over 90 now, was apparently drunk. At first it was funny, and it seemed like maybe he would pull it together. But it soon became apparent that, no, he was too far gone, and this was just going to be painful for all concerned. Jack couldn't remember lyrics, couldn't remember what story he was trying tell, couldn't play, and it was just ugly.

Then, who should appear from backstage but Bob Weir, with a guitar. Weir sets up on a stool behind him, and helps Jack through a couple songs, playing guitar to back him up and reminding him when he can't remember the words. But after a couple tunes it's clear even this is unworkable. So Bob puts his arms around Jack, helps him off the stage. Then he comes back, apologizes to the audience, and offers to play a few tunes. Which he does. Plays and sings his heart out, in fact.

Bob's a good dude. As if we didn't know that already. Just thought you might like to know that happened.

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They will be on Ebay tomorrow.

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