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  • topchinacat
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    I managed to get to all the Ventura shows, being only a couple hours north of LA .... always a fun time on the beach ... great setting, good music... even managed a couple of decent photos of Uncle Jerry & the Boys and Bill Graham (backstage). But by far and away, the 7/13/84 (Dark Star returns!) show is one of the stand out moments of all the 50+ shows I saw in the early/mid 80's. When Phil comes out to the mic after the show and says ".... something special, one time only" (not an exact quote), the place went ape-shot! AND it was a tight, at pace, driving 15 minutes or so that no one wanted to end. Friday 13th at the Greek... how could there ever be a better Dead experience!!!

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    4 20 69

    Wow. Interesting twist on the setlist.

  • billy the kiddd
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    Crazy Fingers returns. Ventura, fun times!

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    clarification

    7/18/82 happened before we met
    7/13/84 is in keeping with the GD theme

    Meeting her and then the birthing as a bundle of family related stuff

    I mean...7/18/82 and 7/13/84 were MINDBLOWING and LIFE CHANGING.

    I figured I would meet the right young maiden at some point.

    I'll be quiet now.

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    Chop ups should be complete but fragments are neat…

    I'm definitely a complete show kind of head like many of you. And I think there are staples we could all agree upon that should be released in their entirety: Fillmore East February 1970, Fillmore East April 1971, and Winterland October 1974 are easy examples to come up with. Now with the Dicks Picks series, Mr. Latvala from what I have read was a little particular about shows. It's somewhat not surprising but reading through the often shared “Grateful Dead Miscellany” , Dick goes into his thoughts on many shows. This includes what he thinks may be released in the future. Some of his commentary does talk about shows that won't be necessarily released in their entirety based upon what he felt was the quality of the music (mostly) and available rels at that time. Here is a quote from him from that site about the 11/30/73, 12/1/73, 12/2/73 shows:

    “As for the run at Boston at the end of the month and the beginning of December, well I would have to say that it is just that, "a run of shows". What I mean here is that I see using these 3 nights as a 3-4 cd release of the "best of a run" kind of deal. Not one of the 3 stands out on it's own, but in combo, they will deliver some of the absolutely finest playing of the year!!!”

    That gives a little insight into maybe why some shows, at least when Dick was in charge, only got released in part or in fragments. I do think it is important to note that Dave L still puts out shows that Dick L held in high regard too.

    For the current times, I think we have a much fuller vault to work with the returned Betty Reels. We have definitely seen the fruits of that return in the form of many shows being released in their entirety. However, I guess there are still some shows that are incomplete or, as the old Dick’s Picks caveat used to read, where the sound was affected by “the ravages of time”. For the 2023 DaP bonus disc, the situation is as per the email:

    “There are two shows in September 1972 for which there are not complete recordings, either because of missing reels, or because of technical issues. The 2023 subscribers' Bonus Disc features the best material that sounded great from these two shows”

    It is hard to know exactly what is and is not affected by technical issues. Then of course what material was not affected but left off the bonus disc. Knowing how great Dave L has treated us , he often finds a way to get this missing material out if he can. Maybe it will be filler on another release or it will come out in a future 30 Days of Dead (if it hasn't already).

    With all of that, I often wonder if we would ever get complete releases of those shows that were chopped-up from many years ago. That is assuming that everything is contained in the vault and of releasable sound quality. I would certainly welcome it but at the same time if we're just stuck with chopped-up shows or fragments I think I can be OK with that. For me, I know looking towards the future, I'm really hoping that the vault gets mined for the other high profile shows that haven't been given the official release. I'm not knowledgeable enough to speak on the time it takes to put all these together other than I know we get quarterly releases of the DaP series, often an anniversary edition re-release, an LP for record store day, and one big box set per year. So, I guess the question begs, is there enough time and resources for Dave L and the crew to return to some of these old shows and put them out in their entirety without sacrificing the regular schedule of releases?

  • 1stshow70878
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    Sprogs

    A term for babies, 1940s military slang term.
    From obsolete mediaeval or pre-mediaeval English word "sprag",
    for a "lively young man". I like to keep up with Daverock and also with the continentals. Makes me feel smarter to speak the King's english.
    Cheers

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    Does your wife know she's 3rd on the list??
    I just had to chuckle, and yes, my wife knows she barely even MAKES the list!! Merry Christmas to All, and a Happy Hanukkah as well.

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    Hendrixfreak yes you are right about Bobby saying is there a doctor in the house at Englishtown. At Watkins Glen there was a young girl to our left about 25 feet and was ready to pop. It was raining and we saw her friends helping her to get up and leave...later we heard she gave birth. not sure if it was on the ground or in an Ambulance. and Savoy Brown I remember seeing them at the Filmore East right before Christmas with I think Poco, If I rememer Paul Cotton just replaced Jim Messina in Poco. At Penn State Poco was a big hit in all the Dorms with their music blasting out the windows. All these memories are making me feel old but Happy

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    No sprogs born at Watkins Glen ?

    You would have thought there would have been, in a crowd that size in 1973.

    Chalk me up for fragments too. You only have to look at the ones that have already come out - especially the incomplete shows in Dicks Picks and Road Trips - to see how well they can work.

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    No worries

    Here's a confession: I can't keep this forum straight! I've got 1st show and proudfoot mixed up and, hey, where did I put that pipe?

    Kim Simmonds, yeah! Flying V, A Hard Way to Go, A Step Further -- man, got into Savoy Brown in about 1970 and a couple years ago I bought a couple of their early albums on 2 LPs on one CD production. Good to have just plain hard rockin'!

    Hey Chuck, didn't Weir announce from the stage that they needed to get her out of the crowd and "is there a doctor in the house?" At the Glen I didn't hear anything about babies appearing, but I do recall the sky diver, who made a long descent, then I believe triggered a flare that burned him to death as he descended just outside the bounds of the crowd. Horrible! But 50 years on, is there a joke in there somewhere? I guess he was burning to see the Dead... I mean, that guy was smokin'....(sorry!!)

    Well, April 2023 should be pretty tasty: spring (of sorts here) and 4-5 hrs of fall '72 GD and the upside is, some tracks from my first show. Make that glass half-full, now that I'm done with the one-man pity party!

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holy crap Vguy, just read your previous post about being accosted by a lunatic in the grocery store with a concealed weapon because you had on........a dead shirt that had a really great message on it. Make Amerika Grateful Again. It's a good message, it's not really making fun, is it? I have seen this shirt and I think it is awesome. In the grocery store, concealed weapon, what the hell is happening to this country? It has all ready started, the republicans and the last person in the white house who shall not be named, are all ready talking about rigged elections. It may be too soon to say it, but is it over for this experiment that is a free republic? I voted, I made sure my 96 yr old mother in law voted (blue) and I have signed up to take people to the poles who can't get there on tuesday. That's all I can do. I won't go out and antagonize crazies who are poll watching or conceal carry to intimidate anyone, but I will do what ever I can to stop this madnesss that is trying to take over this country. You showed great restraint Vguy, when he grabbed you, how did you not remove his hand, did you grab his hand and ask him to let you go? How did you get him to let you go? was it the crowd? cowards Make America Grateful Again, political rant over and apologizes to any and all who I might have offended.
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Since you ask. Not here in UK yet. Mine is still in CA awaiting processing in Fontana. After 2 weeks I finally have an alternate tracking number, that ends FR so it is going to go to France once it starts moving. Should be here in the next couple of weeks but that’s normal.

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Barnum: well said

Vguy: you showed admirable restraint. If that had happened to me, cops may have been called.

Be well everyone, except... you know who.

\m/

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Drummer and Singer with Low. I’ve enjoyed their music for many years.

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....to answer the question, he let go of me on his own. I think he realized that people around were starting to take notice. Some phones were starting to come out. Like I said, he wasn't exactly whispering and I'm glad a video of the interaction didn't hit social media should that conversation had gone on longer. The entire event lasted maybe 30 seconds.
I'm not 100% against conceal carrying. I mean, I own a couple of firearms. Would I conceal carry though? No. But I do worry about the mental stability of those that do. Its a slippery slope of a topic. That dude had crazy eyes though and the last thing I was going to do was stoop to his level of anger and stupidity even though i did feel my blood pressure rising. Not worth my time.
It's the day and age we unfortunately live in and will not change overnight.
Time to tune into the Dolphins vs da Bears. Wearing my Marino jersey today. Muted with TTB on the big boy stereo.
And extra hour of sleep today was nice.
Here's a hot take. I think America was great before you know who ran on a campaign saying that it wasn't.
Now, it's not too great. Thanks jerk.
I will piggy back pt's comment of so many admitted election denyers running for political offices. Concerning to say the least.
Ain't no time to hate. Barely time to wait. Take care out there peeps, because you never know.
Thanks for bearing with me. Y'all are the best 💚

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Has anyone ever had to reach out to Dead.net about a botched delivery on a Dave's Picks? Mine was marked "delivered, in/at mailbox" on Thursday but was not there and has not popped up in subsequent days either.

If I reach out to Dead.net is there any chance they'll ship me a new copy?

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....happened to me once. Said it was delivered, but didn't actually show up until three days later.
Dave's 40 I believe.
Pm Marye. She has our backs.

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Their Christmas EP is a tradition in our house Xmas day. I like that one a lot.

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....to all the movie heads out there, may I highly recommend All Quiet On The Western Front on Netflix.
Intense with grate cinematography.
War is hell.

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To answer my own question, the a capaella version of Brokedown Palace is by The Persuasions from a 2000 cd called Might As Well, The Persuasions sing the Grateful Dead

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....I will check them out. Parry doing the research. Thanks Frank!
It's a far gone lullaby
Sung many years ago
Mama, mama, many worlds I've come
Since I first left home.
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GG in Chicago. Moving on from TTB to King Gizzard's Ice, Death, Planets, Lungs, Mushrooms and Lava. Solid album from front to back. Psychedelia greatness. Found out they played here in Vegas in April. Right before I discovered them. Doh!!
I'll catch them eventually.

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Yes Frank! I'll be looking for that one.
Love The Persuasions.
Cheers

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V, I am also a handgun owner, and long time NRA member. If I'm out in public, I almost never carry. I live in a primarily crime free 10 mile area, and have no need to carry such a weapon, but my apartment is a different story. I feel sorry for the sap who breaks through the door at night uninvited. He better be armed to the teeth. Especially if my daughter is over. David Crosby got into some trouble over the years for gun ownership, but he is famous, and a little crazy. I have a lot of respect for guns, and I never used them for harm.......or did I? Dap 44 sure builds up in speed as it plays. Good show.

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'Love buzz'. I used to love Mariska veres back in the late 70s. It's a pretty defining song that was the 60s.

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YEP. I love all in the family. I think Lionel said it. What movie?

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Guns?

Statistics show you're more likely to shoot a loved one or have it used on you than you actually shooting "the intruder".

(great Gabriel song)

I was shocked to learn (recently) that half the handgun deaths are suicide!

Finally, I always think of the Harry Carey's line from Angel and the Badman.

The only man who needs a gun, is a man who carries a gun.

Hope I didn't start a huge argument like I mentioned politics,,,,,, or Andy Williams. I will never understand the Andy haters!

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.... did I read right?

Does Taylor Swift have all 10 slots of the top 10 taken up?

That's a wild thing!!! I don't think I'd could tell you one TS song!

And now Dennis the evil bastardo is ratcheting up the fear machine with threats of Andy Williams!
The Horror!

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While sorting thru an enormous amount of "stuff", came across "Art Jackson's Atrocity - Gout" album.

Anyone hear of it?

Was supposed to be a joke or mystery album?

Supposed to be psychedelic album,,,, a quick jab at a few cuts showed maybe,,, maybe a fusion album. But the web pages that came up intrigued me.

Knowledge and thoughts?

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Don't let the sweaters fool ya. Andy could cut a bitch faster than you could say Englebert Humperdink!

Moon River deep enough to hide, I dump the bodies there you see.

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Anyone else remember the tv special ‘The H Andrew Williams Kaleidoscope Company’ where Andy went ‘hip’? My limited memory of it has a guest appearance by Simon and Garfunkel.

Dennis obviously has a Blank Space for TS but I’m sure he can Shake It Off otherwise ‘We are never, ever, getting back together.

All in the Family was based on the UK show ‘til death us do part. This is a show which is difficult to watch now with its casual racism and bigotry but did lead The Monkees (Mickey Dolenz) to write ‘Alternate Title’ which was originally called ‘Randy Scouse Git’ after the name used by Alf Garnett in the show for his Liverpool born son in law.

I’d advise everyone to get out and vote to Make America Sensible Again but it’s not going to happen. This, of course, is coming from someone in a country being run by a group of expletive deleted.

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A one hour musical special that aired on April 28, 1968 on NBC. Guest stars included: Ray Charles and The Raylettes, Burt Bacharach, Simon and Garfunkel and Mama Cass Elliott. Quite interesting use of the kaleidoscope meaning with appropriate for the time psychedelic backgrounds and some excellent music.

Never saw this and I was a big andy fan. Watched his tv show every week. ah, the cookie eating bear and mr echo.

This might be up to watch,,,, I'm going back to check.

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Andy is just a bit milquetoast for me. But you like what you like.

If he had covered Waiting for the Man by VU, that would have scored him some points from me.

"It's the most wonderful rush of the year
my skin it is itching
my eyes they are twitching
and now I'm strung ouuuuut"

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I replied to our old friend FourWinds comment on the Dave's 43 thread, but this is worth a repost here. Shoutout to our dear friend FourWinds

This one's for you HendrixFreak

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Regarding Fall '72 Reels, Google Dick Latvala Introduces The Philo Stomp

It will bring you to a David Gans radio broadcast with guest host Dick Latvala on the Grateful Seconds blog where he seems to introduce the term Philo Stomp. Philo Stomp is a whole other conversation totally worthy of exploration.. but back to the point, Dick suggests there is a cache of Bear Reels that seem to not be indexed or included as vault shows but do exist, many of these from Fall 1972.

To quote Latvala from the hijacked Gans radio broadcast:

"I did go into Bear's Secret Stash and I did find a lot of fall '72 shows...."

Check it out. An interesting and pertinent chunk of history.
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In other news:
Americans told not to lick psychedelic toads

Hikers in the US have been warned to “refrain from licking” psychedelic toads. Officials said the Sonoran Desert Toad secretes a potent toxin that can make people sick if they touch the frog or get the poison in their mouths. The substance is sometimes crystalised and smoked as a psychedelic substance, said the New York Times. However, writing on Facebook, the National Park service described the potential risks as “toad-ally terrifying”.

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Andy Williams and guns? Can't think how we got here but it did remind me of Andy's love Claudine and a rhyme from a curious incident. "Along came a Spider and sat down beside her, and she blew the poor !@#$er away." Determined to be an accident under suspicious circumstances as I recall. Sabitch was a hell of a skier. Now back to Eugene for a second go.
Cheers
Oh, and there's a Philo Stomp in today's 30 Days 'o Dead.

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Strange days have found us
Strange days have tracked us down
They're going to destroy
Our casual joys
We shall go on playing
Or find a new town

Profound words on The Doors title track to their second album. My company just laid off 25% of IT. My team is now down to two, same headcount when I joined the company almost 10 years ago and we've grown 500% since then from an infrastructure perspective. I thought I was done, but I architected the latest and most complex solutions we have, so might have bought some time.

Unbelievable VGuy - you have such a gregarious personality and being towering in height, not sure what was his major malfunction. Glad you didn't go Gunny Sgt Hartman on the loser: "What is your major malfunction, numbnuts? Didn't Mommy and Daddy show you enough attention when you were a child?"

Loving DaP44 - reminiscent of the great shows I got to see from '87 onward...

Still working my way thru the MSG box - Glad they have this era represented but kind of a tough slog for me. Not having Bobby's guitar in the mix was a bit of a shock for the one of the shows on the yearly major release. I'm sure I will enjoy the nuances of Jerry's guitar with more listens.

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The San Francisco Chronicle today has a couple of decent articles on the 50th Anniversary of Sweetwater in Mill Valley and its history and upcoming shows and celebrations there. (For any who may not know, Weir is a co-owner of the latest version of this venue).

Search for them on sfchronicle dot com. Sometimes they'll block you and ask you to subscribe, other times they're open to read. Don't ask me why, but I'm not a subscriber and was able to access them this morning.

The best 2 shows I saw there over the years (at the original location) were Jorma and Jack Cassady in their acoustic blues duo - front row chairs - and Dan Hicks and band with his ever witty swing tunes. Good times.

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The San Francisco Chronicle today has a couple of decent articles on the 50th Anniversary of Sweetwater in Mill Valley and its history and upcoming shows and celebrations there. (For any who may not know, Weir is a co-owner of the latest version of this venue).

Search for them on sfchronicle dot com. Sometimes they'll block you and ask you to subscribe, other times they're open to read. Don't ask me why, but I'm not a subscriber and was able to access them this morning.

The best 2 shows I saw there over the years (at the original location) were Jorma and Jack Cassady in their acoustic blues duo - front row chairs - and Dan Hicks and band with his ever witty swing tunes. Good times.

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The San Francisco Chronicle today has a couple of decent articles on the 50th Anniversary of Sweetwater in Mill Valley and its history and upcoming shows and celebrations there. (For any who may not know, Weir is a co-owner of the latest version of this venue).

Search for them on sfchronicle website. Sometimes they'll block you and ask you to subscribe, other times they're open to read. Don't ask me why, but I'm not a subscriber and was able to access them this morning.

The best 2 shows I saw there over the years (at the original location) were Jorma and Jack Cassady in their acoustic blues duo - front row chairs - and Dan Hicks and band with his ever witty swing tunes. Good times.

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I saw Elizabeth Cotton play at the Sweetwater, also saw Frank Wakefield and David Nelson play there. We would always stop at Village Music before we went to the Sweetwater. Great little place to see music.

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Sorry for the multiple posts. Problems with Captcha and website operation.

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I saw David Nelson there at the new venue also just before the pandemic IIRC. Also Eric Thompson, a good local bluegrass picker.

Village Music was definitely an institution, lots of the famous used to stop in there.

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Great guitar player, I saw him and David Nelson play over at the orIginal Freight & Salvage a couple of times, I taped both shows. We would always go to Everett & Jones Bbq after seeing shows in Berkeley

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You provide a tantalizing glimpse at what could be.... the discovery of the missing first reel to my first show, 9-19-72, which may still await us in Bear's mystery reels. I have alerted the OSF to look for that 1st reel setlist and get that entire show archived. Naturally, at the time -- a newly minted 15 year old with only GD records for reference -- I couldn't have told you that it was a hot show, only that it went on so freakin' long ("What are these people ON? Ohhh....") But we know with the benefit of hindsight that late August to early November '72 that band was on a streak.

Lettuce prey!

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Road Trips and Dick's Picks.
Once a year CD sale.
DiPs 2, 11, 14 are back again too.
Cheers

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1stshow beat me to it, but man there's some tasty stuff and I went for it like a fish for the hook.

Jesse Ed Davis solo CD
Willie Nelson earliest solo demos
Art Blakey (just becuz)
Bob Wills & Texas Playboys (just becuz)
DP 34 (inexplicably missing from the collection, which has lots of hot Nov '77)

I had to resist ordering duplicates of Feb '68, April '69 etc because ... why???

On to speculation for the 2nd Dave's for 2023, which is to be revealed prior to subscription shutdown in ???

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Anyone else had the following situation? I ordered a Dave's Picks subscription on day one of announcement and had my credit card charged but on payment screen received a message "order could not be placed". No email confirmation or order number received despite payment taken.
Dead.net support not replying to my emails. Very poor service as I have been an annual subscriber from DaP1.

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I am going with 10/24/72 with bonus from 10/23 or two shows from July '74.

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2 full shows from Owsleys boxes from 1968, 1969 or 1970. One full show will be the bonus disc.

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1st guess- 7/27&28/73
2nd- 6/10/73 with po 6/9
3rd- 5/26/73
Last 3, 4? Years, second pick has been 73 or 74. Last year was 74, so…?

WOTF bonus: 9/15 or 17/73. If you count WRS all as one song these are the only 2 shows with 6 songs off the album and their good shows!

Box: summer 73

I suggest placing another order using a different browser, and even a different credit card.

Then tell the first credit card company to cancel payment because the retailer does not have a record or your purchase.

Also, you don’t need to create an account to place an order, you can check out as guest.
Worked for me.

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