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  • topchinacat
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    I managed to get to all the Ventura shows, being only a couple hours north of LA .... always a fun time on the beach ... great setting, good music... even managed a couple of decent photos of Uncle Jerry & the Boys and Bill Graham (backstage). But by far and away, the 7/13/84 (Dark Star returns!) show is one of the stand out moments of all the 50+ shows I saw in the early/mid 80's. When Phil comes out to the mic after the show and says ".... something special, one time only" (not an exact quote), the place went ape-shot! AND it was a tight, at pace, driving 15 minutes or so that no one wanted to end. Friday 13th at the Greek... how could there ever be a better Dead experience!!!

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    Bound to cover just a little more ground

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    Wow. Interesting twist on the setlist.

  • billy the kiddd
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    Crazy Fingers returns. Ventura, fun times!

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    clarification

    7/18/82 happened before we met
    7/13/84 is in keeping with the GD theme

    Meeting her and then the birthing as a bundle of family related stuff

    I mean...7/18/82 and 7/13/84 were MINDBLOWING and LIFE CHANGING.

    I figured I would meet the right young maiden at some point.

    I'll be quiet now.

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  • Gratefulhan
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    Chop ups should be complete but fragments are neat…

    I'm definitely a complete show kind of head like many of you. And I think there are staples we could all agree upon that should be released in their entirety: Fillmore East February 1970, Fillmore East April 1971, and Winterland October 1974 are easy examples to come up with. Now with the Dicks Picks series, Mr. Latvala from what I have read was a little particular about shows. It's somewhat not surprising but reading through the often shared “Grateful Dead Miscellany” , Dick goes into his thoughts on many shows. This includes what he thinks may be released in the future. Some of his commentary does talk about shows that won't be necessarily released in their entirety based upon what he felt was the quality of the music (mostly) and available rels at that time. Here is a quote from him from that site about the 11/30/73, 12/1/73, 12/2/73 shows:

    “As for the run at Boston at the end of the month and the beginning of December, well I would have to say that it is just that, "a run of shows". What I mean here is that I see using these 3 nights as a 3-4 cd release of the "best of a run" kind of deal. Not one of the 3 stands out on it's own, but in combo, they will deliver some of the absolutely finest playing of the year!!!”

    That gives a little insight into maybe why some shows, at least when Dick was in charge, only got released in part or in fragments. I do think it is important to note that Dave L still puts out shows that Dick L held in high regard too.

    For the current times, I think we have a much fuller vault to work with the returned Betty Reels. We have definitely seen the fruits of that return in the form of many shows being released in their entirety. However, I guess there are still some shows that are incomplete or, as the old Dick’s Picks caveat used to read, where the sound was affected by “the ravages of time”. For the 2023 DaP bonus disc, the situation is as per the email:

    “There are two shows in September 1972 for which there are not complete recordings, either because of missing reels, or because of technical issues. The 2023 subscribers' Bonus Disc features the best material that sounded great from these two shows”

    It is hard to know exactly what is and is not affected by technical issues. Then of course what material was not affected but left off the bonus disc. Knowing how great Dave L has treated us , he often finds a way to get this missing material out if he can. Maybe it will be filler on another release or it will come out in a future 30 Days of Dead (if it hasn't already).

    With all of that, I often wonder if we would ever get complete releases of those shows that were chopped-up from many years ago. That is assuming that everything is contained in the vault and of releasable sound quality. I would certainly welcome it but at the same time if we're just stuck with chopped-up shows or fragments I think I can be OK with that. For me, I know looking towards the future, I'm really hoping that the vault gets mined for the other high profile shows that haven't been given the official release. I'm not knowledgeable enough to speak on the time it takes to put all these together other than I know we get quarterly releases of the DaP series, often an anniversary edition re-release, an LP for record store day, and one big box set per year. So, I guess the question begs, is there enough time and resources for Dave L and the crew to return to some of these old shows and put them out in their entirety without sacrificing the regular schedule of releases?

  • 1stshow70878
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    Sprogs

    A term for babies, 1940s military slang term.
    From obsolete mediaeval or pre-mediaeval English word "sprag",
    for a "lively young man". I like to keep up with Daverock and also with the continentals. Makes me feel smarter to speak the King's english.
    Cheers

  • Mr. Ones
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    Does your wife know she's 3rd on the list??
    I just had to chuckle, and yes, my wife knows she barely even MAKES the list!! Merry Christmas to All, and a Happy Hanukkah as well.

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    Hendrixfreak yes you are right about Bobby saying is there a doctor in the house at Englishtown. At Watkins Glen there was a young girl to our left about 25 feet and was ready to pop. It was raining and we saw her friends helping her to get up and leave...later we heard she gave birth. not sure if it was on the ground or in an Ambulance. and Savoy Brown I remember seeing them at the Filmore East right before Christmas with I think Poco, If I rememer Paul Cotton just replaced Jim Messina in Poco. At Penn State Poco was a big hit in all the Dorms with their music blasting out the windows. All these memories are making me feel old but Happy

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    No sprogs born at Watkins Glen ?

    You would have thought there would have been, in a crowd that size in 1973.

    Chalk me up for fragments too. You only have to look at the ones that have already come out - especially the incomplete shows in Dicks Picks and Road Trips - to see how well they can work.

  • hendrixfreak
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    No worries

    Here's a confession: I can't keep this forum straight! I've got 1st show and proudfoot mixed up and, hey, where did I put that pipe?

    Kim Simmonds, yeah! Flying V, A Hard Way to Go, A Step Further -- man, got into Savoy Brown in about 1970 and a couple years ago I bought a couple of their early albums on 2 LPs on one CD production. Good to have just plain hard rockin'!

    Hey Chuck, didn't Weir announce from the stage that they needed to get her out of the crowd and "is there a doctor in the house?" At the Glen I didn't hear anything about babies appearing, but I do recall the sky diver, who made a long descent, then I believe triggered a flare that burned him to death as he descended just outside the bounds of the crowd. Horrible! But 50 years on, is there a joke in there somewhere? I guess he was burning to see the Dead... I mean, that guy was smokin'....(sorry!!)

    Well, April 2023 should be pretty tasty: spring (of sorts here) and 4-5 hrs of fall '72 GD and the upside is, some tracks from my first show. Make that glass half-full, now that I'm done with the one-man pity party!

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Those of us in Blighty don't get full tracking even when you sign up to UPS.The reason being is that they are sent economy post, and they do not track the item, from leaving the USA.
However you do get false emails from UPS when an expensive box set is ordered,and you pay over the odds on postage.

BTK... seems like we were at alot of the same shows in the early 80's .... I will never forget Halloween at the BCT ... it was all the heads dressed in costumes that made the shows, although "Halloween Space" was pretty trippy as I recall. And I missed the BBQ, dammit! Maybe next time ............tc

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The ones with meandering intros are the best. :-)

I am dabbling in June 76. 6-11 to be specific. But, 6-9 is another grate one...

We get the Bean sound again in Dec. 78. 12-17 has an Eyes of the World, but it's minus a real long intro...

P.S. Crosswalks

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the Grateful Dead were the greatest band ever, there, ok.

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The GD is the Dark Star at the center of this galaxy.

Sometimes we go to solar systems, planets, moons, etc. in our bizarre galaxy. Vacations, rants, joys, whatevers, hockey teams, trolls, und so weiter.

Just scroll past the stuff you don't want to read, and read the stuff you do want to read.

Keep on orbiting the Dark Star, y'all, and share what you will.

God bless us, everyone, and God bless the GD.

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Check one of the other active discussion boards.

This board is open mic night.

Red Wings started good……

DaP44 departed Fontana, due Tuesday.

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Bi-Curious George

A comet: Buoy the mascot.. WTF.

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not follow Deedee. What would YOU like to talk about?

Ya see many of us have been talking too much about the GOGD for so long that we’ve covered a lot of ground, and well, like a big family we discuss, or fight, about all kinds of things, but if you start a good GD topic, someone will most certainly reply…

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Those 1984 BCT shows were a lot of fun. I'm surprised you didn't see me , I was the guy with the long hair and a very cool tie dye t shirt. I bought the tie dye t shirt along with a very cool Rick Griffin poster outside at the very first show. I bet there were a lot of other folks who post on this forum that were also at those shows. Anyway, good to hear from you, have a great day and a great Holloween.

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over on the 2023 DaP Subscription page this morning between TimP and Keithfan. Things I didn't know about Keith and the keyboards he played and when.
Ya just gotta poke around DD.
Cheers
My 44 now tracking, due Wed.

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send me a PM with the details and I'll get the Doc on the case and also alert the tech folks that all is not as it should be.

As it turns out, I put the "ass" in asteroid this time.

I entered the wrong expiration date. A 5 looked like a 3. DERP.

"Got two good eyes but I still don't see."

Mea culpa, Marye.

I apologize for acting like a grumpy old man, Marye. How do you tolerate monitoring us?

Wait, I AM a grumpy old man.

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Ahoy, maties, 44 is shipped! Supposedly. Now comes the part where the post office doesn't know where it is for about 4-5 days, and then it takes another 4-5 to meander across California, as if traveling via dosed coyotes, and I'll get my copy about a week from now. Whatever. I'm used to it by now.

The Revolver deluxe edition sure looks a money grab. You get 5 discs: a new remix, a mono mix, two "sessions" discs of outtakes and demos and whatnot, and then a disc with nothing but mono and stereo versions of Paperback Writer and Rain. Now, Revolver is only about 35 minutes long, so the remix AND mono versions PLUS the Paperback Writer and Rain tracks could've all fit on ONE disc. Talk about "milking it."

The thing is, I wouldn't mind hearing the remix. The original stereo mix has always been a problem; there's way too much stereo panning, The mono mix is great, but it doesn't do justice to the swirling psychedelia of Tomorrow Never Knows. So I may have to break down and get the two disc version, which has the new stereo mix (all 35 minutes of it) on one disc, and then a disc out of outtakes. I think I've probably bought that record at least 5-6 times now, since getting that first copy from K-Mart for I think $1.99 back in the Pleistocene Era.

Good on you guys for remembering Steps Ahead! I'm a tenor sax player, so I'm obsessed with all things Michael Brecker (who was really The Guy on tenor after Coltrane) so I've got all the Steps records that he was on. I actually like them better than the Brecker Bros, whose studio recordings often suffer from overly slick production, IMO. (Though the live recordings are great!) Those first few Steps records with MB, especially Smokin in the Pit, are really really good.

Just listened to DaP 25. I do this a lot, where they announce a new release, and I get excited about it, but it's months before it's going to come, and so I listen to whatever GD I've got that's from the same tour to tide me over. So after they announced the Portland shows from October '77, I pulled out this gem (from a couple weeks later). Man, that has got to be one of the great first sets ever! Second ain't bad, either.

And speaking of baseball ... (OK, more like, "since nobody is speaking of baseball"): what an amazing World Series opener last night! Houston gets off to a 5-0 lead, had Verlander on the mound (a pitcher who was 99-0 in games in which he led by 5 runs), and the Phillies somehow come back and win 6-5. If I can't have my Giants in the post season, I can at least enjoy the schadenfreude of an epic upset win over the Trashtros.

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Sonic genus and amazing to listen to. Sounds unbelievable…

No comment on costs….

But it’s f’ing Revolver! Just saying…

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That was one of the best baseball games I've ever seen last night. They were playing Grateful Dead music going into the commercial breaks, Throwing Stones and Foolish Heart.

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just got a signed copy of Ken Babbs' new book Cronies Adventures with Ken Kesey, Neal Cassady, The Merry Pranksters and the Grateful Dead. Reviews looks like fun, more Dead tales.

Revolver release haven't heard it yet but looks good, It's The Beatles and it's Revolver. nuff said.
Last 5:
America 1st lp
Alan Parsons Project Tales of Mystery and Imagination
Pink Floyd Wish You Were Here MFSL Original Master Recording
Grateful Dead 3-24-95 Set 2
Moody Blues On the Threshold of a Dream
Steve Miller Band Book of Dreams Original Master Recording
Beatles Revolver Original Master Recording let's see if the new release will sound as good as this one.
jumping all over the place today.

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Got Dave's # 44 and Revolver box set today and I am a big Phillies Fan Big day to listen and Watch

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Just back from a wonderful vacation on the Oregon coast. Watched a ton of hockey on TV.

Ya know, when I eat pork chops, I never let the mashed potatoes touch the chops OR the string beans. It just doesn't seem right.

I hear there's a World Series going on. Cool. More hockey. Planning next year's vacation, even now. And though I don't care about hockey, I think I'll just start watching a ton of it.

And then commenting here in detail on every single game. With breaks to discuss how to avoid having my mashed potatoes touch my pork chops.

Okay, I get the joke. "DeeDee" is actually Bobby Weir, but he done yanked his own chain a leetle too hard.

....I also don't like my food touching each other. In fact. I usually spin my plate around and eat the offerings one at a time.
The Wild/Red Wings game just started and Minnesota scored a minute and a half in. Muted of course. Dave's 42 on the stereo.
Detroit misses Yzerman. At least on the ice. He is their GM after all. Spent all 22 years with them. You hardly see that in any sport anymore.
I see heads are getting their Autzen's already. Sweet!!
Just checked my mailbox. No Dave's. But five political fliers. All the Republican ones just parrot each other regarding how they/you/me can help stop the steal by voting for them and nothing else. No plan. Luckily, my trash bin is just feet away from my mailbox.
Time for a beer.

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Great choice for a release. Jerry’s very inspired all night long, with an uplifting edge to every note played during the marathon second set. Massive versions of Eyes, Uncle John’s Band, Miracle, and Dew. The drum loops in the percussion segment is one of the trippiest ever.

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See article from Rolling Stone “Jerry Garcia's Lost Pipe Has Been Found After 30 Years -- and It Still Smells Like Weed” on the internet.
Amusing.

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Vocals almost inaudible buuuut you can hear lots of instrumentation

Worth at least one listen in your lifetime

Can't read article no subscription

I'm sure that pipe is kinda nasty

PF - That’s odd you cannot get the article, because I don’t subscribe to that magazine either, it just came up on my news feed, but the article has been picked up by dozens of outlets.
The pipe appears to have been made by the one and only Owsley Stanley, driven by only one owner - Jerry - and lost for many years behind a bed at Merl Saunders home. It is a cool looking thing, and as Owsley designed jewelry, quite unique!
I hope you can find it, at least the pics of it.

You’re welcome.
It’s a cool looking pipe, isn’t it? I never owned one that fancy, I chose function over style, but I had buddies with some pretty elaborate ones. More like art pieces. Even the boxes they kept them in were more intricate than anything I had, almost like they were ceremonial.

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That Mike, that's a good story about Garcia's pipe.

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for Jerry, how cool. They really did love each other. Tractors

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Stanley was a man of great talent and vision, and we all reap the benefits of his sonic acumen still.
Glad you all liked the article.

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Excellent show with a killer Dancing in the Streets, possibly the best Cassidy I've heard, stellar Let it Grow and superb Scarlet/Fire. Ran into Billy the Kidd there, he borrowed my comb and never returned it, dammit!! Regardless, this show would make a great pick.

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the pipe or the cool logos Rhoney Stanley, Owsley's ex, carved into it.
The reclining cat from Cat's Down Under on the bottom of the bowl.
The crouching tiger from Jerry's guitar on the front of the bowl.
Wonder how much Steve Cabella had to give for it?
Says it needs to be seen but not just in some pot museum.
And no one will be smoking it, he says, that was Jerry's job.
Obviously priceless!
Cheers

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Cousins, thanks for the comb, I still have it. Its s an ACE, its a beauty.

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You CAN hear three guitars

No drums or keys

An odd one. Worth a check after you have heard everything else.

Article...will pursue furthur. Get it? Furthur? Haha...ha...lame.

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It's a Betty Board of their set opening for the GD in London, May 26 [guess the year]

The band is tight, Marmaduke's vocals are pretty disciplined, the setlist is fun, the show fills an 80 minute disc and Betty's recording is her usual stellar stuff.

Great band! Caught 'em a few times in '72-'73, with the GD and without. Great fun. "Highly" recommended.

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38 years ago today,( you know where I was at). along with Cousins and alot of other great folks who post on this forum, the BCT, for a rocking night with the Good old Grateful Dead. This was my favorite show of the whole run, but they all were great! After the show, we stopped at Everett & Jones BBQ down on San Pablo Ave for some great bbq. My brother saw Rock Scully in Everett & Jones after a Dead Greek show one night, probably picking up some bbq for Garcia.

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The other day I went to one of those "celebration of life" things for a friend who passed a couple weeks ago, a drummer who I'd played in a couple bands with. He was very well liked, so there were lots of people there, lots of mutual friends I hadn't see in a while. And after catching up with one friend for a while, he tells me a story about how he went to the Sweetwater to see Ramblin Jack Eliot a few weeks ago, and Bob Weir saved the day,

Jack, who's over 90 now, was apparently drunk. At first it was funny, and it seemed like maybe he would pull it together. But it soon became apparent that, no, he was too far gone, and this was just going to be painful for all concerned. Jack couldn't remember lyrics, couldn't remember what story he was trying tell, couldn't play, and it was just ugly.

Then, who should appear from backstage but Bob Weir, with a guitar. Weir sets up on a stool behind him, and helps Jack through a couple songs, playing guitar to back him up and reminding him when he can't remember the words. But after a couple tunes it's clear even this is unworkable. So Bob puts his arms around Jack, helps him off the stage. Then he comes back, apologizes to the audience, and offers to play a few tunes. Which he does. Plays and sings his heart out, in fact.

Bob's a good dude. As if we didn't know that already. Just thought you might like to know that happened.

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They will be on Ebay tomorrow.

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