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  • daverock
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    To me there is very little that connects seeing the band live to sitting at home listening to a live recording. To recap I saw them 5 times in 1981 and 1990. Loved all 5 shows, and they didn't play any songs that I didn't like. Some songs, that I hadn't been so keen on -Row Jimmy comes to mind - made much more sense in real time than it did on live recordings, or on Wake of the Flood. Drums and Space in 1990 blew my head off. It doesn't do that now, unfortunately. More interesting than mind blowing
    On 10/30/90 I thought it was great when they broke into "Lovelight" - an actual song off "Live Dead". Sadly, I don't have this response now - in fact I have no interest whatsoever in hearing a Bob sung Lovelight now. Or a show from 1990, for that matter. But that doesn't mean for a second that it wasn't great at the time, being there.

    Like everyone on here, I guess, there are some songs I have heard way to often, simply because they are played at shows which are brilliant overall. To skip them feels a bit like skipping a dull chapter in a novel - you want to, but it makes you feel a bit guilty if you do.

  • JimInMD
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    Can one train a dog to poop on the floor (or sofa) each morning at exactly 3am?

    I thought it was just me that got borderline PTSD when a show ended with Throwing Stones>NFA encore: US Blues. Miracle and Mexicali are on my list with many of the late era new songs mentioned.

    Fortunately, there are so many great songs they either wrote or covered that really made it difficult to have a bad time at a Dead show. There was almost always something special. So time your bathroom breaks with skip tunes, stay away from the brown acid and let the good times roll.

    Before shows some of the folks I would travel with would voice out what they thought we were going to hear mixed with dream setlists and the occasional song that they best not play that night or else (in the spirit of that Sideways quote, "I am NOT drinking any f***king Merlot"). We are a spirited bunch aren't we?

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    Sorry for your mishap vguy

    But I cant stop laughing.

    Dog poop at 3 am

    Isnt that a simon and garfunkel album title?

    One search later:
    Wednesday Morning 3 a.m. is the album title

    Your mishap happened at...wednesday morning 3 a.m.

    Too funny

  • Angry Jack Straw
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    Lovelight. Not my favorite, but I’ll take it over the typical throwing stones>not fade to end the show if for nothing more than a change of pace. I never really got into the 30 minute versions either.

    I can tolerate LLR. I’ll admit I have a soft spot because my inaugural show ended the first set with that right into a China>Rider. It grew on me over the years and I much prefer the latter day, more amped up versions. The early iterations sound like something Engelbert Humperdinck should be singing.

    Definitely skippable are most, OK all, of Vince. Corrina, Victim, Easy Answers, Eternity. . . You see the pattern here.

    I actually liked a lot of Brent songs when I saw them live. Unfortunately, I don’t think they’ve aged well. In fairness I probably haven’t either.

    Passenger and Miracle are two older songs I never enjoyed.

    As others have said, 12/30/1986 was an awesome show. Easily in the top five of all the shows I ever saw. Yes, they did have speakers outside for those who were not fortunate enough to get tickets. I thought it was a West Coast thing, but evidently not.

  • Vguy72
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    I stepped in dog poop this morning at 3 AM....

    ....while I was getting a glass of water.
    My bad. I forgot to let them out before I went to bed.
    Rain is welcome in Cali, but what the southwest REALLY needs is snowpack on the western slopes of the Colorado rockies. For several winters in a row.

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    That and Charlie's description of responsible cat ownership cracked me up.

    Thanks for that.

    I, too, reserve the right to Slide Filter whenever necessary.

    I generally do not have problem with the cat, and living in a 120 year old rodent-free Victorian, I have a few things to be thankful for. I keep the litter fresh and clean and they keep the mice (and river rats) away.

    I'm really in the mood for 1/2/1970. What a great and often overlooked release.

  • Gary Farseer
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    So weekend was Friday watching 12/30/86. Saturday was listening to MaryE's first show which I enjoyed immensely, and then later in the evening I watched 12/31/85 which was a national tv broadcast that started at midnight Oakland time and 2am here locally when it was on. I still really enjoy that video, wish they would release that whole show video, "I'd buy that for a dollar." Then Sunday the 1st, I watched "Ticket to New Years," which I also attended that 4 day run. Then Monday, I watched most of "The Closing of Winterland." So lots of Dead watching, and I enjoyed all of it. I also went thru a couple of shows from the MSG box, nice!

    G

  • Gary Farseer
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    Happy New Year again!!!

    BTK yall be safe now ya hear. This storm is a beast. I know rain is needed but not that much that quick. All in California and the desert areas prepare. It cost so little to have a manual can opener and $20 of canned goods to make it a few days.

    Any way, have to go back and read last couple of days to catch up, but here are some quick answers.

    DeadVikes thanks for the warm return. It is appreciated greatly. Unfortunately, my own health which is pretty good, is clashing with folks health which is not so good. Won't get into details, but I refer to them as my progenitors, as the love has always been cold as ice. Yet now I have to eat up my own time watching after them (although with a lot of others help also). I will try to post more often.

    Question of why 12/30/86 and 7/16/88 are important to me. AJS had the correct answer, because of the guest drummers during drumz. But it was the whom, in who were the guests. On 12/30/86 it was Hamza El-Din (&Jose Lorenzo) and on 7/16/88 it was Baba Olatunji. Both such huge influences bringing depth to Billy and Mickey's poly-rythmic structures during drumz.

    So roughly here was weekend schedule. On 12/30/22 I watched 12/30/86 on the me-tube. Very nice video (probably band created) and soundboard synced up. I had watched once previously but this time it really hit me. That one show, along with 12/27/86 represents one of those closures and new beginnings. Both of those shows have the more heroin induced jams of the late Keith/Donna era shows. I did not get into 12/28/86 as we were shut-out. Maybe someone here, like BTK, can remember when they put the speakers outside for any stragglers and the Shakedown Street crew, which was small. The 12/31/86 sounds like more of the changing sound coming in 1987. Intense upgrades in computers and technology, less in the slow methodical heroin induced jam (I love both). But this time watching 12/30/86 was way more meaningful, to really see and focus on Hamza, and tie him back to Egypt and the tar and talking drum. I do love from "From Egypt with Love" and Ollin Arageed, that rhythm is intense and right up my alley as a former want-to-be drummer. So for me to realize 25 years later that I saw both Hamza and Baba creates a warm feeling all over. I do recommend if you have not seen the 12/30/86 on me tube it is worth a watch, although I think in is labeled 12/31/86, which it is not.

    BTK - thanks for the kind words of friendship and comradery, they do mean much.

    I have several days worth of reading to catch up. I just wanted to make sure I remember to finish previous thoughts, as that is getting harder and harder to do.

    Ok, will post and read to edit. I know I need an editor, kind of like young reporters today whose story telling/reporting is not good.

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  • Charlie3
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    Top Reasons to Have a Cat

    You don’t have enough urine or fecal material in your house and you want more.

    You really dig randomly finding cat puke all over the house in a variety of unusual and unexpected places.

    You don’t like to sleep through the night and want something to wake you up every couple of hours, but you don’t want to have a baby.

    You feel like it would be cool to have a greater potential exposure to Toxoplasma gondii, because it sounds like such an interesting parasite, and Toxoplasmosis sounds so fascinating. (See e.g., the wolves of Yellowstone and toxoplasmosis, google it, you’ll find the articles and it is interesting).

    You enjoy finding the back half of mice outside your door on a regular basis. They always eat the head, never the back end, go figure.

    You enjoy watching them slowly destroy a wooden post on your stairway railing by using it as a scratching post. It’s a long-term project for them, but you can see the steady progress, just another way to measure the passage of time.

    Your wife and children left you out of the decision and you’re not quite enough of a cold-hearted bastard to get rid of them. The cats that is, not the family members, none of them have peed all over the house.

    We have two cats. They are indoors and outdoors cats, and in theory they are using the great outdoors as a latrine, but that is not always the case, especially if it is too far below freezing outside. One cat peed on the living room couch on 4th of July a couple of years ago late in the night. Everyone else was asleep so I took the opportunity to take the giant couch outside for disposal. It was a large couch, and I am not large, but I picked up that cat pee contaminated couch and got it down the stairs and through the front door, barely, and outside without waking anyone up. Wife woke up in the morning like, wtf, where’d the couch go? The couch did not come back inside. Now I try to keep the cats in a travel carrier or outside on 4th of July to avoid a repeat.

    Edit: Don't get me wrong, I like the cats, but they don't make it easy sometimes.

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    Songs I skip: Corrina, Easy Answers, Looks Like Rain(though sometimes I do fast fwd to Jerry's solo), Easy To Love You.
    I also apply a Slide Filter whenever necessary.

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holy crap Vguy, just read your previous post about being accosted by a lunatic in the grocery store with a concealed weapon because you had on........a dead shirt that had a really great message on it. Make Amerika Grateful Again. It's a good message, it's not really making fun, is it? I have seen this shirt and I think it is awesome. In the grocery store, concealed weapon, what the hell is happening to this country? It has all ready started, the republicans and the last person in the white house who shall not be named, are all ready talking about rigged elections. It may be too soon to say it, but is it over for this experiment that is a free republic? I voted, I made sure my 96 yr old mother in law voted (blue) and I have signed up to take people to the poles who can't get there on tuesday. That's all I can do. I won't go out and antagonize crazies who are poll watching or conceal carry to intimidate anyone, but I will do what ever I can to stop this madnesss that is trying to take over this country. You showed great restraint Vguy, when he grabbed you, how did you not remove his hand, did you grab his hand and ask him to let you go? How did you get him to let you go? was it the crowd? cowards Make America Grateful Again, political rant over and apologizes to any and all who I might have offended.
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Since you ask. Not here in UK yet. Mine is still in CA awaiting processing in Fontana. After 2 weeks I finally have an alternate tracking number, that ends FR so it is going to go to France once it starts moving. Should be here in the next couple of weeks but that’s normal.

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Barnum: well said

Vguy: you showed admirable restraint. If that had happened to me, cops may have been called.

Be well everyone, except... you know who.

\m/

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Drummer and Singer with Low. I’ve enjoyed their music for many years.

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....to answer the question, he let go of me on his own. I think he realized that people around were starting to take notice. Some phones were starting to come out. Like I said, he wasn't exactly whispering and I'm glad a video of the interaction didn't hit social media should that conversation had gone on longer. The entire event lasted maybe 30 seconds.
I'm not 100% against conceal carrying. I mean, I own a couple of firearms. Would I conceal carry though? No. But I do worry about the mental stability of those that do. Its a slippery slope of a topic. That dude had crazy eyes though and the last thing I was going to do was stoop to his level of anger and stupidity even though i did feel my blood pressure rising. Not worth my time.
It's the day and age we unfortunately live in and will not change overnight.
Time to tune into the Dolphins vs da Bears. Wearing my Marino jersey today. Muted with TTB on the big boy stereo.
And extra hour of sleep today was nice.
Here's a hot take. I think America was great before you know who ran on a campaign saying that it wasn't.
Now, it's not too great. Thanks jerk.
I will piggy back pt's comment of so many admitted election denyers running for political offices. Concerning to say the least.
Ain't no time to hate. Barely time to wait. Take care out there peeps, because you never know.
Thanks for bearing with me. Y'all are the best 💚

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Has anyone ever had to reach out to Dead.net about a botched delivery on a Dave's Picks? Mine was marked "delivered, in/at mailbox" on Thursday but was not there and has not popped up in subsequent days either.

If I reach out to Dead.net is there any chance they'll ship me a new copy?

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....happened to me once. Said it was delivered, but didn't actually show up until three days later.
Dave's 40 I believe.
Pm Marye. She has our backs.

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Their Christmas EP is a tradition in our house Xmas day. I like that one a lot.

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....to all the movie heads out there, may I highly recommend All Quiet On The Western Front on Netflix.
Intense with grate cinematography.
War is hell.

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To answer my own question, the a capaella version of Brokedown Palace is by The Persuasions from a 2000 cd called Might As Well, The Persuasions sing the Grateful Dead

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....I will check them out. Parry doing the research. Thanks Frank!
It's a far gone lullaby
Sung many years ago
Mama, mama, many worlds I've come
Since I first left home.
Chills.
GG in Chicago. Moving on from TTB to King Gizzard's Ice, Death, Planets, Lungs, Mushrooms and Lava. Solid album from front to back. Psychedelia greatness. Found out they played here in Vegas in April. Right before I discovered them. Doh!!
I'll catch them eventually.

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Yes Frank! I'll be looking for that one.
Love The Persuasions.
Cheers

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V, I am also a handgun owner, and long time NRA member. If I'm out in public, I almost never carry. I live in a primarily crime free 10 mile area, and have no need to carry such a weapon, but my apartment is a different story. I feel sorry for the sap who breaks through the door at night uninvited. He better be armed to the teeth. Especially if my daughter is over. David Crosby got into some trouble over the years for gun ownership, but he is famous, and a little crazy. I have a lot of respect for guns, and I never used them for harm.......or did I? Dap 44 sure builds up in speed as it plays. Good show.

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'Love buzz'. I used to love Mariska veres back in the late 70s. It's a pretty defining song that was the 60s.

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YEP. I love all in the family. I think Lionel said it. What movie?

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Guns?

Statistics show you're more likely to shoot a loved one or have it used on you than you actually shooting "the intruder".

(great Gabriel song)

I was shocked to learn (recently) that half the handgun deaths are suicide!

Finally, I always think of the Harry Carey's line from Angel and the Badman.

The only man who needs a gun, is a man who carries a gun.

Hope I didn't start a huge argument like I mentioned politics,,,,,, or Andy Williams. I will never understand the Andy haters!

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.... did I read right?

Does Taylor Swift have all 10 slots of the top 10 taken up?

That's a wild thing!!! I don't think I'd could tell you one TS song!

And now Dennis the evil bastardo is ratcheting up the fear machine with threats of Andy Williams!
The Horror!

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While sorting thru an enormous amount of "stuff", came across "Art Jackson's Atrocity - Gout" album.

Anyone hear of it?

Was supposed to be a joke or mystery album?

Supposed to be psychedelic album,,,, a quick jab at a few cuts showed maybe,,, maybe a fusion album. But the web pages that came up intrigued me.

Knowledge and thoughts?

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Don't let the sweaters fool ya. Andy could cut a bitch faster than you could say Englebert Humperdink!

Moon River deep enough to hide, I dump the bodies there you see.

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Anyone else remember the tv special ‘The H Andrew Williams Kaleidoscope Company’ where Andy went ‘hip’? My limited memory of it has a guest appearance by Simon and Garfunkel.

Dennis obviously has a Blank Space for TS but I’m sure he can Shake It Off otherwise ‘We are never, ever, getting back together.

All in the Family was based on the UK show ‘til death us do part. This is a show which is difficult to watch now with its casual racism and bigotry but did lead The Monkees (Mickey Dolenz) to write ‘Alternate Title’ which was originally called ‘Randy Scouse Git’ after the name used by Alf Garnett in the show for his Liverpool born son in law.

I’d advise everyone to get out and vote to Make America Sensible Again but it’s not going to happen. This, of course, is coming from someone in a country being run by a group of expletive deleted.

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A one hour musical special that aired on April 28, 1968 on NBC. Guest stars included: Ray Charles and The Raylettes, Burt Bacharach, Simon and Garfunkel and Mama Cass Elliott. Quite interesting use of the kaleidoscope meaning with appropriate for the time psychedelic backgrounds and some excellent music.

Never saw this and I was a big andy fan. Watched his tv show every week. ah, the cookie eating bear and mr echo.

This might be up to watch,,,, I'm going back to check.

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Andy is just a bit milquetoast for me. But you like what you like.

If he had covered Waiting for the Man by VU, that would have scored him some points from me.

"It's the most wonderful rush of the year
my skin it is itching
my eyes they are twitching
and now I'm strung ouuuuut"

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I replied to our old friend FourWinds comment on the Dave's 43 thread, but this is worth a repost here. Shoutout to our dear friend FourWinds

This one's for you HendrixFreak

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Regarding Fall '72 Reels, Google Dick Latvala Introduces The Philo Stomp

It will bring you to a David Gans radio broadcast with guest host Dick Latvala on the Grateful Seconds blog where he seems to introduce the term Philo Stomp. Philo Stomp is a whole other conversation totally worthy of exploration.. but back to the point, Dick suggests there is a cache of Bear Reels that seem to not be indexed or included as vault shows but do exist, many of these from Fall 1972.

To quote Latvala from the hijacked Gans radio broadcast:

"I did go into Bear's Secret Stash and I did find a lot of fall '72 shows...."

Check it out. An interesting and pertinent chunk of history.
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In other news:
Americans told not to lick psychedelic toads

Hikers in the US have been warned to “refrain from licking” psychedelic toads. Officials said the Sonoran Desert Toad secretes a potent toxin that can make people sick if they touch the frog or get the poison in their mouths. The substance is sometimes crystalised and smoked as a psychedelic substance, said the New York Times. However, writing on Facebook, the National Park service described the potential risks as “toad-ally terrifying”.

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Andy Williams and guns? Can't think how we got here but it did remind me of Andy's love Claudine and a rhyme from a curious incident. "Along came a Spider and sat down beside her, and she blew the poor !@#$er away." Determined to be an accident under suspicious circumstances as I recall. Sabitch was a hell of a skier. Now back to Eugene for a second go.
Cheers
Oh, and there's a Philo Stomp in today's 30 Days 'o Dead.

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Strange days have found us
Strange days have tracked us down
They're going to destroy
Our casual joys
We shall go on playing
Or find a new town

Profound words on The Doors title track to their second album. My company just laid off 25% of IT. My team is now down to two, same headcount when I joined the company almost 10 years ago and we've grown 500% since then from an infrastructure perspective. I thought I was done, but I architected the latest and most complex solutions we have, so might have bought some time.

Unbelievable VGuy - you have such a gregarious personality and being towering in height, not sure what was his major malfunction. Glad you didn't go Gunny Sgt Hartman on the loser: "What is your major malfunction, numbnuts? Didn't Mommy and Daddy show you enough attention when you were a child?"

Loving DaP44 - reminiscent of the great shows I got to see from '87 onward...

Still working my way thru the MSG box - Glad they have this era represented but kind of a tough slog for me. Not having Bobby's guitar in the mix was a bit of a shock for the one of the shows on the yearly major release. I'm sure I will enjoy the nuances of Jerry's guitar with more listens.

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The San Francisco Chronicle today has a couple of decent articles on the 50th Anniversary of Sweetwater in Mill Valley and its history and upcoming shows and celebrations there. (For any who may not know, Weir is a co-owner of the latest version of this venue).

Search for them on sfchronicle dot com. Sometimes they'll block you and ask you to subscribe, other times they're open to read. Don't ask me why, but I'm not a subscriber and was able to access them this morning.

The best 2 shows I saw there over the years (at the original location) were Jorma and Jack Cassady in their acoustic blues duo - front row chairs - and Dan Hicks and band with his ever witty swing tunes. Good times.

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The San Francisco Chronicle today has a couple of decent articles on the 50th Anniversary of Sweetwater in Mill Valley and its history and upcoming shows and celebrations there. (For any who may not know, Weir is a co-owner of the latest version of this venue).

Search for them on sfchronicle dot com. Sometimes they'll block you and ask you to subscribe, other times they're open to read. Don't ask me why, but I'm not a subscriber and was able to access them this morning.

The best 2 shows I saw there over the years (at the original location) were Jorma and Jack Cassady in their acoustic blues duo - front row chairs - and Dan Hicks and band with his ever witty swing tunes. Good times.

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The San Francisco Chronicle today has a couple of decent articles on the 50th Anniversary of Sweetwater in Mill Valley and its history and upcoming shows and celebrations there. (For any who may not know, Weir is a co-owner of the latest version of this venue).

Search for them on sfchronicle website. Sometimes they'll block you and ask you to subscribe, other times they're open to read. Don't ask me why, but I'm not a subscriber and was able to access them this morning.

The best 2 shows I saw there over the years (at the original location) were Jorma and Jack Cassady in their acoustic blues duo - front row chairs - and Dan Hicks and band with his ever witty swing tunes. Good times.

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I saw Elizabeth Cotton play at the Sweetwater, also saw Frank Wakefield and David Nelson play there. We would always stop at Village Music before we went to the Sweetwater. Great little place to see music.

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Sorry for the multiple posts. Problems with Captcha and website operation.

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I saw David Nelson there at the new venue also just before the pandemic IIRC. Also Eric Thompson, a good local bluegrass picker.

Village Music was definitely an institution, lots of the famous used to stop in there.

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Great guitar player, I saw him and David Nelson play over at the orIginal Freight & Salvage a couple of times, I taped both shows. We would always go to Everett & Jones Bbq after seeing shows in Berkeley

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You provide a tantalizing glimpse at what could be.... the discovery of the missing first reel to my first show, 9-19-72, which may still await us in Bear's mystery reels. I have alerted the OSF to look for that 1st reel setlist and get that entire show archived. Naturally, at the time -- a newly minted 15 year old with only GD records for reference -- I couldn't have told you that it was a hot show, only that it went on so freakin' long ("What are these people ON? Ohhh....") But we know with the benefit of hindsight that late August to early November '72 that band was on a streak.

Lettuce prey!

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Road Trips and Dick's Picks.
Once a year CD sale.
DiPs 2, 11, 14 are back again too.
Cheers

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1stshow beat me to it, but man there's some tasty stuff and I went for it like a fish for the hook.

Jesse Ed Davis solo CD
Willie Nelson earliest solo demos
Art Blakey (just becuz)
Bob Wills & Texas Playboys (just becuz)
DP 34 (inexplicably missing from the collection, which has lots of hot Nov '77)

I had to resist ordering duplicates of Feb '68, April '69 etc because ... why???

On to speculation for the 2nd Dave's for 2023, which is to be revealed prior to subscription shutdown in ???

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Anyone else had the following situation? I ordered a Dave's Picks subscription on day one of announcement and had my credit card charged but on payment screen received a message "order could not be placed". No email confirmation or order number received despite payment taken.
Dead.net support not replying to my emails. Very poor service as I have been an annual subscriber from DaP1.

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I am going with 10/24/72 with bonus from 10/23 or two shows from July '74.

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2 full shows from Owsleys boxes from 1968, 1969 or 1970. One full show will be the bonus disc.

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1st guess- 7/27&28/73
2nd- 6/10/73 with po 6/9
3rd- 5/26/73
Last 3, 4? Years, second pick has been 73 or 74. Last year was 74, so…?

WOTF bonus: 9/15 or 17/73. If you count WRS all as one song these are the only 2 shows with 6 songs off the album and their good shows!

Box: summer 73

I suggest placing another order using a different browser, and even a different credit card.

Then tell the first credit card company to cancel payment because the retailer does not have a record or your purchase.

Also, you don’t need to create an account to place an order, you can check out as guest.
Worked for me.

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