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  • proudfoot
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    One thing about audience recordings...not a lot of mix issues.

    Like 10 6 80.

    High energy with no political commentary filler.

  • narutlee
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    With all these talks of sound mixes. 2 tracks and so on. Wonder if it's financially feasible for GD to employ the "AI" technology that was used on The Beatles "Get Back" movie and the upcoming "Revolver" remix. As I understand it, a technology was used to separate out different parts of the sound so they can be mix separately, which no one could do before because of the "tracks" limitation. For example, if brent, bobby, and phil were all recorded on one track - the original mix (how loud each instrument was in the mix) is it, it's all we got. If the keyboard is drowning out everything else, there's no way to fix it no matter how many times anyone remaster it, because that's the master! But I believe this new technology can separate each instrument out to its own track, and then they can be remix and give us a more balanced sound.

    I guess it's depend on how much more we're willing to pay to employ this tech!

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    There is nothing anyone can do about changing the levels of individual instruments on these recordings.
    What Mickey or whomever was doing was helping with remastering, which is something completely different.

    And really, I’ve heard and read Bobbie clearly stating that “we’ve all been asleep too long” and even more straight up political call to get involved before it’s too late. Yes nobody likes this, but that’s how fucked up it’s getting.
    I mean how desperate do things have to get before it’s ok to mention uncomfortable stuff?
    So just keep burying your head in the sand and soon we won’t be allowed to talk like this at all!
    The futures here, we are it, we are on our own!

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    and others.
    For the eighteenth time: these are not professionally recorded multi track recordings!!
    They were NEVER intended to be released!
    They are 2 channel (stereo) tapes that were produced by Dan Healy as a tool to help him with his work.
    That work was to make the band sound good live in concert, not your living room!
    Consequently, sometimes the mix might not make sense in your living room. I,e., if the stage instruments are really loud, the mixer won’t need to boost as much through the PA. Thus, those instruments might not seem loud enough on the tape, or in your living room. Furthermore, the first song is always unbalanced, sometimes it takes a good chunk of the first set, as the mix is dependent on how loud or quiet the signal sent by the musician is: if Jerry hasn’t turned up yet, then he won’t seem loud enough. During the first song the mixer is mostly trying to get the vocals going, and bringing the overall levels up, so he’s not going to worry about messing with JGs level too much knowing that JG will turn himself up when he wants to. When you mix the same band all the time, you don’t turn all the knobs back to zero after each show, you leave things generally where they are (or will you know they’ll need to be) and then fine tune the next night as needed. Basically, he sets levels approximately where they’ll end up and let’s the band grow into them if you will.
    With Beatty boards etc, there was a dedicated person, who was able to create a mix specifically for making a recording, unfortunately later on the tapes were not made like this so sometimes they have more noticeable anomalies.
    Since this is baked into the 2 track only tape, THERE IS NO WAY TO FIX IT!
    It is what it is, caveat emptor as these releases used to clearly warn!

    Now it it was a multitrack tape (meaning most instruments have their own channel on the tape which can be individually modified later on, and something was disproportionately low in the release mix, THEN you’d have a point, but since it’s only a 2 channel tape made as an afterthought, not intended for release, you have to take it or leave it.

    OFF TOPIC: really DR, your going to criticize about that? The guy who usually talks about anything BUT GD?
    I mean no offense but if some of us have to hear about Hawkwind again we’re gonna puke!

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    Please keep them off the board. Despite what was said earlier, the GD was not a political band. Very much to the contrary. Encouraging people to vote is not being political.

    Let's keep our comments to the poor sound/mix quality of the MSG box.

    Thank you.

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    When the Dick's Picks were coming out, likely still the ones Dick picked, I remember hearing that Mickey was helping the crew with the remastering-mixing. It made sense because I've always thought they were a bit drum heavy. It is still that way but not to the degree that's as noticeable. Plus I've changed equipment now so maybe that's all it was to begin with.
    Did my civic duty yesterday. Colorado has been vote by mail for years now thank goodness. But I don't get the cool sticker that says I voted.
    Cheers, let's go out and make it a good one.

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    just got censored by MSN and Microsoft for agreeing with, shall we say, patriots, who stated the truth about what is going down. It's already happening and let's hope they stay away from this site.

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    I concur with your statement ie Jerry. I wonder if Jer was alive, if these remasters would sound different? I think the remaining members might be an influence. For sure, I don't have any knowledge of that being said anywhere, just wondering?

  • Oroborous
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    …call for desperate measures.
    Make sure you vote or we soon might not be allowed to, and what we do here might not be allowed either…

  • Strang3stofplaces
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    From the listening party Stranger, it sounds like Jerry is kind of buried in the mix, and absolutely not the first time I've heard that on a remastered release. Take the slipknot from 10/12/83 off the recent box, for example. Not sure if I'm the only one who feels like this, but isn't a lead guitar supposed to "lead"? Obviously I understand the whole ethos of the Dead's music, that they were going for a more united sound, but it seems kind of detractive for Bob's "rhythm" notes to be overshadowing Jerry's lines. I understand that Norman mixes the remaster democratically, but again, what's a lead guitar for if not for the spotlight? I read once that Norman doesn't raise Jerry's levels on any remaster because "he was already loud enough", but if you're normalizing the levels across the board, he just gets lost in the fray. Another thing I wanna point out is that Jerry wasn't the leader of the grateful dead, he always made a point of shying away from that, but let's be honest, who was the one people deified when he was alive and more so after he passed? Shouldn't that be somewhat reflected in the remastering? I just feel that Jerry's leads should be overpowering and yet, I've got the volume turned up as much as I can without sacrificing fidelity just to hear what he was playing, and even then, I've gotta really focus on him for that. Anyway, rant over, just thought I'd share my two cents. Not even sure if this is the right place to do so, despite it being the forum for Dave's 44, as the subject matter tends to talk about nearly anything but the release itself. The grateful dead were always a political band, to be sure, but it'd be great if these forums could try to focus on the music, reddit does exist after all.

    Thanks and I'm really not trying to be a d**k with the ending there

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I wish you called the cops, that's assault and battery and with a concealed weapon probably aggrevated assault. If you're over 65 you're in a protected class. Did it bruise where he grabbed you? Aggrevated assault. It was a politically motivated incident so that's a hate crime as well. You could have put that guy in jail and made headlines against the cheeto.

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Not from 73.

Unless, unless, unless,
DaP46 w/ bonus, the bonus discs with the 50th studio albums, and the Box, all combine for an even larger Box.

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....I'm not over 65 and I'm not that much into that type of drama. I just wanted to go home and grill some hamburgers.

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as to DP 46 that is. The suggestions might be generalized as clustering around '72-'74, but Billy the Kidd really rang the carnival bell with a bold and near-and-dear to my heart '68, hedged with '69-'70.

I'd just say that they're running low on '74 show tapes; there are a finite (but recently increased) number of '68 tapes; and yes, will they go with or avoid synergy between a Dave's and the annual box.

Six-show boxes seem to be a thing. How far will they go tying 2023 to 1973? You know they're gonna do a 50th Wake of the Flood, the question there is how closely will they tie the bonus live material? Especially given the question of whether they feel the box has to tie in to the 50th as well. And still leave something in the vault for the future. I can't get my mind around the fact that the PNW box came out five years ago.

My gawd! Jim -- did you throw that lever in the Wayback Machine marked "DO NOT THROW THIS LEVER!!" ???

One door opens in front of me, a thousand close behind. Every step is a new world. Either that or I'm doing a bad imitation of Forensic Doc's zen koans!!

Somebody HEP ME!!! (Oh no, now I'm thinking the final scene in the original "The Fly"!!!!!!!!)

Actually, I jumped on the forum to post that DP 44 is a fun show and the band seems in fine fettle, especially Jer. Not happy with Phil's zooming on bass -- seems lazy and unmusical. Nor does thunder help LLR. Otherwise this sucker rocks! Pleased, for a '90. (Now "The Fly" has been replaced by an insatiable urge for a "90 Shilling"... Jim! Smash the glass! Throw the freakin' lever! Ignore all warnings!

Ah, folks, this has been a trying day. Time for a puff, a shot, a Spaten Munich lager and an electric guitar. [Camera fades to black as protagonist fades into couch..................]

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Nobody deserves that Vguy and your response was more courageous than I think I would have managed. And definitely not judging you, just saying, this guy you encountered sounded like he had a screw loose. And honestly I get mad to think he feels he owns the street like that or in this case a grocery store. Maybe the next guy he sees wearing a Biden shirt or putting up a Dem sign gets worse than a grab to the arm.

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....you don't see Biden shirts. You don't see Biden flags. You don't see very many Biden bumper stickers. Because sane people don't worship politicians and put them on pedestals.
Shits changed so much on the past 6 years it's exhausting.
Btw. I'm not a huge Biden fan either, but I'd rather vote for a wet sock than
that other dude.
I will be changing my avatar tomorrow.

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If early January 1979 recordings were to miraculously appear, I'd say 1-10-79 with its amazing Dark Star. Won't happen though.

Last 5:
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DaP 44
The Voice of Tony Burrows
The World of Marmalade
The Cowsills the Rain, The Park and Other Things

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I feel like DaP 46 has to be something in the 68-74 range. Now I know that is very broad. Maybe it will be some of those September 1970 shows? Or something else from that year? Maybe Dave will dip into 1968. I just feel like that one will be something from that time period that we have wanted for a long while.

I think Wake of the Flood will get a companion 1973 show attached to its 50th anniversary release (how about 2/15/73, one of my favorites?)

Bear's Choice also has it's 50th anniversary so that might be the one that gives more 1970 show(s). They could fill out more from the February Fillmore East run but I am fine if they change course and go with a 1970 show from later in the year. As long we get a heavy dose of Pigpen, as Bear's Choice was for him, well I am good.

If the 2023 box is from 1973, I can easily see 6/9, 6/10. 7/27, and 7/28 being the shows that make up the bulk of it. However, I am not opposed if Dave went in a different direction for a 1973 box as well.

Finally, I am calling this now: For either DaP 47 or 48 Dave and CO will finally give us a summer of 1985 show, maybe 2 even shows for another 4 disc release.

Seeing the movie last week got me all riled up for all things '72...I started working for the Cal Forestry mid January '72...I was about 30 miles north of Weott CA on Ave Of The Giants...about two months later I was moved to a forestry camp outside of San Luis Obispo on the road to Morro Bay...I took a leave of absence for three weeks in June...why? Cuz I needed to see the Rolling Stones at The Long Beach Arena, Dead at the Hollywood Bowl and follow that up with Zeppelin again at Long Beach...spent the rest of the Summer driving back and forth between our SLO camp and a spike camp we had in Big Sur...harsh job, que no? that September a friend of mine and I took a train to LA from SLO to see two Dead shows at The Hollywood Palladium....had to miss Pink Floyd at the Bowl doing Dark Side though...come December I went home to visit familia for Christmas, eat tamales and see the Dead at Long Beach...yes yes yes....I think I was the youngest at the movie meet up last week, about 20 of us all told, the 1:00 PM showing...

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53 years ago tonight I was at The Fabulous Forum in Inglewood to see two shows with The Rolling Stones, BB King, Ike & Tina Turner and Terry Reid....there was a hockey game that afternoon and the make over for the seating and the stage took longer than was originally thought...the shows were delayed a few hours...we walked out as the Sun was rising...some fun...and how may you ask am I so sure of this? It was my 19th Birthday which makes today my 72nd....Feliz to all...

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And many happy returns Nappy
Cheers

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What a great show for your 19th birthday Nappy, B.B. King alone would be worth the price of admission. I spent the night in Weott once, back in the early 70s .

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....dude. You looked barely 60 when I met you. And that wasn't twelve years ago. Good job.
Stupid hockey. Delaying everything ha!
Knights are 12-2.

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1/10 with some 1/20 bonus disc! 😎

Happy, Happy, Joy, Joy to the Napster!

“I just want to grill some burgers” Priceless!
The Senator, Fish AND Kinights looking good Winthorpe, feeling good Todd

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Vocalist Nazareth

Now you're messin' with a
A son of a bitch
Now you're messin" with a sonofabitch

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Happy Name Day NappyRags! Hope you enjoy the next trip around the sun and many more to come.

So today is a show day for me, as is this Friday - going to see my first ever live Goose show in Portland Maine tonight; they are sharing the bill with The Trey Anastasio Band, each doing a 90 minute set with flip flops and mashups expected. Goose vaulted onto my radar over the summer, when Trey sat in with them at Radio City for one set in late June. I was fixated. I had seen them perform at the 420 Festival earlier this spring, as well as at Boston calling later in May, but they didn't really resonate fully until my strict attention had been applied. What a rabbit hole this has been and am looking forward to some new experiences and live grooves. And interesting switch-a-roos of the teams.

I'm enjoying Dave's 44 immensely, given this show was right in the wheelhouse of my first show in Buffalo less than a month later. That sweet & drippy Eyes to open the 2nd is like a warm blanket.

Be Well People!
Sixtus

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Feliz Cumpleano chamaco!

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Some of the shows people here have seen amaze me. The '69 Stones tour with BB and Ike and Tina -- jealous!

Vguy, you are dead-on with the non-worship stuff. Good on you.

Looks like a very Nappy day out there....

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Nappy! Happy B day and keep on keeping on.

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interesting little show last night on NOVA

therapeutic effects of psychedelics (psylocibin and MDMA, mostly)

worth a look-up

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Sorry to read that Dan McCafferty died recently. Nazareth were a stonking good band live - when I saw them they played Morning Dew. Good slide guitarist in that band , too.

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Best belated wishes, hope the cake was suitably enhanced. Steve Kimock and Zero concert Saturday at the monkey was excellent, already posted on archive. Loving the calls for DaP 46 and release of Tivoli show video dvd/bluray. Last five:
LoneGone: Redman & friends
Toolin' Around Woodstock: Arlen Roth w/ Levon Helm & friends
Down Where the Spirit...: Lucinda Williams
Eudemonic: Steve Kimock Band
Alligator 25th Anniversary Collection

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Dennis - While I wait and wait for 44, I was catching up on all things Dead, and I’m still phucing laughing at your Andy Williams-Sopranos bio: “ Don't let the sweaters fool ya. Andy could cut a bitch faster than you could say Englebert Humperdink!”

Seriously, we all know his chick Claudine never shot Spider. Andy wasted that prick.

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Sorry about the lunatic, I'm not here to talk politics, but when someone can't even handle someone wearing a shirt you don't like, he might want to re-consider his "values" and consider some sort of cult intervention. I've got this GRATE shirt, it says "Will you shut up, man? - Biden 2020" Gotten some dirty looks (grow up snowflakes) but nothing physical. If I feel something like that could go down I reach for the phone and put the camera on video immediately. Wear it with pride bro!

Tracking info says it arrived in town 12 days ago and still not out for delivery. I guess if it had to be my turn with delivery issues, I’m OK with it being this release.

And for all of you who listened to my advice, not to get mixed up with bitcoin, you’re welcome.

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Read 9 pages to see what happened. Completely unbelievable story Vguy72 but I guess I should not be surprised these days. Sorry for your scary episode. Like the other dude said, you should go back and file a report there has to be store video of it. You got off without him drawing on you, but someone else may not be so lucky. I can't recite the law the way that guy did but the way he used language with you like "our message" sounds like he was not just your average idiot voter. He sounds like he belongs to a group of idiot voters. Hearing you telling about his crazed eyes and beat red face. I really hope this guy isn't gonna snap somewhere else. Sounds like there's plenty of Biden shirts out there, so I don't know how much your theory holds up, but I want a Biden "will you shut up man shirt". Good one Burnsey.

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....got em all lined up. Pretty.
And, I will say once again. That encounter was a blur. I didn't know what to think or how to react. I was caught off guard, but I think I handled it well. In fact. I know I did.
Seems I'm very approachable, for good or ill. I just try to smile at everyone I meet and look at them and make eye contact. Definitely not an introvert here because people (mostly) are awesome.
My job requires me to meet and greet several every day.
I forgot the cream cheese btw, but I wasn't about to go back in the store ha!
Random event that ended ok and I know the people around me had my back.
I just got a Phish Food tie-dye delivered today from Dry Goods.
I will wear it often and hope I don't make lactose intolerant people upset.
The Grateful Dead should put out a Cherry Garcia version. I'd buy it.
Mental health in this country needs to be addressed as well, but I digress.
Surround yourselves with people that are kind minded and you are already ahead of the curve. Peace.

I'd like to step up on my soapbox for a bit...On Nov 7, 2007 I was diagnosed with Stage IV Renal Carcinoma...after surgery to remove my right kidney AND the best care anywhere I underwent Immunotherapy with the drug Interlukkin 2...within a few months of the process it seemed there was no growth in the tumors I had in my lungs and my Aortic lymph nodes...soon after that they were shrinking and within 2 years I was cancer free.....fifteen years later and here I am typing away...we have all been touched in way or the other with this foul illness and the main thing I want to say here is please please please get routine check ups etc...right now a dear friend of mine was told after his first colonoscopy that he had a malignant polyp which was removed and now he faces a few months of chemo, luckily just oral medications and he should be fine...BUT...he is 58 and if he would've done the colonoscopy at an earlier age it probably wouldn't have come to this...so please...get your regular check ups and make sure your loved ones do too...now...back to our regular nonsense...

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Muchisimas Gracias! Many Thanks!

Positive Vibes your way. Stay healthy and keep sharing!

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....yeah. I really need to get on that.
In other news, it was announced that U2 will open the brand new MSG Sphere here in Vegas on September 29-30. Next year is also Phish's 40th anniversary. You heard it here first that they will play The Sphere on Halloween.
(and as additional proof, my reCapcha just now was traffic lights. I mean, we're all slaves to them, right?"

Shrooms are not legal in CO, their decimalized, which is nice, but not quite the same thing.
The reason for the proposition was to make it legal for clinical therapeutic use for such things as traumatic PTSD, depression, alcohol addiction etc Research has shown special clinical use to have great positive results with these terrible afflictions, especially in the case of ex military folks etc.
Interesting book and Netflix series How To Change Your Mind all about this, even the FDA is on board!

NAPPY: right on, glad you made it and yes boys and girls none of us is getting any younger so get those tests!
Oh, and the procedure for Colonoscopy now is not bad like the old days. Only hard part is starving yourself for a couple days and even that’s not so bad, so don’t think about it, just do it, lean over and kiss your, er…oooppss wrong announcement.

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Thanks for sharing your story Nappy. So sweet a gift to get that kind of response from treatment. Since we're on the subject of screenings just want to specifically point to another screening test that absolutely should be on your list guys if it isn't already - PSA (prostate-specific antigen). While not as black and white as to whether prostate cancer is actually present, the test is simple (blood draw), cheap, and a valuable tool for potentially catching the bad stuff earlier rather than later.

Just got home last night from some backcountry work in the land of Smokey the Bear down by Capitan, NM. DaP #44 #12767 quietly waiting in the PO Box. Saw these shows with my good girl (at that time and still a good friend), my first shows in the PNW, and it was everything that Dave says. What a great laid back easy groove weekend of excellent music. I look at pictures of the crowd and read the #s as to how many people and its sort of amazing cause it felt far more intimate than what those would seemingly indicate. Which brings me to the cover art - seems to me that the forest scene with the sun orb is actually taking place in Autzen itself, so a reflection of that whole more "cozy" and laid back atmosphere. Will set the time machine for a "deep forest" listen next few days (who knows, maybe even today!)

wow - surprised at how serious it is. just crazy to imagine having to put yourself into and through that space each time. and so many times in one's life. He mentions Jerry too. In 1982 Jerry played a show solo acoustic and it was so tough for him to be out there alone for that show (4/10/82 Capitol Theatre, Passaic, NJ) that he quickly brought in John Kahn to play bass for later acoustic gigs that spring and summer (and beyond). A little bit easier when there's somebody out there with you.

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Great comeback story, Nappy, all the best to you. I might add that my father, who passed away in June at 93, had malignant cancer of the lymph nodes in 1974 and went the full-on surgical route, no chemo. Over the intervening 48 years he had various cancers crop up and, with EARLY DETECTION (nod to Nappy) he beat 'em all and lived longer than most of us will. So, early detection and immediate action and a lot of good luck and some will beat the Big C.

I myself am undergoing a self-colonoscopy later today using a cattle-prod and a miniature camera...... KIDDING!!! They've snipped out a few pre-cancerous polyps in the past, so I'm running on good luck.

My endoscopy is overdue (had to wait for Medicare to kick in) but I'm scheduled for Nov. 30 now.

For those of you who cannot stand this type of TMI in lieu of GD content, be patient. There will be some drug discussion now, then a teeny tiny tidbit on the GD at the end. Hang in there!

So, hats off to Oroborous for the malpropism of the day: "Shrooms are not legal in CO, their decimalized, which is nice, but not quite the same thing." In my case, I like a full dose, not a decimalized dose....

But Oro is correct: boomers have been decriminalized, not legalized. I think that means they can't bust ya for possession or use, maybe just selling? That's obviously a half-assed solution... cuz how would one obtain unless you cultivate your own? BUT decriminalization is always good, unless you're talking murder. As Oro pointed out, the sponsors of that ballot issue want folks with trauma and PTSD to have expert help in moving on through supervised therapy and this is a step in the right direction. The mere mention of "mescaline" in the ballot question gave me goose bumps. Mescaline is the very best, so I may need a little therapy... (Or, according to some (shut up Oro), I may need a LOT of therapy.

Never did get busted for psychedelics. On the other hand, I did face a handful of felonies for cultivation in the mid-80s and beat the rap. Had a massive Indica crop at 9000 feet on the New Mexico border. In the case of cannabis, legalization has been a mixed bag. Just prior to legalization, top shelf bud was $400/oz, and legalization cut that to ~$100-$125. Some writers have backups like carpentry or other intelligent money makers; my backup was always cultivating, so that hurt. But at least no one is going to do hard time for head stash. On the other hand, there are strict limits to possession and harsh penalties beyond that, which we don't need. But once you legalize and tax it, the revenuers want their share or you're going to the slammer. So, mixed bag, no pun intended.

Oh yeah, the GD: I read that Pigpen had bad stage fright and they'd have to find him, corral him and get him on stage. Once they got going, he said he was okay. With Bobby, I have little sympathy. I mean, no pain, no Jane, right? You want the fruits of being a rock star, you get your ass out there and make it look easy! Otherwise, no soup for you!

Ha, damn new math, oh wait, that’s not right, Damn spellcheck! It’s this damn spellcheck I tell ya, every FW update seems to make it worse, at least that’s my story and I’m sticking too it!
So I apologize Senior Schoolmarm for my incorrect spelling. Hopefully I can do some extra credit to fix my grade?
But, BUT! If your going to reprimand me with big grade ten words (ala Ricky in TPB) please use the proper spelling ; ) which according to the online dictionary is “Malapropism”, not Malpropism. Oh the irony LOL.
And yes, I had to look it up lol.

So no harm no foul as I’m assuming at least you, if not others, may have experienced joy and laughter from my gaffe!
Hey everybody has something in life their good at, apparently my new excellence is fucking up, which if it brings laughter is ok. I just wish it didn’t keep costing so much!
At least now I know a new word, which will give the Other One yet another way to rib me, especially when I start talking “Rickyisms” i.e., “it’s like getting 2 birds stoned at once” instead of killing 2 birds with one stone etc.
So thanks for giving her more tools, (like she needs any help lol) to prove me a fool, and point out my ongoing Malapropisms!

But hey, at least my intel was correct, so have fun out there but be careful!
oh yeah, don’t forget skin cancer screening too. Top C killer that unnecessarily takes too many folks out, that early screening could avoid etc. Which reminds me I haven’t….but really need to, cause damn near everyone here at altitude seems to have issues. I don’t even want to think about all those summers waaaayyy BITD when we went to the beach a lot and used oil to fry ourselves, idiots…

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Senior Schoolmarm here, aka HF. And I like going commando!!!

Doooood, heh heh heh, I did see that I misspelled malapropism and decided to leave it just to TEST YOU. But I had not expected to get whacked over the head with "how ironic," which in Latin literally means "you are so effin' stupid!" But well played my man, well played.

Man, that one cat who couldn't stand our personal stories and demanded GD-talk is probably gonna need some of the psilocybin (sp??) therapy mighty soon.

So I'll just give my 2023 predictions here and now:
WotF 50th augmented by ... er, aren't all the '73 shows three-disks? Maybe Rhino would prefer a four-disc 50th? Maybe they have a shorter show fragment? I originally thought that the Watkins Glen soundcheck would be perfect, but that would run counter to a '73 box. So... [drumroll please] I'll state that if the box is '73, the WotF filler will not be the soundcheck. If the box is not '73, they're going with the soundcheck, one-disc addendum.

IF (and that's a big "if") the annual box is Summer '73 then they've gotta combine June 9 & 10, July 27 & 28 and July 31 & Aug 1. As June 9 and July 28 had a few non-stellar performances, say they cut a few songs or use the soundcheck with WotF and omit June 9 and July 28 and add two more '73 shows. See, there's the issue with a Summer '73 box: June 9 and July 28 may not stand up as full shows.

Maybe, as someone suggested, they do a 50th on Bear's Choice and break out all the Feb '70 FE material in the vault. (Three nights, two shows per night; how much do they have??)

And if they play those two albums to the hilt for '73 value, the box could be anything -- the '85 summer tour, which would save me beaucoup $$.

If Houdini was the greatest at extricating himself from multiple restraints, may I claim to be the greatest at tying myself in knots?

Signed, Senior Schoolmarm (going commando)

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You guys are a trip.

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....I had to break out my slide rule and compass for that list.
VGK up 3-2 in Buffalo after two. Sabre fans booing Eichel every time he hits the ice. Love it.
Edit. Eichel scored. Whoo-boy. His celly
was awesome 😆
Edit edit. Eichel had a hat trick. Knights 13-2 and no signs of slowing down. Swept the road trip and coming back home.

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