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  • topchinacat
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    I managed to get to all the Ventura shows, being only a couple hours north of LA .... always a fun time on the beach ... great setting, good music... even managed a couple of decent photos of Uncle Jerry & the Boys and Bill Graham (backstage). But by far and away, the 7/13/84 (Dark Star returns!) show is one of the stand out moments of all the 50+ shows I saw in the early/mid 80's. When Phil comes out to the mic after the show and says ".... something special, one time only" (not an exact quote), the place went ape-shot! AND it was a tight, at pace, driving 15 minutes or so that no one wanted to end. Friday 13th at the Greek... how could there ever be a better Dead experience!!!

  • proudfoot
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    Bound to cover just a little more ground

    4 20 69

    Wow. Interesting twist on the setlist.

  • billy the kiddd
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    7/18/82 Ventura

    Crazy Fingers returns. Ventura, fun times!

  • proudfoot
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    clarification

    7/18/82 happened before we met
    7/13/84 is in keeping with the GD theme

    Meeting her and then the birthing as a bundle of family related stuff

    I mean...7/18/82 and 7/13/84 were MINDBLOWING and LIFE CHANGING.

    I figured I would meet the right young maiden at some point.

    I'll be quiet now.

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  • Gratefulhan
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    Chop ups should be complete but fragments are neat…

    I'm definitely a complete show kind of head like many of you. And I think there are staples we could all agree upon that should be released in their entirety: Fillmore East February 1970, Fillmore East April 1971, and Winterland October 1974 are easy examples to come up with. Now with the Dicks Picks series, Mr. Latvala from what I have read was a little particular about shows. It's somewhat not surprising but reading through the often shared “Grateful Dead Miscellany” , Dick goes into his thoughts on many shows. This includes what he thinks may be released in the future. Some of his commentary does talk about shows that won't be necessarily released in their entirety based upon what he felt was the quality of the music (mostly) and available rels at that time. Here is a quote from him from that site about the 11/30/73, 12/1/73, 12/2/73 shows:

    “As for the run at Boston at the end of the month and the beginning of December, well I would have to say that it is just that, "a run of shows". What I mean here is that I see using these 3 nights as a 3-4 cd release of the "best of a run" kind of deal. Not one of the 3 stands out on it's own, but in combo, they will deliver some of the absolutely finest playing of the year!!!”

    That gives a little insight into maybe why some shows, at least when Dick was in charge, only got released in part or in fragments. I do think it is important to note that Dave L still puts out shows that Dick L held in high regard too.

    For the current times, I think we have a much fuller vault to work with the returned Betty Reels. We have definitely seen the fruits of that return in the form of many shows being released in their entirety. However, I guess there are still some shows that are incomplete or, as the old Dick’s Picks caveat used to read, where the sound was affected by “the ravages of time”. For the 2023 DaP bonus disc, the situation is as per the email:

    “There are two shows in September 1972 for which there are not complete recordings, either because of missing reels, or because of technical issues. The 2023 subscribers' Bonus Disc features the best material that sounded great from these two shows”

    It is hard to know exactly what is and is not affected by technical issues. Then of course what material was not affected but left off the bonus disc. Knowing how great Dave L has treated us , he often finds a way to get this missing material out if he can. Maybe it will be filler on another release or it will come out in a future 30 Days of Dead (if it hasn't already).

    With all of that, I often wonder if we would ever get complete releases of those shows that were chopped-up from many years ago. That is assuming that everything is contained in the vault and of releasable sound quality. I would certainly welcome it but at the same time if we're just stuck with chopped-up shows or fragments I think I can be OK with that. For me, I know looking towards the future, I'm really hoping that the vault gets mined for the other high profile shows that haven't been given the official release. I'm not knowledgeable enough to speak on the time it takes to put all these together other than I know we get quarterly releases of the DaP series, often an anniversary edition re-release, an LP for record store day, and one big box set per year. So, I guess the question begs, is there enough time and resources for Dave L and the crew to return to some of these old shows and put them out in their entirety without sacrificing the regular schedule of releases?

  • 1stshow70878
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    Sprogs

    A term for babies, 1940s military slang term.
    From obsolete mediaeval or pre-mediaeval English word "sprag",
    for a "lively young man". I like to keep up with Daverock and also with the continentals. Makes me feel smarter to speak the King's english.
    Cheers

  • Mr. Ones
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    Does your wife know she's 3rd on the list??
    I just had to chuckle, and yes, my wife knows she barely even MAKES the list!! Merry Christmas to All, and a Happy Hanukkah as well.

  • Chuck
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    Hendrixfreak yes you are right about Bobby saying is there a doctor in the house at Englishtown. At Watkins Glen there was a young girl to our left about 25 feet and was ready to pop. It was raining and we saw her friends helping her to get up and leave...later we heard she gave birth. not sure if it was on the ground or in an Ambulance. and Savoy Brown I remember seeing them at the Filmore East right before Christmas with I think Poco, If I rememer Paul Cotton just replaced Jim Messina in Poco. At Penn State Poco was a big hit in all the Dorms with their music blasting out the windows. All these memories are making me feel old but Happy

  • daverock
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    No sprogs born at Watkins Glen ?

    You would have thought there would have been, in a crowd that size in 1973.

    Chalk me up for fragments too. You only have to look at the ones that have already come out - especially the incomplete shows in Dicks Picks and Road Trips - to see how well they can work.

  • hendrixfreak
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    No worries

    Here's a confession: I can't keep this forum straight! I've got 1st show and proudfoot mixed up and, hey, where did I put that pipe?

    Kim Simmonds, yeah! Flying V, A Hard Way to Go, A Step Further -- man, got into Savoy Brown in about 1970 and a couple years ago I bought a couple of their early albums on 2 LPs on one CD production. Good to have just plain hard rockin'!

    Hey Chuck, didn't Weir announce from the stage that they needed to get her out of the crowd and "is there a doctor in the house?" At the Glen I didn't hear anything about babies appearing, but I do recall the sky diver, who made a long descent, then I believe triggered a flare that burned him to death as he descended just outside the bounds of the crowd. Horrible! But 50 years on, is there a joke in there somewhere? I guess he was burning to see the Dead... I mean, that guy was smokin'....(sorry!!)

    Well, April 2023 should be pretty tasty: spring (of sorts here) and 4-5 hrs of fall '72 GD and the upside is, some tracks from my first show. Make that glass half-full, now that I'm done with the one-man pity party!

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....I would pay a pretty penny to see them if they ever reunited. And you can take that to the bank.
Zenatta Mondatta was one of the first records I ever bought with my own money because I liked the cover.
The music is good too.

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Really sad news, for me. He apparently died two days ago. He may not be well known in the States-he was the guitarist for Dr Feelgood when I first saw him - supporting Hawkwind in 1974. No hippy baggage here though-mean and tough r&b that carried on from 1964 as though the intervening years hadn't happened. A clean cut, razor sharp telecaster and the some of the best stage movements by any guitarist I have ever seen. Possibly the best live rock and roll band in England in the mid 70's .

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The last Viola Lee Blues was played on 10/31/70 at Stony Brook N.Y. The first version was played on 2/23/66, it was a song that really improved with age. The Dead played alot of great versions, but 5/2/70 is pretty hard to top. The Dead played it 30 times. I wish they would have brought it back when Brent was in the band.

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68 and still playing, doesn't take Grateful Dead tune requests anymore, he has plenty of his own music, but he may weave a few bars of "Loser" or "Whart Rat" into a nice jam. Always thought he was a great addition to the band. Noticed Vguy mentioned the Police, great band and always put on a great show. Saw them several times, once at Disney World rising up out of the floor of the stage at the Tomorrowland pavilion before Andy Summers joined the band and then the best time I witnessed the greatest light show outside of a dead or pink floyd show, Ghosts in the Machine tour. Stewart Copeland (AKA Clark Kent) is on tour now and if you get the opportunity to catch him live, enjoy, he plays a phenomenal kit. Yes MaryE is the best.

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to musicians who played with the GD they would have "the curse" thereafter...at least one Deadhead at their future shows making a Deadhead of themselves.

Or something like that

I feel like Julie Andrews today because

"Iiii am Coooviiid neeeegatiiiive!"

Hooray for my 59 year old a$$!!!

Happy Birthday Bruce the Bruce!!!

Viola Lee Blues
5 2 70 indeed
11/10/67

Love that

Dr Feelgood was a great group, full of energy. If you don’t remember Wilko Johnson from there perhaps you saw him as the executioner who (Spoiler Alert) removed Ned Stark’s head in ‘Game of Thrones’. RIP.

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Happy Thanksgiving to all you good folks.

The Last Waltz will be playing throughout the day.

Enjoy.

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Thanks BTK, one of my most fave primal tunes... there's some snippets of them rehearsing VLB, then a nearly 16 minute run through available for streaming on the archive: Grateful Dead Live at The Questing Beast on 1966-02-05. Fascinating historical stuff. Instead of Macy's, will be viewing the live footage/film of Jimi at Royal Albert Hall, February 24,1969.

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Happy Thanksgiving to all of the rabble rousers in the comments. I say that with genuine with appreciation and respect. These comments have continued to be a great place to come to almost daily for me. If the fates would ever allow a meet up of sorts, I think it would be a wonderful thing. Regardless, the world continues to be crazy place, so I hope all are well.

A quick comment on Viola Lee Blues: This is one of those tunes that like Mason's Children, Mountains of the Moon, New Potato Caboose, and the Eleven had short stints in the band's rotation, which is a shame. I wish these songs would have been revived before Jerry died. Thankfully, and for what it is worth, since the Other Ones in 1998 these songs have had second life. This is one of the reasons why I appreciate the post Jerry bands because they put these tunes along with St. Stephen and some others back into the rotation.

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Adopted two boy cats yesterday. It may be awhile before I can post an icon like Mr. Ones but that image is pretty close. One is still kind of scared to be in a new place so he's a bit camera shy. They were buds at the shelter in Ridgway so they will give each other comfort and companionship. Phoebe would have liked them I think. She liked all the boys and chased some too. Wishing you all comfort and companionship today too.
30 Days-o-Dead keeping me too busy to do shows this week but all the research in DeadbaseX had me reading some of Dick Latvala's finest recommendations so DaP23 from 1-22-78 and the RT Vol.1 No. 4 From Egypt With Love 10-21,22-78 are on deck.
Cheers

.... at an average of 75 mph, and never left the state of Nevada.
Take that for what you will.
Some may call it boring. I'm just bobbing my head.
Drove to see my girl/wife.

The highlight of the drive was 11/23/73 El Paso. Great show, only my second listen, the last probably ten years ago.

As for Viola Lee Blues, what a swirling, churning whirling whimsical living piece of performance art. Time slows up and speeds down in this song. How do they do it and why did they stop? An unsolvable riddle perhaps. What a great song and one of my primal favorites.

Got all the way to where I was going, my 83-year-old dad came down with covid so our together holiday plans were scrapped, and we had to break down into smaller tribes. Dad's immunocompromised, has a rare slow growth cancer.. so there's more than a touch of concern. Oh well, all we can do is keep on keeping on.

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Anyone have any ideas as to why Dave's Picks aren't being re-issued by Real Gone? I have filled a few gaps in my Road Trips series via Real Gone ... I inquired as to why they don't have Dave's, but do have a slew of Dick's Picks & Road Trips. They said they'd love to reissue, implying that it's not them, it's the GD (corp?) ..... I'd certainly be happy if it came to be! Perhaps Dave could shed some light on this ??

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Dave's Picks are not going to be re-released by real gone because they are a limited-edition series. Road Trips and Dicks Picks were not marketed as such, so they can print more copies if they choose.

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Woke up at 7:45 and realized it was RSD. Record stores are 20 miles from here. Jumped up and dashed there. No traffic all the way there. Store was opened already and no lines!!! Parked right in front and grabbed the two I wanted.
JGB - Hampton, 11/91 and Europe 72 release of 4/7/72. Back in car and home by 915 and a cup of joe.

Still in shock at how smooth it all went!

Hope everyone had a nice bird.

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That's two fall '73 shows! That's not too bad at all.

Jim sorry to hear about your dad I hope he makes a full an speedy recovery. Hang in there brother!

Yesterday, in order played:

Last Waltz
Jimi Hendrix - Electric Church
Long Strange Trip

All on BluRay.
Sat through LST, the other 2 were playing while I was doing stuff on the computer and cooking.

Is there more video for Last Waltz that didn’t make the movie?
Would be nice if all the video that exists were released.
The Last Waltz DVD that came out in the late 90’s/early 00’s (I borrowed someone’s to watch back then) had bonus filler of a jam with all the musicians that was recorded until they ran out of film. That jam is not included on the BluRay that I have.

Well done Dennis, early bird gets the worm.
I haven’t left my house, I’m more of a believer in “second mouse gets the cheese”.
I’ll wait and see what they cost in a few months.

Ice Cream - Rhino released a limited edition (2,500 copies) Last Waltz a few years ago - the 40th Special Edition - which I bought, with the massive Scorsese script included, as well as an extra Blu Ray of interviews, but I cannot remember if it had extra music footage. I know guys like Ron Wood and Stills etc hung around for jams, and I know I have those on one of the audio releases, but I’ll have to pull this edition out to revisit the Blu Rays.

Jim - Best wishes for good health for your Dad.

Dennis - Nice job on getting Garcia Hampton. If memory serves me right, Bruce sat in with the band on that one. Coincidentally, I was paying GarciaLive 19 this morning while doing some paperwork, and the version of Deal on this release is probably the most muscular one I’ve ever heard. On fire. Something I always wished Jerry would do a bit more of - such a talented guitarist, I personally wouldn’t have minded if he turned it up to 11 once in a while. He was a rock and roller, at heart.

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....from Vegas to Elko. I've driven that route so many times I could do it with my eyes closed. Spun GD 11.17.73 Pauley and Phish 11.25.94 Chicago. Had an hour to spare, so I threw in some Oingo Boingo at the end.
#bringbackcdplayersincars.
P.s. it's cold up here.

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Finally arrived. Mystery solved. Thank you Marye for reaching out to me.
I look forward to your next Marye Drew Mystery, “Marye Drew & The Hidden DaP 45 In The Staircase”

....that was a good one lol.
Shes the mother hen to all us bozos.
I bet she sits back and reads some of these conversations and just shakes her head and laughs.
I've never had to call on her, but good to know I have a savior if needed.

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Doesn't seem to matter how, or under what tab like "shows", I input a date I get the same mixed media results. Envelopes, photos, and god knows what-all. Then you may get a date near what you asked for or maybe the same year mostly but completely random for 55 pages. Sometimes in a group of 1970 shows they'll throw in some completely different years decades apart. Is there a way to parse with commas, dashes or something?
And while I'm asking what other sources do you folks use for setlists that don't exist in my trusty old Deadbase?
30 Days is killing me!
Thanks and cheers

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Bam! Took me right there.
And I'm not the only one today it seems.
Mystery solved and no surprise, Deadbase is incomplete.
Thanks again and cheers

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What Deadbase version are you using?

Deadbase 50 is the most up to date version for set lists.

I have IX, XI, and 50 (which includes a copy of XI).
I used IX for tape trading, and it helped immensely back then, but it’s missing or has inaccurate set lists for some of the early years.

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I have X and 50. I use ten to write in and document stuff, 50 only gets taken off the shelf to check on things that are wrong in ten, or for things that aren’t in ten I.e., solo bands and post Jerry stuff.
When searching I don’t go to archive, I just type in a date and usually an archive thing that rhymes with stink is one of the responses?

So this time of year has often been a mixed blessing, and this year the worlds been conspiring to make it extra interesting, which has put me in a bit of a funk lately. But fortunately, sometimes we get shown the light…
Long short, I don’t care what anyone says Jeff Smith is awright! A kind and righteous dude to be sure!
Out of nowhere left field, he basically miracled me with the equivalent of a shaft of glorious light, that may not have completely shook me blues, but has helped me up out of the mire, to keep on keeping on, like a bird that flew…
I only wish the gd postal service was as good as him, so the circle will be unbroken.
Thanks cannot describe…

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I'm discovering its limitations the more I do 30 Days.
Joey's tip will help a lot I think.
Still no clue how to effectively use The Archive for research.
But it is easy enough to listen on.
I have not ever downloaded off it yet. Don't have the system to utilize them.
Thanks to all and keep those cards and letters coming.
Do T-Day leftovers have an expiration date?
Cheers

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50 is available as a free download PDF, just gotta poke around.

To navigate directly to The Dead's music in archive, this works for me:
GDYEAR-MN-DT

So letters GD, no space, the four digit year, dash, two digits for month, dash, two digits for date. This works from search engines in browsers for me, no need to go to archive first, just that much will bring the archive listing up to one click.

There's a local story here, author John Scott first saw the Dead as a student when they played at Dartmouth in 1978, soon after he began developing early Deadbase while still an undergraduate. He moved down the road to Cornish, NH after graduation, home of another famous author, J.D. Salinger. Also home to artists Maxfield Parrish and Augustus Saint-Gaudens. The longest covered bridge in the world (now second) ran between Cornish NH and Windsor, VT across the Connecticut River. And of course, our very own Doc11 was at Dartmouth too. Mr. PC must be off somewhere with Don Juan's Reckless Daughter.

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Today were cooking salmon and rib eye steaks. Were drinking Sierra Nevada Pale Ale. First music up, T Bone Walker The Complete Recordings 1940 - 1954 Mosaic Records. T Bone Walker influenced everybody who's anybody, check him.out. Beautiful day here in the Bay Area, rain is comming, we need it.

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Setlists.net makes for easy searching during 30 days of dead too. Type each song you are looking for in the songs lookup box and it gives you the shows they both appeared in.

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Mornin', rockers!!

The debate of 11/16/70 vs 11/23/70 has been around as long as those tapes have circulated. Which means, since the dawn of time. Just one man's opinion, but the best evidence indicates that the true date is November 16, at the Fillmore East. For me, the best indicator may be Bill Grahm's intro before Casey Jones. Pretty unlikely he would do intros at a competitor's venue. In addition, Traffic tour information indicates they were scheduled to be in Buffalo on the evening of November 23, but they were in New York City for scheduled shows at the Fillmore on the 18th and 19th, with the 16th being an "open date".

It does include one of the absolutely greatest versions of Hard To Handle ever, with some otherwordly playing by Bob Weir.

Every journey into the past is complicated by delusions, false memories, false namings of real events.....

Up too early, not enough coffee, time to walk dogs........

Rock on,

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Sometimes i just poke around herbibot for the hell of it, its amazing to think a deadhead made that!

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Got a little package in the mail yesterday,,, it was soft and from "bob dylan. com". I was "huh",, opened it up and it was a red rain poncho with bob dylan printed on the back.?

Anyone else get one? I assume it came because of the latest bootleg.

It was one of those garbarge bag style you'd buy at a venue if it started raining.

No idea why I got one.

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For the Hard Rain reissue?
Too early for that. Wasn't that a '75 tour?
Just a wild guess.
Cheers

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Jimi's music always seems fresh to me, in that it doesn't seem to age. In the sense that no one has ever come close and it remains cutting edge. Sure, the early hits can seem like a throwback (Purple, Foxey, Fire), but 80% of his recorded legacy -- an astounding legacy for 4-5 years of tapes running -- is still better than most music of the past 50 years. I got into it in summer '69 and, 53 years later, I'm blasting LA Forum April '69.

I feel the same way about the Beatles' songs and those by The Band, and the best of the songs and jamming by the GD and ABB.

Sure, I still go to shows, particularly local bars, sometimes theaters and, of course, Red Rocks (though I'm down to interest in like one band per summer, musically and financially). Huge dichotomy between listening to recorded music in the comfort of home and raging at The Rocks, as we all know. But with several hundred CDs of Jimi I think I'll make it to spring.

So, hats off to Jimi's birth. I wish that everyone would celebrate the dearly departed by birthday and not by death day, though the latter are difficult to forget.

On a wholly different note, wishing JimMD's dad a full recovery.

Paxlovid is wonderful stuff. As far as we can tell, dad is on the rebound and almost back to his crotchety old self, back to yelling at hippies to get off his grass and prancing around like a cracker version of Fred Sanford. My biggest complaint now is that I did not get my expected amount of Thanksgiving leftovers. First world problems I guess....

Thanks for the concern folks..

I could be wrong.. but if my sleuthing skills are intact, those folks at 30 days of the dead are messing with us. Putting out crisp and clean soundboard nugget of a tape that seems to currently only circulate as an audience.

It must mean there are new reels floating around Burbank that have yet to be released and are not circulating. There is only one solution to this quandry.. we must storm the vault and free the reels. Who's with me?

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JM, glad your pops is on the rebound!
Quote of the week “prancing around like a cracker version of Fred Sanford”
Proper!

Long live Jimi!

This Oscar Peterson Xmass CD we recently acquired is Dope!

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especially if we get to use your time machine to find out where the keys are stashed. Do believe there's stuff in the vault that's never been out. Happy Birthday Jimi. Not that I watch much football, but at the end of the first quarter of the Bucs & Browns game today, the fade music was Jimi's version of All Along The Watchtower. Coincidence? Synchronicity?? Are You Experienced was a mind blowing thing for fifteen year old me summer 1967 heard on a massive pair of Altec Lansing speakers.

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And all those who share today as their birthday. Like me, for instance.

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