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  • estimated-eyes
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    The sitting down or standing up at shows is a vexing issue. Pretty much every show I went to until the mid-2010s was a stand-up affair. Dancing or not, when the band was on the stage, most of the audience was out of their seats. The first time I ran into the issue in a significant way was at a Tedeschi Trucks Band show at the Morris Theater in South Bend, IN in 2016. I went solo and scored a 4th row ticket on Trucks side on the aisle. Looking around as I took my seat, I read the crowd as a sitting crowd, but I got up plenty and made myself as inconspicuous as possible (tough being over 6') in the aisle, but most folks stayed sitting throughout. After their main set, they come out and they are tuning up and a lady from the center yells, "Can we get up and dance?" Susan told us we could do what we wanted, get up and dance, sit, whatever. They proceeded to play a Bitches Brew jam that seriously melted my face, though I was probably one of only 10 people in the crowd who knew what they were playing.

    On the other end of the spectrum was a Phish show on Northerly Island in Chicago about 2012 or so. This was a GA show in a largely undeveloped field on this island. The night previous they had the set abbreviated by a big storm and promised a three set show this night. First set rocks and they go into break and think I can sit down and rest (I was in my 40s at this point in time) for the next set. Nope, Phish fans were constantly jostling for position, bumping me, stepping on me. After the 2nd set, I figure folks must be tired and want to sit down-- nope, more jostling. I have not attended a Phish show since-- if I can't sit down at set break, that is f-ed up.

    I am of the mind, let folks do what they want to do, like Susan said. Sit, stand, dance, whatever makes you happy. But, also let folks do what they want to do. Now, if you are a sitter, that may mean you are not going to have a good view for the show if the person in front is a dancer/stander, but that is the trade-off. At TTB this summer in Aurora, IL, it was a sitting crowd, so I went with that, however, when I did get up and explore, the sound was considerably better from a standing position.

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    Great watching Croatia knock Brazil out of the World Cup earlier today. Those Brazilian players are the worst behaved of any I have seen recently. The white haired ones seemed the worst. Fouling as often as possible, pretending to be fouled themselves, crying when they lost. What a shower. You wouldn't want to be standing behind them at a gig.

    Seeing your name reminds me, Colin, I may order that new King Crimson box before Christmas.

  • Colin Gould
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    Another book

    It’s dangerous to browse the internet. I was looking for some other stuff and ‘The Lyrics of Syd Barrett’ appeared on the screen. I couldn’t resist it. It apparently came out last year but I missed it.

  • billy the kiddd
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    "What's Become of the Baby"

    "Waves of violet go crashing and laughing. The rainbow winged singing birds fly round the sun. Sun bells rain down in a liquid profusion. Mermaids on porpoises draw up the dawn. What's Become of the Baby this cold December morning?"

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    Obnoxious show goer

    Does anyone remember Allison?

  • Vguy72
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    33 years ago today....

    ....the Grateful Dead played The Forum in LA. Spencer Davis and Bruce Hornsby sat in.
    It's a grate show.

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    Nice-ness = good

    Nitecate you found the formula for making friends and influencing neighbors: asking nicely. A genuine smile and a look directly into someone's eyes often does the trick in modifying annoying behaviors. Unfortunately for me, there are certain lines in my face that I cannot hide, so I hope to distract with eye contact and a big smile. I can do that at least twice a year.

    Oro -- I'm on the mend. Had a 9-day follow-up today with a fresh EKG, exam of my entry wounds by a very nice looking young woman, and fresh advice on taking it easy another 20 days, with six meds per day (some twice) so I have something to do.

    Interestingly, and it's a bummer, that my local Dead Hippie Brewing is closing, so we're headin' there tonight as on most Thursday nights for an open mic gathering. The owners, Dean and Cheryl, are about as nice as you get and their hospitality and vibe has been infectious. You can walk in anytime, talk to anyone, hang, make friends and on Thursdays play your ass off and everyone is grooving on the great beer selection and the parking lot scene. Sound familiar? I often play Pigpen tunes and that automatically gets a rise out 'o the crowd, tunes like Easy Wind, Mr. Charlie, Operator, Big Boss Man (okay, Jimmy Reed ala Ron McKernan), I think there's others... oh yeah, Alligator acoustic (try it, it's actually a children's song when done sing-song acoustic).

    Poncho -- do you know the Setlist Program? It could be the source material for your Xcel spreadsheet, but you'd have to do data entry for 2,000 shows. We hardly knew ye when ye dropped off the face of the Earth...........

  • nitecat
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    HF - obnoxious show goers

    HF, your story reminds me of a time at a Dead show. We were up front in our space and next to me was a large woman in a very furry sweater. Furry like prickly almost. And she kept rubbing my bare arm with her prickly sweater. Very annoying. I had to ask her nicely to move further away from me.

  • nitecat
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    Poncho - Deadbase Jr.

    Poncho, there used to be a little softcover pocketbook called Deadbase Jr. It had every known show and setlists. Not so overwhelming as the oversize Deadbase, but from the same people. Not a spreadsheet, but easy to deal with. Don't think it's published anymore. You might pick up one on ebay.

  • Mr. Ones
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    C'mon VGUY, if I knew that was YOU, I'd have no problem with you dancing in front of me, just tell the other 26 people to get the H*LL out of my sightline!!

    1STSHOW, LOVE the critters!! My experience with trying to capture good photos is to make sure my phone is ALWAYS nearby. The best shots I have only lasted for seconds before it would have been too late.
    For the record, I like Hobbes (with an E), and Big Boy Pete!! Lots of possible nicknames with those 2.

    Not sure what to do, so I think I'll listen to some music. It's the Best!!

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....methinks all of us agree.
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Baby Blue encore. 😁

I didn't realize the cause..

Canada is exporting unwanted snow and weaponizing terrible storm systems the likes of Alberta Clippers and Polar Vortexes, then unleashing them here in the US.

I'm going to build a wall to keep this unwanted activity out. It seems they are only exporting their bad weather, so they have extra time to blow leaves and have fall and early spring lakefront picnics. Who's with me?

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dmcvt - you mentioned the Euro 72 shows. The run can be found on Spotify.

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When I met the cat in a liquor store parking lot in October I thought I detected a certain level of je ne sais quoi -- which, in French, literally means "this guy is %$@#! nuts! -- and just so you know, my dad grew up in Rochester and I was born in Manhattan. So's I KNOW New Yawk...

And folks, Vguy's fingers do the talking... when I met the man at the Rocks this past summer, he smiled, he cackled, he shared a doob, he fist-bumped at least a dozen people, then I had to chase him down. Imagine you're at Red Rocks, it's packed with people, and you're running up a set of stairs yelling "VGUY! IT'S ME, HENDRIXFREAK"! (Not exactly "Hey Bob, it's Joe"...) Well I got a few looks... But thinking back, Vguy said little. (I must have been babbling, especially after a couple tokes...) And I knew I had to make it to the other side of the amphitheater to hunt down Nappyrags before the TTB came on stage, so we had little time. Anyway, in print, the man is downright loquacious! (Points? Do I get points for weaving in "loquacious"?)

Anyhoo, couldn't sleep past 4:11 am this morning (why couldn't it have been 420??), so I turned on a light and read to the end of a killer book: Bob Dylan: On a Couch & Fifty Cents a Day by Peter McKenzie, whose mom and dad took in Dylan in summer '61. Dylan slept on their couch for months and made a few still unheard tapes while a guest. The "Dylan People" -- meaning those who crave every taped burp and fart -- are going wild over this news.

Anyway, I just rec'd the John Mayall box set of his first 10 years in the biz -- 35 CDs and a hardcover book priced at $350 (tempted but of course no go), but a friend tipped me off that a discount house had a limited number for sale for $80! How fast could I press the "Spend" button??? Anyway, someone caught Mayall and his band at Klook's Kleek in London in December '64 and the tape is freakin' well made, you can hear every detail of each drum component, guitar, vocal, harp, sax, organ and even bass. Between that box and the Dylan '66 box, I've got something to do between now and spring.

And only one cup of joe so far................ And Jim, no need for a northern wall -- the Canadians have seen quite enough these past six years; no Canadian wants in, thus they send the snow. Mmmm, craving a doughnut right now...

Well.. that made me chuckle. A sincere apology to our Northern friends and neighbors.

I think it was Garcia who commented in an interview something to the effect ...the music thing is a just a ruse, we're in this for the comedy... There is a comedian named Jerry Garcia from Southern California. I'm guessing the other Jerry would approve.

And we Western New Yaawwkers prefer to be called “Southern Canadian” to disassociate ourselves from the aaa, “other NY” lol.
Oh, and the accent, often hard to pinpoint, is a Great Lakes accent, similar to Cleveland, Chicago, Detroit, Milwaukee etc
Dooooooaaaaanuuttsss, did someone say donuts?
Horts eh!

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First we sent the Americans William Shatner. Then Justin Bieber. Still not enough.
Now…the snow. The Snow! (Maniacal Laughter!). Bury Hamburg! Swamp Orchard Park! Buffalo, a winter deluge! (More maniacal laughter)

PS - Please return Shania Twain. Still hot.

Oh, the horror!

I'm doubling down on my building a wall idea. We need to encapsulate the whole country in a giant glass bubble. Before you laugh.. this has been done before with much success (1), and... we cannot take the risk for another Beib infecting our already challenged gene pool.

(1) Source: The Simpsons Movie

# Deport Justin Bieber

How does any of this tie into the GD? During Homers Beer Detox episode, Homer is shown shackled to chair listening to the album "Long Strange Trip To Shelbyville" where he listens to Shakedown Street for three days as a detox technique lamenting, "and they're only on the second verse"

Just squeezed in a shortie listen to 7/9/89 Giants Stadium. The sequence from Brown Eyed Women through I Know You Rider gets me every time. Recommended summer show from an under rated box that will help thaw the ice that might be building up in your joints. If that doesn't work I hear it was blistering hot out when the GD joined Willie at 7/1/78, Arrowhead Stadium.

Ok, I'm done for the day, back to more thoughtful posters and more insightful analyses of music, culture and all things Grateful Dead.

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Deescalation - I just found this out. In 2003 Homer Simpson was made an honorary citizen of Winnipeg, Canada. Call it even?

With all the talk about the road trips releases, I decided to play the 71 Austin show in my car last night. This morning on my way to the grocery store the Not Fade Away jam is playing. Since it’s in the middle of the song I decided to hit rewind. Nothing happens. So, I keep pushing rewind. Still nothing. WTF? It turns out that they are playing the same song on Sirius.

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Did you say "seal Canada under a giant GAS bubble"??

I'm down with deporting Beiber but NOT Shania Twain, Neil Young or Joni Mitchell.

So, That Mike (didn't realize you're Canadian, hope I haven't written anything offensive, YET), I propose to send one thousand donuts and Justin Beiber and we SWEAR we won't be on your doorstep begging for citizenship anytime in the next (oh boy, this is dicey), say, 6-12 months? If you need a sweetner, ha ha, we'll make 'em glazed donuts.

Just so you know, offering donuts to Canadians would be roughly akin to offering thousands of pizzas to Americans -- insulting? yes! cliched? yes yes! stupid? hey, it's HF!

As for GD content, boy that was some band, huh?

So goes another beautiful Sunday with blue skies on the banana belt (front range of Colorado), so I think I'll get tokin' , crack a beer and play some gee-tar -- how 'bout the traditional version of "Cocaine Blues"?

Cocaine for horses, not for men
Doctor say it'll kill me but he don't say when
Cocaine, all around my brain....

At least that's true about 25 years ago when I slipped its grip and inadvertently entered the "Opioid Years," but that's a whole 'nother story......

....yeah. Best not to dwell on that.
Just like I don't like to bring up my meth years. Boooo.
2002-2004 are years I'm not proud of.
A very evil drug.
My wife and I dug in hard regarding that crap and almost cost us our marriage.
But we turned it around.
Don't. Do. It.

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Hi MaryE, hoping you can help, I received my shipping notice with a tracking number on Oct. 27th. The shipping number has yet to show anything and I haven’t received my Daves 44. It’s not international, I live in Massachusetts…..Any other Massachusetts folks not get theirs?

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You said your first show was 4 19 82?

Impressive

I am listening to it at the tail end of a GD bender.

I am at the point where I KNOW I gotta put 'em aside for a bit

:(((

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Yep.. first show. Very limited exposure to the GD prior to the mind warp we experienced that night, a single listen to Terrapin Station plus the usual radio songs. They played Terrapin right when things started to get weird. Then that Raven Space pushed us over the edge. To Jupiter and Beyond the Infinite.

Good clean fun, oh.. and it had a Cumberland. A scary fun time was had by all.

Speaking of the Terrapins... they almost pulled it off yesterday. The Dead played on campus at Cole Field House on 3/7/81, the show just before the MSG shows that kick off the Garden Box Set. Surprisingly, they did not play Terrapin Station nor Cumberland Blues at this show, the two (sort of) MD themed songs in their cannon.

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Still missing mine in MD. My tracking number never worked. Something funny's going on. I'm guessing it was a warehouse issue. Customer service has been unresponsive.

Oh, and the two recent upgrades of 5/1169 and 12/19/69 making the rounds absolutely smoke. Fans of Dave's 43 - and who wasn't? - would be wise to seek them out.

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AJS, the universe was telling you something. Use the numbers from that release for your next powerball ticket.

Road Trips 4
Volume 3
Month 11
Date 15
Year 71
Tune # 21

But if you win, you have to split the proceeds.

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send me a PM with the details and I'll see what the Doc can discover.
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as I go into a "no GD for a while" phase, I have the following on the "last 5" list

Melvins: Nude with Boots
Stalag 13: In Control
Kraftwerk: Tour De France
Kraftwerk: Europe Endless
Nazareth: Hair of the Dog

my recent GD bender:
7/6/84
7/4/84
5/6/80 RT
5/7/80 RT
4/18/82
4/19/82
11/13/72
11/14/72
11/15/72
10/30/72
9/14/78
9/15/78

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Thanks for the advice. Unfortunately, I don't play the lottery.

I have an understanding with the manager of the convenience store. Whenever there is a long line of people (invariably either purchasing or checking their lottery numbers), I just walk out with my morning coffee. Of course I square up the next time I visit.

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Stretching, don’t forget to stretch before and after, don’t wanna pull any muscles!
I always seem to get burned out on Dead at the end of the year.
Good thing Xmass music is the ultimate cleanse lol.

Hey, how’s the Covid treating you? Hope your better!

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I tried to pm you, when I hit save it says can’t send message as thread has been deleted. You asked for details- I was sent a shipping notice onOct 27th, tracking has never showed anything. Customer service never responded to me( no surprise). I would appreciate some help, thanks!

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Vguy, I just read your comment about "the opioid years". Sorry to hear you went through that buddy.

To all: A very close friend of mine lost his entire bank account buying Percocet off the street. Half his problem was he didn't know where to go for help and once he was hooked he could not get off them without the sort of withdrawal pain that is depicted in Trainspotting. It's no different than heroin.

If you know anybody with this problem, seek out a doctor who prescribes Suboxone. It sits on the opioid receptors but does not make you high like methadone, so you can very easily replace an expensive habit with something therapeutic and easy without feeling like s***. Suboxone is buprenorphine coupled with another drug called naloxone, which will not allow you to fall off the wagon on a moment's notice. The naloxone will cause someone to go into a state called "forced withdrawal", which basically puts you straight into opioid withdrawal, so it would be crazy to do it. You would need to plan a 3-day detox from Suboxone to get high off of an opioid. That takes the weak moment of random opportunity, stress, or peer pressure out of the picture. I don't know why they don't advertise this medication, particularly during this huge social opioid crisis that's going on, so I wanted to pass on the info. Maybe it'll help somebody you know out there.

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MaryE is going to need your order number……

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I feel fine
Actually went back to work today

Only two days of Covid misery in all. I am lucky.

Not sure I can stretch things out with GD. When I get on a bender, I get on a bender.

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Just a quick one -that drug is useful in reversing the effects of an opiate overdose. Hopefully it's available to users and their families -it's a potential life saver. That, or something similar, used to be prescribed in the UK after someone had detoxed, so if that they used again they would go into immediate withdrawal. Not too popular, I have to say.

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PF, I was trying to make a joke about how hard you were binging, so like an athlete I was suggesting you do some stretching so as not to pull a muscle or something ; ) Obviously the joke didn’t work ; )
Glad your feeling better!!

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Still no sighting of DP44 in the UK for this viewer….

Lots of crazy UPS back and forth from US and to UK International “senders” (from 04-11 to 14-11) and not a lot else…

Slightly odd. Any ideas anyone?

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I attended this show with the group of people that I usually went to shows with back in the day and one person who had never seen the Dead before. After the show the prevailing opinion amongst the group was "a good show but the band seemed a little run down". The first timer said "it was the BEST concert he had ever seen by any band" and repeatedly expressed that thought during the entire trip home. Thinking back it makes me realize how we kind of took things for granted back then, like there will always be another show or another tour to go see. Glad we have the opportunity to relive some of those times through the shows we can purchase and the thoughts of the members here.

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Quite a few of us have had delivery problems with this release.

I suggest the following (which is what I did):

- Contact Marye via PM with your order information.

- Replay either DaP43 or Road Trips Austin 71

While it may be good, ain't nothing on DaP44 that will come close to the level of playing on those two releases.

You can also go watch the World Cup.

Sorry for your troubles.

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Plenty good to me.

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If your buds said that 3/9/81 and 3/10/81 were also "a little run down"...time to jettison those guys.

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Hey Nitecat, Ed Martin says, "I'm late. I'm in the weeds, but I'm working on it. Fingers crossed that I can pull it off this year!"

Always great picks, and his commentary is mighty fine too. Fingers crossed. . .

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something seems to be haywire with the PMs all right; I've reported this. Stay tuned...
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I'm in exactly the same situation as you, Doingtheneedful - UPS tracking status the same as yours (loads of US/UK international carrier departure/arrival dates, nothing since 14 November).

I received my initial 'on its way' e-mail from the Grateful Dead Store on 22 October, so this is the longest wait of any Dave's Picks subscription (and I've subscribed to all 11 years).

Starting to get worried on this one, especially if Customer Services are proving unresponsive about non-delivery.

I think I saw Colin Gould in the UK said his DP44 arrived last week, so one/some have got through.

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Thanks for the update on 31 unofficial days. Let me know if you see where it is.

Neil Young is doing a three night theater run of his 1971 documentary about the making of "harvest" in early December.

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No sooner than spoken, who should appear? But five travelling bards and their bellowing good cheer…

In other words it was on my porch floor when I got home this evening.

Usually the way… It definitely took a little longer this time, but then I recall being mostly pleasantly surprised by how rapidly other shows arrived.

Thanks as always to the Dave’s’ crew, and hopefully a fillip for anyone else over these waters still in expectation.

Take care all.

xxx

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Received here ok in the U.K. a few days ago. Mind you, a t shirt I bought from dead net store has somehow been posted via the U.S. to London Heathrow and has disappeared again for two weeks only for it to be, according to USPS, on its way to its final destination (i.e. me in Nottingham) via Korea! Go figure. I guess it’s lost.

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I just have to publicly thank Marye for correcting a serious issue with my latest order. She’s toppermost of the poppermost!!

Decided to dig into RT’s Penn St./Cornell May 1980. What could possibly go wrong??

I just also want to say that in these sometimes horrific times, I would like to wish my American friends a safe, healthy, and Happy Thanksgiving Holiday. To the North & East, best wishes to all, we need to take care of each other, now more than ever. I much appreciate the feedback coming from Canada & Europe!!

Music is (still) the Best!!

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....in Australia, and Rich Robinson decided to let him meet the foot of his guitar.
Good on you Rich. Hope you broke his jaw. Same thing happened at a Maiden concert.
You will never regret being kind 👍
Some people suck man.
Let the music play. No one cares if you get your stupid likes.
Gen X checking in. Get off my browser.

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An interesting show.

Performances being equal, I find myself liking shows where the recording / sound is great and not liking shows where the sound is subpar, again performances being more or less equal. This is probably normal.. like when a terrific recording suddenly appears and a show we thought was meh becomes a classic.

My dad used to take me to Cole Field House in the mid 70's to see the Terps play. It was loud, the acoustics boomy, full of reverb and echos. I have a soundboard of that 81 show (supposedly) and it sounds like a boomy audience tape. They just can't seem to work out the sound demons.

I can only assume the acoustics played a role in how you all perceived the show and your buddy had nothing to measure it against.

Back to your buddy that raved about the show the whole way home, great story.. but I have to ask, which one of you dosed the poor soul and did you drop him off in his front yard wearing nothing but a wrist watch? Just curious. A tip of the glass to the next pole guy.

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I'd also like to thank Marye and the mysterious Doc for sorting out a problem I had with an order recently. Reassuring for future orders - of which I am sure there will be many.

Wait Jim, were you there? Thought no one knew about that...

The first timer's frame of reference was he had seen the Police a few days earlier. Having never seen the Police myself I don't know how they compared to the Dead and if that influenced his opinion.

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Thanks to those folks in the UK posting about the arrival of DaP 44. In the beforetimes, my Dave's Picks would promptly arrive two weeks after the shipping notice. Now they take an indeterminate 5-7 weeks, and I usually get them a few days after the European crew. So news of their landing overseas eases my mind. If I can only can manage patience for another week or so. (I'll occupy my time by re-listening to days 5 and 7 of 30Days.)

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