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  • topchinacat
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    I managed to get to all the Ventura shows, being only a couple hours north of LA .... always a fun time on the beach ... great setting, good music... even managed a couple of decent photos of Uncle Jerry & the Boys and Bill Graham (backstage). But by far and away, the 7/13/84 (Dark Star returns!) show is one of the stand out moments of all the 50+ shows I saw in the early/mid 80's. When Phil comes out to the mic after the show and says ".... something special, one time only" (not an exact quote), the place went ape-shot! AND it was a tight, at pace, driving 15 minutes or so that no one wanted to end. Friday 13th at the Greek... how could there ever be a better Dead experience!!!

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    4 20 69

    Wow. Interesting twist on the setlist.

  • billy the kiddd
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    7/18/82 Ventura

    Crazy Fingers returns. Ventura, fun times!

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    clarification

    7/18/82 happened before we met
    7/13/84 is in keeping with the GD theme

    Meeting her and then the birthing as a bundle of family related stuff

    I mean...7/18/82 and 7/13/84 were MINDBLOWING and LIFE CHANGING.

    I figured I would meet the right young maiden at some point.

    I'll be quiet now.

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    LLLLLYYYYY HATE reCAPTCHA. There IS time to hate on that phenomenon.

  • Gratefulhan
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    Chop ups should be complete but fragments are neat…

    I'm definitely a complete show kind of head like many of you. And I think there are staples we could all agree upon that should be released in their entirety: Fillmore East February 1970, Fillmore East April 1971, and Winterland October 1974 are easy examples to come up with. Now with the Dicks Picks series, Mr. Latvala from what I have read was a little particular about shows. It's somewhat not surprising but reading through the often shared “Grateful Dead Miscellany” , Dick goes into his thoughts on many shows. This includes what he thinks may be released in the future. Some of his commentary does talk about shows that won't be necessarily released in their entirety based upon what he felt was the quality of the music (mostly) and available rels at that time. Here is a quote from him from that site about the 11/30/73, 12/1/73, 12/2/73 shows:

    “As for the run at Boston at the end of the month and the beginning of December, well I would have to say that it is just that, "a run of shows". What I mean here is that I see using these 3 nights as a 3-4 cd release of the "best of a run" kind of deal. Not one of the 3 stands out on it's own, but in combo, they will deliver some of the absolutely finest playing of the year!!!”

    That gives a little insight into maybe why some shows, at least when Dick was in charge, only got released in part or in fragments. I do think it is important to note that Dave L still puts out shows that Dick L held in high regard too.

    For the current times, I think we have a much fuller vault to work with the returned Betty Reels. We have definitely seen the fruits of that return in the form of many shows being released in their entirety. However, I guess there are still some shows that are incomplete or, as the old Dick’s Picks caveat used to read, where the sound was affected by “the ravages of time”. For the 2023 DaP bonus disc, the situation is as per the email:

    “There are two shows in September 1972 for which there are not complete recordings, either because of missing reels, or because of technical issues. The 2023 subscribers' Bonus Disc features the best material that sounded great from these two shows”

    It is hard to know exactly what is and is not affected by technical issues. Then of course what material was not affected but left off the bonus disc. Knowing how great Dave L has treated us , he often finds a way to get this missing material out if he can. Maybe it will be filler on another release or it will come out in a future 30 Days of Dead (if it hasn't already).

    With all of that, I often wonder if we would ever get complete releases of those shows that were chopped-up from many years ago. That is assuming that everything is contained in the vault and of releasable sound quality. I would certainly welcome it but at the same time if we're just stuck with chopped-up shows or fragments I think I can be OK with that. For me, I know looking towards the future, I'm really hoping that the vault gets mined for the other high profile shows that haven't been given the official release. I'm not knowledgeable enough to speak on the time it takes to put all these together other than I know we get quarterly releases of the DaP series, often an anniversary edition re-release, an LP for record store day, and one big box set per year. So, I guess the question begs, is there enough time and resources for Dave L and the crew to return to some of these old shows and put them out in their entirety without sacrificing the regular schedule of releases?

  • 1stshow70878
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    Sprogs

    A term for babies, 1940s military slang term.
    From obsolete mediaeval or pre-mediaeval English word "sprag",
    for a "lively young man". I like to keep up with Daverock and also with the continentals. Makes me feel smarter to speak the King's english.
    Cheers

  • Mr. Ones
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    Does your wife know she's 3rd on the list??
    I just had to chuckle, and yes, my wife knows she barely even MAKES the list!! Merry Christmas to All, and a Happy Hanukkah as well.

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    Hendrixfreak yes you are right about Bobby saying is there a doctor in the house at Englishtown. At Watkins Glen there was a young girl to our left about 25 feet and was ready to pop. It was raining and we saw her friends helping her to get up and leave...later we heard she gave birth. not sure if it was on the ground or in an Ambulance. and Savoy Brown I remember seeing them at the Filmore East right before Christmas with I think Poco, If I rememer Paul Cotton just replaced Jim Messina in Poco. At Penn State Poco was a big hit in all the Dorms with their music blasting out the windows. All these memories are making me feel old but Happy

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    No sprogs born at Watkins Glen ?

    You would have thought there would have been, in a crowd that size in 1973.

    Chalk me up for fragments too. You only have to look at the ones that have already come out - especially the incomplete shows in Dicks Picks and Road Trips - to see how well they can work.

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    No worries

    Here's a confession: I can't keep this forum straight! I've got 1st show and proudfoot mixed up and, hey, where did I put that pipe?

    Kim Simmonds, yeah! Flying V, A Hard Way to Go, A Step Further -- man, got into Savoy Brown in about 1970 and a couple years ago I bought a couple of their early albums on 2 LPs on one CD production. Good to have just plain hard rockin'!

    Hey Chuck, didn't Weir announce from the stage that they needed to get her out of the crowd and "is there a doctor in the house?" At the Glen I didn't hear anything about babies appearing, but I do recall the sky diver, who made a long descent, then I believe triggered a flare that burned him to death as he descended just outside the bounds of the crowd. Horrible! But 50 years on, is there a joke in there somewhere? I guess he was burning to see the Dead... I mean, that guy was smokin'....(sorry!!)

    Well, April 2023 should be pretty tasty: spring (of sorts here) and 4-5 hrs of fall '72 GD and the upside is, some tracks from my first show. Make that glass half-full, now that I'm done with the one-man pity party!

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....methinks all of us agree.
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Baby Blue encore. 😁

I didn't realize the cause..

Canada is exporting unwanted snow and weaponizing terrible storm systems the likes of Alberta Clippers and Polar Vortexes, then unleashing them here in the US.

I'm going to build a wall to keep this unwanted activity out. It seems they are only exporting their bad weather, so they have extra time to blow leaves and have fall and early spring lakefront picnics. Who's with me?

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dmcvt - you mentioned the Euro 72 shows. The run can be found on Spotify.

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When I met the cat in a liquor store parking lot in October I thought I detected a certain level of je ne sais quoi -- which, in French, literally means "this guy is %$@#! nuts! -- and just so you know, my dad grew up in Rochester and I was born in Manhattan. So's I KNOW New Yawk...

And folks, Vguy's fingers do the talking... when I met the man at the Rocks this past summer, he smiled, he cackled, he shared a doob, he fist-bumped at least a dozen people, then I had to chase him down. Imagine you're at Red Rocks, it's packed with people, and you're running up a set of stairs yelling "VGUY! IT'S ME, HENDRIXFREAK"! (Not exactly "Hey Bob, it's Joe"...) Well I got a few looks... But thinking back, Vguy said little. (I must have been babbling, especially after a couple tokes...) And I knew I had to make it to the other side of the amphitheater to hunt down Nappyrags before the TTB came on stage, so we had little time. Anyway, in print, the man is downright loquacious! (Points? Do I get points for weaving in "loquacious"?)

Anyhoo, couldn't sleep past 4:11 am this morning (why couldn't it have been 420??), so I turned on a light and read to the end of a killer book: Bob Dylan: On a Couch & Fifty Cents a Day by Peter McKenzie, whose mom and dad took in Dylan in summer '61. Dylan slept on their couch for months and made a few still unheard tapes while a guest. The "Dylan People" -- meaning those who crave every taped burp and fart -- are going wild over this news.

Anyway, I just rec'd the John Mayall box set of his first 10 years in the biz -- 35 CDs and a hardcover book priced at $350 (tempted but of course no go), but a friend tipped me off that a discount house had a limited number for sale for $80! How fast could I press the "Spend" button??? Anyway, someone caught Mayall and his band at Klook's Kleek in London in December '64 and the tape is freakin' well made, you can hear every detail of each drum component, guitar, vocal, harp, sax, organ and even bass. Between that box and the Dylan '66 box, I've got something to do between now and spring.

And only one cup of joe so far................ And Jim, no need for a northern wall -- the Canadians have seen quite enough these past six years; no Canadian wants in, thus they send the snow. Mmmm, craving a doughnut right now...

Well.. that made me chuckle. A sincere apology to our Northern friends and neighbors.

I think it was Garcia who commented in an interview something to the effect ...the music thing is a just a ruse, we're in this for the comedy... There is a comedian named Jerry Garcia from Southern California. I'm guessing the other Jerry would approve.

And we Western New Yaawwkers prefer to be called “Southern Canadian” to disassociate ourselves from the aaa, “other NY” lol.
Oh, and the accent, often hard to pinpoint, is a Great Lakes accent, similar to Cleveland, Chicago, Detroit, Milwaukee etc
Dooooooaaaaanuuttsss, did someone say donuts?
Horts eh!

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First we sent the Americans William Shatner. Then Justin Bieber. Still not enough.
Now…the snow. The Snow! (Maniacal Laughter!). Bury Hamburg! Swamp Orchard Park! Buffalo, a winter deluge! (More maniacal laughter)

PS - Please return Shania Twain. Still hot.

Oh, the horror!

I'm doubling down on my building a wall idea. We need to encapsulate the whole country in a giant glass bubble. Before you laugh.. this has been done before with much success (1), and... we cannot take the risk for another Beib infecting our already challenged gene pool.

(1) Source: The Simpsons Movie

# Deport Justin Bieber

How does any of this tie into the GD? During Homers Beer Detox episode, Homer is shown shackled to chair listening to the album "Long Strange Trip To Shelbyville" where he listens to Shakedown Street for three days as a detox technique lamenting, "and they're only on the second verse"

Just squeezed in a shortie listen to 7/9/89 Giants Stadium. The sequence from Brown Eyed Women through I Know You Rider gets me every time. Recommended summer show from an under rated box that will help thaw the ice that might be building up in your joints. If that doesn't work I hear it was blistering hot out when the GD joined Willie at 7/1/78, Arrowhead Stadium.

Ok, I'm done for the day, back to more thoughtful posters and more insightful analyses of music, culture and all things Grateful Dead.

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Deescalation - I just found this out. In 2003 Homer Simpson was made an honorary citizen of Winnipeg, Canada. Call it even?

With all the talk about the road trips releases, I decided to play the 71 Austin show in my car last night. This morning on my way to the grocery store the Not Fade Away jam is playing. Since it’s in the middle of the song I decided to hit rewind. Nothing happens. So, I keep pushing rewind. Still nothing. WTF? It turns out that they are playing the same song on Sirius.

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Did you say "seal Canada under a giant GAS bubble"??

I'm down with deporting Beiber but NOT Shania Twain, Neil Young or Joni Mitchell.

So, That Mike (didn't realize you're Canadian, hope I haven't written anything offensive, YET), I propose to send one thousand donuts and Justin Beiber and we SWEAR we won't be on your doorstep begging for citizenship anytime in the next (oh boy, this is dicey), say, 6-12 months? If you need a sweetner, ha ha, we'll make 'em glazed donuts.

Just so you know, offering donuts to Canadians would be roughly akin to offering thousands of pizzas to Americans -- insulting? yes! cliched? yes yes! stupid? hey, it's HF!

As for GD content, boy that was some band, huh?

So goes another beautiful Sunday with blue skies on the banana belt (front range of Colorado), so I think I'll get tokin' , crack a beer and play some gee-tar -- how 'bout the traditional version of "Cocaine Blues"?

Cocaine for horses, not for men
Doctor say it'll kill me but he don't say when
Cocaine, all around my brain....

At least that's true about 25 years ago when I slipped its grip and inadvertently entered the "Opioid Years," but that's a whole 'nother story......

....yeah. Best not to dwell on that.
Just like I don't like to bring up my meth years. Boooo.
2002-2004 are years I'm not proud of.
A very evil drug.
My wife and I dug in hard regarding that crap and almost cost us our marriage.
But we turned it around.
Don't. Do. It.

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Hi MaryE, hoping you can help, I received my shipping notice with a tracking number on Oct. 27th. The shipping number has yet to show anything and I haven’t received my Daves 44. It’s not international, I live in Massachusetts…..Any other Massachusetts folks not get theirs?

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You said your first show was 4 19 82?

Impressive

I am listening to it at the tail end of a GD bender.

I am at the point where I KNOW I gotta put 'em aside for a bit

:(((

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Yep.. first show. Very limited exposure to the GD prior to the mind warp we experienced that night, a single listen to Terrapin Station plus the usual radio songs. They played Terrapin right when things started to get weird. Then that Raven Space pushed us over the edge. To Jupiter and Beyond the Infinite.

Good clean fun, oh.. and it had a Cumberland. A scary fun time was had by all.

Speaking of the Terrapins... they almost pulled it off yesterday. The Dead played on campus at Cole Field House on 3/7/81, the show just before the MSG shows that kick off the Garden Box Set. Surprisingly, they did not play Terrapin Station nor Cumberland Blues at this show, the two (sort of) MD themed songs in their cannon.

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Still missing mine in MD. My tracking number never worked. Something funny's going on. I'm guessing it was a warehouse issue. Customer service has been unresponsive.

Oh, and the two recent upgrades of 5/1169 and 12/19/69 making the rounds absolutely smoke. Fans of Dave's 43 - and who wasn't? - would be wise to seek them out.

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AJS, the universe was telling you something. Use the numbers from that release for your next powerball ticket.

Road Trips 4
Volume 3
Month 11
Date 15
Year 71
Tune # 21

But if you win, you have to split the proceeds.

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send me a PM with the details and I'll see what the Doc can discover.
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as I go into a "no GD for a while" phase, I have the following on the "last 5" list

Melvins: Nude with Boots
Stalag 13: In Control
Kraftwerk: Tour De France
Kraftwerk: Europe Endless
Nazareth: Hair of the Dog

my recent GD bender:
7/6/84
7/4/84
5/6/80 RT
5/7/80 RT
4/18/82
4/19/82
11/13/72
11/14/72
11/15/72
10/30/72
9/14/78
9/15/78

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Thanks for the advice. Unfortunately, I don't play the lottery.

I have an understanding with the manager of the convenience store. Whenever there is a long line of people (invariably either purchasing or checking their lottery numbers), I just walk out with my morning coffee. Of course I square up the next time I visit.

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Stretching, don’t forget to stretch before and after, don’t wanna pull any muscles!
I always seem to get burned out on Dead at the end of the year.
Good thing Xmass music is the ultimate cleanse lol.

Hey, how’s the Covid treating you? Hope your better!

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I tried to pm you, when I hit save it says can’t send message as thread has been deleted. You asked for details- I was sent a shipping notice onOct 27th, tracking has never showed anything. Customer service never responded to me( no surprise). I would appreciate some help, thanks!

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Vguy, I just read your comment about "the opioid years". Sorry to hear you went through that buddy.

To all: A very close friend of mine lost his entire bank account buying Percocet off the street. Half his problem was he didn't know where to go for help and once he was hooked he could not get off them without the sort of withdrawal pain that is depicted in Trainspotting. It's no different than heroin.

If you know anybody with this problem, seek out a doctor who prescribes Suboxone. It sits on the opioid receptors but does not make you high like methadone, so you can very easily replace an expensive habit with something therapeutic and easy without feeling like s***. Suboxone is buprenorphine coupled with another drug called naloxone, which will not allow you to fall off the wagon on a moment's notice. The naloxone will cause someone to go into a state called "forced withdrawal", which basically puts you straight into opioid withdrawal, so it would be crazy to do it. You would need to plan a 3-day detox from Suboxone to get high off of an opioid. That takes the weak moment of random opportunity, stress, or peer pressure out of the picture. I don't know why they don't advertise this medication, particularly during this huge social opioid crisis that's going on, so I wanted to pass on the info. Maybe it'll help somebody you know out there.

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MaryE is going to need your order number……

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I feel fine
Actually went back to work today

Only two days of Covid misery in all. I am lucky.

Not sure I can stretch things out with GD. When I get on a bender, I get on a bender.

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Just a quick one -that drug is useful in reversing the effects of an opiate overdose. Hopefully it's available to users and their families -it's a potential life saver. That, or something similar, used to be prescribed in the UK after someone had detoxed, so if that they used again they would go into immediate withdrawal. Not too popular, I have to say.

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PF, I was trying to make a joke about how hard you were binging, so like an athlete I was suggesting you do some stretching so as not to pull a muscle or something ; ) Obviously the joke didn’t work ; )
Glad your feeling better!!

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Still no sighting of DP44 in the UK for this viewer….

Lots of crazy UPS back and forth from US and to UK International “senders” (from 04-11 to 14-11) and not a lot else…

Slightly odd. Any ideas anyone?

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I attended this show with the group of people that I usually went to shows with back in the day and one person who had never seen the Dead before. After the show the prevailing opinion amongst the group was "a good show but the band seemed a little run down". The first timer said "it was the BEST concert he had ever seen by any band" and repeatedly expressed that thought during the entire trip home. Thinking back it makes me realize how we kind of took things for granted back then, like there will always be another show or another tour to go see. Glad we have the opportunity to relive some of those times through the shows we can purchase and the thoughts of the members here.

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Quite a few of us have had delivery problems with this release.

I suggest the following (which is what I did):

- Contact Marye via PM with your order information.

- Replay either DaP43 or Road Trips Austin 71

While it may be good, ain't nothing on DaP44 that will come close to the level of playing on those two releases.

You can also go watch the World Cup.

Sorry for your troubles.

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Plenty good to me.

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If your buds said that 3/9/81 and 3/10/81 were also "a little run down"...time to jettison those guys.

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Hey Nitecat, Ed Martin says, "I'm late. I'm in the weeds, but I'm working on it. Fingers crossed that I can pull it off this year!"

Always great picks, and his commentary is mighty fine too. Fingers crossed. . .

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something seems to be haywire with the PMs all right; I've reported this. Stay tuned...
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I'm in exactly the same situation as you, Doingtheneedful - UPS tracking status the same as yours (loads of US/UK international carrier departure/arrival dates, nothing since 14 November).

I received my initial 'on its way' e-mail from the Grateful Dead Store on 22 October, so this is the longest wait of any Dave's Picks subscription (and I've subscribed to all 11 years).

Starting to get worried on this one, especially if Customer Services are proving unresponsive about non-delivery.

I think I saw Colin Gould in the UK said his DP44 arrived last week, so one/some have got through.

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Thanks for the update on 31 unofficial days. Let me know if you see where it is.

Neil Young is doing a three night theater run of his 1971 documentary about the making of "harvest" in early December.

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No sooner than spoken, who should appear? But five travelling bards and their bellowing good cheer…

In other words it was on my porch floor when I got home this evening.

Usually the way… It definitely took a little longer this time, but then I recall being mostly pleasantly surprised by how rapidly other shows arrived.

Thanks as always to the Dave’s’ crew, and hopefully a fillip for anyone else over these waters still in expectation.

Take care all.

xxx

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Received here ok in the U.K. a few days ago. Mind you, a t shirt I bought from dead net store has somehow been posted via the U.S. to London Heathrow and has disappeared again for two weeks only for it to be, according to USPS, on its way to its final destination (i.e. me in Nottingham) via Korea! Go figure. I guess it’s lost.

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I just have to publicly thank Marye for correcting a serious issue with my latest order. She’s toppermost of the poppermost!!

Decided to dig into RT’s Penn St./Cornell May 1980. What could possibly go wrong??

I just also want to say that in these sometimes horrific times, I would like to wish my American friends a safe, healthy, and Happy Thanksgiving Holiday. To the North & East, best wishes to all, we need to take care of each other, now more than ever. I much appreciate the feedback coming from Canada & Europe!!

Music is (still) the Best!!

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....in Australia, and Rich Robinson decided to let him meet the foot of his guitar.
Good on you Rich. Hope you broke his jaw. Same thing happened at a Maiden concert.
You will never regret being kind 👍
Some people suck man.
Let the music play. No one cares if you get your stupid likes.
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An interesting show.

Performances being equal, I find myself liking shows where the recording / sound is great and not liking shows where the sound is subpar, again performances being more or less equal. This is probably normal.. like when a terrific recording suddenly appears and a show we thought was meh becomes a classic.

My dad used to take me to Cole Field House in the mid 70's to see the Terps play. It was loud, the acoustics boomy, full of reverb and echos. I have a soundboard of that 81 show (supposedly) and it sounds like a boomy audience tape. They just can't seem to work out the sound demons.

I can only assume the acoustics played a role in how you all perceived the show and your buddy had nothing to measure it against.

Back to your buddy that raved about the show the whole way home, great story.. but I have to ask, which one of you dosed the poor soul and did you drop him off in his front yard wearing nothing but a wrist watch? Just curious. A tip of the glass to the next pole guy.

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I'd also like to thank Marye and the mysterious Doc for sorting out a problem I had with an order recently. Reassuring for future orders - of which I am sure there will be many.

Wait Jim, were you there? Thought no one knew about that...

The first timer's frame of reference was he had seen the Police a few days earlier. Having never seen the Police myself I don't know how they compared to the Dead and if that influenced his opinion.

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Thanks to those folks in the UK posting about the arrival of DaP 44. In the beforetimes, my Dave's Picks would promptly arrive two weeks after the shipping notice. Now they take an indeterminate 5-7 weeks, and I usually get them a few days after the European crew. So news of their landing overseas eases my mind. If I can only can manage patience for another week or so. (I'll occupy my time by re-listening to days 5 and 7 of 30Days.)

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