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  • estimated-eyes
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    The sitting down or standing up at shows is a vexing issue. Pretty much every show I went to until the mid-2010s was a stand-up affair. Dancing or not, when the band was on the stage, most of the audience was out of their seats. The first time I ran into the issue in a significant way was at a Tedeschi Trucks Band show at the Morris Theater in South Bend, IN in 2016. I went solo and scored a 4th row ticket on Trucks side on the aisle. Looking around as I took my seat, I read the crowd as a sitting crowd, but I got up plenty and made myself as inconspicuous as possible (tough being over 6') in the aisle, but most folks stayed sitting throughout. After their main set, they come out and they are tuning up and a lady from the center yells, "Can we get up and dance?" Susan told us we could do what we wanted, get up and dance, sit, whatever. They proceeded to play a Bitches Brew jam that seriously melted my face, though I was probably one of only 10 people in the crowd who knew what they were playing.

    On the other end of the spectrum was a Phish show on Northerly Island in Chicago about 2012 or so. This was a GA show in a largely undeveloped field on this island. The night previous they had the set abbreviated by a big storm and promised a three set show this night. First set rocks and they go into break and think I can sit down and rest (I was in my 40s at this point in time) for the next set. Nope, Phish fans were constantly jostling for position, bumping me, stepping on me. After the 2nd set, I figure folks must be tired and want to sit down-- nope, more jostling. I have not attended a Phish show since-- if I can't sit down at set break, that is f-ed up.

    I am of the mind, let folks do what they want to do, like Susan said. Sit, stand, dance, whatever makes you happy. But, also let folks do what they want to do. Now, if you are a sitter, that may mean you are not going to have a good view for the show if the person in front is a dancer/stander, but that is the trade-off. At TTB this summer in Aurora, IL, it was a sitting crowd, so I went with that, however, when I did get up and explore, the sound was considerably better from a standing position.

  • daverock
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    Great watching Croatia knock Brazil out of the World Cup earlier today. Those Brazilian players are the worst behaved of any I have seen recently. The white haired ones seemed the worst. Fouling as often as possible, pretending to be fouled themselves, crying when they lost. What a shower. You wouldn't want to be standing behind them at a gig.

    Seeing your name reminds me, Colin, I may order that new King Crimson box before Christmas.

  • Colin Gould
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    Another book

    It’s dangerous to browse the internet. I was looking for some other stuff and ‘The Lyrics of Syd Barrett’ appeared on the screen. I couldn’t resist it. It apparently came out last year but I missed it.

  • billy the kiddd
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    "What's Become of the Baby"

    "Waves of violet go crashing and laughing. The rainbow winged singing birds fly round the sun. Sun bells rain down in a liquid profusion. Mermaids on porpoises draw up the dawn. What's Become of the Baby this cold December morning?"

  • Cousins Of The…
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    Obnoxious show goer

    Does anyone remember Allison?

  • Vguy72
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    33 years ago today....

    ....the Grateful Dead played The Forum in LA. Spencer Davis and Bruce Hornsby sat in.
    It's a grate show.

  • hendrixfreak
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    Nice-ness = good

    Nitecate you found the formula for making friends and influencing neighbors: asking nicely. A genuine smile and a look directly into someone's eyes often does the trick in modifying annoying behaviors. Unfortunately for me, there are certain lines in my face that I cannot hide, so I hope to distract with eye contact and a big smile. I can do that at least twice a year.

    Oro -- I'm on the mend. Had a 9-day follow-up today with a fresh EKG, exam of my entry wounds by a very nice looking young woman, and fresh advice on taking it easy another 20 days, with six meds per day (some twice) so I have something to do.

    Interestingly, and it's a bummer, that my local Dead Hippie Brewing is closing, so we're headin' there tonight as on most Thursday nights for an open mic gathering. The owners, Dean and Cheryl, are about as nice as you get and their hospitality and vibe has been infectious. You can walk in anytime, talk to anyone, hang, make friends and on Thursdays play your ass off and everyone is grooving on the great beer selection and the parking lot scene. Sound familiar? I often play Pigpen tunes and that automatically gets a rise out 'o the crowd, tunes like Easy Wind, Mr. Charlie, Operator, Big Boss Man (okay, Jimmy Reed ala Ron McKernan), I think there's others... oh yeah, Alligator acoustic (try it, it's actually a children's song when done sing-song acoustic).

    Poncho -- do you know the Setlist Program? It could be the source material for your Xcel spreadsheet, but you'd have to do data entry for 2,000 shows. We hardly knew ye when ye dropped off the face of the Earth...........

  • nitecat
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    HF - obnoxious show goers

    HF, your story reminds me of a time at a Dead show. We were up front in our space and next to me was a large woman in a very furry sweater. Furry like prickly almost. And she kept rubbing my bare arm with her prickly sweater. Very annoying. I had to ask her nicely to move further away from me.

  • nitecat
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    Poncho - Deadbase Jr.

    Poncho, there used to be a little softcover pocketbook called Deadbase Jr. It had every known show and setlists. Not so overwhelming as the oversize Deadbase, but from the same people. Not a spreadsheet, but easy to deal with. Don't think it's published anymore. You might pick up one on ebay.

  • Mr. Ones
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    C'mon VGUY, if I knew that was YOU, I'd have no problem with you dancing in front of me, just tell the other 26 people to get the H*LL out of my sightline!!

    1STSHOW, LOVE the critters!! My experience with trying to capture good photos is to make sure my phone is ALWAYS nearby. The best shots I have only lasted for seconds before it would have been too late.
    For the record, I like Hobbes (with an E), and Big Boy Pete!! Lots of possible nicknames with those 2.

    Not sure what to do, so I think I'll listen to some music. It's the Best!!

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Thanks!

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Another trusty companion off to great doggie park beyond.
So sorry for your loss Carlo.
Whenever I start missing my last dog, I put on David Bromebergs version of Mr Bojangles “after 20 years he still grieves”
Hang in there and be grateful for all the good times y’all had and all the memories you’ll always have!

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Thank you! I have spoken with a couple of different people at customer service. ... no luck there. CD replacements are not available. I've decided to return it and am waiting for instructions on how to do so. ... disappointed though, b/c it's a show that I like and was looking for a good copy. Current options are (1) return it for a full refund, or (2) keep the damaged item at 25% off the price. Adding a third option might be an acceptable solution ... (3) keep the damaged item at a reduced price and receive digital downloads for the missing tracks. The reduced price could even be determined by the amount of damage. I have a damaged digipak and two damaged CDs (so far). As I said, I haven't listened to CD2 yet. Oh, well!

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Please send me a PM with the details. I can't promise a thing but I'll see what I can find out and get the Doc on the case.
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I happened upon a single disc on my collection of 11 15 72

A few tunes then a swell PITB that cuts partway through. ouch.

So listening to full show on archive. Nice.

And it's got a Cumberland.

Fall 72

Yummy

....so I heard this snippet of a song the other day on Instagram or something. I thought, "that's pretty catchy".
Turns out it was Swift's Anti-Hero song.
Pretty damn good and I love the video.
One can indeed be ones worst enemy.
I've never really listened to her before to be honest. Will be checking some more of her out.

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Really sorry to learn about Sarge, Carlo.
May he enjoy the forever leashless runs through the lush meadow in the sky.

Be Well,
Sixtus

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Dave's Picks 44 safely arrived at my house in the Netherlands today, fortunately without attracting the attention of the customs on the way. 👍🏻

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Sorry for your loss! RIP Sarge.

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Go to the utoobs, search for Weyes Blood Andromeda; amazing songwriter/performer, with very catchy and moody tunes. Check it out!

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You're intrigued by Taylor Swift and looking forward to "checking some more of her out."

Me too, bro. ALL of her.... as long as there's no music involved!

And yeah, to quote Dylan: "If I had wings, and I could fly, I know where I would go..." I'd go right straight to wherever my collie-huskie, Genaro, went, and hope to hang with my 20-year-old tuxedo cat, Zoe, too.

Man oh man, if only............

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Like Don Genaro (Genaro Flores) in Castaneda's works?
Maybe we can visit Ixtlan closer to our true state of being.
But a man of knowledge is a changed being and might not be able to go back home again.
I have a Zooey dog I can only visit in dreams as well. And my wife had a tuxedo cat. Fun coincidences.
Cheers
Dead on tap today: Dick's 25, May 10-11, 1978

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Hey, Folks, I never received Dave's 44, and I'm wondering if I've exhausted all options for relief! Apparently USPS forwarded it -- don't know where or why, though I've filed a missing mail report. But I suspect it was because the address on the shipping notice was incomplete (it was correct on the order). So I've emailed the customer service address on my order, and I've also emailed drrhino AT rhino.com. Have not heard from either. I know that people here have had good luck with Dr. Rhino. Am I using the right contact? Other suggestions for getting this show delivered? Thank you! Not fading away!

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campaign, scroll down a few entries, find Marye and send her a PM. She has near magical powers to facilitate attention to most of these matters, sort of our latter day fairy godmother to use an antiquated term. Carlo, my sympathies on your loss. Loved the animals around me from a very early age, took care of other peoples pets long term if asked. No longer are domesticated types in my life and miss that, though being close to wilderness, frequent direct experience with wildlife. There is a particularly close bond with dogs, since we have been breeding them for thousands of years to work with us. Freaking chipmunks munch all the pea sprout, have to chase deer and bear off the lawn, please don't eat the flowers. OK, love some more than others, there is nothing like a beloved unconditional companion like that

Thanks, DMCVT. I sent Marye a PM. Fingers crossed. Ears a-awaitin' for this show! (And Marye, if you're reading this, too, thanks for any advice!)

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VGuy - Like you, I knew none of Taylor Swift’s music, just knew she was pretty easy on the eyes, figured she is just another of the singers the ladies love. The wife and I were watching SNL and she was the musical guest, and she did this really long song, with some video accompaniment. My wife asked after what did I think (she loved it), and I told her truthfully, not too bad. I still have never heard another song by her, but I did hear she busted TicketBastard with demand, so props to her. That alone made me a “Swifty”!!

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Is now looking at Ticketmaster for anti-trust monopoly issues.
Ms. Swift brought that home to them when their kids were were crying their eyes out when the site crashed.
Cheers

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Thanks everyone for the kind words for Sarge, and I. Lots of dogs, and cats over the past year or so have left us deadheads. I believe Sarge, and all the other pets on this site are treated with sadness for the whole day like Garcia was mourned, but the next day would be a happy celebration for all the Jerrys', sarges' and all the other dogs and cats. They all would have wanted it that way, for us humans. Thanks again, guys.

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That dog (1978-1990) was freakin' smart. Large vocabulary and a provocateur for good times. He was vocal and brave and funny. And he was born in my backyard weeks before the GD's first shows at Red Rocks in July '78. He was still tiny when we spent those post-heavy-trip days getting ourselves put back together. One of the keys to his "hero dog" status is that I was 20 when he was born and 32 when he passed prematurely -- the best years of our lives, other than right freakin' NOW.

I'd get another dog, but it's only been 32 years since he passed, so still way too soon.

Now that my beloved cat is gone, and Dad too, I'm taking the opportunity to not be a caretaker/giant Mommy/Daddy for a while. I think that'll last a few years. Then I might take on one more round of cat & dog, if I feel I can weather the loss -- or that they could, if I cacked off.

And yet I still think I hear small footsteps and damn if it ain't quiet and a bit lonely here these days. But with a little help from my friends -- a few guitars and uncountable CD collection -- I believe I'll make it. Glass half full!

Grateful for the devoted company of animals, but sometimes it just plain hurts.

Didn’t Congress look into that years ago and do nothing?
The whole reseller thing is a scam.

Taylor needs to learn to play multiple nights in each city. The stage is already set up to be used a second and even third night. She needs to make sure that the Swifty’s get their fix.
Recall that Taylor and Mayer dated prior to Mayer being in D&C. Maybe after D&C they can get back together and make a band.

Condolences to all the pet owners. Seems that a lot have passed this year.
Dogs are great, I don’t really like cats. Chipmunks, squirrels, rabbits, groundhogs, etc suck. Always tearing up my garden.

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none of the tracking or "order status" functions do anything for me.. i have no idea whether this order exist in any way ..
hard to know what to say ... contacted the store they said they resubmitted my order... by making and entirely new order looks like... and they said i would get an email when it ships .. its been another week and no info .. and still nothing seems to work .. including logging in to this site.. had to create yet another password sequence.. I also ordered the subscription for next year... cant be sure any of it will work then either.. not really sure if i should bother trying anything else.. i dont really understand how this can happen .. computers as supposed to make all of this easier.. but doesnt seem to .. everything seems to get lost.. also seems like i cant even reply to anybody else comments.. only post new ones..

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Don't you know, IceCream, that she and JM are "never ever ever ever ever ever ever getting back together!"?

Look that up in your Funk N Wagnalls nyuk nyuk

PS Cats are awesome. Give em a chance

"That cat's something I can't explain"

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Stargazing bare eyed after sunset.
Low orbit satellite winked out on us.
Catching setting sun.
Slingshot to the moon. Far out man
Cheers

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"Lucifer sam, Siam cat. Always sitting bye your side, always by your side.......That cat's something I can't explain."

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#1892 has just been pushed through my door by the Royal Mail.

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So sorry to hear of Sarge's passing...we are allowed what seems like a short sliver of time (with all the time in the world) to have these glorious creatures be with us and leave their imprint on our soul....

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To us and Mr. Jinks & Violet...this week marks the 13th Anniversary of them agreeing to look after us....

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A new chapter in Dylan’s bootleg series coming in January:
Fragments – Time Out of Mind Sessions (1996-1997): The Bootleg Series Vol.17

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just release all the 1966 GD in the vault. just throw it all into a box and release it.

30 Days' inclusion of Mindbender has me jonesin' big time for that stuff.

MAWR MAWR MAWR!!!

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Just read an interesting snippet about a short acoustic set in the afternoon of 11/17/78 (44 years ago folks!) at Loyola College before a full electric set at the Uptown Theater in Chicago. Sounds interesting. It featured just Bobby, Jerry, Phil and Mickey. A precursor of the acoustic sets two years later I guess.

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I am in the same boat. Still no DaP44 for me. Seems to be more of an issue with this release than in the past.

Vguy - I have posted multiple times that DaP5 is the best release of the entire run. Just outstanding stuff. DaP43 is right up there though.

Happy Thanksgiving to everyone. Xmas decorations should not be displayed or music played until the Friday after turkey day. Just my own personal opinion.

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Also one of my favorite Dave's Picks.. this and 43, top shelf GD.

Pete Rose: raw deal.

ban from baseball for life upheld. sqreuw that. One of the greatest players ever.

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For those of you who like vinyl I notice that there is a 10LP version of the deluxe set which appears to be only available from bobdylandotcom
The Rolling Stones are cashing in again releasing a limited edition vinyl box of 16 mono albums.

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I think we might have a DaP 3 issue. Does anyone else remember that? Hundreds (thousands) of copies just disappeared off the face of the earth. An unsolved mystery to this day, postman really liked disc golf maybe. I eventually did get a copy, but it wasn't numbered, just says "Promo copy" which is fine, but weak should you ever be fool enough to sell your copy I suppose.

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PT Barnum , that acoustic set from 1978 has been released, I believe it is on the extended Version of .
Reckoning. The Dead do a killer version of Tom Dooley on there. I believe this to be the case, hopefully someone will correct me if I'm wrong.

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#1. Jimmy Reed the Vee Jay Years box set #2. Charlie Musslewhite, Takin My Time Arhoolie Records #3 Muddy Waters, Best of Muddy Waters Chess Records, #4Little Walter, Hate To See You Go, Chess Records, #5 Best of Little Walter, Chess Records

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I'm gonna go out on a limb and say I like the Road Trips from 11/21 even more than Dave's 5. And that Road Trips came with choice filler from 11/20 and a bonus disc from 12/6. Yessiree Bob.

People diss the series, but it had some killers. (Although they were terribly packaged.)

The list below is taken from Wikipedia, apologies for the poor formatting. This is the bonus material on the Rhino reissue. Two tracks from the 78 show

No. Title Writer(s) Recording date and venue Length
1. "To Lay Me Down" (Studio Rehearsal)
Garcia Hunter
09/14/80 Club Front 9:12
2. "Iko Iko" James "Sugar Boy" Crawford, Barbara Anne Hawkins, Rosa Lee Hawkins, Joan Johnson 10/07/80 Warfield Theatre 4:23
3. "Heaven Help the Fool" (instrumental version)
Weir Barlow
10/25/80 Radio City Music Hall 6:18
4. "El Paso" Marty Robbins 10/13/80 Warfield Theatre 4:41
5. "Sage & Spirit" Weir 10/31/80 Radio City Music Hall 3:14
6. "Little Sadie" Trad. arr. Grateful Dead 10/31/80 Radio City Music Hall 2:45
7. "It Must Have Been the Roses" (Alternate Live Version) Hunter 10/23/80 Radio City Music Hall 7:01
8. "Dark Hollow" (Alternate Live Version) Trad. arr. Grateful Dead 10/23/80 Radio City Music Hall 4:30
9. "Jack-A-Roe" (Alternate Live Version) Trad. arr. Grateful Dead 10/23/80 Radio City Music Hall 5:08
10. "Cassidy" (Alternate Live Version)
Weir Barlow
10/23/80 Radio City Music Hall 5:06
11. "China Doll" (Alternate Live Version)
Garcia Hunter
10/23/80 Radio City Music Hall 5:52
12. "Monkey and the Engineer" (Alternate Live Version) Fuller 10/23/80 Radio City Music Hall 2:37
13. "Oh Babe It Ain't No Lie" (Alternate Live Version) Cotten 10/23/80 Radio City Music Hall 7:13
14. "Ripple" (Alternate Live Version)
Garcia Hunter
10/23/80 Radio City Music Hall 4:37
15. "Tom Dooley" Trad. arr. Grateful Dead 11/17/78 Rambler Room 3:33
16. "Deep Elem Blues" (Alternate Live Version) Trad. arr. Grateful Dead 11/17/78 Rambler Room 3:42

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....that the general public never had a chance to buy them. Remaining sales are cancelled.
Ticketmaster had already sold more than 2 million of them in their stupid "pre-sale" scam and even they were snubbed. Resellers are already asking 20K or more. What a racket. One of the worst companies on the planet.

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Jimbo, your comment on DaP 5 got me to thinking - this is one of my favorite releases that I rarely listen to. I don't know why.

Lebowski99 - Road Trips '73 gets me sometimes with the buzzing in places - my problem for listening on headphones, but it is strong with the Force. I like how PITB Part 2 is practically a Dark Star segment (even part 3 could be the Space section). Set list is fantastic, although I think it was one Beer Barrel Polka from sheer perfection.

Agree on Pete Rose. Ban him from the commentator's booth so he can't put people off with stories about "cock-high fast balls", but put him the Hall. The dude never bet against the Reds, which I think is a hinging factor on how I feel about his exclusion. I'm 20 minutes outside of Philly, so I grew up watching him, Lefty, and Schmitty lead them to World Series victory, so yeah, I've seen him play a lot more than most. I was also at a game in '81 or '82 on the first base line, leaning over the fence trying to get a foul ball rolling in our direction. Some big a*** hole ran up behind me as we were next to the steps. I was only 9 or 10 and precariously teetering over the fence trying to get this ball, and he knocked me right onto the field on my face. Really rung my bell and scraped up my face on the rough surface (Vet stadium had astroturf on the field, but the warning track and surrounding area was this abrasive non-slip rubber composite). My mom had taken me to the game and couldn't reach me. Pete was already running over and helped me back over the fence. Asked if I was alright, said he saw the whole thing and had the catcher (who I think was still Bob Boone) throw him a ball to give me. Quite a week after that. But the way I see it he's paid his penance, especially when players like Bonds are stealing records from Hank Aaron and getting away with it.

Classy move from ol' PR

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20K for a ticket to anyone....
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Way.

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