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October 24, 2022 - 8:54am

#1331

proudfoot

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Mixes

One thing about audience recordings...not a lot of mix issues.

Like 10 6 80.

High energy with no political commentary filler.
October 24, 2022 - 8:46am

#1332

narutlee

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Mixes

With all these talks of sound mixes. 2 tracks and so on. Wonder if it's financially feasible for GD to employ the "AI" technology that was used on The Beatles "Get Back" movie and the upcoming "Revolver" remix. As I understand it, a technology was used to separate out different parts of the sound so they can be mix separately, which no one could do before because of the "tracks" limitation. For example, if brent, bobby, and phil were all recorded on one track - the original mix (how loud each instrument was in the mix) is it, it's all we got. If the keyboard is drowning out everything else, there's no way to fix it no matter how many times anyone remaster it, because that's the master! But I believe this new technology can separate each instrument out to its own track, and then they can be remix and give us a more balanced sound.

I guess it's depend on how much more we're willing to pay to employ this tech!
October 24, 2022 - 8:39am

#1333

Oroborous

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In other words

There is nothing anyone can do about changing the levels of individual instruments on these recordings.
What Mickey or whomever was doing was helping with remastering, which is something completely different.

And really, I’ve heard and read Bobbie clearly stating that “we’ve all been asleep too long” and even more straight up political call to get involved before it’s too late. Yes nobody likes this, but that’s how fucked up it’s getting.
I mean how desperate do things have to get before it’s ok to mention uncomfortable stuff?
So just keep burying your head in the sand and soon we won’t be allowed to talk like this at all!
The futures here, we are it, we are on our own!
October 24, 2022 - 8:28am

#1334

Oroborous

Joined:
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Strangestofplaces

and others.
For the eighteenth time: these are not professionally recorded multi track recordings!!
They were NEVER intended to be released!
They are 2 channel (stereo) tapes that were produced by Dan Healy as a tool to help him with his work.
That work was to make the band sound good live in concert, not your living room!
Consequently, sometimes the mix might not make sense in your living room. I,e., if the stage instruments are really loud, the mixer won’t need to boost as much through the PA. Thus, those instruments might not seem loud enough on the tape, or in your living room. Furthermore, the first song is always unbalanced, sometimes it takes a good chunk of the first set, as the mix is dependent on how loud or quiet the signal sent by the musician is: if Jerry hasn’t turned up yet, then he won’t seem loud enough. During the first song the mixer is mostly trying to get the vocals going, and bringing the overall levels up, so he’s not going to worry about messing with JGs level too much knowing that JG will turn himself up when he wants to. When you mix the same band all the time, you don’t turn all the knobs back to zero after each show, you leave things generally where they are (or will you know they’ll need to be) and then fine tune the next night as needed. Basically, he sets levels approximately where they’ll end up and let’s the band grow into them if you will.
With Beatty boards etc, there was a dedicated person, who was able to create a mix specifically for making a recording, unfortunately later on the tapes were not made like this so sometimes they have more noticeable anomalies.
Since this is baked into the 2 track only tape, THERE IS NO WAY TO FIX IT!
It is what it is, caveat emptor as these releases used to clearly warn!

Now it it was a multitrack tape (meaning most instruments have their own channel on the tape which can be individually modified later on, and something was disproportionately low in the release mix, THEN you’d have a point, but since it’s only a 2 channel tape made as an afterthought, not intended for release, you have to take it or leave it.

OFF TOPIC: really DR, your going to criticize about that? The guy who usually talks about anything BUT GD?
I mean no offense but if some of us have to hear about Hawkwind again we’re gonna puke!
October 24, 2022 - 8:23am

#1335

Angry Jack Straw

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Political Comments

Please keep them off the board. Despite what was said earlier, the GD was not a political band. Very much to the contrary. Encouraging people to vote is not being political.

Let's keep our comments to the poor sound/mix quality of the MSG box.

Thank you.
October 24, 2022 - 8:01am

#1336

1stshow70878

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The Mix

When the Dick's Picks were coming out, likely still the ones Dick picked, I remember hearing that Mickey was helping the crew with the remastering-mixing. It made sense because I've always thought they were a bit drum heavy. It is still that way but not to the degree that's as noticeable. Plus I've changed equipment now so maybe that's all it was to begin with.
Did my civic duty yesterday. Colorado has been vote by mail for years now thank goodness. But I don't get the cool sticker that says I voted.
Cheers, let's go out and make it a good one.
October 24, 2022 - 7:51am

#1337

PT Barnum

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happened to me

just got censored by MSN and Microsoft for agreeing with, shall we say, patriots, who stated the truth about what is going down. It's already happening and let's hope they stay away from this site.
October 24, 2022 - 7:47am

#1338

PT Barnum

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Strange...

I concur with your statement ie Jerry. I wonder if Jer was alive, if these remasters would sound different? I think the remaining members might be an influence. For sure, I don't have any knowledge of that being said anywhere, just wondering?
October 24, 2022 - 7:45am

#1339

Oroborous

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Desperate Times…

…call for desperate measures.
Make sure you vote or we soon might not be allowed to, and what we do here might not be allowed either…
October 24, 2022 - 7:34am

#1340

Strang3stofplaces

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Jerry low in the mix

From the listening party Stranger, it sounds like Jerry is kind of buried in the mix, and absolutely not the first time I've heard that on a remastered release. Take the slipknot from 10/12/83 off the recent box, for example. Not sure if I'm the only one who feels like this, but isn't a lead guitar supposed to "lead"? Obviously I understand the whole ethos of the Dead's music, that they were going for a more united sound, but it seems kind of detractive for Bob's "rhythm" notes to be overshadowing Jerry's lines. I understand that Norman mixes the remaster democratically, but again, what's a lead guitar for if not for the spotlight? I read once that Norman doesn't raise Jerry's levels on any remaster because "he was already loud enough", but if you're normalizing the levels across the board, he just gets lost in the fray. Another thing I wanna point out is that Jerry wasn't the leader of the grateful dead, he always made a point of shying away from that, but let's be honest, who was the one people deified when he was alive and more so after he passed? Shouldn't that be somewhat reflected in the remastering? I just feel that Jerry's leads should be overpowering and yet, I've got the volume turned up as much as I can without sacrificing fidelity just to hear what he was playing, and even then, I've gotta really focus on him for that. Anyway, rant over, just thought I'd share my two cents. Not even sure if this is the right place to do so, despite it being the forum for Dave's 44, as the subject matter tends to talk about nearly anything but the release itself. The grateful dead were always a political band, to be sure, but it'd be great if these forums could try to focus on the music, reddit does exist after all.

Thanks and I'm really not trying to be a d**k with the ending there

John Perry Barlow

John Perry Barlow

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Xmass albums

Just picked up:
Oscar Peterson
Louis Armstrong
Puss n Boots
Joss Stone sp?
Lindsey Sterlings latest

Maybe the Monkeys wouldn’t be so bad lol

Your collection probably needs the Fleetwood Mac ‘Worlwide Live’ unofficial Box.
10 CD’s for $40.
8 Fleetwood Mac CD’s ranging from 1968 at the Carousel to 1990, along with a Stevie solo and a Lindsey solo.
Sounds pretty good. The only show that I already had was the 75 show. FM/pre-FM sources.
I figured that for $4/CD I should check it out.

Saturday Day Tripper says Vguy…..

This space in the internet....

...is incredible.
I added half a gram.

Space, the final frontier

Put your seatbelt on Vince hee-hee

Ark 4/21/69...

...is playing (the whole show) on Sirius today.

4.21.69....

....yup. Caught that nitecat. Sounds really good.
It's only a matter of time before the Ark happens.
Coming around.
"And when the day it ended"
Sitting in my driveway.

Ark Ark

Who's There

Ark

Ark Who

Ark Box

And so it is written

_________________

Yes, not if but when will these gems get released. I hope when it happens David Duryeau writes the liner notes. As cool a cat as ever posted here once upon a time. He certainly loved his primal GD.

Speaking of 69.. Banana box? Holy Cow 43 was good, 44 is up on deck. We live in the valley of riches, but of all the releases the last few years the 69 was the big surprise. I'll take a double dose of that any day.

As you were.. one more Saturday Night.

Nevada did the thing!....

....proud of my Silver State 🥳
Knights lost, but whatever.

RIP Keith Levene

I never really got into punk but I quite liked PiL. RIP Keith Levene.

Ice Cream Man and The Mac

Thanks for the heads up, hard to go wrong at 4 a pop!

Incoming…

New Bill Frisell will be on the doorstep shortly. I’m warming up the wireless/hi-fi already, in anticipation.

Jerry’s army papers

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Remove the ()’s and put the pieces back together.

TTB Layla Revisited

Good stuff.

As is JGB 10-31-92, which I just finished, then moved on to TTB.

TTB alert....

....yup.
Went to the store again today.
Guess what?
Everyone was chill. The cashier was tall and thin like me. She acknowledged my Dolphins cap.
She had cool star 🌟 tats on her wrist.
One week at a time dear.
Current listening. 9.29.99. Phish. Pyramid.
Freeeeee

7/12/87- back in the day

I popped in the giants stadium 7/12, and it gets me every time. The whole first set like HIAB, loser, and TOS. the band was firing on all cylinders, especially Jerry and Brent with that tinkling keyboard is so sweet. Being there for most of the shows makes me bias. Just had to mention it. Back to dap 44. Great show.

Only one show to attend

If I could pick only one Grateful Dead show to see out of all the shows they played, it would be one of the acoustic/ electric shows from 1970.

yes, RIP Keith Levene

PIL was a big part of my youthfuller days.

One show?

6/10/73 is a candidate.

Hey gang!

guess who is testing positive for Covid 19?

MMMMEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!

after all this time and 16 boosters.

being a teacher and being around kids = heapin' helpings of germ soup.

Fehk!

Oh No

Another one. Yikes! It's everywhere now.
And not a mask in sight.
Take it easy PF.
My local friend took a week. His wife like 10 days.
And they were just ready to get their bi-valent (Omicron+Corona).
I went and found the bi-valent (still scarce here) right after that.
Full effect around third week after booster, so about now for me.
But we are still doing masks in crowded stores since we have some COPD.
Best wishes and cheers

Billy

Put me down for 6/24/70

So...

Last thursday we went to zoo lights
Psychedelic wonderland

Come home
"THE DOG ATE MY CHOCOLATE!"
chocolate is toxic to dogs
Went to pet emergency hospital
Induced vomiting and overnight stay
16 hundred fookin dahlurz

Sigh

Dog is fine

Thank you 1st show

And

I see on rollingstone site they are selling GD underwear.

Rufkm

Incontinence pads maybe. But underwear?

Reminds me of the Great GD Gardening Apron Rant

Zoo Lights

Ah man, haven't been to Zoo Lightssince the kids were little, maybe this is the year. Sorry the rest of the night wasn't as good.
Congrats to the state of MD, welcome to the 21st century

Proudfoot

Get well soon Proudfoot

Proudfoot

Holy shite PF - Covid, and then the dog ate chocolate! Get better - both of you - sending positive vibes your way.
PS - The Kraken are still The Krapen hockey team, but me like those new “third” jerseys!

Rut ro

Be well soon PF!

And!…was the chocolate an edible, or just regular?

Could be worse....

....I have a stash of mushroom laced chocolates. Not snacks for Scooby.
Get better. I've dodged covid as far as I know, and I interact with multiple people a day.

Dave's Picks 44

I purchased Dave's Picks 44, and it arrived as scheduled. The outer mailing box was punctured, and when I opened it, little pieces of plastic starting falling out. The CD case was broken. When I opened that, I discovered that CD3 was chipped and cracked. Today I listened to CD1 and discovered that it was defective. Tennessee Jed > Promised Land does not play. Anyone else have this problem? I have not listened to CD2 yet. I contacted customer service, and I learned that there were no replacement CDs available. Defective merchandise can be returned for a full refund. I am hoping that someone would be willing to email me digital copies of those songs that I am missing so that I can at least have the complete show. As I said, songs 1-7 on CD1 are fine. Songs 8>9 are defective. I haven't tried playing CD2, and CD3 is no good at all. Can somebody please help me out? Thank you!

3 10 81

Scarlet Fire

One of the top three

A
May
Zing

Thank you for the well wishes y'all

Regular chocolate, Oro
Regular...

Marye

Can you help PatrickL?

Patrick

Send a PM to MaryE.

In case you haven't sent a PM before: To send a PM, if you are logged in, on the upper right of the screen are your account options, cleck here, select messages and you can probably figure out how to send a PM from here. either that or fumble through customer service. They can probably pull something better than a refund off..??

Edit: Ooops.... Proudfoot beat me to this by a couple hours. I didn't see his response before I replied. Apparently, he and his dog have been eating mushroom chocolates all day and have developed super human powers as evident by their lightening fast and accurate response.

Sarge/ He's gone.

My dog Sarge, the brindle bull Mastiff had cancer, and was put down tonight. 14 years old. He was a loyal companion. "He's gone."

Sarge....

Condolences Carlo13.

I'm pretty certain that Sarge was very happy to have had you around with him for 14 special years. You took good care of him and now he has an opportunity to rest. You provided space in this world for him and that is a special love that was returned.

Stay strong and stay positive.

Sorry to hear that, Carlo.

And R.I.P., Sarge.

I miss all my dogs....

....there have been a few.
I've always had just one. Now I have two.
Sorry to hear.

He's Gone

Carlo - Sorry to hear you had to put to sleep your beloved dog companion Sarge. Such a tough loss.

Wake Up To Find Out...

That a new '69 Miller board remaster is making the rounds in all of the usual places...

Grateful Dead - May 11, 1969
Aztec Bowl (SDSU) - San Diego, CA

All Transfers and Mastering by Charlie Miller
November 14, 2022

Notes:
-- This show often circulates as 5/29/69 Santa Barbara
-- Mike Carabello and Chepito Areas on percussion for Alligator > Lovelight
-- Possiobly Gregg Rolie on vocals during Lovelight
-- Thanks to Matthew Zavislak for the DAT
-- Thanks to Mike Babyak for his input on the pitch correction

Setlist:
01 - Morning Dew
02 - That's It For The Other One>
03 - Good Morning Little Schoolgirl
04 - Me And My Uncle
05 - Alligator >
06 - Turn On Your Lovelight

Rip Sarge

Sorry to hear about your loss Carlo, losing a pet is very sad.

Peace in your grief, Carlo...

Putting down a faithful companion may be the hardest thing you'll ever do in this life. This from an animal person who put down his 20-yr-old cat earlier this year. The day-to-day intimate and often subconscious connection is nearly unbreakable. And yet... mercy requires courage and acceptance. This will be hard in the days ahead. I survived by focusing on the blessing and cosmic luck of the years together and the realization, which does not come easy, that "there's nothing you can hold for very long," thanks Robert Hunter.

You did good for fourteen years and your departed buddy would wish you peace. As do we.

Well Said HF...

et al. Sorry for the loss Carlo.
Cheers to Sarge

Sorry for your loss Carlo

Dogs are amazing. Mine is a family member, fully. Condolences.

May this oft-quoted line by Will Rogers help:

“If there are no dogs in Heaven, then when I die I want to go where they went.”

RIP Sarge

RIP Sarge. Sorry for your loss Carlo.

Well Done Sarge and Carlo!

Condolences Carlo. So sorry Sarge's glorious 14 year run with you had to end. How lucky you both have been! As hard as it is to put down our four-legged companions when the time comes, they count on us to do the right thing to the very end. My 12 year old brindle Mastiff mix Annie is recovering from knee surgery, and I know her day will come sooner than later. I'll shed tears, but know she's counting on me. It's sad that dogs' and cats' lives are so much shorter than ours, but they sure do pack a lot into their time with us. Onward

Carlo

sorry for your loss man, it's tough to lose a bosom buddy, you had a good run, revel in the memories. Time will heal all wounds.

a raise of the glass to Sarge

I am sorry for your loss, Carlo.

:_(

Here here

Man.. so sorry. Freak flag flying at half-mast.

Let there be songs to fill the air

Dogs are the best....

....always happy to see you, whether you've been gone for ten minutes or days.
There's a pic of my two.
Cats are ok too. They have more of an attitude imo.

A flawed contract

I have had pets (dogs & cats) since 1965. It occurred to me years ago, that when I sign up to take a new animal (I call them my children, as I have no human children), we are implicitly signing up for an unknown time period of joy, and also, some days of grief & sadness. To me, this is still a good deal, but it makes the heartbreak no less painful or intense. I don't ever want to live without the unconditional love of a cat or dog, so I go in knowing the deal. I believe my life is always better with the love of a quadruped.

So, to Carlo, VGUY and everyone else who has lost a "child" recently, you have my total empathy and sympathy.
Carlo, as long as you remember Sarge, he's never really totally gone.
My 2 are 13 (redhead) and 7 (tuxedo) so 1 may go soon or not, but one piece of advice that was given to me was: "always allow 6 months to grieve before getting a new one".
By the way, I have not always taken this advice, but it does make sense to me.

"Life Is Hard"-M. Scott Peck
"But so, so worth it"-Mark B. Smith

Carlo13 and Sarge

Very sorry to hear about your loss. Dogs are arguably one of the greatest gifts given to humankind. Their loyalty and love is unwavering. Hang in there.

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