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    A sealed, unlabeled box sat undisturbed for decades on a shelf in the Grateful Dead’s San Rafael tape vault on Front Street, its contents an enduring mystery, even to those few with access to the vault. All David Lemieux knew about that box when he became the Dead’s archivist was that it contained tapes belonging to Bear—Owsley Stanley, the Dead’s first soundman and architect of the Wall of Sound. Even in the Dead Heads’ Holy of Holies, the taped-up box was tantalizing. But this was Bear’s personal property, and so he didn’t touch the box out of an abiding respect for the elder luminary of sound. Bear’s archive of Sonic Journal recordings had been kept safe for him for years within the Grateful Dead’s vault—over 1,300 reels of tape stored in heavy-duty cartons like old banana boxes. At any time, David could have popped the tops and explored them to his archivist heart's content. But they were off-limits without the nod from Bear. - Starfinder Stanley, Hawk, and Pete Bell, Owsley Stanley Foundation

     

    With a wink and a nod from Bear, we've peeled back those banana boxes to find some of the oldest and rarest of all recordings of the Dead including the double dose of shows that make up DAVE’S PICKS VOLUME 43. The two virtually complete performances from San Francisco 11/2/69, Live At Family Dog At The Great Highway, and from Dallas 12/26/69, McFarlin Auditorium, are complementary in their clarity and consistency thanks to Bear himself, and in their ability to foreshadow where the Dead were headed in the years to come. If the two killer 20-minute+ "Dark Stars" don't get ya, how about the Pigpen-centric sets featuring "Midnight Hour," "Next Time You See Me," "Big Boss Man," "Good Lovin'," and the once-lost-now-found complete rendition of "Dancing In The Streets," or the first full acoustic set ever performed? And we're certain you'll be fascinated to uncover the "Mystery Of Bear's Banana Boxes" as told by Starfinder Stanley, Hawk, and Pete Bell in the liners.

     

    Limited to 25,000 numbered copies, DAVE’S PICKS VOLUME 43 was recorded by Owlsey "Bear" Stanley and has been mastered to HDCD specs by Jeffrey Norman at Mockingbird Mastering. Grab a copy while you can.

     

    *2 per order. Very limited quantity available.

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  • #1441
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    Sweet Gene Vincent

    Black gloves, white frost
    Black crepe, white lead,
    White sheet, black night,
    Jet black, dead white.

    And from a time when musicians were hipper..."This machine kills fascists".

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    Not too long, maybe an hour, as I have both books. Luckily, Bear by Greenfield (great book btw) has an index so fairly easy to look up. Owsley and me did not, but it was fairly easy to find the few corroborating sections.
    Really, I spent more time just getting sucked into the book lol. That happened with big Steve’s book last week: went to look something up and ended up reading the whole book! That’s ok, I was due for another read.

    As far as Fall 80/Acoustic releases. Im 90 something percent sure I saw/heard Dave say that there are pieces of shows, but not whole shows. Thus he was able to release at least a couple of good sets. I guess only they know for sure what remains or is usable, and I wouldn’t be surprised if they trickle out something similar. That would of course be awesome as those that have been released are mighty fine sets!!
    Of course one can hope that there’s some other mystery box or someone has good 2 channel tapes unreturned, but unfortunately I’m not getting my hopes up for full show multitracks : (

    I’m not aware of any documentation of who recorded what etc, though that would make an awesome book to be sure!
    Say how bout a complete list of what’s in the vault and who recorded, that would be sweet!
    Hey Rhino, I’m available to do the documentation and I promise I won’t take any tapes ; )

    Ok, it’s been since Friday since we last heard from our good friend to the north?
    Not Dave, the other one lol.
    That’s when the Angels were starting to arrive…
    Hello, tap, tap, tap, hey Mike you out there?

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    Hey now RDG ain't it nice that we have so much gr8 music at our fingertips that we can have files upon files of stuff we can delete later. Great stuff man. Thanks for the recommendations. Always like that 6-14 show Bruce, Jerry, Darkstar, what's not to love.
    Daverock, I just love the music you post on your last 5's good shit man as Chong would say. Who else would have Gene Vincent on their last 5, classic.
    Cousins, love me some Budgie, they had such a distinct sound.
    Oro, how long did it take you to research all that Bear stuff? Thanks, that's good to know. Is there a site or book or anything that tells who recorded the shows on specific dates? That would be nice to see too.
    Warfield 80, yes heard that Betty recorded over some for Brent's solo lp but I was really surprised when the Dead released those two discs of acoustic shows from the Warfield, the 9th and the 10th of October. Released last year or the year before. Those were great shows and 1980 was a great year for the band, I have most of those shows matrix and audience and they were in fine form. 1980 was the year I really got on the bus so any show from that year would be a welcome Dave's.
    Just like Dave's 6 and 10, 43 is gonna be a fun ride. 2, that's right, 2 Dark Stars. Far out man.

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    Yup, they re-used the tapes.

    I remember reading in an interview or two that they recorded over a lot of the fall 1980 tapes and that's why most of the radio city shows are lost. And from a reliable source.. Dave or someone like that....

    Yes I know that sounds crazy, but recall that in the period of 1974 thru 1980 they had just gone through what we're only just beginning to go through now: RUNAWAY inflation. Here in July 2022 we are all freaking out about 9% inflation, however the 70's saw 7 solid years of runaway inflation. Spiked to 11% in 1974 and as got high as 14% (!!!!) in 1980!!! So the tapes they paid (using round numbers), say, $25 for in 1973 were suddenly about $50 by the time Fall 1980 rolled around. And I believe they had just done Dead Set and Reckoning as a way to satisfy their remaining album obligations to Arista/Clive Davis ("We used to pay for silver, now we play for Clive").

    So after recording all the Radio City/Warfield shows on scores of huge, super-expensive 24 track (or 32 track? can't remember) reels, and then mixing those two live albums onto 2 live double albums (unheard of at the time), and completing their recording contract, one could understand the mentality that they already released the best of those shows and now quit spending money due to the financial meltdown and hunker down.

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    Elton John - Captain Fantastic
    Phish - 7.23.22. Bethel. Wow.
    Dethklok - The Dethalbum
    Stormtroopers Of Death - Speak English Or Die
    GD - Aoxomoxoa
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    That SOD album would totally be canceled today.

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    After consulting Bear by Robert Greenfield and Owsley and Me By Rhoney Gissen Stanley, we can hopefully put to rest some of what’s NOT in the banana box!

    After several various run ins with the law, he was finally arrested on drug charges on 12/21/67 in Orinda California.
    Out on Bail the next day. Appeals etc for almost 3 years.

    1/31/70 Nola bust. Out on bail 8 hours later.
    All charges eventually dropped due to intervention by WB record executive Joe Smith.
    BUT!
    Because he had been busted in NO 2 weeks after the time he was not supposed to be out of jurisdiction, his bail for the Orinda bust was revoked on 2/27/70.
    BUT!
    He gets out on bail again while awaiting appeal etc,
    BUT!
    He gets popped again with Beatty and Bob who were living with him at Oakland Hills on 7/15/70.
    Therefore his bail was revoked again on 7/21/70.
    His first gig back with the Dead after doing 2 of 3 years was on 8/21/72.

    I did not read anything that specifically stated when he was actually incarcerated, but one would assume he was taken into custody upon bail revocation on 7/21/70.

    So looking at DB 50, his last possible gig would have probably been 7/14 or maybe 7/16/70 at the Euphoria in San Rafael?
    Whenever exactly, NO BEAR TAPES after that, anywhere, until 1972!
    Perhaps we can put this one to bed…

    Hey THATSMIKE?
    Don’t think we’ve heard from him since the swarm started to arrive?
    Hope he wasn’t accosted by wild drug addled Angels?

    Fall 80 tapes: yep that’s my understanding, between what they cut up for the live albums, and many were reused as 2”? (big multitrack tape) is expensive and they probably figured they’d never use it for anything again, I mean they got 2 live albums outta them. So not enough for full shows etc. But hey, perhaps he’s just pranking us, and/or they’ll show up in some kind of weird box ; )

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    i seem to remember reading that Betty taped over them when recording material for a possible solo Brent album. They were a couple at the time.

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    Cousins, I have a hard time believing they would tape over those tapes, but several people on this forum have told that story and I believe someone had a quote of Dave talking about that very issue. I hope your intuition is right, I consider your opinions to be the gold standard. on this forum. It's lucky we were able to attend such special shows.

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    Live in California 1966 13th Floor Elevators
    Road is Rocky cd 3 Gene Vincent
    Psycho Serenade Various - including the great anti drug song - "The Evil Dope" by Phil Phillips, and the once heard never forgotten "Chickie Run" by Homer Denison Jnr

    Last Dead were Winterland 10/22/67, included with the last version of "Anthem", and the original, 1969 mix of "Aoxomoxoa".
    Hopefully Daves 43 will signal a move back into the past, with more 60's releases-for this series a massively untapped resource.

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    Like many others, I can't wait for this release...but how long will it be before another 68-70 is issued? We now know you have the tapes Dave L. & TPTB...don't make us start rumors of a 'Banana Box Conspiracy' lol.

    Last listens:

    1. Art Blakey & The Jazz Messengers - Moanin'
    2. Joni Mitchell - Hissing Of Summer Lawns
    3. Joni Mitchell - Hejira
    4. Joni Mitchell - Don Juan's Reckless Daughter
    5. Poco - Pickin' Up The Pieces
    6. Poco - 2nd S/T
    7. Poco - Deliverin'
    8. Trio Of Doom - S/T. John McLaughlin, Jaco Pastorius & Tony Williams...what couldn't they have done?

    Hope all are well.

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A sealed, unlabeled box sat undisturbed for decades on a shelf in the Grateful Dead’s San Rafael tape vault on Front Street, its contents an enduring mystery, even to those few with access to the vault. All David Lemieux knew about that box when he became the Dead’s archivist was that it contained tapes belonging to Bear—Owsley Stanley, the Dead’s first soundman and architect of the Wall of Sound. Even in the Dead Heads’ Holy of Holies, the taped-up box was tantalizing. But this was Bear’s personal property, and so he didn’t touch the box out of an abiding respect for the elder luminary of sound. Bear’s archive of Sonic Journal recordings had been kept safe for him for years within the Grateful Dead’s vault—over 1,300 reels of tape stored in heavy-duty cartons like old banana boxes. At any time, David could have popped the tops and explored them to his archivist heart's content. But they were off-limits without the nod from Bear. - Starfinder Stanley, Hawk, and Pete Bell, Owsley Stanley Foundation

 

With a wink and a nod from Bear, we've peeled back those banana boxes to find some of the oldest and rarest of all recordings of the Dead including the double dose of shows that make up DAVE’S PICKS VOLUME 43. The two virtually complete performances from San Francisco 11/2/69, Live At Family Dog At The Great Highway, and from Dallas 12/26/69, McFarlin Auditorium, are complementary in their clarity and consistency thanks to Bear himself, and in their ability to foreshadow where the Dead were headed in the years to come. If the two killer 20-minute+ "Dark Stars" don't get ya, how about the Pigpen-centric sets featuring "Midnight Hour," "Next Time You See Me," "Big Boss Man," "Good Lovin'," and the once-lost-now-found complete rendition of "Dancing In The Streets," or the first full acoustic set ever performed? And we're certain you'll be fascinated to uncover the "Mystery Of Bear's Banana Boxes" as told by Starfinder Stanley, Hawk, and Pete Bell in the liners.

 

Limited to 25,000 numbered copies, DAVE’S PICKS VOLUME 43 was recorded by Owlsey "Bear" Stanley and has been mastered to HDCD specs by Jeffrey Norman at Mockingbird Mastering. Grab a copy while you can.

 

*2 per order. Very limited quantity available.

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Submitted by Cousins Of The… on Tue, 10/18/2022 - 13:12

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Great rock and roll singer, always with a killer band(L!nk Wray, Chris Spedding, Danny Gatton)

Had to add "!" in Mr. Wray's first name...Dead.net barked.

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Robert Gordon Are You Gonna' Be the One
Weyes Blood Titanic Rising
Beach Boys Live 1968 (8 soundboards in 1 box set)
GD 3-10-81 (Bob MIA in the mix - almost sounds like JGB at times)
Cactus Blossoms One Day

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Submitted by alvarhanso on Tue, 10/18/2022 - 18:28

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On UM, I've seen them about a dozen times over the last 20 years, mainly when they've been on a co-bill. They are incredibly proficient musicians, they kill killer covers, and take adventurous chances improvisationally. However, I don't really gel with them, never have. Too much prog in the jam for my tastes. Phish has prog out the wazoo, but they incoporate so much more groove.

Which brings me back to that Eleven search. That song is more like classical rock, since it's years before people thought of labeling prog as such, and Phil was classically trained along with that avant garde training. There's the weird waltzing rhythm, the dynamic ebbs and flows, and Jerry ripping a composed piece with increasing ferocity, all while Phil goes from rapid-fire eighth notes to huge counterpoint chords, and Mickey has the time of his life. A request had been made for where that list stood, a nice weekend up to Quebec put off an answer til now, but it also gave me a chance to relisten to a couple, which changed things a bit:
1 2/28/69 mainly ahead of the pack for the few minutes of Phil and Jerry bobbing and weaving around each other, for some of it by themselves very quietly, and this one is nearly flawless.
2 1/2/70 DaP 30 this one surprised me, did not recall it being this good. Of course, this is an A++ Dark Star sequence at that show anyway, but this is a really hot Eleven.
3 3/2/69 going into it, thought this would be easily the best based on previous listens where I was blown away, mainly by Phil's ability to improvise in 11 the way he does in this one that he doesn't do the rest of the Fillmore West run. Yet I still liked the FE one from 10 months later slightly better.
4 3/1/69 being the third best version of the Eleven out of four in four nights isn't that bad. Still well executed and a rousing version. I've long felt this show's wad was shot with That's It For The Other One opening, but it's still great primal Dead.
5 12/11/69 DaP Bonus Disc 2014 very nice, tight version that goes ridiculously into an early Cumberland Blues.
6 11/8/69 DiP 16 this show was just ridiculous, especially that dream continuous second set.
7 2/27/69 the Dark Star is on Live/Dead, but they skipped this Eleven because it's shaky from a few guys at a couple different spots. Phil is all over it, and the jam is great because Jerry gets over his initial stumbles and makes up for it with some fiery work. But since my goal was a really great version that is also nailed, I knocked it down a bit. Which leads to my last eighth note on The Eleven
8 11/2/69 DaP 43 the big thing that throws me on this one is the drum break by Mickey and re-entry bomb by Phil being uncharacteristically off. Some others aren't so smooth either, this one maybe was the most awkward. It's a small thing, but this guy is definitely going to be more impressed by one where they nail that bomb like the Fillmore West Run where they played it each night, and had it DOWN. But I do love this last Dave's Picks Dark Star sequence. The Dark Star, St Stephen are A+, The Eleven an A-, but that oh so deft segue into Death Don't Have No Mercy, maybe the best one I've heard (happy for suggestions to knock it from that personal perch), is just fantastic.

Sorry for the lengthy diversion. Dave's 44 looks promising. MSG not sounding so promising. If it's around in six months, I'll probably bite the bullet then. Dave's 2023 subs are right around the corner, that's the best hundred bucks I spend every year.

ETA: I unfortunately had to limit my choices to what I had on USB drives in my car, just moved a couple weeks ago, and the computer is still in a box, so the Download Series and other versions from 1968-69 weren't readily available. Dick's Picks 26 has 2 versions! I will need to set up that very computer for the creation of the disc, so may give them a spin whenever I get around to that :)

I finally got through the whole MSG box and gave a few shows a second listen. I enjoyed it and am glad I have it but it's just not the strongest box set they've ever put out. I think deadtony had one of the better one liners on the MSG thread, suffice for a review.. "Love me some dirty 80s." Pretty much sums it up.

I would consider getting the stand alone show (3/9/81) if the cost of the box and space issues are driving your decision. It's probably the strongest performance of the bunch and I think it sounds the best of what is in the box. Down and dirty Grateful Dead, Cliffs notes edition. You would be missing the pretty tripped out wild colored box art, but... that's all flare and flash, albiet trippy flare and flash.

Just something to consider.

Back to whatever it was you were doing or listening to, screwing up or making just exactly perfect.

I'd bet a buffalo nickel they play Viola Lee Blues. That song lends itself well to a full brass sound.

So Vegas odds we see a Viola over the weekend.

For what it's worth, the horns player Phil had for the first three nights was fantastic. An Energizer Bunny if I've ever seen one. Karl Denson. Check this guy out, he's the real deal.. funk and jazz, a perfect fit.

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Submitted by daverock on Wed, 10/19/2022 - 01:57

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Amen, Cousins. "The Humbler" and "The Real Humbler", with Danny Gatton, are two are my favourite rock n' roll albums. Robert Gordon was also a pretty good writer on Southern rock n' roll/blues/soul. Three on my book shelf are "It Came From Memphis", "Respect Your Self-Stax Records and The Soul Explosion" and "I Can't be Satisfied-the Life and Times of Muddy Waters"
Alvar - great post on "The Eleven"-cheers. I always think of "classic rock" as being a bit of a negative description though - an attempt to make rock music socially acceptable. It always seems to be attached to very successful bands at the very point that they have lost their edge. Music your dad would like. Or your kids, come to that. Not a description that fits Eleven era Dead exactly.

Last 5 - none of which are socially acceptable. Hopefully
Nasty Rockabilly Volume 1. Various
Dust On The Nettles cd 3 Various
Live at The Venue, London 4/19/80 The Cramps
Chasin' The Bird cd 1 Charlie Parker
Complete Motown Singles 1966 cd 2 Various ( damn. It's still really good though)

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Submitted by dmcvt on Wed, 10/19/2022 - 07:22

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Always appreciate hints to favorites/bests lists, was on a Viola Lee Blues quest a while back mice elf. Knowing at least one or two of my Dead loving friends would pick up the MSG big box and facing serious media overload/storage conditions, went for the 3CD package, am happy to have just it. Did stream much of the other shows before decision. Also thought the advance promo artwork at announcement was weird, now seeing part of it on the 3CD, also get it. Would suggest if any of y'all have a black light, check it out, those are florescent inks. Full disclosure, I held on to almost all my lighting effects from back in the day, makes me laugh still, thinking of UV posters and painted basement or attic hang outs. Recently picked up yet unheard Bruce Hornsby's Intersections, very nice extended foray into nooks and crannies of his great talent.

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Submitted by Cousins Of The… on Wed, 10/19/2022 - 09:53

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Going through the box one more time; listening to 9/21/82, what really bugs me is that the Charlie Miller on the archive sounds better in general, more crisp; box version almost sounds like some noise reduction was applied. Anyone else??

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Submitted by JeffSmith on Wed, 10/19/2022 - 13:35

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Thanks for the suggestion DMCVT: The MSG box does indeed go crazy(ier) under UV light!

Edit: Oh yeah, that was IceCream that suggested a 6 foot blacklight poster several days ago. Maybe TPTB are working on it right now? Black Light Friday? . . . Just in time for Christmas? . . . But can mail innovations handle mailing tubes?

I had previously suggested that dead net sell a 6-foot wide black light poster this holiday season.
We’ll see what Black (Light) Friday at dead net brings.
Hint, hint dead net.

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Submitted by JimInMD on Thu, 10/20/2022 - 20:40

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I will have to check it out. I did think casually that the early 80 Millers chosen for 30 trips sounded better than the official released versions, thinking especially 82 Manor Downs. I think Jeffrey has gotten better at working with the cassette masters, but for this subset of recordings there was not a huge bump between the good millers and the released versions. This is one of the first (if not the first) that received the Plangent treatment. 3/9 sounds great and 3/10 to a lesser extent, but to my ears they do not sustain this mark as the box continues.

Still I like it and am glad I purchased it, but this one will be a test. Not everyone is going to dig each and every show in this box.

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Submitted by fourwindsblow on Mon, 11/07/2022 - 05:18

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I'll bet the missing fall '72 reels are in there too!

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Submitted by JimInMD on Mon, 11/07/2022 - 08:12

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Good to see you Four Winds.

Regarding Fall '72 Reels, Google Dick Latvala Introduces The Philo Stomp

It will bring you to a radio broadcast with Latvala on the Grateful Seconds blog where he seems to introduce the term Philo Stomp. Philo Stomp is a whole other conversation totally worthy of exploration.. but back to the point, Dick suggests there is a cache of Bear Reels that seem to not be indexed or included as vault shows but do exist, many of these from Fall 1972.

To quote Latvala from the hijacked Gans radio broadcast:

"I did go into Bear's Secret Stash and I did find a lot of fall '72 shows...."

This one's for you, HendrixFreak.

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Submitted by fourwindsblow on Tue, 11/08/2022 - 02:06

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Hey Jim good to see you too!

That is awesome!

I have a feeling that 46 might just be 10/24 with over an hour of 10/23 or it could be from July '74.

Edited: This supposed to be Dave's Picks 46

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Submitted by Forensicdoceleven on Tue, 11/08/2022 - 04:48

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Mornin', rockers................

A box without hinges, key, or lid, yet golden treasure inside is hid..............

It appears that a hidden treasure has recently leaked out---the Carousel shows from June 8 and 9, 1968. OK, it's fragmented, and incomplete, but it's choice primal Dead. Anybody who needs/wants, you know where to find me...........

One of Bear's fall 1972 recordings is already out----one of the Boston Music Hall shows from September. Excellent quality. So yes, those appear to be in there. Let's all sign the HF petition and get that Fall 72 box put out...........

Our treasure lies in the beehive of our knowledge. We are perpetually on the way thither, being by nature winged insects and honey gatherers of the mind........

Rock on,

Doc
If love is the treasure, laughter is the key.........

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Submitted by fourwindsblow on Tue, 11/08/2022 - 05:49

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If they found the missing reels from the November Texas run that would make a great box.

To turn one of these dead threads into the most exciting thing happening at dead.net. 43 seems like it could harbor safe discussions well past the required three-month expiration date. What a great Dave's Pick, seems like a cool place to freak freely.

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Submitted by fourwindsblow on Wed, 11/09/2022 - 02:39

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Welcome to the underground!

2/19/73 A++

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Submitted by JimInMD on Thu, 11/10/2022 - 17:01

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I'm in. Short show, apparently no first set.

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Submitted by fourwindsblow on Fri, 11/11/2022 - 01:44

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Hi Jim

Apparently that is all that they played NRPS opened, but what is there is played perfectly. I don't know if they have reels of this set as I think Dick said he only found cassettes. If there looking for a live one disk companion for release with Wake of the Flood 50th this gets my vote. ;-)

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Submitted by bluecrow on Fri, 11/11/2022 - 04:45

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4 Winds, Yes - I think 2/19 is missing some reels(?) in the vault. What circulates is indeed an A++ fantastic sequence. Also, Dead wore their Nudie Suits and there are good photos. I've wanted a whole show release miracle for years, just like DaP 6 2/2/70, where the missing reels got returned decades later. In the end a cleaned up one disc release of this gem would be awesome also if that's all they've got.

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Submitted by fourwindsblow on Fri, 11/11/2022 - 09:16

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Hey Bluecrow, that would be great if they did have a whole show to release everyone just sounds fantastic!

What we have on the archive is from master cassette recorded by Bear and they really sound great I could only imagine what the sbd reels sound like. They say Bear always recorded on reel to reel and cassette so it could be that they are in the newly opened Bear boxes.

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Submitted by JimInMD on Fri, 11/11/2022 - 09:35

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I caught this yesterday, thanks 4winds..

Archive dt Org has a user comment of someone that claims to have been there. He said the New Riders opened and the the GD only played one set. Not sure if it's true or not.. Phil was on this night, however.

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Submitted by fourwindsblow on Fri, 11/11/2022 - 12:05

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From right here on dead net.

International Amphitheatre February 19, 1973

My best show ever!! Worst seat in the house. New Riders were fun, first set was OK. Second set involved numerous trips to edge city and back. They wore the Nudie suits, but who cared!

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Submitted by JimInMD on Fri, 11/11/2022 - 13:34

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Interesting. Much of the time for shows that either didn't circulate or only circulated as partials, the setlists are inaccurate or incomplete and when the source tapes surface the setlists are amended. In other words.. goes to show you don't never know.

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Submitted by JimInMD on Sat, 11/12/2022 - 21:26

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pfffft.. ahhh.

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Submitted by icecrmcnkd on Sun, 11/13/2022 - 09:05

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Not on the list of returned reels.
Check the banana boxes.

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Submitted by JimInMD on Tue, 11/15/2022 - 15:08

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Oh.. were you looking for those reels? Sorry.. forgot to put them back. Now where did I put them.. hold this thought.

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Submitted by 1stshow70878 on Tue, 11/15/2022 - 15:21

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Fill me in again. Why is a Feb.1970 Fillmore East box not possible? Something about the Allmans, others being there too? Or is it that there's already some of that out there on Bear's Choice, Dick's 4.
Just noticed Dave dabbling into this on last week's Tapers selection of 2-11-70b (which has a Cumberland), the first 5 songs before the Allmans and Peter Green come on stage. Thanks and sorry if this has been covered already.
Cheers

It's been discussed.. but it's a big fat head scratcher. If they released the whole thing, uncut in order it would get gobbled up. As for the guests.. I can't see anyone on either side putting up a fuss at this point. Most of them are dead now anyway... and the ones that are alive, at least on the GD side wouldn't get fussy about it.

It could be how to cut the pie and split the profits or perhaps incompetence? I don't know. ....or as Mr. Burns would say, "Smithers.. release the reels"

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Submitted by fourwindsblow on Wed, 11/16/2022 - 02:42

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I've been thinking for a while about a dueling West meets East, Fillmore box. February '70 would be great if the missing reels have been found.

Bear's taping run came to an end in 1970. After the New Orleans bust, the Fillmore East shows in February were the last ones Bear could tape out-of-state, as he was confined to California after that. The Dead apparently kept taping themselves until June - Bob Matthews became the soundman and taped several shows we know of that May (5/1, 5/2, 5/14, 5/15), and probably many of their other spring shows as well. Presumably the Fillmore West tapes up to June are Bear's work. The last shows he recorded were at San Rafael in July '70, before going off to prison.

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Submitted by fourwindsblow on Fri, 11/18/2022 - 05:12

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peel back those banana boxes I'm running low on potassium!

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Submitted by JimInMD on Sun, 11/20/2022 - 07:32

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I suspect lots of fall 72 and other early recorded stuff just might surface one day.

If so.. it's amazing to me that still, after 50 years, some of these ancient reels are finally making their way either back to the vault or into the hands of Lemieux, Norman and the folks at Plangent.

And before we cast off into subjects unknown, what ever became of the returned Mountain Girl reels? No one even knows what they are, no information is available on these other than we know they exist.

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Submitted by fourwindsblow on Tue, 11/22/2022 - 02:12

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On the end of Dave's 2023 sub's video he says "gotta go proof two shows" I think it's DaP 46 he was talking about he also said that the "Bonus disc will compliment the main part of the release." Two shows from fall '72 is my guess (10/23 and 24 would be great) no sbds of these two shows which would be great for subscription sales. These two shows have a lot of the same songs in the first set to me these songs are played better on the 24th so no need for the two full show's to be released.

Happy Thanksgiving!

I always wondered why (with two exceptions), the rest of this mini tour went unreleased. The same could be said with the same time of the year 1973.

I feel some of these shows are already queued or at least in the running.

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Submitted by daverock on Sat, 11/26/2022 - 04:20

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My normal practice these days is to play new releases once, and then put them on the shelf to be rediscovered at a later date. But that has gone out of the window with this release . I keep getting drawn back to it. This must mean that it is my favourite release of the last 5 years or so.

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Submitted by 1stshow70878 on Wed, 11/30/2022 - 07:13

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The Family Dog at the Great Highway, S.F., CA.
2-27-1970
2-28-1970
3-01-1970
Hmm... just thinkin'. Mini-box?
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Submitted by 1stshow70878 on Wed, 11/30/2022 - 07:14

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Dbl. post.
But since I'm here,
30 days was fun this year.
Cheers

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Submitted by JimInMD on Wed, 11/30/2022 - 10:10

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We know Bear was able to and did tape shows in California for much of 1970. Prior to trial & sentencing etc., California was fair game.

Dave has played a few segments from the Fall 1979 tour lately in Today in GD History yesterday being 11/29/79 Cleveland Public Hall. He was hyping up the performances and recordings from this tour, commenting something to the effect that there were several of these shows considered for release, spelling out Pittsburgh in addition to the Cape Cod show included in 30 trips. He added there are a few in this tour that are releasable, and he wouldn't be surprised to see some of these get selected perhaps sooner rather than later.

All this seems in line with subscription picks in recent years. Life is good.

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Submitted by JimInMD on Mon, 01/16/2023 - 23:41

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Blooming Awful

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Submitted by jonathan918@GD on Sat, 04/01/2023 - 07:11

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When first released I only listened once or twice (life was busy at the time) However, I have spent some quality time with 43 the last couple of days. It's funny how sometimes you play a pick that's been on the shelf awhile only to realize, holy smokes, this baby is a keeper!!

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