WHAT'S INSIDE:
Madison Square Garden 3/9/81
Madison Square Garden 3/10/81
Madison Square Garden 9/20/82
Madison Square Garden 9/21/82
Madison Square Garden 10/11/83
Madison Square Garden 10/12/83
Newly restored and speed-corrected audio by Plangent Processes
Mastered by Jeffrey Norman
Liners by award-winning music journalist David Fricke
Artwork by Dave Van Patten
Individually Numbered, Limited Edition Of 12,500
“Welcome to the unique, enduring phenomenon of the Grateful Dead in New York City, a mutual devotion, forged in concert, that ran for nearly as long as the band itself—from June 1, 1967, a free show in Tompkins Square Park on the Lower East Side (ahead of the band’s official, local bow at the Cafe Au Go Go), to the Dead’s last Garden run, six nights in October 1994…the Dead’s affinity for New York City…was instant and arguably their most profound with any city aside from San Francisco.” - David Fricke
They got on the bus to the Port Authority, rode in on the Long Island Railroad and the New Jersey Transit line. They traveled North, South, and West on the 1, 2, and 3 subway lines, their numbers growing as they descended upon Penn Station. Some rolled up in those iconic New York yellows. Some walked excitedly through the bright lights of Broadway and Times Square, meeting up with old friends on the way and picking up a few new ones too as they ascended The Garden's stairs. Maybe you were among them - lightly buzzed on the way in, fully aglow on the way home. New York City was in its prime and damn if the Grateful Dead wasn't going to rise up to meet it! If you were there, we call on you to join us as we recapture that MSG magic and if you weren't, we invite you along on the epic journey that is IN AND OUT OF THE GARDEN: MADISON SQUARE GARDEN '81 '82 '83.
Numbered and limited-edition to 12,500, this 17CD set celebrates the band’s rich history at “the world’s most famous arena,” introducing six previously unreleased shows recorded at MSG between 1981 and 1983. It offers a front-row seat to the Dead in the early 1980s, an overlooked and underestimated era of rebirth for the band. At the time of the recordings, the group featured Brent Mydland. Mydland’s vocal power and colorful keyboard palette energized the band, invigorating older material like “The Wheel,” “Truckin’” and “Eyes of The World.” He also gave the band more musical flexibility, which encouraged them to dust off rarely aired treasures like “Dupree’s Diamond Blues” and “Crazy Fingers.”
IN AND OUT OF THE GARDEN touches on the three-year period after 1980’s GO TO HEAVEN was released, a time when the Dead were constantly on the road, playing more than 200 dates. While they were in no rush to return to the studio during this time, they continued to write new music. In 1982 and ’83, the band performed most of the songs that would appear on 1987’s IN THE DARK. The new collection includes performances of four songs from that album – “Touch Of Grey,” “Hell In A Bucket,” “Throwing Stones,” and “West L.A. Fadeaway” – plus the B-side, “My Brother Esau.”
Due September 23rd, IN AND OUT OF THE GARDEN comes in a custom box featuring new artwork by Dave Van Patten celebrating the band’s eclectic fanbase, with a cavalcade of illustrated Dead Heads. The collection also includes detailed liner notes by award-winning music journalist David Fricke, who explores the band’s connection to the Big Apple. It features newly restored and speed-corrected audio by Plangent Processes, mastered by Jeffrey Norman.
9/21/82 Playin>Crazy Fingers, West LA, Tivoli film
I'm slowly making my way through this box, savoring the special moments. On 9/21/82 I've played the opening Playin>Crazy Fingers three times, love the playin jam and the CF jams. Brent has some sweet playing during the CF jams.
Anyone notice that West LA has another verse that I've never heard before? It's the last new verse before repeating the 'chateau' verse, and has some lyrics about the Golden Rule.
Tomorrow is your last chance to see the MUATM Tivoli film. I highly recommend going to see it.
West LA
It's a cool line that I wholeheartedly agree with, but it doesn't come off the tongue as smoothly as it could. The lyrical equivalent of bad feng shui. I can see why it got dropped.
Still, a cool line.. you could probably write an entirely new song about just that one concept and it would be fine.
I’m going from memory here on WLA
“Here’s what Ginger says, she ain’t nobody’s fool,
Here’s what Ginger says, always plays by the Golden Rule,
You treat other people right, other people will probably treat you cool”
Edit:
I always liked WLA Fadeaway.
West LA alternate lyrics
Interestingly there are various versions, probably fostered by not being able to get em all in lol.
In Hunters lyric book Box of Rain the extra verse is:
Here’s what Ginger says,
she walks right, she ain’t nobodies fool
Hers what Ginger says,
She always tries to play by the golden rule,
She says if you treat other people right,
other folks probably treat you right too
In the 50th addition of David Dodds The Complete Annotated GD Lyrics in the notes for the song, the verse is:
Here’s what Ginger says, she talks like she ain’t nobodies fool
Here’s what Ginger says, she try’s to live by the golden rule
She says you treat people all right
other people will probably treat you cool
And I think I’ve heard JG try others too, which as I say, none seem like they’d be easy to sing!
Per usual, in the end the final version without that verse was probably best?
Always really liked West L.A.
Gotta Admit
Although I loathed the song at the time, I have grown to forgive Mr. Garcia and Mr. Hunter for Day Job. I have a whole new understanding of the song, it's meaning and the lyrics.. plus it's a bouncy fun groove song, not to dissimilar to tunes like Don't ease Me In. In hindsight I think it's more about shouldering the burden of the responsibilities we have accumulated while we figure out a way to proceed in some sort of graceful fashion. I no longer think it has anything to do with settling for that office job you never wanted.
Sort of like a hybrid of the song The Weight and Sugar Magnolia or something.
Still enjoying this box. I have a newfound respect for the 82 and 83 shows but 81 is still my happy place here. I think I'm moving on from it for a while.
Day Job
At first I loved it: fun lyrics, and that bouncy beat, like you say Jim, has that Doe Knees vibe.
Used to play it in my first band.
Then after awhile it got a little old, perhaps over played, then it went away and was sorta forgotten.
But with its resurgence via this box, I’ve grown found of it again!
Good bless the child who has his own stash, 9 to 5 and a place to crash lol.
I think part of what makes it so fun is that it’s so UN Jerry like.
Yep, back when we were trying to be musicians it was always in the back of your head, like a cautionary tale.
Have enjoyed the box the little I’ve been able to spend with it, especially been digging the early/alternative versions and these ole era specific chestnuts! I wouldn’t say these shows are best of year, for any of the 3 years, but it’s a nice sample and fun idea and what the hey more normanized Dead is always good!
Yes, yes, yes
More Normanized Dead is always good!
And when Plangentized too, even better.
Keep your day job,
Until the Powerball pays……
Unfortunately I wasn’t able to get a ticket that day, the lottery machine at the beer store I stopped at had run out of paper for printing the tickets because they had been printing so many.
My Day Job...
... right now is 30 Days of Dead.
At least 63 choices for today's Bucket>Sugaree.
And I think I looked at half of them on the archive!
Yesterday I picked the right one first thing then changed it. Doh!
I've always kinda liked Day Job. It does have that fun pace.
Cheers
Grammys
I see the box set has got a Grammy nomination for something like best limited edition boxset.
Molly Tuttle got two nominations Best Bluegrass album for ‘Crooked Tree’ and Best Newcomer. I wonder how they decide who is a newcomer? She’s around 29 and recorded her first cd with her dad when she was about 13. IMO ‘Crooked Tree’ is a fantastic album.
30 days
You got me to engage in it again, first time for a while.. but with To Lay Me Down.. from an era I immediately recognized, I had to give it a swing.
What is the prize again, a master reel of your choice from the Vault?
Edit: 30 Days is rigged. I guessed every entry correct and did not win. Another reason to storm the vault.
Useless Parcel Service
Agh , anyone else in the UK still missing their box ? Every time I call them I get please contact the sender as it’s currently showing as abandoned The import tax was paid months ago and it’s somewhere near London . Help . Sadly contacting rhino is no easier
Perithecat: check the alternate tracking number
If the UPS tracking indicates "On the way", click on VIEW DETAILS and find the alternate tracking number. You can then enter that number at the US Postal Service website (USPS.com). I've found their international tracking to be very reliable.
Hey MaryE
I don't know what is going on but I log in, I go to the Dave's 44 page, says I am not logged in, can not post on that page, Why? would love to join the conversation, but Deadnet won't let me. This has happened before and it resolved itself, now, it doesn't seem to want to. I am logged in on other pages, just not Dave's 44 page. Bummer
10/12/83
Wow. I'm a little late to this party, it's taken me a while to work my way through this box. I just listened to the first set of 10/12/83 and Jerry's on fire from the beginning of CRS. The mix is excellent, I can hear all players. I've made it through HSF of second set, I'm very impressed, in fact this show seems the most impressive of the box at this moment.
Speed correction
Exactly what parts are speed corrected on the MSG box set
Looks like rain
I hear the same noise on the audience recording too , I think it’s not a burn error but it actually happened over the PA live. Check out some other sources
Looks like rain
I hear the same noise on the audience recording too , I think it’s not a burn error but it actually happened over the PA live. Check out some other sources
I was away from "home" at…
I was away from "home" at the end of the year when this was delivered and am just now about to settle in an enjoy this set. I concur with others that the 'teaser' artwork did not do justice to the actual box but then maybe lowering expectations -> happier customers?
Probably a dumb question, but is there any way to know what *number* my box is without opening it? Reason I ask is that I sometimes get two of certain limited-run items and keep one sealed, as in this case. I like to open and use the one that is numbered lower.
Grammy Winner
This box has won a Grammy for the package design!
I notice that Molly Tuttle and Golden Highway won the best bluegrass album award for Crooked Tree
The only Grammy that matters
Now, time for a 4-foot black light poster of the album art.
Make it happen Dave/Rhino.
Molly Tuttle is the real deal
One of the best shows I saw last year was Molly and her band.
Her picking is extraordinary!
They ripped it up.
"Teachers open the door, you must enter by yourself."
It's not possible to see the…
It's not possible to see the box number without opening the shrink wrap. I originally had a hard time even finding the number once I opened the shrink wrap. Someone on this site guided me to the right place.
Hey You Fence Sitters
Get this box, you won't be disappointed at all. But it is on cassette, so, the line arrays make up a lot from the excellent sound-staging bear got from placing the mics individually on stage. Man it cranks awesome. I am going back for thirds soon!
Get It!
G
MSG Box Set
Hey Farseer, I agree, this box is one of
my favorites. Cassette masters with Plangent is a game changer. Sound quality is an A+. Just love these early versions of West LA Fadeaway, Touch of Gray, what was it called on tapes back then? Do you remember? Throwing Stones. Just a great rich full sound. Love it!
Bring on some more eighties, cassette masters are welcomed.
Can't wait to find out what Dave has in store for 2023?
Be well.
Help!
I'm like Abraham and Isaac again 'sitting on a fence' ... can anyone tell me how this one a grammy for package design and the 1st 1990 spring box set did not??
the one-eyed bears kind of freak me out honestly...
So .. the real question here is: How much better can this sound than the C Miller transfers on archive????
I want this for the collection, but i am hurting financially w/ this insane inflation...
if it isn't much of an improvement over what's out there ... I'll just go walking all morning, walking all night... day to day ... just letting it ride
Vikes and West
West: I would let this slide a while longer. We might be in for some very tumultuous times ahead, si I would keep my powder (money) dry to see how things pan out. It is a great box, but I have not heard the Miller transfers. I would imagine with official GD production it may be a 15% upgrade. It does have an impressive stereo sound stage but think more impressive sound staging will be forth coming as they move deeper into the 80's but who knows. I hope to write a little more on this box this weekend, as MSG has a huge influence on my life, but probably not as one would think.
Vikes, man I can't remember the early tapes labels. I would image, at first, it was called "We Will Survive."
Wow, the way out weather...Hope all in southern cali are getting better. It has been colder there than where I live, and that is upside down.
G
August West
The cassettes were Plangentized and sound better than the Millers.
But if money is tight you should stick with the Millers. You may need that money for this year’s Box.
thanks@!!
I'm gonna hold out and see what the big box brings (some think a 70 fillmore box may be in the works???...) listening to the Miller transfers again ... starting from 3/9/81 and that RIDER is hot! I can't imagine it sounding any better... but maybe the Norman treatment opens it up a bit. I'm up to 3/9 China rider... man ... that 'North Bound train' ... Jerry is really feeling it!!! GOOSEBGUMPS ... march Winds are blowing as I type this.
Here's an idea for Rhino: Offer this box as individual shows (not just 3/9/81) so us 'poors' can pick a few of our favorite shows w/o dropping $179
I gave 3/9 a spin last week…
I gave 3/9 a spin last week and yesterday, 3/10, so I thought I'd stop back in to see what other people are saying about the box six months out. Glad to hear others enjoy it as much as I do! Part of GD history that's been in need of more releases. Maybe time for a 1980 or two and then some '89?
Regarding the sound, Norman was able to create a lot more depth from what I recall on archive, which gives the recordings a sharp spontaneity. Like your listening live. But I will say that I have to adjust some settings on my system to make these shows really come to life. But typical for anything that's not multitrack. For example, with the late 70s Betty's, I have to turn off the surround sound simulation and go for an enhanced stereo, to keep it from being overly saturated with drums n bass. But with this release, the opposite. Enhanced stereo sounds disconnected while the neo-surround pulls it all together into a convincing stage presence. Dialing it in all part of the fun!
Second Listen
Kinda slow here in the box talk. I really liked the 83 shows, terrific mix. I decided to go back and give the 81 and 82 shows a second listen, thinking I might have been to harsh in my earlier review. Just finished 3/9/81 and very favorably impressed-had me dancing around the kitchen. On to 3/10, first set, a fine set also.
Nitecat, Five branch
Yes, I agree, love this box and the variety it gives us. But, you are correct, not much action on this thread. I can still see my comments on the same page from February.
Would love to see a 1980 Box. Not sure they will do it this year. I think Dave will be headed back to the 70's.....
There has been a lot of 89 released, but there is a lot left. Alpine, Cal Expo, Greek T. etc. Would love to see it.
Box set reviews
I like the positive box set reviews, I'm leaning towards buying it. I saw some fantastic Dead shows during these years
Other Box Ideas
Okay, so how about 10/31, 11/1/, 11/2/1979 Nassau, 11/4/79 Providence, 11/5 and 11/6/79 from the Spectrum?
Yes, I know there has been portions of these shows released as RT 1.1 and the spectrum shows as downloads, but I don't know if there is a better run in 79. I would be extremely pumped for a 79 box.
For 1980, how about the December Oakland run from 12/26-12/31, with the last night acoustic set? 5 shows.
Billy and Nitecat, you guys were at these shows, right? I think this would be a great box.
What do you think?
Deadvikes 1980 box set
I think the 1980 Oakland Dec run would make a great box set. I don't remember alot about it, like they say if you remember it you probably weren't there. I think they should have released the Dec. 1979 run as a box set, 2 of those shows have been released. People were dancing so hard during Trucking on 12/30/79 the floor broke. When they patched it they put a sign that said dedicated to Trucking 12/30/79. I wish they would release 12/28/83, one of my all-time favorite Dead shows I attended, check it out, its on You Tube and the Archive.
Billy 1979 and 1983
Billy, yes, I agree the 79 Oakland run is hot as well. Maybe they release the other shows at some point.
I will have to find that 12/83 show on the boob tube.
12/30/83 was my first tape in 1985. That Shakedown Street changed my life. I just don't know how much back then.
Does the package include…
Does the package include individual slipcases (the same size as a jewel box or digipak) that allow the discs to be put an a shelf with the rest of a cd collection?
MarkontheMoon
Yes, they do. I keep them in the box, however, the construction is more robust than the E72 Box or the 30 Trips Box slip cases. They are not digipak cases like the Spring 90 or PNW box sets.
The box is highly recommended.
Hey Now Hey Now!So I have…
Hey Now Hey Now!
So I have made it to 9/20/82 on archive and all the sources have weird stuff going on in the beginning of shakedown (can hear mostly Brent and then volume levels get tweaked, etc....) so was that fixed/corrected for the box set or maybe was not an issue on the source tapes?
the 81 shows were stellar C Miller transfers, but the '82 on archive so far leaves something to be desired which is leading me to want to get this box before it sells out....
btw - How in the hell is the new 2 show dave's still in stock? I have never seen a dave's sit for more than a day or two.
toodeloo...