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  • daverock
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    live show and live recording

    To me there is very little that connects seeing the band live to sitting at home listening to a live recording. To recap I saw them 5 times in 1981 and 1990. Loved all 5 shows, and they didn't play any songs that I didn't like. Some songs, that I hadn't been so keen on -Row Jimmy comes to mind - made much more sense in real time than it did on live recordings, or on Wake of the Flood. Drums and Space in 1990 blew my head off. It doesn't do that now, unfortunately. More interesting than mind blowing
    On 10/30/90 I thought it was great when they broke into "Lovelight" - an actual song off "Live Dead". Sadly, I don't have this response now - in fact I have no interest whatsoever in hearing a Bob sung Lovelight now. Or a show from 1990, for that matter. But that doesn't mean for a second that it wasn't great at the time, being there.

    Like everyone on here, I guess, there are some songs I have heard way to often, simply because they are played at shows which are brilliant overall. To skip them feels a bit like skipping a dull chapter in a novel - you want to, but it makes you feel a bit guilty if you do.

  • JimInMD
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    Can one train a dog to poop on the floor (or sofa) each morning at exactly 3am?

    I thought it was just me that got borderline PTSD when a show ended with Throwing Stones>NFA encore: US Blues. Miracle and Mexicali are on my list with many of the late era new songs mentioned.

    Fortunately, there are so many great songs they either wrote or covered that really made it difficult to have a bad time at a Dead show. There was almost always something special. So time your bathroom breaks with skip tunes, stay away from the brown acid and let the good times roll.

    Before shows some of the folks I would travel with would voice out what they thought we were going to hear mixed with dream setlists and the occasional song that they best not play that night or else (in the spirit of that Sideways quote, "I am NOT drinking any f***king Merlot"). We are a spirited bunch aren't we?

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    Sorry for your mishap vguy

    But I cant stop laughing.

    Dog poop at 3 am

    Isnt that a simon and garfunkel album title?

    One search later:
    Wednesday Morning 3 a.m. is the album title

    Your mishap happened at...wednesday morning 3 a.m.

    Too funny

  • Angry Jack Straw
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    Skippable songs

    Lovelight. Not my favorite, but I’ll take it over the typical throwing stones>not fade to end the show if for nothing more than a change of pace. I never really got into the 30 minute versions either.

    I can tolerate LLR. I’ll admit I have a soft spot because my inaugural show ended the first set with that right into a China>Rider. It grew on me over the years and I much prefer the latter day, more amped up versions. The early iterations sound like something Engelbert Humperdinck should be singing.

    Definitely skippable are most, OK all, of Vince. Corrina, Victim, Easy Answers, Eternity. . . You see the pattern here.

    I actually liked a lot of Brent songs when I saw them live. Unfortunately, I don’t think they’ve aged well. In fairness I probably haven’t either.

    Passenger and Miracle are two older songs I never enjoyed.

    As others have said, 12/30/1986 was an awesome show. Easily in the top five of all the shows I ever saw. Yes, they did have speakers outside for those who were not fortunate enough to get tickets. I thought it was a West Coast thing, but evidently not.

  • Vguy72
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    I stepped in dog poop this morning at 3 AM....

    ....while I was getting a glass of water.
    My bad. I forgot to let them out before I went to bed.
    Rain is welcome in Cali, but what the southwest REALLY needs is snowpack on the western slopes of the Colorado rockies. For several winters in a row.

  • JimInMD
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    That and Charlie's description of responsible cat ownership cracked me up.

    Thanks for that.

    I, too, reserve the right to Slide Filter whenever necessary.

    I generally do not have problem with the cat, and living in a 120 year old rodent-free Victorian, I have a few things to be thankful for. I keep the litter fresh and clean and they keep the mice (and river rats) away.

    I'm really in the mood for 1/2/1970. What a great and often overlooked release.

  • Gary Farseer
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    So weekend was Friday watching 12/30/86. Saturday was listening to MaryE's first show which I enjoyed immensely, and then later in the evening I watched 12/31/85 which was a national tv broadcast that started at midnight Oakland time and 2am here locally when it was on. I still really enjoy that video, wish they would release that whole show video, "I'd buy that for a dollar." Then Sunday the 1st, I watched "Ticket to New Years," which I also attended that 4 day run. Then Monday, I watched most of "The Closing of Winterland." So lots of Dead watching, and I enjoyed all of it. I also went thru a couple of shows from the MSG box, nice!

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  • Gary Farseer
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    Happy New Year again!!!

    BTK yall be safe now ya hear. This storm is a beast. I know rain is needed but not that much that quick. All in California and the desert areas prepare. It cost so little to have a manual can opener and $20 of canned goods to make it a few days.

    Any way, have to go back and read last couple of days to catch up, but here are some quick answers.

    DeadVikes thanks for the warm return. It is appreciated greatly. Unfortunately, my own health which is pretty good, is clashing with folks health which is not so good. Won't get into details, but I refer to them as my progenitors, as the love has always been cold as ice. Yet now I have to eat up my own time watching after them (although with a lot of others help also). I will try to post more often.

    Question of why 12/30/86 and 7/16/88 are important to me. AJS had the correct answer, because of the guest drummers during drumz. But it was the whom, in who were the guests. On 12/30/86 it was Hamza El-Din (&Jose Lorenzo) and on 7/16/88 it was Baba Olatunji. Both such huge influences bringing depth to Billy and Mickey's poly-rythmic structures during drumz.

    So roughly here was weekend schedule. On 12/30/22 I watched 12/30/86 on the me-tube. Very nice video (probably band created) and soundboard synced up. I had watched once previously but this time it really hit me. That one show, along with 12/27/86 represents one of those closures and new beginnings. Both of those shows have the more heroin induced jams of the late Keith/Donna era shows. I did not get into 12/28/86 as we were shut-out. Maybe someone here, like BTK, can remember when they put the speakers outside for any stragglers and the Shakedown Street crew, which was small. The 12/31/86 sounds like more of the changing sound coming in 1987. Intense upgrades in computers and technology, less in the slow methodical heroin induced jam (I love both). But this time watching 12/30/86 was way more meaningful, to really see and focus on Hamza, and tie him back to Egypt and the tar and talking drum. I do love from "From Egypt with Love" and Ollin Arageed, that rhythm is intense and right up my alley as a former want-to-be drummer. So for me to realize 25 years later that I saw both Hamza and Baba creates a warm feeling all over. I do recommend if you have not seen the 12/30/86 on me tube it is worth a watch, although I think in is labeled 12/31/86, which it is not.

    BTK - thanks for the kind words of friendship and comradery, they do mean much.

    I have several days worth of reading to catch up. I just wanted to make sure I remember to finish previous thoughts, as that is getting harder and harder to do.

    Ok, will post and read to edit. I know I need an editor, kind of like young reporters today whose story telling/reporting is not good.

    G

  • Charlie3
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    Top Reasons to Have a Cat

    You don’t have enough urine or fecal material in your house and you want more.

    You really dig randomly finding cat puke all over the house in a variety of unusual and unexpected places.

    You don’t like to sleep through the night and want something to wake you up every couple of hours, but you don’t want to have a baby.

    You feel like it would be cool to have a greater potential exposure to Toxoplasma gondii, because it sounds like such an interesting parasite, and Toxoplasmosis sounds so fascinating. (See e.g., the wolves of Yellowstone and toxoplasmosis, google it, you’ll find the articles and it is interesting).

    You enjoy finding the back half of mice outside your door on a regular basis. They always eat the head, never the back end, go figure.

    You enjoy watching them slowly destroy a wooden post on your stairway railing by using it as a scratching post. It’s a long-term project for them, but you can see the steady progress, just another way to measure the passage of time.

    Your wife and children left you out of the decision and you’re not quite enough of a cold-hearted bastard to get rid of them. The cats that is, not the family members, none of them have peed all over the house.

    We have two cats. They are indoors and outdoors cats, and in theory they are using the great outdoors as a latrine, but that is not always the case, especially if it is too far below freezing outside. One cat peed on the living room couch on 4th of July a couple of years ago late in the night. Everyone else was asleep so I took the opportunity to take the giant couch outside for disposal. It was a large couch, and I am not large, but I picked up that cat pee contaminated couch and got it down the stairs and through the front door, barely, and outside without waking anyone up. Wife woke up in the morning like, wtf, where’d the couch go? The couch did not come back inside. Now I try to keep the cats in a travel carrier or outside on 4th of July to avoid a repeat.

    Edit: Don't get me wrong, I like the cats, but they don't make it easy sometimes.

  • Cousins Of The…
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    Songs I skip: Corrina, Easy Answers, Looks Like Rain(though sometimes I do fast fwd to Jerry's solo), Easy To Love You.
    I also apply a Slide Filter whenever necessary.

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....I would pay a pretty penny to see them if they ever reunited. And you can take that to the bank.
Zenatta Mondatta was one of the first records I ever bought with my own money because I liked the cover.
The music is good too.

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Really sad news, for me. He apparently died two days ago. He may not be well known in the States-he was the guitarist for Dr Feelgood when I first saw him - supporting Hawkwind in 1974. No hippy baggage here though-mean and tough r&b that carried on from 1964 as though the intervening years hadn't happened. A clean cut, razor sharp telecaster and the some of the best stage movements by any guitarist I have ever seen. Possibly the best live rock and roll band in England in the mid 70's .

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The last Viola Lee Blues was played on 10/31/70 at Stony Brook N.Y. The first version was played on 2/23/66, it was a song that really improved with age. The Dead played alot of great versions, but 5/2/70 is pretty hard to top. The Dead played it 30 times. I wish they would have brought it back when Brent was in the band.

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68 and still playing, doesn't take Grateful Dead tune requests anymore, he has plenty of his own music, but he may weave a few bars of "Loser" or "Whart Rat" into a nice jam. Always thought he was a great addition to the band. Noticed Vguy mentioned the Police, great band and always put on a great show. Saw them several times, once at Disney World rising up out of the floor of the stage at the Tomorrowland pavilion before Andy Summers joined the band and then the best time I witnessed the greatest light show outside of a dead or pink floyd show, Ghosts in the Machine tour. Stewart Copeland (AKA Clark Kent) is on tour now and if you get the opportunity to catch him live, enjoy, he plays a phenomenal kit. Yes MaryE is the best.

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to musicians who played with the GD they would have "the curse" thereafter...at least one Deadhead at their future shows making a Deadhead of themselves.

Or something like that

I feel like Julie Andrews today because

"Iiii am Coooviiid neeeegatiiiive!"

Hooray for my 59 year old a$$!!!

Happy Birthday Bruce the Bruce!!!

Viola Lee Blues
5 2 70 indeed
11/10/67

Love that

Dr Feelgood was a great group, full of energy. If you don’t remember Wilko Johnson from there perhaps you saw him as the executioner who (Spoiler Alert) removed Ned Stark’s head in ‘Game of Thrones’. RIP.

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Happy Thanksgiving to all you good folks.

The Last Waltz will be playing throughout the day.

Enjoy.

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Thanks BTK, one of my most fave primal tunes... there's some snippets of them rehearsing VLB, then a nearly 16 minute run through available for streaming on the archive: Grateful Dead Live at The Questing Beast on 1966-02-05. Fascinating historical stuff. Instead of Macy's, will be viewing the live footage/film of Jimi at Royal Albert Hall, February 24,1969.

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Happy Thanksgiving to all of the rabble rousers in the comments. I say that with genuine with appreciation and respect. These comments have continued to be a great place to come to almost daily for me. If the fates would ever allow a meet up of sorts, I think it would be a wonderful thing. Regardless, the world continues to be crazy place, so I hope all are well.

A quick comment on Viola Lee Blues: This is one of those tunes that like Mason's Children, Mountains of the Moon, New Potato Caboose, and the Eleven had short stints in the band's rotation, which is a shame. I wish these songs would have been revived before Jerry died. Thankfully, and for what it is worth, since the Other Ones in 1998 these songs have had second life. This is one of the reasons why I appreciate the post Jerry bands because they put these tunes along with St. Stephen and some others back into the rotation.

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Adopted two boy cats yesterday. It may be awhile before I can post an icon like Mr. Ones but that image is pretty close. One is still kind of scared to be in a new place so he's a bit camera shy. They were buds at the shelter in Ridgway so they will give each other comfort and companionship. Phoebe would have liked them I think. She liked all the boys and chased some too. Wishing you all comfort and companionship today too.
30 Days-o-Dead keeping me too busy to do shows this week but all the research in DeadbaseX had me reading some of Dick Latvala's finest recommendations so DaP23 from 1-22-78 and the RT Vol.1 No. 4 From Egypt With Love 10-21,22-78 are on deck.
Cheers

.... at an average of 75 mph, and never left the state of Nevada.
Take that for what you will.
Some may call it boring. I'm just bobbing my head.
Drove to see my girl/wife.

The highlight of the drive was 11/23/73 El Paso. Great show, only my second listen, the last probably ten years ago.

As for Viola Lee Blues, what a swirling, churning whirling whimsical living piece of performance art. Time slows up and speeds down in this song. How do they do it and why did they stop? An unsolvable riddle perhaps. What a great song and one of my primal favorites.

Got all the way to where I was going, my 83-year-old dad came down with covid so our together holiday plans were scrapped, and we had to break down into smaller tribes. Dad's immunocompromised, has a rare slow growth cancer.. so there's more than a touch of concern. Oh well, all we can do is keep on keeping on.

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Anyone have any ideas as to why Dave's Picks aren't being re-issued by Real Gone? I have filled a few gaps in my Road Trips series via Real Gone ... I inquired as to why they don't have Dave's, but do have a slew of Dick's Picks & Road Trips. They said they'd love to reissue, implying that it's not them, it's the GD (corp?) ..... I'd certainly be happy if it came to be! Perhaps Dave could shed some light on this ??

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Dave's Picks are not going to be re-released by real gone because they are a limited-edition series. Road Trips and Dicks Picks were not marketed as such, so they can print more copies if they choose.

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Woke up at 7:45 and realized it was RSD. Record stores are 20 miles from here. Jumped up and dashed there. No traffic all the way there. Store was opened already and no lines!!! Parked right in front and grabbed the two I wanted.
JGB - Hampton, 11/91 and Europe 72 release of 4/7/72. Back in car and home by 915 and a cup of joe.

Still in shock at how smooth it all went!

Hope everyone had a nice bird.

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That's two fall '73 shows! That's not too bad at all.

Jim sorry to hear about your dad I hope he makes a full an speedy recovery. Hang in there brother!

Yesterday, in order played:

Last Waltz
Jimi Hendrix - Electric Church
Long Strange Trip

All on BluRay.
Sat through LST, the other 2 were playing while I was doing stuff on the computer and cooking.

Is there more video for Last Waltz that didn’t make the movie?
Would be nice if all the video that exists were released.
The Last Waltz DVD that came out in the late 90’s/early 00’s (I borrowed someone’s to watch back then) had bonus filler of a jam with all the musicians that was recorded until they ran out of film. That jam is not included on the BluRay that I have.

Well done Dennis, early bird gets the worm.
I haven’t left my house, I’m more of a believer in “second mouse gets the cheese”.
I’ll wait and see what they cost in a few months.

Ice Cream - Rhino released a limited edition (2,500 copies) Last Waltz a few years ago - the 40th Special Edition - which I bought, with the massive Scorsese script included, as well as an extra Blu Ray of interviews, but I cannot remember if it had extra music footage. I know guys like Ron Wood and Stills etc hung around for jams, and I know I have those on one of the audio releases, but I’ll have to pull this edition out to revisit the Blu Rays.

Jim - Best wishes for good health for your Dad.

Dennis - Nice job on getting Garcia Hampton. If memory serves me right, Bruce sat in with the band on that one. Coincidentally, I was paying GarciaLive 19 this morning while doing some paperwork, and the version of Deal on this release is probably the most muscular one I’ve ever heard. On fire. Something I always wished Jerry would do a bit more of - such a talented guitarist, I personally wouldn’t have minded if he turned it up to 11 once in a while. He was a rock and roller, at heart.

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....from Vegas to Elko. I've driven that route so many times I could do it with my eyes closed. Spun GD 11.17.73 Pauley and Phish 11.25.94 Chicago. Had an hour to spare, so I threw in some Oingo Boingo at the end.
#bringbackcdplayersincars.
P.s. it's cold up here.

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Finally arrived. Mystery solved. Thank you Marye for reaching out to me.
I look forward to your next Marye Drew Mystery, “Marye Drew & The Hidden DaP 45 In The Staircase”

....that was a good one lol.
Shes the mother hen to all us bozos.
I bet she sits back and reads some of these conversations and just shakes her head and laughs.
I've never had to call on her, but good to know I have a savior if needed.

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Doesn't seem to matter how, or under what tab like "shows", I input a date I get the same mixed media results. Envelopes, photos, and god knows what-all. Then you may get a date near what you asked for or maybe the same year mostly but completely random for 55 pages. Sometimes in a group of 1970 shows they'll throw in some completely different years decades apart. Is there a way to parse with commas, dashes or something?
And while I'm asking what other sources do you folks use for setlists that don't exist in my trusty old Deadbase?
30 Days is killing me!
Thanks and cheers

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Bam! Took me right there.
And I'm not the only one today it seems.
Mystery solved and no surprise, Deadbase is incomplete.
Thanks again and cheers

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What Deadbase version are you using?

Deadbase 50 is the most up to date version for set lists.

I have IX, XI, and 50 (which includes a copy of XI).
I used IX for tape trading, and it helped immensely back then, but it’s missing or has inaccurate set lists for some of the early years.

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I have X and 50. I use ten to write in and document stuff, 50 only gets taken off the shelf to check on things that are wrong in ten, or for things that aren’t in ten I.e., solo bands and post Jerry stuff.
When searching I don’t go to archive, I just type in a date and usually an archive thing that rhymes with stink is one of the responses?

So this time of year has often been a mixed blessing, and this year the worlds been conspiring to make it extra interesting, which has put me in a bit of a funk lately. But fortunately, sometimes we get shown the light…
Long short, I don’t care what anyone says Jeff Smith is awright! A kind and righteous dude to be sure!
Out of nowhere left field, he basically miracled me with the equivalent of a shaft of glorious light, that may not have completely shook me blues, but has helped me up out of the mire, to keep on keeping on, like a bird that flew…
I only wish the gd postal service was as good as him, so the circle will be unbroken.
Thanks cannot describe…

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I'm discovering its limitations the more I do 30 Days.
Joey's tip will help a lot I think.
Still no clue how to effectively use The Archive for research.
But it is easy enough to listen on.
I have not ever downloaded off it yet. Don't have the system to utilize them.
Thanks to all and keep those cards and letters coming.
Do T-Day leftovers have an expiration date?
Cheers

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50 is available as a free download PDF, just gotta poke around.

To navigate directly to The Dead's music in archive, this works for me:
GDYEAR-MN-DT

So letters GD, no space, the four digit year, dash, two digits for month, dash, two digits for date. This works from search engines in browsers for me, no need to go to archive first, just that much will bring the archive listing up to one click.

There's a local story here, author John Scott first saw the Dead as a student when they played at Dartmouth in 1978, soon after he began developing early Deadbase while still an undergraduate. He moved down the road to Cornish, NH after graduation, home of another famous author, J.D. Salinger. Also home to artists Maxfield Parrish and Augustus Saint-Gaudens. The longest covered bridge in the world (now second) ran between Cornish NH and Windsor, VT across the Connecticut River. And of course, our very own Doc11 was at Dartmouth too. Mr. PC must be off somewhere with Don Juan's Reckless Daughter.

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Today were cooking salmon and rib eye steaks. Were drinking Sierra Nevada Pale Ale. First music up, T Bone Walker The Complete Recordings 1940 - 1954 Mosaic Records. T Bone Walker influenced everybody who's anybody, check him.out. Beautiful day here in the Bay Area, rain is comming, we need it.

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Setlists.net makes for easy searching during 30 days of dead too. Type each song you are looking for in the songs lookup box and it gives you the shows they both appeared in.

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Mornin', rockers!!

The debate of 11/16/70 vs 11/23/70 has been around as long as those tapes have circulated. Which means, since the dawn of time. Just one man's opinion, but the best evidence indicates that the true date is November 16, at the Fillmore East. For me, the best indicator may be Bill Grahm's intro before Casey Jones. Pretty unlikely he would do intros at a competitor's venue. In addition, Traffic tour information indicates they were scheduled to be in Buffalo on the evening of November 23, but they were in New York City for scheduled shows at the Fillmore on the 18th and 19th, with the 16th being an "open date".

It does include one of the absolutely greatest versions of Hard To Handle ever, with some otherwordly playing by Bob Weir.

Every journey into the past is complicated by delusions, false memories, false namings of real events.....

Up too early, not enough coffee, time to walk dogs........

Rock on,

Doc
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Sometimes i just poke around herbibot for the hell of it, its amazing to think a deadhead made that!

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Got a little package in the mail yesterday,,, it was soft and from "bob dylan. com". I was "huh",, opened it up and it was a red rain poncho with bob dylan printed on the back.?

Anyone else get one? I assume it came because of the latest bootleg.

It was one of those garbarge bag style you'd buy at a venue if it started raining.

No idea why I got one.

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For the Hard Rain reissue?
Too early for that. Wasn't that a '75 tour?
Just a wild guess.
Cheers

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Jimi's music always seems fresh to me, in that it doesn't seem to age. In the sense that no one has ever come close and it remains cutting edge. Sure, the early hits can seem like a throwback (Purple, Foxey, Fire), but 80% of his recorded legacy -- an astounding legacy for 4-5 years of tapes running -- is still better than most music of the past 50 years. I got into it in summer '69 and, 53 years later, I'm blasting LA Forum April '69.

I feel the same way about the Beatles' songs and those by The Band, and the best of the songs and jamming by the GD and ABB.

Sure, I still go to shows, particularly local bars, sometimes theaters and, of course, Red Rocks (though I'm down to interest in like one band per summer, musically and financially). Huge dichotomy between listening to recorded music in the comfort of home and raging at The Rocks, as we all know. But with several hundred CDs of Jimi I think I'll make it to spring.

So, hats off to Jimi's birth. I wish that everyone would celebrate the dearly departed by birthday and not by death day, though the latter are difficult to forget.

On a wholly different note, wishing JimMD's dad a full recovery.

Paxlovid is wonderful stuff. As far as we can tell, dad is on the rebound and almost back to his crotchety old self, back to yelling at hippies to get off his grass and prancing around like a cracker version of Fred Sanford. My biggest complaint now is that I did not get my expected amount of Thanksgiving leftovers. First world problems I guess....

Thanks for the concern folks..

I could be wrong.. but if my sleuthing skills are intact, those folks at 30 days of the dead are messing with us. Putting out crisp and clean soundboard nugget of a tape that seems to currently only circulate as an audience.

It must mean there are new reels floating around Burbank that have yet to be released and are not circulating. There is only one solution to this quandry.. we must storm the vault and free the reels. Who's with me?

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JM, glad your pops is on the rebound!
Quote of the week “prancing around like a cracker version of Fred Sanford”
Proper!

Long live Jimi!

This Oscar Peterson Xmass CD we recently acquired is Dope!

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especially if we get to use your time machine to find out where the keys are stashed. Do believe there's stuff in the vault that's never been out. Happy Birthday Jimi. Not that I watch much football, but at the end of the first quarter of the Bucs & Browns game today, the fade music was Jimi's version of All Along The Watchtower. Coincidence? Synchronicity?? Are You Experienced was a mind blowing thing for fifteen year old me summer 1967 heard on a massive pair of Altec Lansing speakers.

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And all those who share today as their birthday. Like me, for instance.

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