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  • topchinacat
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    I managed to get to all the Ventura shows, being only a couple hours north of LA .... always a fun time on the beach ... great setting, good music... even managed a couple of decent photos of Uncle Jerry & the Boys and Bill Graham (backstage). But by far and away, the 7/13/84 (Dark Star returns!) show is one of the stand out moments of all the 50+ shows I saw in the early/mid 80's. When Phil comes out to the mic after the show and says ".... something special, one time only" (not an exact quote), the place went ape-shot! AND it was a tight, at pace, driving 15 minutes or so that no one wanted to end. Friday 13th at the Greek... how could there ever be a better Dead experience!!!

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    Wow. Interesting twist on the setlist.

  • billy the kiddd
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    Crazy Fingers returns. Ventura, fun times!

  • proudfoot
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    clarification

    7/18/82 happened before we met
    7/13/84 is in keeping with the GD theme

    Meeting her and then the birthing as a bundle of family related stuff

    I mean...7/18/82 and 7/13/84 were MINDBLOWING and LIFE CHANGING.

    I figured I would meet the right young maiden at some point.

    I'll be quiet now.

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    LLLLLYYYYY HATE reCAPTCHA. There IS time to hate on that phenomenon.

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    Chop ups should be complete but fragments are neat…

    I'm definitely a complete show kind of head like many of you. And I think there are staples we could all agree upon that should be released in their entirety: Fillmore East February 1970, Fillmore East April 1971, and Winterland October 1974 are easy examples to come up with. Now with the Dicks Picks series, Mr. Latvala from what I have read was a little particular about shows. It's somewhat not surprising but reading through the often shared “Grateful Dead Miscellany” , Dick goes into his thoughts on many shows. This includes what he thinks may be released in the future. Some of his commentary does talk about shows that won't be necessarily released in their entirety based upon what he felt was the quality of the music (mostly) and available rels at that time. Here is a quote from him from that site about the 11/30/73, 12/1/73, 12/2/73 shows:

    “As for the run at Boston at the end of the month and the beginning of December, well I would have to say that it is just that, "a run of shows". What I mean here is that I see using these 3 nights as a 3-4 cd release of the "best of a run" kind of deal. Not one of the 3 stands out on it's own, but in combo, they will deliver some of the absolutely finest playing of the year!!!”

    That gives a little insight into maybe why some shows, at least when Dick was in charge, only got released in part or in fragments. I do think it is important to note that Dave L still puts out shows that Dick L held in high regard too.

    For the current times, I think we have a much fuller vault to work with the returned Betty Reels. We have definitely seen the fruits of that return in the form of many shows being released in their entirety. However, I guess there are still some shows that are incomplete or, as the old Dick’s Picks caveat used to read, where the sound was affected by “the ravages of time”. For the 2023 DaP bonus disc, the situation is as per the email:

    “There are two shows in September 1972 for which there are not complete recordings, either because of missing reels, or because of technical issues. The 2023 subscribers' Bonus Disc features the best material that sounded great from these two shows”

    It is hard to know exactly what is and is not affected by technical issues. Then of course what material was not affected but left off the bonus disc. Knowing how great Dave L has treated us , he often finds a way to get this missing material out if he can. Maybe it will be filler on another release or it will come out in a future 30 Days of Dead (if it hasn't already).

    With all of that, I often wonder if we would ever get complete releases of those shows that were chopped-up from many years ago. That is assuming that everything is contained in the vault and of releasable sound quality. I would certainly welcome it but at the same time if we're just stuck with chopped-up shows or fragments I think I can be OK with that. For me, I know looking towards the future, I'm really hoping that the vault gets mined for the other high profile shows that haven't been given the official release. I'm not knowledgeable enough to speak on the time it takes to put all these together other than I know we get quarterly releases of the DaP series, often an anniversary edition re-release, an LP for record store day, and one big box set per year. So, I guess the question begs, is there enough time and resources for Dave L and the crew to return to some of these old shows and put them out in their entirety without sacrificing the regular schedule of releases?

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    A term for babies, 1940s military slang term.
    From obsolete mediaeval or pre-mediaeval English word "sprag",
    for a "lively young man". I like to keep up with Daverock and also with the continentals. Makes me feel smarter to speak the King's english.
    Cheers

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    Does your wife know she's 3rd on the list??
    I just had to chuckle, and yes, my wife knows she barely even MAKES the list!! Merry Christmas to All, and a Happy Hanukkah as well.

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    Hendrixfreak yes you are right about Bobby saying is there a doctor in the house at Englishtown. At Watkins Glen there was a young girl to our left about 25 feet and was ready to pop. It was raining and we saw her friends helping her to get up and leave...later we heard she gave birth. not sure if it was on the ground or in an Ambulance. and Savoy Brown I remember seeing them at the Filmore East right before Christmas with I think Poco, If I rememer Paul Cotton just replaced Jim Messina in Poco. At Penn State Poco was a big hit in all the Dorms with their music blasting out the windows. All these memories are making me feel old but Happy

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    No sprogs born at Watkins Glen ?

    You would have thought there would have been, in a crowd that size in 1973.

    Chalk me up for fragments too. You only have to look at the ones that have already come out - especially the incomplete shows in Dicks Picks and Road Trips - to see how well they can work.

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    No worries

    Here's a confession: I can't keep this forum straight! I've got 1st show and proudfoot mixed up and, hey, where did I put that pipe?

    Kim Simmonds, yeah! Flying V, A Hard Way to Go, A Step Further -- man, got into Savoy Brown in about 1970 and a couple years ago I bought a couple of their early albums on 2 LPs on one CD production. Good to have just plain hard rockin'!

    Hey Chuck, didn't Weir announce from the stage that they needed to get her out of the crowd and "is there a doctor in the house?" At the Glen I didn't hear anything about babies appearing, but I do recall the sky diver, who made a long descent, then I believe triggered a flare that burned him to death as he descended just outside the bounds of the crowd. Horrible! But 50 years on, is there a joke in there somewhere? I guess he was burning to see the Dead... I mean, that guy was smokin'....(sorry!!)

    Well, April 2023 should be pretty tasty: spring (of sorts here) and 4-5 hrs of fall '72 GD and the upside is, some tracks from my first show. Make that glass half-full, now that I'm done with the one-man pity party!

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....the best thing about driving solo, is that a can listen to whatever the hell I want to without anyone bitching.
Started with some more Oingo Boingo. Good sing along songs imo, then the Dolphins/Texans game. Go 🐬's. Then Dave's 44. Then. Then the second set of Phish @ Amsterdam 7.2.97. Whoo boy. Lucky I didn't get pulled over listening to that. Badass set. Four songs. Thirty minute classic Stash followed by Llama then the Wormtown Jam, which is a one off mashed up Steve Miller's Swingtown with Anastasio's acid trip the night before where he rode on the backs of worms 🪱 in the canals of Amsterdam after going into a portalet, then Wading In The Velvet Sea.
I think I blew out my driver's door speaker.
Apologies if that's not your jam, but like I said, it's nice to drive solo.
Edit. Seems the dogs need food. Perfect excuse for the Free, David Bowie encore y'all!
Happy belated birthday Jimi and Simonrob. Rock on my brothers.

10 30 early show oh well late start apparently
10 30 late show worth a listen
10 31 early great setlist and energetic enough
10 31 late will need to listen at another time

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VGUY, I can so relate to driving alone while listening to anything I damn well please. I could make my 8 1/2 hour drive to New Hampshire a breeze. Going all the way back to the cassette era, 4 concerts would usually get me there, but occasionally I would just play 8-12 regular albums, be it on cassette or CD.
I still mostly listen to albums start to finish. On occasion I will break that custom, but it’s unusual for me. I think that’s yet more proof of my dinosaur status. Still, I don’t care about that. Great music can make a long drive feel like a very short drive. The right 3 Phish (or Dead) shows can get you 9 hours!!
Just before crashing, I decided I needed a nightcap. The problem was, will it be the Fillmore Bonus Disc, or the Beyond Description Bonus Disc?? Can’t really lose either way.
I went with the Fillmore disc, and boy howdy, I hadn’t listened to that 30 minute Caution in years. Just exploratory in all the best ways.
For sure I will play the Beyond Description disc tomorrow. Can’t wait to crank up the 32 minute Blues Fir Allah suite. Not to mention a WRS, Estimated, and a Shakedown. Man, I feel totally blessed right now, even though my 4-day weekend is officially over.
Best wishes to all whether you’re going through ups, downs or in betweens.
As I type, the ginger cat in my Icon is furiously head butting my chin to get some attention.
He (Petey) will also enjoy this big slab of Pig.

Sorry for rambling folks, but you know……
Music is the Best!!

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They showed this documentary on T.V. at the weekend - the film that was included in the Jimi box set a few years ago-which I still haven't got round to getting. Curious film - incredible picture and sound, though very frustrating in that it was more talking than music. I guess I should buy the box for the good stuff.

I thought those hippies were a right shower, though. I can vaguely remember people like Chuck Wein in the early - mid 70's. Slightly older people who had dropped out, and who sought to enlighten those around them with gems of spiritual insight. There was a guy in Oldham like that -had the most beautiful girlfriend who very rarely spoke. I can remember telling her once that I had been to see Genesis, and that they had put on good show. She stared at me for what seemed like ages, and then whispered "We are tired of shows." I felt like a right schmuck. It was as though she had stared into the heart and soul of the universe, and could no longer tolerate artifice of any kind.

Yes - Happy Birthday Simon. Don't set your guitar on fire!

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....their new single. Six years? For that? I went in open minded and listened to it three times. I am very disappointed. Dave Mustaine was right.
Guess they will stay in fifth place.

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....don't throw away the peels. Chop them up and let them soak in cold water for a couple of hours or so. There are vitamins in the peels. Pour the water onto your plants. It will help Let Them Grow. Greatly yield.
I learned that on the internet.

The first time I heard the transtion from acoustic to full-bore electric...a special moment. Walking on as path on a sunny day with headphones...a very special moment.

Seattle Times reports Metallica will play two Seattle shows in August/September 2024.

2024.

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Checking the experience vinyl site to see what they now say about "from the vault" series. 1 has been pushed back to spring 2023,,,, the other 2 "fall" this year. Right.

I see them hawking so glad you made it, why would anyone pre order it? They're over a year on "from the vault" initial release date!

Further i saw them hawking a pre order of Dicks 33 (275 bucks!!!), 8 LP's. I checked my shelf and sure enough there's 33 already?!?! Don't remember paying 275? But it's number.

Anyone seen anything of 3/2/69 fillmore to finish that set of vinyl?

Had the 50th anniversary of Thick as a Brick show up minutes ago. Remastered release comes with the original newspaper in it's entirety. My original copy from back in the day does not! I look forward to reading it :-)

Enjoy

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The doc recently exhibited some fine sleuthing regarding identifying a date of a 1970 show. I'm surprised there has not been any discussion of the call by the Owsley Stanley Foundation to help identify a date of a June 1968 show discussed in the current almanac under the heading "Friends & Relations". Here's an excerpt:

"The Owsley Stanley Foundation found some never circulated ’68 dead featuring the earliest versions of “St. Stephen” and the first versions of “Dark Star” to crack the 10-minute mark. They’re not in the world just yet, but keep watching the skies!"

In the full story there's a l i n k. Once there, there's a call to help figure out the date of the show. Curious to hears Doc's & others thoughts on this.

Apologies if this was discussed here or elsewhere & I missed the discussion.

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Hey rockers!!

In reference to the restored Carousel 1968 recording, in this case---as in all others---I don't have an special insights or inside information. The write-up at the OSF Facebook page really says it all, in great depth. It seems like it's early June. In any case, it looks awesome!! And hopefully will be officially released some time soon!

I thought for a moment that the recently (November 1, 2022) circulated remaster of the June 8/9 show(s) might be the show mentioned by OSF, but the setlists are vastly different. What currently circulates for June 8/9 is: Excerpt #1: //St. Stephen [tape speed variable at the start] > That's It For The Other One > Turn On Your Lovelight//; Excerpt #2: //Morning Dew//-//Hurts Me Too//-Dark Star-St. Stephen >Turn On Your Lovelight//. This June 8/9 remaster is really excellent sound quality. Thanks very much to the folks that made that possible. Anybody who needs/wants, you know where to find me.

Based on what OSF has released so far---all of which are excellent---it appears they have an emphasis on non-Dead releases. Which means maybe they will leave the Dead stuff to the Dead organization itself. My guess is, that being the case, don't expect a flood of releases, probably more like a trickle........

Time moves in one direction, memory in another...........

Rock on,

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Time and memory are true artists; they remould reality nearer to the heart's desire.....

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I have been away awhile. Seems like the usual suspects here. I haven't just been away from the site but away from the Dead. I finally listened to Dave's 41, 42, and 43, on a long drive which is what inspired me to mention it here. As someone who only in the last few years began to understand the Dead, I have to say, going from May 1977 to Feb 1974 to Nov/Dec 1969, it is like literally listening to three different bands, four if you include the acoustic music. All great performances. I sometimes hear people comment that they don't need any more 1977. I only have a couple of 77 shows so this one sounds great to me. The 1969 material is my pick of the bunch. I would give just about anything to go back in time and see Pigpen in his prime. And on first listen I thought the Feb 22, 1974 show was not nearly as good as what I will call its "counterpart" Feb 24, 1974, Dave's 13.

Now I just need to get caught up on a few months of posts. Everyone take it easy.

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Dennis, if you're not familiar with small local British newspapers from that time I'm not sure you'll get the joke..

....is an incredible movie. I feel honored Butch. What can I say? I love the cinema.
Just finished watching Avatar. Prepping for part two, thirteen years later.
Yall know, The Tull put out a record last year I hope.

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Hey now! It's likely been mentioned in these comments, but please consider donating to Archive.org and the Rex Foundation on this Giving Tuesday.

Be kind, rewind . . .

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Butch-going beyond May, 11/6/77 - Daves 25, is worth squeezing in. Great versions of Dire Wolf and Music Never Stopped. Having said that - I'm listening to it now, and they seem to be having a bit of a nap after singing the verses of Scarlet Begonias.
Not sure about those two skeletons leaning against a tree to advertise 30 Days of the Dead. I suppose that's the brand - and it's better than teddy bears - but..... why have a brand at all ? Surely The Dead were originally opposed to all that kind of thing.

I never got the joke when I first saw it, I must admit. I never owned up to this when it was first pointed out to me of course. "Aqualung" was the one I liked most by Jethro Tull - spitting out pieces of his broken luck. Some of it's barely quotable in todays world. It was along way from Buddy Holly, that's for sure.

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I leave in a bit to do a quick turnaround run to Zion National Park in an hour or so...I was asked by some folks yesterday if I could drop them off and I said $ure...so on the way back home (5 hours) I can test my new car audio system!!!! I love that my new deck plays Hi Res files on a flash drive...I have numerous drives filled so away we go!!! Friday I head to Vegas for the Pac 12 Championship, USC (Fight On) vs Utah at Allegiant Stadium...game's at 5:00 PM so I'll drive home afterwards (4 hours) ...thought about staying overnite but room co$t$ were ridiculous...$400 for Motel 6? I think not!!!

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Motel 6, not so much.

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At the Fillmore 1997 looks good.
4 CD deluxe set seems very affordable.
Anyone got this yet?
Cheers

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where else can you pay 50 cents for a key to turn the tv on!

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I think it was Nitecat that asked for any info about 31 Days of Dead 2022. In any case, I just got an email from Ed Martin, and looks like he's gonna do it again this year:

Hello my friends!!! It's that time of the year again. I’m very excited to bring you another installment of the 31 Days of Dead. Most of you know the drill, but for those who don't here is some background...

Similar to what dead.net does in November, I pick a live track (or tracks) for download each day in December and do a quick write-up. Unlike the “Official 30 Days of Dead,” there is no contest here. Instead, the prize is the music and the winner is the listener.

I started these annual projects in 2010. I had no idea where this would go, nor did I care. I did it for no reason other than my own personal enjoyment - I still do. To my surprise, what started as daily email blasts to a small group of friends has grown to an Instagram account that has over 35k followers. I am grateful to every single one of you for the love you have shown. Follow me on Instagram at @31daysofdead

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These 2 shows from 1977 for the next Daves Pick from Portland Oregon look fantastic!

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Just so happens that's the title of my first ever horror novel, "Jim & Motel 666." I just sent it off to the publisher last night.

This place is amazing, everybody is so incredibly plugged in to everything important going on in the universe. This shit seems to happen on a daily basis.

Thanks folks!

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I heard his Live Anthology set from 10 years ago, and the band is outstanding live. This Fillmore set looks like a bunch of covers. I think some of them may be the same renditions as Live Anthology. Personally I think this band is so good live they could sing the ABCs and it would sound good. Go to YouTube and check out Gloria. That makes me want to go by this set. There's a rap in there I would swear is a tribute to Pigpen.

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My posts seem to be turning into obituary notices but I have to say
RIP Christine McVie

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Wow. I was never a big Fleetwood Mac fan, but I always liked her and felt she was very underrated. Think of me what you will, but I love Songbird.

Yes. Please donate to the archive. Before year end if possible as all donations are being matched.

You also have an option to pay in cryptocurrency for those of you who still may own that stuff. I decided to pay with actual money.

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Not Christine Perfect. Dang.
My favorite in FMac.
Not just Songbird, Morning Rain, Show Me a Smile, Homeward Bound, Spare Me a Little of Your Love, The Way I Feel, Why, Don't Stop (thinking about tomorrow), You Make Loving Fun, Oh Daddy, and backing vocals on Kiln House. Oh, and anything she wrote after Rumours, which is the last one I own. A great talent. She lived a simple life after her touring years. Raise a toast to Christine.
Cheers

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Christine passes and Petty's estate puts out a must-have box. (Four-CD box pre-ordered without hesitation.)

And all I was gonna post is that -- having mentioned my trajectory -- HF lives another day. Home from the hospital after cardiac ablation. Knocked me on the arse, it did. Had to stay overnight and was glad I wasn't home alone last night. Next 90 days will tell if it worked. Like all such surgeries, if I knew how rough it would be, I mighta thought twice. It's all right -- back home and picking on the Martin D-35 to distract from the aching in my chest, said to be expected.

Both Christine and Petty went too soon, especially the latter, at 66, from fatal toying with fentanyl. I got a story about my own flirting with that stuff, but perhaps too gory for the forum.

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To HF!
Keep on truckin'.
Cheers

Jeezum crow. Firstly, my best wishes that this episode gets in the rear view fast. As someone post 70 with a host of situations, have some sense of unexpected and unwanted hospital visits... basically they suck. I kid myself with what Daltrey sang 57 some years ago, "... before I get old". And then shite happens as it does and will for all of us and it turns into, gee, if I knew I was going to live this long, I would have... We make it this far, we have all lost dear friends and family. So, dug out the old photos, concerts apprehended in the early 70s, my first Dead, BB King, Tom Waits, Dylan with The Band, John McLaughlin, Roy Buchanan, ELP, even a fourteen year old Tanya Tucker (for your ticker) right after she hit with Delta Dawn. Perhaps best of all, photos from Watkins Glen, there's this guy near the stage just left of center, who looks like you, only a little younger. Jeezum crow.

....I wanna say around 1991.
It was a really good show. Mick had a drum jacket on.
Godspeed Christie. I always thought you had a better voice than Stevie.
Pray for John. I know he's devastated.
I went through most of their catalog in 2020.
I'm listening to Mirage. Turns out they have songs called Eyes Of The World and Wish You Were Here on the deluxe version. How about that!
Google Jerry Garcia Christine McVie.
Or check out my avatar.
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HF - good luck. Hopefully you will be up and rocking again in the New Year.

I never really heard Fleetwood Mac, apart from their singles. In fact I don't think I have ever heard one of their albums. But best wishes to all connected, however distantly, and I hope Christine McVie rests in peace.

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Check her out pre-Fleetwood Mac, she was with Chicken Shack, an excellent R&B band.

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I had a look at the Tom Petty box set. So far, I’ve resisted temptation but probably not for long. Unfortunately, while looking at it I noticed an 8 CD box set ‘Bert Jansch at the BBC’ and a 6 CD box by Plainsong and a book ‘In Search of Plainsong’ and I couldn’t resist them even though I have several versions of the Plainsong albums I just need the extras.

Joining a few strands together Andy Roberts, the guitarist in Plainsong, was earlier in The Liverpool Scene and they had a track called ‘ I’ve got the Fleetwood Mac, Chicken Shack, John Mayall can’t fail blues’. I loved Chicken Shack and The Liverpool Scene.

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I haven't heard much by them either, but from what I have heard, I think they would be more my cup of tea than the Fleetwood Mac of the 70s. Stan Webb on guitar has a great reputation.

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in Denver. Follow up:
Rky. Mtn. Public Radio has hired a new GM that goes way back in the scene and started KHIH jazz radio BITD. So hopefully with some of the staff kept on in key positions we can get back to reality and not Kenny G (no offence Kenny, I love hearing you in elevators). The GM is also the first black woman to GM a radio station in Colorado. At least we are going in the right direction.
Cheers

I had to read up on what you had done. Not fun, not one bit of fun.

Heal up man.. hopefully it's one of those things that needed to get done so you can resume your 'normal' life of fear and loathing in CO.

On the bright side, your radio options just improved.

May the four winds cover your deductible.

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And I use that term loosely (where's Oro when I need him to take a swipe at me??). Feeling WAY better today, so I thank all you kind hearted souls for support. I'm tempted to think it was the anaesthesia that threw me, I was "on the slab" for 2 1/2 freakin' hours -- thankfully not the good ForensicDoc slab...

So, the sun's out, I'm in a chair with guitar and I got nothin' to bitch about. And to all facing challenges -- the known knowns and the unknown knowns -- my complete empathy.

DMCVT: at Watkins Glen I was wearing a bright red shirt with tiny white polka dots. Shoulder-length blond hair, but cannot remember if I had it in a 'tail' or not. I still have two pics of the boys from the Saturday show as they played PitB (used to have four shots) that showed them moving together into a tight circle as they jammed it out. That summer '73 material would be really fun to hear after all these years. I've had some sub-par copies that I can't get into. I think pristine sound quality would be wonderful.

Okay, I'm silently 'yelling' MORE '68!! The doc told me to stay quiet for a few.... good luck with that!

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Get well soon, HendrixFreak!

R.I.P., Christine. You were a class act and a great musician and songwriter.

Anyone watching the World Cup? I'm addicted to it . . .

Be kind, rewind . . .

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Get well soon HF - sending you healing vibes

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Call me color blind. Alas, HF, my Watkins Glen photos were taken with b&w film. Faster, better for low light. Will review with rose colored glasses. Love the sound of those old Martins. Will go see neighbor and 84 year old veteran musicologist Jim Rooney play his in a couple weeks, if it don't snow too hard.

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Vibes much appreciated, trust me.

Hey, I ordered the new Petty 4-CD box Monday, it just landed. It is a model of minimal packaging while still being a fun package. I know that Dave & Co. love to work up each year's box and I have no complaints, I have argued that the effort on the packaging lends dignity to the music release. But environmentally I wonder whether a new more minimalist approach would be welcomed on GD boxes.

Just a thought... Hitting the couch now. Many thanks for the support.

DMCVT: look for a gray-ish shirt with tiny white dots! Gawd, that was an experience, especially at my age back then.

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